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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42: a9PDZ$qxQ
but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by 諸葛亮. He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote]
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him. 姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of 諸葛亮. t6T M1~#~,u u
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]
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Agree. Both of them were extremely loyalty. However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation. He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:EXK j0n+c
他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
yes, that's the point.:)
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:wN9c)N L3C
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]!r%Gvi$Q.D,~/E
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁......... C&Kpv z
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:(i4I's pS"vs6d
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...DE4Jaj mj h
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]$_.h'T5S} E.u
我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........
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不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此? [/quote]
歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也'[W1{a _{
沒有佔下風:)
[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:zO(h%cc\4i S
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁? v+Y-s3Eg
諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P