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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力ZK0q&B$i[B
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙mW0|!P9{8D

)T5UmgC'L/|F 大家覺得:
?"J!Q R&K.@Kq{?vk 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
8m CN1q)h UY^B$s 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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/]+R6MQ/{Id8G g1e @ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
AwIQ6_Kyk 你覺得邊樣重要?
"Tz3b;y-f'B9o;Nx 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,d8F!?E!b
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?fv6AqZZ7\g
有無成功/失敗既例子?$h9D'GpH R3F2p
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?6lx&r9Z3R
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
6qKk jC8gu ]$~#VE 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~9aSSA {D
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~tm}!H y)?/a!~~
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
7t2W Gm.@ ~ 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~cz Eh~BO w
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
[7Og4x_Bl*C3I _ 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦Qr,lh%?L
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星"TBK+ZPq A*D%i K
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙X R8Y$yB7f|G/s9K
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
:b,e3dz r 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 H R0m3X[4jq1K
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
]3z(|8on p5}7FyM 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
-t6a+a_kYT5z\K,A 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
;y:tM9a4Y3k'v9A 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
K~}U \'j'R)zD 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]amz`%^*e1T8Ez

3@/|$rkPI(v 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得.C'b\VxOO
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁KB/I`%H&j+sg8w~No
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低 w+?VA,ib
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
GIl5x`,wp{ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
(sg:?)~g0w{ 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
YP sX~3Sfc*s 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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lS4[ @_W0b \ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]f,r;N@!I)z#K
咁又係~~5Z9K2_4RXT
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
@ J\p-k 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
:^9znR5@[H }|` 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星f x$}ia
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
qFoHl"A V 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
)qPVFEz(gnZ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
`"?'j9u3y.mNx 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]6IRt}#Z%CZ

f-E3B)v'a2q2X%jI 用運動是很好的例子:D
HjP!imYip"c*t 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
.V2SUM3g!f-_ Z 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
C.^ Eqw s0] 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
Cg#W I2W(A |R%_;K 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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CG0xc)Y |)Xh 這題目矛盾的地方是:$~2Aum.|/JhS6u
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力uk1_.|QxM!A4cg
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
{/NV BpJ!m 這題目矛盾的地方是:
Py6IL[ })t3S 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
|-}Hd%d qs!n(_ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]K:F"w8TOJ f(X(~

;B1rvmf s 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
O HOQ6B2nAw 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層sNC(Y"y6o
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
2r6H@LEE$e 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實1RVL;Oe?+T$AHd

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
o0[y|;XH"Q but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
d'E+aXw9U9Nr0x+Q If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
.EB2m1g;zO'?E em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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Qb3U6E d 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
%S&e@#v)H(W9T 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
R#y/d4M&du ? ... [/quote]
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:T&M&q RV r%]G_y Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
g8o6L;i"g,H+s everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
&J pei0].X/j%I but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
cK-N g't ].R8?j\ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
-D2M y l[p It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedxtq0X4WzB(y:i
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
"FB4w C.]l People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
} T)q rH)e5K1TR People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life1B Z-hs)x"qe%D$@ e _
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:c4xEd*ht,B n;P
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
~2u-C%x A$P&m 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:6CsF9p/q~*\vL
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No}8]+ABny
只要肯 ... [/quote]+{fm0X\%IF({
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功Up-`J5K
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行'v}'r)Squ(L \$a
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
9^4c0}a i 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
2__T|g?r Va 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
[;C.BY&D |Q|7L0| 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
+J o!}9qC-K6x 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理K$f4W.O'EG v

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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。ZE~:m/Xr0m
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I4i`8hw&pxV 書解:
9q Nd#^9s 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻&SW/T yVb.u+P[
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現~JC2I {0j |/d
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱M"{D5glH
去左邊?
4t M6y3L+j_e&`!W 當年聯既沙柏
X.r:E _ ?4N 係最佳年輕球員
;?HTI4Tf1v3s 之後又點呢?
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E0`9Pc,sR\ 小弟想講既係
wxp z1GNa{&UR 有天份但係冇好運2hf\I&j[
都係死......){K LI!~$qV,\k6NI
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否V0T2lPZ

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才%A.OY$??z6y'r
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人2fsq zw'M q)dw"s
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:w0U4D8b8ms7kxcN
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
n}1Qk2?z/A3v 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
_ HU2E"W.jT7a0w He took drugs..a4WVC&P2A#^d4b
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
5F r i:W#? right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
J"H;[)l0T8nJ(o7pS well, Lee Sharpe?
Lz@5F{P He took drugs..0ySnx y
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
7F)qYH[["K!g right?! [/quote]
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DNjFr 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsv7B/uH4z(XN*s1W8V)S
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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0K(N1[S)\i.Y(\.\ [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..I n_!S@9\,~6T
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]"\EM,o q3F

i5KvO;kj2F5zk [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
'@hwa%r Ag 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color])PLCEG4aW

"\"Z&R8J U%d'w4BZ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
_8_e/Zb9S 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:j&LCQ d,Ze)gJ(V

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