英超第10周兩大爛球證
曼聯失落晏菲路, 費爵爺怪責球證唔比12碼曼聯, 無趕加歷查出場同判維迪過嚴,輸波賴地硬, 發惡鬧球證係佢既癲狗例牌菜, 但客觀地講, 球證marriner實在無唔趕加歷查出場既道理....[b]owen果球明顯已經過左, 形成1on1單刀機會, 但加歷查將佢拉趺, marriner只比一面黃牌實在難以解釋,[/b]
[b]我估球例未必有寫明一定要紅牌, 但我唔相信佢執法咁耐, 呢種犯規無出過紅牌, 明顯地當日佢係相重標準....:nogood:[/b]
周日阿仙奴一場果位球證foy就更加荒謬, 柏加係禁區明顯地比加拿斯踢趺, 佢竟然視若無睹,
相反地阿仙受song果球根本唔足似判一個12碼,[b] 講波既榮基亦話好多球證鐘意咁樣"補數",[/b]
[b][color=#0000FF]但小弟絕對唔同意此舉, 皆因吹錯左就係吹錯左, 無可能不斷再吹錯去扭曲補數, [/color][/b]
[b][color=#0000FF]就算最後"補數"補出一個合理戰果, 但到頭黎將會得出更多錯判...[/color]:nogood:[/b]
最精彩莫過於last幾分鐘, 兩黃一紅趕柏加出場, 果球完全係無厘頭, 咁都可以黃牌大概唔可以再有身體接觸...
阿foy兄一時吹錯益阿仙奴, 又再吹錯益番韋斯咸, 之後又再益阿仙奴, 完全係唔可以用常理去解釋...
[b][color=#FF0000]唯有以賭波宗教角度, 球證係吹錯再打手號比人, 為既係走地盤既大業去睇呢件事,[color=#444444]:dev:[/color][/color][/b]
如果唔係, 實在難解釋佢因何吹到如此爛.... 只係冰山一角,
有d賽事仲試過唔入判入,入判唔入.
英超同英冠都試過. [i=s] 本帖最後由 brightlee 於 2009-10-31 12:58 PM 編輯 [/i]
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I am expected someone talked about it since MOnday... I am wondering no one talk about it until now!
That's NO RED CARD for Michael Owen incidnets
There are 7 codes for sending off (Red Cards), in that situation, there maybe 2 codes to apply this "Red card" incident,
1) Serious Foul of play
2) Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties
Normally, referee would be charged the higher codes for any cards, i.e. Violent Conduct is higher than Serious Foul of play, then Serious foul of play is higher than Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties, Denying obvious goal scoring opportunties is higher than 2 bookings of the game.
Let's think J. Carragher fouled Michael Owen,
J. Carragher was not doing serious foul of play, for example, rugby tackle, or elbowing. So that's why referee couldn't count for serious foul of play, Jamie action should be counted at reckless challenge, yellow card.
2nd question, there maybe a chance Michael Owen can have obvious goal scoring opportunties... so referee could send off Jamie Carragher (as I described before, referee would take HIGHER code if a player was occured 2 fouls in 1 action.) However, Michael wasn't facing toward goal, that's why referee, Andre Marriner was doing decision. He couldn't send off Jamie for his foul conduct and book Jamie for his careless, reckless challenge.
I think Andre Marriner did a fair game for both sides and he never did any bias to any sides, otherwise Vidic nor Mascherano couldn't need to send off in their 2nd bookings of the game. I can tell you some referees may not book Mascherano when he was charging Edwin Van Der Saar in last mins of the game.
I didn't watch the game between Arsenal and West Ham Utd, I got no comment about the referee of that game, Chris Foy I think Graham Poll could explain those situation really well... that's from dailymail
Graham Poll's Official Line: Sorry, Sir Alex, you're wrong - Uniteddefender Vidic rightly saw red and Liverpool captain Carra on Owen wasjust yellow[align=left]
Read more: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1222963/Graham-Polls-Official-Line-Sorry-Sir-Alex-youre-wrong.html#ixzz0VTkcj7LX]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1222963/Graham-Polls-Official-Line-Sorry-Sir-Alex-youre-wrong.html#ixzz0VTkcj7LX[/url]
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Another big game; another referee under siege.
Let’s dealwith the decisions first. It is frustrating for referees to get thingsright, then be criticised by observers who are ignorant of the laws.For a player to be dismissed for denying a scoring opportunity, theplayer fouled must be heading towards the goal, not just the goal line.
