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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:h N'a-P~L

(cU7E D)y)X but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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6L"i;j+M h#tZW 其實他們實力差不多,很難比較:o [/quote]r/L3Z)KW:o

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[(~I}}3Z ujm 智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打:姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮. M0h;y] Jad(}

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:e$e-}NKU([~"V

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年,雖然孔明也有27年(207-234),但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多,五虎已屈機 [/quote]
8j,V$LAK6z*b&W yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大,但不得善終...... [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
J/~czn6D 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]^%@ZZ{w_9x,I1f
我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
%FhG-E4b&W 唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
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三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
m-K(CkVq9h2L+l 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~:@R J}*wYb|3D
[url]http://k-fung.net/han/real.htm[/url]

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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
u"EG8GZ 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........i-hE;U;v
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S6m I8x1]"R@j+[(M 係咪如此? [/quote]U sNw+Y;H7?
歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也8]&M(IYHzr%T9?
沒有佔下風:)

發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
?s_z5jp 呢個網係講有關三國正史~
#HUZG6U+T 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~IL4n#y(i)h
[url]http://k-fung.net/han/real.htm[/url] [/quote]
+h,~FXL"}Z3R 正史中張松只有110cm?:oiD sd)F$E8JY
侏儒?

step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

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阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?
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6t2F9bZ/i 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂 |a)K0IRE3} S_
聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......FST dT~ S5ZS
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
l#W/x+]a+?5R 陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......%[@@]LBl0v g
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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