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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力6pPH6ZH;m7mv
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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5~L?9[ wJ I k 大家覺得:
)Dr;Y&h$^H.kN)tS 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
)zh1X[L8S[a 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
+jRd%[Q5xO 你覺得邊樣重要?
:v4fP(lV#G 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,v9Ie th8nP
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
0{ WTT(x!N`,ON@N 有無成功/失敗既例子?
SN$M wv*? 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?w&C6ata(Dy
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9N ~bK^g_b:Q 希望大家俾心機答:D-E Z8a.z!X
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
$G'kc\ ~0UOc ? 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
UQ9C(bHQ 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
:]TQo [mO 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~g%E:pP!y;~2\
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
\*?m u^ID 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
.GZ(OqE a 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
h"z#^%G2KO)c 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
'G/Zan)Z 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙?M0hiID&q_.Y v ~A
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
]O(KhX 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
-a/cuxv 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
cGsdH I0Xx qn 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]Au(N&UF
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
YW OV3` 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???5kb+T QL8v5T B_
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
L(b%B%}&u 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁YW;W)~J5H];_&P%U
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
e3w_ B5@?a4?D*s 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
8M'B`|v"Np 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高4f.Q'p7@ ?
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的l |!mZus Ds4M
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
2[B-_*Zl!v 咁又係~~
,k X:e J*@*S1Ru 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
%d5I.Wv9] V Y'A 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 Bg1t@aO)a-T
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
;M:c ?I#Mm 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙bO:o |7w*i+G
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
%s}2{ H8f/G 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層2dGKnZuaJ
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote].W"M*UB:qEp;X
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用運動是很好的例子:D
!BC9WI{3f]N I+E 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc. O)Si3?5gz b(}
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
W uD2P)o 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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C!S$}2Ce2F)Hb,@v$y 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
9X(a2f(_ E%W9u"e 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...!gi:N;U;E?4}
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這題目矛盾的地方是:/Pr$^&Wp6Ci6_n_
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
db*f'V[A 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
J3YH YED U!a 這題目矛盾的地方是:g"z#{y Q$A
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
:GO|9Ah5b 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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6it]TF9Y$G0L%cN 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
4j:v!P-j%e#U FQ"pD 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層I(QiA {#XL
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層HZa g(Q!It]u|
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:U2[@N'q
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T,SE,Y8_e 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野%Gr9Fy:|/yd.sR!\B
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
8Pqda`d [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], yvJp"Y)A2h&n iU|
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
2oNf;_||`{u but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university."I,D}TT)j(b"q
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
4E#KcO`"H;k7BQEc? em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要#b7k1Dn HLG
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
#KDzpA0w\8bg&[.F*c| 一日付出 24 小時去溫3E9O.QF~z
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
(}:{9l/v4T z 聰明重要.L9hN$T"@'k B
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
B t?g0hq _1a 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
2X;o]7M(l$t It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
Xy uD&yk%c+i People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力&`u:NIC(@._
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
.I`DJ tYe People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life {;s0ro K)|#A,qHP,v
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
v%qwH1g'kf l@N!LuFE 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
r)pupD A 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
9c p5n l}({#p 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
'w-N4xCK)R,S 只要肯 ... [/quote]xig9X?2v
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
_ Xob x%u%\`E 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
fB0ILtqC 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,rDC/XM
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
/c K(l|x3R 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
j)Hv1P Fp+@O 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
\0E$||cW |*V 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理;zs"M|Z&gY
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L~K,t-eTJ 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 R#`'il9E e%g|\
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。/sr8B$r#q{fQ-@

J Y9g:M YA 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 2PV&Z Q!Q*J LL
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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F3}3c y9i([ L+C1?W*A 書解:
"w?.z U:M!?e 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
5h ]Tpo k!PD 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現/BAv5X3J*Oi3c,j
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
MWS2fnI6Ik 去左邊?"oI cQKA}Ce
當年聯既沙柏a o3Q"L,T2[
係最佳年輕球員
6Ah'f9f'_/r*z 之後又點呢?+aW:|)k*f)e ip
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小弟想講既係
g[c }:sm+V 有天份但係冇好運-HfL!nBi6kP9d;h1F1j8^
都係死......
#p6\w:NS:CJ9["S 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否,M#r7Q-v tV \@

c[a _ NjD 同埋
'yUP {)XL:n9[ 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
k'W-s.[ y 至少
T ?2ytJ!P _K(C 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧A"XwcjA
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才%d\` @)\/u,Nas
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
(z*^;B:S F%gqX.E8X 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
K3G+n(E W4ln 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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He took drugs..
xtyA2YA'{q then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....@R]!~q9Y1i
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM: v7V4w#GA;{4}bL
well, Lee Sharpe?
W(B-dV6H6s#}3^#v(m He took drugs..
` a JB/r5Nj5Mrk` then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
iWiU%Z7mGd#ZG right?! [/quote]
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G,\ KF,c%y I:r+] 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
F0Dbez1?,T j 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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~;A8@o dC w(? h _R&?f [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
Yj{@QM4jfw 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]~.k{7z:Qx*`(eg

AJE;X.U [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
}IEV B|-g? L 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]uuZ Z B4p
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
ADb&[k9W e6hk5N 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:1w9Wh@/~,Ye*ak
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