[img=468,286]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/25/article-0-06F5BC9C000005DC-679_468x286.jpg[/img]Right decision: Carragher was correctly cautioned for his foul on Owen (left)
[img=306,423]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/25/article-0-06F56496000005DC-680_306x423.jpg[/img]Good job: Andre Marriner got the big calls right
So when [url=http://explore.dailymail.co.uk/people/owen_michael]Michael Owen[/url] was pulled down by [url=http://explore.dailymail.co.uk/people/carragher_jamie]Jamie Carragher[/url] in the 87thminute, Andre Marriner had an easy, routine decision: a direct freekick and a yellow card. It could not be a red card, whatever Sir AlexFerguson and TV experts assert.
Marriner was also correct to dismiss Nemanja Vidic in stoppage time for his
secondyellow card, after he deliberately blocked Dirk Kuyt on the halfwayline — again not the denial of a scoring opportunity, but a cautionableoffence.
Carragher’s challenge on Michael Carrick was good.His momentum took him through the midfielder, but he came in from theside and got the ball.
Sir Alex suggested Marriner’sinexperience might have been a factor. It was his first top-four clash,but he is an international referee ranked fifth in England with morethan 60 games in six Premier League seasons. 英超球證既水準真係下降得好嚴重 [b] [url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3317276&ptid=210962]5#[/url] [i]艾官[/i] [/b]
無下降到!!!!
這是正確的吹法!!! 阿仙奴呢場波我有睇,桑治果球毫無犯錯下莫名其妙俾判12碼,雖然話之前一球應判冇判,都冇理由"補數",球證咁判法即係一錯再錯,犯兩次嚴重既錯誤。之後柏加只係跌低掂到波,又判黃牌,兩黃一紅趕人出場,睇見柏加一路出場一路口upup就知佢幾唔忿氣。如果之前利物浦果個沙灘波球證要罰落乙組,呢場球證更加要一視同仁,唔可以就咁算數。 referee should increase their quality Bright,
Seemed Lee Mason, ref from Fulham's match in week 11, disagreed to what Graham Poll said....He sent Carragher off with the 99% similar foul~~~
and Philip Degen's foul was not a striaght red material...he did a late tackle, but it was not that serious to be sent off~~~
This week's ref quality is in hot topic again....Jamie Carragher's sent off incident, Fulham's forward Zamora was actually offside, however, the side ref didnt notice that at all...Similiar case in Man Utd vS Blackburn, Blackburn got one goal wrongly disallowed at 90th minute...Kalinic was not offside at all...Evra cancelled the offside~~~
LIke if FA wants to shut SAF's mouth completely, please make the ref become professional or re-write the whole training program~~~only penalising for misconduct wont help!!!! [quote] 5# 艾官
無下降到!!!!
這是正確的吹法!!!
[size=2][url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3317278&ptid=210962][color=#999999]brightlee 發表於 2009-10-31 02:51 PM[/color][/url][/size][/quote]
嗯嗯~有道理~!:good: [i=s] 本帖最後由 brightlee 於 2009-11-1 08:21 AM 編輯 [/i]
[quote]Bright,
Seemed Lee Mason, ref from Fulham's match in week 11, disagreed to what Graham Poll said....He sent Carragher off with the 99% similar foul~~~
and Philip Degen's foul was not a striaght red ...
[size=2][url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3317647&ptid=210962][color=#999999]arthur8088 發表於 2009-11-1 06:10 AM[/color][/url][/size][/quote]
Let me try to find any chance to see this match :)
You know iinet couldn't give this match for reply ..... [quote]Bright,
Seemed Lee Mason, ref from Fulham's match in week 11, disagreed to what Graham Poll said....He sent Carragher off with the 99% similar foul~~~
and Philip Degen's foul was not a striaght red ...
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Finally I saw both incidents, I couldn't see 100% for different angles for Degen's foul so I couldn't have conclusion for that Red card incident
however, I think referee Lee Mason was right that he should sent off Carragher when he fouled Bobby Zamora.
