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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力0C5rKQ,gui?5q-Q@
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:Q2rI#d E*b3`
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是i(S$g(ve
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?1UujLse9q

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
1S-UfVm 你覺得邊樣重要?
R,Z#a,@ g4\zRJ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
UZ;_D [9|6cd;^ 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?3Gr9OH2x7Nr,p
有無成功/失敗既例子?
@%F?@"@1wt 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?9B/|*?*Y%^kN2q%{
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8~5WD$IN!EjYa\_ 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D-~UKFiqY
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
4F8_'vi4dC6ai 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
/}'^(Se4]3QX1i Ws5Dx 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
9|]OQ2e 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~GyRTY"p7P[
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~)S9wurrX]

QI%z*]*} 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~ k*?*i|*wx6c.b[ b)~
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=5iZ A:R3f1n
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
3]'I/J/\ v7y@)m6R/t 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
?"dn8X~*^2DpF 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙5a:LKZ2lg%cO3A fTk
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
b&j3E2e}s PF 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層/L\|FNM.? x
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
)G'Z(SoA 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
c4O5I!]+ng 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
bEC? [}+^f5c 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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@1pZdj 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
9e7G3^{-A'b({C 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]&Jn/H[~"X8GW

Gx o#a:?"x7Y 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
q%XBl1T+H"O 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁'CdT5QAi(PCtQ
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
EE y4B7Hz!K7V ] nr{ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高CT9yVY~5lX5UQ
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高*u{8X,x/k I1u
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
R^ K*})cD 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平xj {`KJ0Z U8k;Vi
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
3N ]C7DN+]3Z 咁又係~~
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
\iQ0Q7P iLMf 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦\1s|Qd,T3K
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星*Chy_0{~z
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
r,t Q'cI1P!B 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 P8TNZ u$`4G*o$y
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層0YD,r B&iK8jo4Ko5A |
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
]:Ya%w,O#E#j!W-{A 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.-ZhNYr k
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
#^mlS4X{*^m,p:] 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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8O(p#gE df@$e 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力9t [H$b#x\
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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"v] PlI'{,V 這題目矛盾的地方是:3KMt3@3s&i-B
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力Zu:`a^r
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
_g+uS.\ 這題目矛盾的地方是:
X {R-w#` X Ot H\ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
4aF-v TJ8nZ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]It@@1g F)o[

]L"Y7Wt 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野E,{NzC/z`M1n[
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層kC s y[!wmtL-y
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層6H m/K'k!].i'AB8D`
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實J:]Ee}6?/XW[!Qj a|
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:g ~'wND

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 i!~r(Kc
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]:Y"q;IP ?
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]/X2U,qm3?3T/t

$[Pt0@m(d [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
6h |fwm [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
{8Vs `da;ga but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
;u#W fX+QY If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
NtA;BW(]s2m em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童U2~fIn-cy.?
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地H B-?@9]A:Bw5O ~

0A8\y/k"b 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
K.~-~}uoe 一日付出 24 小時去溫
saW|i8D6t 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:5T0}1tO`
聰明重要
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... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyCRTBhrcya
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
v;^^4@)h`I but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No.[+AJs;x"tL _X)V
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No&R+r3^5bRXZ
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed4i!~+Y&Ap
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力~r M|3l s.E1i
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力] W N8{/od
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
Y0e6^ N%Z j0y4S ]6}8_$kc 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
x9xc"Z0x OO 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
ZA(}D2@(TIgN4J 只要肯 ... [/quote]t^Q3HA
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM: a {:g1n N"~$V)X_
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nol)q#u%]| _
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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l8R?e A3d0j ~BD 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功KGJ p8G _-[3S5yk ~
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行Fo/K1sXv9@d
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
(U%d(^(\&g"xX 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次*sz*]%F%k}
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍 e~4q1F"K8Wy)[%H/a
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在I TF~-aw\A.R
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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《傷仲永》
L'I-w;Hw2C9By Y+d 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 ${ lh%tL8u-D#R
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。+L6dvdi*?/rXJc5P
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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O^ XK){xs m3c;fK^ 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?Er,ie)]h5J
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻+~0bKm z(]
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現*d~?l C TCr(o}
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱EBIcJ&O1G
去左邊?gLu5b+j}?^;e1z8v
當年聯既沙柏
/T#[!s(h{$}_H 係最佳年輕球員
m |&{J'_v-oqj*a 之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係RneYX*w0c7r _
有天份但係冇好運
ve{"|+JgI _ R 都係死......
dU\N ^ q4\ 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
8X S iH+D 至少
&Qit%gE3SXZ 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
!b*gijMD3V 而且
#K9qH5KS 其實好多時
T2bJO]TY(wn 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才1n4Dq4B-w,w{\'g
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人'H2j w hx] h {
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:TYR"v~%n&r
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻p)y)S(bvA
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]*{iQ+X[(QB7HU
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`;? ^#g2A9LC then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....3i%q!t-A)Pa
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:.pPc ~RTh
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'Lp]p?;q cC then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
/b5R3E,w)nR Y right?! [/quote] J+L*@C W7QC

(plEA%xcK 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs2hy Bvr
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color] gIBb2Z

#@&i I lFkHk1N [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..OL'fy*l
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]d7d*azYDW|

:y!G4Lym?R!Y [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街e5~U1i*T?
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] ~un:z.B W7}:Zhs
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…v"\sx8HH~DA
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:-jcDq!S/I
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