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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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M? vn K0tP;lx;? But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.(s7n:M2j^0hYF G d
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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hv)stI}D;n:H!` 其實他們實力差不多,很難比較:o [/quote]
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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.RwA_2PQ
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]q$?H;eE-S-z%p
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:Y:?YnE#X~$Z

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他支撐了蜀國三十年,雖然孔明也有27年(207-234),但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多,五虎已屈機 [/quote]P8g}5Mp
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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!\^Pc q2F;F6T 陸遜也偉大,但不得善終...... [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:JX\ J[$hc
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
W d ke }0pR/? 佢勁係勁在治國能力............8[3g:Ob/cEXo
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係咪如此?

benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
;R&N&[ _f 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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"WC s8N$h2|d 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
|0L2x/{L(cT5vqy"T{ 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]}q P0F{P
我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
_*g2i^Be0e0@b 唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
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e^0r/kLw 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM: yv/gW? t~zv+hn
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
e[tpj;I 佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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`A}Z2_p/t'EH+v:X 係咪如此? [/quote]l a\~O)NkP ]!Zk
歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:(Rf1k3~n5Jd
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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[url]http://k-fung.net/han/real.htm[/url] [/quote]*\OuSa,|2p(qc
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

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阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?ad Fe#nx

C)~6A0G;LtB 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
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w-I8U,[ aW4b 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......_&ge2t s
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋...... {6E1u\y i&l"T I2b
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......(|H%} zLj2?"d
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!X$vi/O Rz7E

U.F'k9G-n 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的UQ,e?gE%J;r2{
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