[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?
好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力"p,w$Wj&c ?}QZy又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
大家覺得:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? 還是
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
你覺得邊樣重要?
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
有無成功/失敗既例子?
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
希望大家俾心機答:DKc2K^.z
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[[i] Last edited by 樂壇渣Fit人 on 2005-4-23 at 01:33 PM [/i]] 我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~^vp5}fT#X/J
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~#G%D4X%hcQu{"L0z
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~&w1RYh7`D#uh
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=Q_ u+j5W-tp
以上只係我o既分享:P 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層F|y,zV V4c8xny
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:-d#Wbl1Z H0O'bN;w
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote] @)J)WRmRVN
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高x{ ax^r [:X
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:42 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] yi;leu"q9KS2c2K(l
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.= [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:e"w F:Y/X[
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星7~1T{ X(a{,L?)yy
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙2YYS ]x y2nq)k
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 |J(ebG3^8a5j#tNG
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]0GV[4g*Di(J#g
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用運動是很好的例子:D
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.FmL0nXz lto
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..O+Z@ BPi&^[n.d
而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力!T;iSeM'q3K*Z%ihj
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
這題目矛盾的地方是::b1^8t`kI
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理 [quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
這題目矛盾的地方是:/J@j@u+J{kc
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力-NX&zs:XQe
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層?k\+CUq
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:39 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野[gy\8wFp.h4TW
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color];` BU#H:rC
[[i] Last edited by crap on 2005-4-21 at 04:47 PM [/i]] talent, yes, it's really important.
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.(~HSod$g3Q
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.%e6J'y7O;y1R(H'R
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important 聰明重要
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人#f~dt,f#uw!~T
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可唔可以咁樣呢? [quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:K,WO$EPTE]
聰明重要
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society. l5y3y[3Q h }&n H
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing...... 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NoCDI6o;z\
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed7_6K+}"cJ}!~'Ql
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力Wo)s2U#\
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力 s*X\(eQl+e
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoZ,PYv neU
只要肯 ... [/quote]ZC:G.?r-\b2K}1^
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!! [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No4rB'Q+\$o v5wR B'fw
只要肯 ... [/quote]
當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功i9g;]d{9S*Y(y
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍n)i7OJ'^ WUE
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在"Nw&@7m7h?H AE
然後全力向前衝 做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻5q3c}3q;UYi
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力 [quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:ngx2^8g Ab
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right?! [quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:e["R0CYEIx
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..R,j_G%m T9sVQS?
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街0GJ oA]]-L
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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