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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
.Vx;Te\:m1z 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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TM(b/r,Y9p B 大家覺得:f hq|4h6SE,E
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
J&\QO9d7z 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?Ivh*h+r)m2O0c

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:b#HN"XELv?o] s
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AD(_js\p 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
*DP5}X/vSXV 有無成功/失敗既例子?
!Xa ?B9gB2{ @n 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
0QX o,nQ6R 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~^4If+oO-lhv|%T5k
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~:Ox"is j8Hk%i
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~8\8D)H'h5Fa*nF*~1w
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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KQQQY5O6yM 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~`-Kk9lu5k7I%Bbn,yn
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
:JV$BU5~ 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦'Y*r M.G+q7c+@
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星!iZ b ?+{7j*wK
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 t:\O^#H`7z,wsk
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
r"Sz~ V%V.o 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
,pclEf,wD5K} 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:*D`$s,~!f7O:]$I E/Iq
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
$o?4tQ;QXF 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???t|w3n OrqE'X
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:&Y.@2b Vd~ h:s4O ?

t#Z-Si` 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???B#Z1K$YM:z{
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
m-_wG aH5Rw3] R 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁,} zl'@0UHq
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
t7@d i*c}2[ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
B%]R%a[ hC-yw"D 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
.F8E h wS;@_ b)WU 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的X/llw F `cH&A u8d
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平*D p-D/}#]&{7fBZ#V9U

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:On5Ro LT E

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&B2{+s8^6Q,_5l6^ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM: a8K t1@ ?2j3l
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
@GN/FY6ye%Yj 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
)S2Z(h8Wz'Z 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
3l$b(_.ShM 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書9H+E k nX5_
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層Th(p^~ N
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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iw(V*Br-[ 用運動是很好的例子:D
yJ%M q8y#s.g%~ ?@5C 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
A6Tu0_'y 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
^~'H6F~}U 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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u6U-\KY Kw+y'K'a 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
Cza rO c}X 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...,X\aX'pz6a
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
if$Y;].O 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力"~K:ud/[b
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:0CK!AB}a F
這題目矛盾的地方是:
9X)gx'N#MSZD O/] a-j 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
5M^)jf-o&I 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]C"ER] N-DU

'N.F(Si$a 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
B U5A JF"j9| 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
3k+Lupw]#j&s"O 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
.iNP$k KU@~ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實~:JS{1QtW

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
s&IO(ce~!i2G,Y [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color] gP:R],l_
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]"MSN(lo*jn,Q]

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,P0a(@'d6]3vZ$m(} [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.#jAUr!h.`
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.m"abi.FL![
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
W3Nm'u3q/l-Hw j3L em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
$wNU@4y 一日付出 24 小時去溫
P7_:IT1xru 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:/z6pA[2hxz(E
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*d:oEwMl9X 世界各地個 d 天才兒童(nph1cx3[EeF9~1e.t
... [/quote]0o-Vg6C%tqr
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
n%_)yd~@&TNZ everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
fBN[ n#{ but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
!h\Co3~:PS[ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
:_)@1|,un~ It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedF)L-oA_nW
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
M-A5k{q1Q"`1_?b7g People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
2|Uy!eq7B.tP People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
.T,k2^INh['X 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
V pe"\+^4Lg 只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoN GF k"e,Un U
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:dh8D rKOn*c9FG
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
`(|U!eq-z 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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;b+Q0I0T1F/_UU;m 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功!J]B*L] Z,r
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行5R8mZ"pQ2R#|.}e^$Tc
正所謂勉強冇避幸福, h,y}?*s,ha Wo
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次#\4ML]O`
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍GGnwJ5Y `0T0J5Rt
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在? r#o xWN.PQ%~
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理+W-B$|7l,y
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 \] n%j$W*bW(?8B

9p5q!WJ+b _"y)p+Dt 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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-kY/g2sH4Zd;m 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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wX,t~KBMW 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻{re|6Az:lU"X
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
/AaAC w6zfm$koyD 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱 [/k"E$YYJSG(U~
去左邊?!Yx:O(l9KK
當年聯既沙柏 c'|6QC-Nd2gL8F
係最佳年輕球員s#M-G"yvi_|
之後又點呢?
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*sc5N.t:J$R ?V"zh 小弟想講既係
D9F@j7Ba4kZ 有天份但係冇好運5eWG1eD
都係死......0@"T e~M!^$\
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否.`ex f$xA}

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
A&@#cNt:OA6xo 至少
ZqI'L/_y9oTv 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧Hz.D:e8l(JF v!H@/J
而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才*O;_?{3` E:b c`
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
;YbPf `+G 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
8AX#D B `};N 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?_:P ~5jj;u
He took drugs..!tI~:}8Y4PC1M
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
AYwd Iva right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:t~-R!AW2?/QJa#B}4n
well, Lee Sharpe?fO,f.Y&l
He took drugs..
~ y#@w:| ^ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....i6]E YW\$?n D/C
right?! [/quote]y)N#U8uw
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs DS/AW^\5n
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color][6}r R9oH dK
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
J Q`&LY[ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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'e.C` KI5r mi R [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
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%U&B V9Ly [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
~X3uu`x&@z-~(l|\h s 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol: hW Iiy F'q h
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