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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
Gzj'}(v6z(Lr 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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QHdtV F4t @ 大家覺得:
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t'Ap?-Z 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?2o+nUV \+Y$eB

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%c'{ a hE5riu 你覺得邊樣重要?+D,s&ri(s~
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,3b#j#f7WsO
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
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有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:Dd,wm"e@)DeS
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:Dy(|4hh#g,Q8l}
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ f7c5?,]C+F'KpH9U
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
#Xy:a5j)b#M9wi w]-B 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
j/[+b*k(JL:d;YM'Rc 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
;]l6PS:E9TJ0a1_2xk5h)N 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~s |0P9h.A0GS

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QNxadY 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
5K#Co_7Y%T!Ac'ae 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦A3oSlBh i4U;h
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星Q%o5|gy/U}
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙;qu&Jds/y;na0g
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
mk[~ }8R8~8P2P 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層y'K:J Ba"F,Z1S;{
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
'~c]G5|'I@L 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]+Uf+l!u5d2X
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
vH],QC/C,VT 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???sMZ+z(y2R.AW*n
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
jgp%]6pG H(B 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
nCu Y*q,SK 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
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可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
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h.}0V1Q 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的0`n\"[i*X)Hq#a
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]F.h0uwz1h$E
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
7r{;x| _|5F~:H 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
FIL8HN?-aX:C 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星ts&uM m }(H
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
v7w8YsY^F 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書;QB_{&W|]4{i
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
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因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
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w$d 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,rX+w L*w9k2\c
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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9H;s6H3L ykj$Z2f 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
lA:TR;G 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:t7B!|D2\;z6N\"Z0KG
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
8MN4oX:|a 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:7^e8H8i,U$?p&t8])X
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+F9_(}DiH0HJ x/|)_ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力{&S!xN/k5GO
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]W&{dt%|};o3hMI
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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6h@F#?C%x x&Rs 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[j3~.sg~G/i3n9X
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:Pf/Q7P%G
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[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
K uEN2z1Hub [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]-\GD#aNN
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
5i?hMy6E9n but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
pl*lL"{m If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
#SXQ1dpDh em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:z2g?b8O sd(rf8Qy'e
聰明重要\i*O eL
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoWwA6C!z"`{2Xo
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No/Zk U)@v2EHi
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedgJf.Q7I'a-a
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力@P`L0G o
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力v!K'R ar0q~
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life#b\k8xA-[q
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:z `t'dgL;x2@
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NokR2~)I
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只要肯 ... [/quote]0VFS1~'RbO.c7R
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
)J/~2MmA/qmEh 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nop}5k`%w
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功ZQ ]&i"@y#D(ZS
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行pZ$DW|$G,V"l${
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
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zG 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次T:b%E&T?|I`
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
nm[bbjn/_ 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在 c$jm&B
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然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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1u(T2N3lF;rN~Q 《傷仲永》 &HjF"S&V:wtZ
金谿民方仲永，世隸耕。仲永生五年，未嘗識書具，忽啼求之。父異焉，借旁近與之。即書詩四句，并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意，傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就，其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之，稍稍賓客其父，或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也，日扳仲永環謁于邑人，不使學。 qM [i tw @
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予聞之也久。明道中，從先人還家，于舅家見之，十二三矣，令作詩，不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年，還自揚州，復到舅家，問焉，曰：「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰：仲永之通悟，受之天也。其受之人也，賢于材人遠矣！卒之為眾人，則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也，如此其賢也；不受之人，且為眾人；今夫不受之天，固眾人，又不受之人，得為眾人而已邪？
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9f&{'hFr/A}&c 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永，年幼「指物立詩」，可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習，長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別)，說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理：仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成，成了強烈的對比，先揚後抑，說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻0Xb|7zN
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
a!kMU5SX 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱%NX!NiJL/fMB
去左邊?
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2@m!v:g(IFk9oKc;s 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否*J$W4x`Ab0bf)z
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q(G6p}3\$O 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
%}Zb+@3qR;T 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:Y%P@j~
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right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
GUv1x&F]4K well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....N;F8bAe{-ruH
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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CJU%vS*Z [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
3O2ps+N5t 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街Fsn\%C3{
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]#MqI'wR6u

? n(jLAoZ#d rPcw [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…bu }+gx-L
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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