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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:I%Ofv`Z3W#D6au.d
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]iu#S^9r5O@J.hP

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.Mj1q8|1vt2aG

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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UE Jd2J 智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->7}mP6e%wQm2KT

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.^h@z&Lt?
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:'T#Zc^:j&|N

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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T0`}$X)D4d 他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]`*dD+Guv`*W
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:&RZ"w"se ke}4S
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@Bi Z2N 陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]{
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Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:(p3X{4R|)e

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]!U3]Cn+j
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why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
I MIL{5~-G9c4^j 佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此?

benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:,bY r__Z(G
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........*Y-[;~C7g GU*v
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...NF6E\B\3~&di
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
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唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........jh _){O;Unz
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三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
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佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此? [/quote]
yN)NrAx 歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:/PxL3y1[q(e+W4V
呢個網係講有關三國正史~"{^6fN"n6X,}
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
6X |4jI(mC'W{ 阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?
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5\Cx`*A$N 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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_I[mk\ 相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
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聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
,ra;E NmD![x 司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
ta8cZ+k.w8Z&^9j"R)x 陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
3F(d)n1VTAG:t 諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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