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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力N KwY#M]
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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(vd&kZKe,QG7} 大家覺得:,g ~2s}(]WI
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
:G [ di `c9i 你覺得邊樣重要?
CAU%|q!ucp(X 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
9h(RlJ7X5~6G 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?V3T'xU-v&e)]
有無成功/失敗既例子?
B+t$})\l 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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x!J*v.Td2C|@ 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:Dn{\9bt2h]-S$W&p
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1TOdI_[Y'VD *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D;s$}.M0f:Tp

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~O3v+fs3mp$]
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~ Bv)Zs%T^[9{.N
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
,k yNB$lN0o 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~j_\1h(X%p
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
9`m9r@%G/E$I 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=-zomlI$@Jp&xp:|
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦#N,N]6Gy$W ?F
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
t+seGGRY'` 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙:_1S q7V8EX c&yS
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書v*n'XE1i)T9c
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層Hto|!K E$`
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:&q]GX'[l&N
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]"yR&mY-LO
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
;~r@UUj B 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:RfM/C`H-g0s
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
:r M pR)Tvo 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
%^H9^(f9M/JK 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
s7e$[sh,i0X? 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
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可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高'ga#f:gn6{_
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
4]!i'R"S*Q 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平K dy!bb%TE5}!g
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
0sQX$l(A7V3U)B)g 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦q'H7L0fO,d'a}1b(h
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
WV*i%q'b 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙g*T J5x*?z@2b-A@
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
h~k:s(Q}fc 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
7_ k/H-X9R'VOV%Gr 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]%O]yLm

xT ypW_ 用運動是很好的例子:DVbt2sv5@Ke
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc. Gwa@2r6?-C
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
|{R_AF6Qv 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
~ q'~X X,C 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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p(\%tL!R9G[ 這題目矛盾的地方是:
0B2`,^3lU#~$D+s!j%L 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
~G*N,A6_8}9M KP:RO 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:)g/JM!V:M
這題目矛盾的地方是:
%WM ^ V{v"S 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
*_x3KVJ e\9Z`E(q 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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6Z:Q0IQ r 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
x\^pz6vP1} 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實(rR6~(Z1u
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:U~:fR-j6y
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(g C M7Ut0@/z 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 _AB*p u jq3w
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
uBi~ TK~r [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]}[vQ&m2rK#N
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], W@t)~#WRjAd3[;_
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.7]0D"gy5^I fN8v
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.c `A1R*Sl'm)s0a
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
$_ fRT$[T0jP0m em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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|!};N5f3A1A;M3h 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地&V[-h'P8UV8G(Q

e0a0yQ T)B%f'n 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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x W8B,y^ B(Mmt` 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
#v2r KJjO;p 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only"{VX8@ \
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.]0xe0P BG
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No TP&N+E[7D
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NoP'?yi-p0[_7W,w
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed|8Q:D0] K7O v
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
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People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
9wIT+`l4|*]8d$Pb 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:LVhfl0QJy{ C
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No(g$u+OL7]a"x
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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c3t[A!_N'G+[ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
9~ Cr*qK'm 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No v ][/Yf
只要肯 ... [/quote]XR)a.Q6F]HG
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
G(m#\{x t6d,?t 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
n_sQ mI:H 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,h(U {O/}B My&byv
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次'dV,s%y`Rey
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍UxSV6E)b
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在*g Z M$J:mZE t{!h ?
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理 y/nIJ[.J$~
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:M_*O([b"x4Ph@0m 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。Z^sg"mD8c(ZpP;hD
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻E P]5\yyi
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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Zm db9wv5_;a 去左邊?
v)g LBn6W5m6E3\4h3sn 當年聯既沙柏
-},w*CM+Wc,B$n 係最佳年輕球員0d7]o^N7q_5p
之後又點呢?(X3\6tc0I6G

&T'lt2eSf 小弟想講既係
&f$_ IQaW }'B 有天份但係冇好運
^1S4s$M,Z@b 都係死......
6Q.X1N5Dv Z,Uo 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時
mX~#O]3@ 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
JE ~XX x 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
A$x$Sc(u 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:c aX)O;o"{'Jg
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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8Y&}0s$Y U+DJ*B well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....7` XwI4FZg hO
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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He took drugs..
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right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
;RhI;s!u^*O1~ 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]6S(E(c HAo@
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
3u k#@9h+DR J6} e#cn 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]*g}C;AZ:U_,~8\
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街VxB y3A5z
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]3c"]1C}u\i

3D6B\,gu'\ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…$x.B^1h(}-]Bll
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:8kS;v ZL(h3S;h |.V
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