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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力"p,w$Wj&c ?}QZy
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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g8\2l$Cl 大家覺得:
+RS(m(h/w#\n 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
3@N c5K.F)Pn0G 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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;`UQi8N u#J#@ r!d"P 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
9o?F{%ue`)\c 你覺得邊樣重要?
U_I)b3P&`W0p k 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
O0BJ~4o?$}-d5e 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
.^ B#kr~ g'j&P3E 有無成功/失敗既例子?
r hW0\(Km 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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UK^`4r]qFj 希望大家俾心機答:DKc2K^.z
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?lw,VQ7Z 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:DYRf'M[S

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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
3N5[y t uuu.P5OE 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~^vp5}fT#X/J
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~#G%D4X%hcQu{"L0z
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
/}X%X!u/b*N 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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G7C_ @B`#U)a+dH!H#e 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~&w1RYh7`D#uh
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=Q_ u+j5W-tp
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
@eE:gG"@o 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
3I"x6GS)U y#f 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
@c7{|],q 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
?@5X)B#Lz 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層F|y,zV V4c8xny
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:-d#Wbl1Z H0O'bN;w
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
n3?$`#r?;im/L 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
'B8oO^A,L 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
"eB'D7l!L|XD 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote] @)J)WRmRVN
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
n:vv5g4{xr/c4Z${ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
:W,aK#F+T}$bz'Pd 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
f\&U(^U(_Q 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高x { ax ^r[:X
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
%p![I$]8B-Z#Gc 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
A%fZ#_&_7z$Q3e 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] yi;leu"q9KS2c2K(l
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:e"w F:Y/X[
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
E"L4\{3I{c 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星7~1T { X(a{,L?)yy
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙2YYS ]x y2nq)k
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
(GW$U8A2kVp?1W jp(Z 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 |J(ebG3^8a5j#tNG
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]0GV[4g*D i(J#g
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用運動是很好的例子:D
(g6_)s6[{o:s;a 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.FmL0nXz lto
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
#YpB7a v~"EM 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..O+Z@ B Pi&^[n.d

V{{'NG 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力!T;iSeM'q3K*Z%ihj
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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-GR s5B0n 這題目矛盾的地方是::b1^8t` kI
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
+NW+c/\3~u?ffj0U 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
Z%[1a)fXO 這題目矛盾的地方是:/J@j@u+J{ k c
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力-NX&zs:X Qe
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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Mw#~Ef'Y 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
2bm2qNv/_?~ o 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層?k\+CUq
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
:FwS G2A0H6\$T 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
){PM;e$|C"y [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
&rH%trk,u$m [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color];` BU#H:rC

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
M2|~ l%~ but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.(~HSod$g3Q
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.%e6J'y7O;y1R(H'R
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
K:tF&pK&D$IP 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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&[2q C]6Q,S{_|3~ 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人#f~ dt,f#uw!~T
一日付出 24 小時去溫
'i_'f5f Z`)kW 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:K,WO$EPTE]
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童J6k)j R.ohE2vq
... [/quote]
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society. l5y3yh }&n H
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
$UFt H5A(P 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NoCDI6o;z\
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed7_6K+}"cJ}!~'Q l
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力Wo)s2U#\
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力 s*X\(eQl+e
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
ms`b'^/y Wr+~ 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
u8D_S)c!JH/PB[+R 只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoZ,PYv ne U
只要肯 ... [/quote]ZC:G.?r-\b2K}1^
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
~4jQ@.{/WIuZ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No4rB'Q+\$o v5wRB'fw
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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n[y_~7h&S 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功i9g;]d{9S*Y(y
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
aL6N;f"Q&TTO 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
7ECDu&x:c 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
'~F:f:G*b7h4z.g 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍n)i7OJ'^WUE
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在"Nw&@7m7h?H AE
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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@&zp/`$N A j$O 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 B0\{:jT f

#LS#r1P{E&|2a+M%K 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。} L-mRH}

$v9LJ |hiQ3\_| 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 L~f \l+n"}8u
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻5q3c}3q;UYi
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
&z0FC@8Hie_|,d7~ 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
Elo7u*J+vT 去左邊?
(wlO^ s6Bu ]KY 當年聯既沙柏
}!Ms-s:G/b i 係最佳年輕球員,L%D!T!A*tK b;jB
之後又點呢?r] x*v Ji.\

%H&I5{z*u\3b 小弟想講既係
*ay9jt;j W"N.F+R 有天份但係冇好運/d/j:Y-q-q F7h KN
都係死......IO~+LTT
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否)M'h_3F%TF
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?%t1J1M wyJ-L1g 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
"}:N,abmf)G)_acq 至少
K L!u pZWR@6V 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
%A2Rl e3ywB 而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
CJX8Hi 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人L9I9QW4P'Y}En}
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:n gx2^8gAb
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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6[8p1v~5o/x7G then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....)o(S}E"RE3v
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:e["R0CYE Ix
well, Lee Sharpe?g\5OeAQ8}
He took drugs..
3kS2M {1]&m+I then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....9E)p Vb5A d&L e
right?! [/quote]mVz0bd
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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Z C8j@aC0OA_ s [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.. R,j _G%m T9sVQS ?
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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+r| E}]!R&A5|w [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街0GJ oA ]]-L
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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h8u6A `,j3|2? [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
d7nXR i2n`s 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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