If you could remember what I said in previous post,
the major different between both incidents, Michael Owen wasn't running towards goal, but Bobby Zamora was running toward goal. That's why referee Lee Mason got no option to send off Jamie Carragher due to: "denying obvious goal scoring opportunties" [b] [url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3317647&ptid=210962]9#[/url] [i]arthur8088[/i] [/b]
哈哈, 我回得太慢又懶睇英文, 我正想係星期6加歷查紅牌之後差能廚 bright, 比你快左一步!! [b] [url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3319440&ptid=210962]12#[/url] [i]brightlee[/i] [/b]
你一定有解釋去撐球證, 基本上次次你好少會話球證錯, 可能係你都係一份子既原故....:dev:
老實講我作為紅魔fans, 聽完你講都係有d唔順氣, 但我唔識你識, 只可尊重你地既專業...
我只能夠講, 食飽飯唔做野既FIFA, 實在留下太多灰色地帶, 包括越位, 龍門界線, 單刀被從後攔截等, 比人去衝擊球證既執法...:giveup:
BTW, 你有無睇番foy吹韋斯咸果場波? 上星期佢又出事, 攪錯左曼聯既拉菲爾係法比奧....:dev: [b] [url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3320543&ptid=210962]14#[/url] [i]filter-052fans[/i] [/b]
please forgive the wrong yellow card incident...they just look 99% the same~~~especially for awhite ppl look at other skin colour person~~~:dev: :dev: Bright, any comments about the ref on Chelsea Vs Man utd game???:dev::dev:...The EPL ref has been on hot water about their decisions...
like i'm not talking about the offside decision in Terry's goal or Ronney's disallowed one, that's not the ref job, it's the lineman job, although lineman was controversial as well~~~
SAF was complaining about the ref standing in a ridiculous position where he had no chance to the whole incident at all...from a registered ref point of view, do you agree? like from the instruction guide line, is there any suggestion for it?
and for the Evan's Karate kick, that's a striaght red material, wasnt it..? [quote]Bright, any comments about the ref on Chelsea Vs Man utd game???:dev::dev:...The EPL ref has been on hot water about their decisions...
like i'm not talking about the offside decision in Terry's goal ...
[size=2][url=http://www.26fun.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=3323361&ptid=210962][color=#999999]arthur8088 發表於 2009-11-9 10:35 PM[/color][/url][/size][/quote]
I have watched about 40 mins only,
so far Mr Martin Atkinson was doing ok up to that moment.
I hope I will watch whole game on Thursday night and give you comment
I head Mr Atkinson didn't do proper job... I will watch it carefully :) [quote] 12# brightlee
你一定有解釋去撐球證, 基本上次次你好少會話球證錯, 可能係你都係一份子既原故....:dev:
老實講我作為紅魔fans, 聽完你講都係有d唔順氣, 但我唔識你識, 只可尊重你地既專業...
我只能夠講, 食飽 ...
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Something if that's right, that's right.. if that's wrong, there must be wrong.
I didn't think Mr Mark Clattenburg was doing great job when Arsenal vs Tottenham.. he should show at least a yellow card to David Benalty in those incidents.
Yes, Chris Foy was making an honest mistake.. Man Utd did it right to appeal that yellow card and FA "tranfers" that yellow card to the right person Finally I watched the whole game.
1) Yes, referee was in bad angle for Drogba vs Evans, that's why he gave a yellow card to Drogba for "player acting" instead of sending off Johnny Evans "Violent conduct". (He must regret for his decision when he watched the replay)
2) The freekick that cos Chelsea scored the winning goal, there could be debatable, cos Fletcher got the ball. But if I were Martin Atkinson, I could have given the same decision cos Darren was blocking Ashley Cole.
3) That's NO OFFSIDE for Drogba, under the new rule in FIFA instructed 2 years ago. If an attacker stayed in offside position, and couldn't deflected the block of views of defending Goal Keeper, that's NOT OFFSIDE. So a goal should be allowed in this case. If you want to "BLAME" someone, BLAME FIFA!!!! Referee just applied what's under the law book.
4) As I told before, if a referee gives 5 mins add-in time, he could give between 4 mins 30 seconds and up to 5 mins 30 seconds add in time. That's why even Chelsea got subsitution during add-in time, referee didn't give an extra 30 seconds for that. The game was finished exactly 5 mins. Of cos a lot of people may not know about this (and also I don't think that's good idea the game should be ended exactly 95 mins)
5) Mr Martin Atkinson was handling JUST OK for that game. The critical point was Johnny Evans didn't send off for his foul against Drogba, that caused players in both team heating up. EPL refree is always no good:yy01:
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