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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.:Rj$b r"s)js
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote].|7}-X` u_T

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'ZWV[6^| 智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]#D*~5m+\;{2c2R

]+Ungu\Q#X Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:-B,L%Id^1k i,Y2f
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
w A)f2_4q'aic2O9h` yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:"?B(@
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mo*Uvt:WT 陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]
)GK#hp| Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
||K2E @p why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........Zc!V6r9E'?/@r]@,r
佢勁係勁在治國能力............X;@Z ZS4\1F#TL
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係咪如此?

benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
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CI$i QdZ 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
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|8N/u;g'p-U4f"@ 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
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0XWY@Gvd 我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
-`D&PN^Vh8@ 唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........-XHi2I#W*U

,xG9jY(MYsc 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~m3j;_ f;k5j
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~4gax}1W-C'c
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
qFu-ty5] KN XP@1_ 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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e}7~'vx.Q8Q7t 係咪如此? [/quote]
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:6LrBtuy)E2`J
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
-d_u0} O,FB+Q#L&z 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?

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|fSJ6P'\4I 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?'E0T#l4Yx&}*pf4J
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相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
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3@R9qv[ 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......8j3pDKB-ya z%zq
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......iC |3b6f:xp r
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
l*t`^j"aQ~6W4e 諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!5h#Ym"ts"G(\

6Qx'j"Z+~i 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的GCA Jf'b+i;L|
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P

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