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hermit 發表於 2004-7-17 09:51 AM

[quote][quotefrom="科"]

奧尼爾獨唔獨食呢個問題我真係無諗過,
可能因為奧尼爾既"獨食得分"效率高d掛~[/quote]

haha..good pt...

Shaq FG% are better than Kobe lor...becoz nobody can defense him efficiency.......he nearly made every score when he had a good position in lowpost.

how abt Kobe.....
Kobe's scoring decision is not good at all.....
he still shoot the ball when there is a double team or triple team on him.......nobody will blame him if he made it....but....

there are lots of kobe stopper....
but is there any shaq stopper?
never heard that......there is only1 can guard Shaq better...he is D.Rodman.

everytime Shaq get the ball.....he will pass if he cant get a deep position in the lowpost.........but kobe......
there is no passing in his mind..........

don misunderstanding he is a good shooter although he made many winning shot
if he made it, he is game winner.
otherwise it just a miss shot.

甘國武 發表於 2004-7-17 11:30 AM

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hermit 發表於 2004-7-17 11:55 AM

咁你有無唸過O'neal係對Pistons果時,入咁多球又咁準,點解仲係輸?

As u also said Shaq can make the shot la...
becoz kobe always took the shoot but didnt in lor.......
so simple
u can compare their FGA...Kobe is more than shaq a lot

咪因為O'neal下下自己上唔交波,令Lakers成隊好唔流動,Pistons咪好易守死其他球員o羅!~Pistons對O'neal都比較上放任

becoz of 2reasons..
1 - nobody can defense Shaq
2 - stop the others 4players are easier. u miss sth too...the piston players ar stopping the passing to shaq too....

Anonymous 發表於 2004-7-17 12:14 PM

我覺得對 pistons
下下唔交波係 kobe
俾 3 條友圍住都係照剷照射
Oneal 係內線唔交波正常...
命中率咁高 唔通又掉返去出面俾 KOBE 又扭
咁樣唔係唔獨食
不過獨食入到波有乜所謂?隊隊最終目的都係贏波
有冇見過 Carter 淨係對住個籃個時唔入樽
帶出外圍射 3 分~
梗係會做命中率高 d 個個動作~即係入樽先啦
你唔通見 carter 單刀入樽就話佢獨食唔交波咩
oneal 都一樣
俾人圍住命中率一樣奇高
好過俾 kobe 拎住個波 3 條友圍住走去射波好 d 掛

甘國武 發表於 2004-7-20 07:58 PM

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alexinzaghi 發表於 2004-7-21 07:12 PM

MJ 以前平均起手次數不會比O'NEAL , KOBE少...佢個D SHOOTING CHOICE好多都係FADE AWAY, 強行LAY-UP...BUT 佢可以令成為6次終冠軍,所以無人X佢.
我覺得ONEAL AND KOBE 都係聯盟裡既一線球星,起手次數多是必然, 你DUNCAN咪又係咁係12-3尺到儸板屈機....你要睇TEAMPLAY,唔該你捧KINGS/PISTON
FAIR D.....IF U R PHIL JACK...WOULD U CHOOSE LET KOBE/SHAQ SHOOT OR LET UNFIT PAYTON / INJURIED MALONE/ GEORGE SHOOT AH? SO THIS IS TACTICS PROBLEM...NOT THE PLAYER PROBLEM

alexinzaghi 發表於 2004-7-21 07:14 PM

MOREOVER, THE REAL PROBLEM FOR LAKER TO FAIL IN TAKING CHAMPION IS PISTON DEFENSE TOO STRONG, BUT NOT LAKER ATTACK NOT GOOD

kakueeken 發表於 2004-7-22 03:20 PM

朱主編的答案似乎混淆了領軍能力及獨食。
作為球隊領袖, o'neal 0既領軍能力尚要改善; 作為一名入分球員, 我不認同 o'neal 屬於獨食一類。再說,"球老送到裡面" 大概不是 o'neal 的問題。

大家不要太集中討論對pistons一役, 就 o'neal 的整個球員生涯中, o'neal 不但不算獨食, 我甚至覺得他有不錯的傳球意識及能力。 即使在跟一些90年代的天皇中鋒比較, 我覺得他的傳球明顯比ewing & mourning 好,比起 robinson 甚至olajuwon 也不會遜色太多。而即使跟現時的低位球員比較, o'neal 在低位策應的能力, 甚至勝過2位21號大前鋒duncan & KG。

