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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
*Ye n8Gr Y z G 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙y QR'UY#Y%k

.l2uBH5w9n0vO)c 大家覺得:{-@D(W%N/JK
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
o6yJ6b/_MW 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?Wo@(s n#XS"o
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D W!T`:e 希望大家討論下, 分享下:{1fqo|b-`
你覺得邊樣重要?
$aGH E9FL 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
o.oP_y+l3~2@#F0a 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
3_ut_"r R te 有無成功/失敗既例子?1a)ANV A
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D|l a5]ZvT
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D?!^Q^It1i,w
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
g#D|;ct&{? 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~$[|7\ N,z(A
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
mA$UwP8l&t.cC 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~qS:K,@Up5K#VM`
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~\PSfJvIJ/f
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
-kc.EM{z/^ Gf 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
,] o3eQsJ 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星d5N m}^p5a!\`0H*y5tX
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
;IX\)u4{m R 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
!k f6Krm4} 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
(H _;F ? `;k 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:7c8ey]k*y&P L
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]:ii^/{&l1h@*n%F
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
,I u+e;`;P,V5Q@ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM: J,{J \'b:N
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???7j5P/mw X)z9G-wfi
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]v8sywd Sh1pqF+}
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
$}8| Ba b-D*~r~ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁"ml(n6b(SHL
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低-rT&P+MQ5{d
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
0r,sW@#G 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
a|+i(@N vA7{ 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的9s-qr$ml,d!UhA"e:?3nt
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
eNlRa,c I;}w 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 H(yWBB.j
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
E$l7XM!~4z.D(U:] 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙"E |#e5F%D#R7od%v8b aZ
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
}x&GOA 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層pgwy*S2T8|C7B
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
j(B3rAE 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
{lpJ0T.` 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
1_+XD#n,y`-\ Rg'R 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力A-RcS8\US `"{H2\
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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;b1D,|*r SXJ`Q 這題目矛盾的地方是:
0}W.h5[#v@ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
UD%Q|tJ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
,}Om%s rX/i 這題目矛盾的地方是:
/^^X1h%b5b{;K;C*O 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
VC:T1} ay8i\1m E 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]}U `3dr

ilZ8RR,C{4r;vu\ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
"j UuR;e \:R{ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
FQ/F-?f-R:Wl&j;Y 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
!hiAN @CL+xf 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:'X(k2s,gb(|8kT c I

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[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
O*lb"e.L L S"S [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]/j)O+K)w J/l e${
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
2{w'M5\JP)Cn but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university..X(sh6sGY1D/b:K^
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
X(Mh\$z9n @_em em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要4oUb-|\

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?p:e*R2\7U4? 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
7TZO*C `7u:D)g-K8D)s 聰明重要
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... [/quote]
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!]r0F"W~ bmI Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
O3P3c2ca]%J%[/O everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
6\5V(YH-g4v F3Sz but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
A K/i/_;G6x C5?W\x 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No1Li up b
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedY:U,F l5rf
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力 hl_8Ft;|6@
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力"` n?*K?3R
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
(DT0C] db9w y 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
;x.xL.tc 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
r}4_rJa4xe 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
c-\,bg] 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No/mB8iR_p fmXkP9z,I
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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R"K3t.qB/b_ 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
ad/{0h7w 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
:x s{E|` 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,Y'BP2n)H)b%Cl
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次;}E*r D;Wq\N#b$O4X
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
7tB'l%b j 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
pe#@e%?{gA 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻q+kB i#|4r
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現@q1E i6N!h
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
DA:EB%N3@ 去左邊?VN[o*i9B
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係最佳年輕球員
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否z^ X:V8@ Vg

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#mGX6|;K 小弟覺得天份緊要一點6xU+G2x ~ N
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧sqvC Fs7iKvr
而且
2S4iB*r,S}7B$y 其實好多時:Za!S8d,q+TC.Vu
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
.{3y;b c'ZR5AF,g1r 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
"nK:?e7T6ng&Z 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
;O-b`GY@ 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻~bK!h4@,o
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote] A)r2N)~.b/y7?

#juN}'n6~&z well, Lee Sharpe?%k}s8NP
He took drugs..~)B4V^;[cg AH.U
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
)i~j ywk right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:t)v,Z9v0H&SDp:e9U
well, Lee Sharpe?
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right?! [/quote]
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..{b#eo#T0`2io/[
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]@0W$o\8Z%p1a

PXy o:P,VIAc [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
W+^AT7q0E,w)n 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]%Jg"S"K]

3y.~v#GDfG@ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…]$Z VDSB7x5u h#UD
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:1z;p E$B8aL

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