事實上, 不論是magic年代的 anderson & scott, lakers 三冠王年代的fox, horry, fisher, o'neal 的隊友均受惠於巨無霸, 獲得大量的3分機會, 可見o'neal 並非只會自幹。反而大家比較一下 magic 年代的penny 跟 kobe(雖然2人的位置不同), 就會明白別人批評kobe獨食, 不是沒有原因的。

kakueeken 發表於 2004-7-22 03:40 PM

或許對kobe的球迷來說, o'neal 已是過去式,
新來的 divac & odom一定不是獨食, divac 更肯定是現時傳球最好的中鋒。kobe 將會有很多機會來證明自己的能力。

hermit 發表於 2004-7-22 09:53 PM

[quote][quotefrom="alexinzaghi"]MOREOVER, THE REAL PROBLEM FOR LAKER TO FAIL IN TAKING CHAMPION IS PISTON DEFENSE TOO STRONG, BUT NOT LAKER ATTACK NOT GOOD[/quote]

ei...
only defense good?
there were no teamwork for Lakers in the finals lor........

hermit 發表於 2004-7-22 09:55 PM

[quote][quotefrom="kakueeken"]或許對kobe的球迷來說, o'neal 已是過去式,
新來的 divac & odom一定不是獨食, divac 更肯定是現時傳球最好的中鋒。kobe 將會有很多機會來證明自己的能力。[/quote]

i think Kobe will keep the ball more.......
Coach RubyT cannot control Kobe ga la....

fung0109 發表於 2004-7-25 12:51 PM

但係而家湖人差咁個高佬..同埋..後備力量都唔係好掂..

wai214 發表於 2004-7-25 08:47 PM

[quote][quotefrom="jonaleung"][quote][quotefrom="科"]我覺得.....O'Neal同kobe既關係應該係"互利共生"
kobe can't win the champion without Shaq,Shaq can't win the champion without kobe too

不過kobe has no teamwork 的確係事賓............[/quote]

Either both of them couldn't win without Phil Jackson[/quote]



That is so true!!!

wai214 發表於 2004-7-25 08:50 PM

[quote][quotefrom="甘國武"][quote][quotefrom="kakueeken"]奧尼爾0既打法係以籃低爆籃 (或者係屈機)為主, 是命中率好高(over 50%)0既打法。點可以叫獨食ah? o'neal 係籃低可以law 到波, 就算他已經起左手100次都要繼續交俾他ah。[/quote]
據我的認知,只要隊友有更好的機會,還不傳球、還是自幹,就叫獨了!~
(你言論令我想起一句笑話:
MJ告訴我們,獨的時候,只要球進了,就不叫獨~~)[/quote]


of coz, as long as you can carry the team, nobody will critize you...
MJ game is also a one man team, only because pippen willing to sacrify, therefore bulls is so good in the 90's.

wai214 發表於 2004-7-25 08:51 PM

[quote][quotefrom="kakueeken"][quote][quotefrom="甘國武"][quote][quotefrom="kakueeken"]
kobe o既言行可能唔夠大體,但係成日比話靠o'neal贏冠軍,完全抹殺曬佢o既貢獻,令佢急需要證明自己.所以佢先話想效力一支能證明自己的球隊,換句話即是說lakers如果可存o'neal,就不入kobe考慮之列,kobe倒沒說過"有佢無我"啊!~
你話kobe同o'neal、教練關係差,點解又唔話係o'neal同kobe、總經理關係差?所以問題不是單方面的~[/quote]

你說的對, 問題不是單方面,
我係應該話埋o'neal同kobe、總經理關係差, 其實 ok 組合都應該改善下自己0既言行, 有時真係唔夠大體。我唔係lakers fans ,不過見到湖人王朝亡於人事問題, 有d可惜。[/quote]

the end of bulls dynasty is also because of the management problem

wai214 發表於 2004-7-25 08:58 PM

[quote][quotefrom="alexinzaghi"]MOREOVER, THE REAL PROBLEM FOR LAKER TO FAIL IN TAKING CHAMPION IS PISTON DEFENSE TOO STRONG, BUT NOT LAKER ATTACK NOT GOOD[/quote]

I think the main problems are lakers is too fcuking overconfident...and they have no heart to play a game,

hermit 發表於 2004-7-27 10:05 AM

[quote][quotefrom="wai214"][quote][quotefrom="甘國武"][quote][quotefrom="kakueeken"]奧尼爾0既打法係以籃低爆籃 (或者係屈機)為主, 是命中率好高(over 50%)0既打法。點可以叫獨食ah? o'neal 係籃低可以law 到波, 就算他已經起左手100次都要繼續交俾他ah。[/quote]
據我的認知,只要隊友有更好的機會,還不傳球、還是自幹,就叫獨了!~
(你言論令我想起一句笑話:
MJ告訴我們,獨的時候,只要球進了,就不叫獨~~)[/quote]


of coz, as long as you can carry the team, nobody will critize you...
MJ game is also a one man team, only because pippen willing to sacrify, therefore bulls is so good in the 90's.[/quote]

not really a one man team la..
every bulls players are willing to support MJ and sacrify...
they understand their roles on the court...

but v cant c that in the Lakers...

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