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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力5e'No d;]"G
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
{8j&z^.~8~Q 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
9@OF"U Nb7QV%f0k 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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F dM)\-Y^ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
IO$mT&X/p 你覺得邊樣重要?
*LP0K)`o9r 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
1tu|)O?0c$i(H*CZ 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
%{b&o z%T*^1\o 有無成功/失敗既例子?
j,@5Z1^Bbx 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?A(r'L){3x M
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]4_#\ A#e"N7B UB/gG 希望大家俾心機答:DM z[:Ux S
我諗會幾有分加;)
z%DbyRS:E$x^p 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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j'c4vPW!?i *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
&pp:_"RMA9yG q 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
)X5SQ8_ o0Bl/C8C0z 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~F OG e u(O~
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~bkq)[ u'xG&be
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~T$O?X{j!A Z
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~A"v;X5];E
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
K b3|(U!X!eqI 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦oH/sQ!D.u{Ph
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
)IZ u'}Eh 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
S"\2p%D4H#v%Z 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書4{uZ"?F#v
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 Z!B6c)Jf q X
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:cM`zh BOt-R
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]nY:ag{{#z$Z
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???V'o!y.y:bD8hp~
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:g0W TY`!AZ
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
O~^'Y7y!F 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]0AO/t6g"D0C3y;Z
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得0}Q8O(P4e+`}
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁^)|p~@~;n H1h0k8m
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
uM3fu%YPJ:n 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
Q.h:obCL\ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高x$P.D;P:LG
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
2f:D"m#n/zn,x 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM: upSw/],Ga

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|JT&[u+syM 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
E!QG2ge(oRCa 咁又係~~if9Pf:G4ki
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
0o)^J Bu ^ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
:y!U)K'L?Y'_#R(w D 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星&[g:H:`Q3[ G
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙^F5z;e$L|c be
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
-KL#q A7V$gpx 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層C-x/\S(S:~:^
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote])\I({SVNt~#C)v5{
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用運動是很好的例子:D
5a9zqB0O A&T9GP-gi 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
U.yq.U [awc7| 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,9Wx[1]+kXn1Ce L
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..}8w)x{LP QU

/k%{ A l|*w2@q 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力!j c#uR7`F.c\/F`
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...^7z;[3s DC{|
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
C)B A/\qG/J0j 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
er Cu"Q#N!s 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:`K'_f#`(dA
這題目矛盾的地方是:JN o x lO
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
/QBedgT-} 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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b*be~_ |1}$tJ%d&I 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
F)k z`2k.R3Mp]4E 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層'U$\]&e3|QF W)B
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層5|u@+Jk)N4aNW
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 N;a_ @dQk@d
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
Q.w%fy]4{.U [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]0j[ oA+C |-L
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
;},|q'gE [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]5[&] ~!V|(S

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
:]L^+c6wP-]d but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.Rt$K.NcnK7VQ
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
CKW2f|^[+U em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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I1HiHZ 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
^[g]-y.~o I%K 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地/G#JI-GG2S@qb

B]!i.L;^ 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人8I mPj8ls
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
fQ1x _ Cw{/\ 聰明重要7KsG!J?
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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)W [9qV6Jz(AJ Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyF+b'z-E*XG/[
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.x9t$A,o'f,N;rl,y
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
cG'P?5c+m^ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No;z'gVr3d)jl[cl
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
+a+Z](A/f kXC_ People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力 q;[D&^N"eui!_
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力L0a5DH,CPA)O
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life0f LCb| A7]
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
7?8j}Z;k![ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noa?n,Q6|y_
只要肯 ... [/quote]6_rgc"r*t
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
m&@e@u:L^L 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
#r^Ij[#^-G-i 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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Y.@ lH_R T 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
II].Gv)x a$Bd 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行VT5}p;p:DcON a4r
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
9^d]e"| Z:b;y 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
k+]8s%Gwy 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
+{*J7?r~-K.{4SdK^0q 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在#k,H _[np
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理FZg5ho&yr [A
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 `&QsBED.G7h

e@3h5dD(sU ` 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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e)Du7D no UP 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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2|R;h%U{G 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?Yv1q~&w w

0D4s6{@"_D'd/u 書解:1U+U4U+u6L v)Ww;Q
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
s \wV#ph 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現'^1m_` SS
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
\H6B)?v!f#I*y 去左邊?jPx*v`0C!bqL(g
當年聯既沙柏w_KY0j F(I]4n
係最佳年輕球員o4S d3VH,F.L(v
之後又點呢?[ n,] a)\_lK

Y!s,_(YKwiYGe 小弟想講既係
%w%tt,Zg 有天份但係冇好運
\ R*tvV5m(y 都係死......6V5G+v:F QE4i7y9W
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否9~ f/b V'[(`%[

6[2qtt~3A 同埋
/\:A.qw$c 小弟覺得天份緊要一點1@m` c|,]kLGu
至少_^3Q#HU7D e(L
有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
3q3P\*S:^J 而且
)xL#C4L+l{'E.lwA 其實好多時
Dg3^Wz5l 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才 ML'S2U fP%l
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人p$E+@-F5R w-{I?3B
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
.y6] h(N\3i J 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
}sx1?-C*j&tw L 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs..r*Cjl![3D6v
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
Iwv'f6o right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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bB:\)t G]T#z He took drugs..j9h4G9bFCc1~
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....:_8~,U/?*X9I:H8a(P[GF
right?! [/quote]*~L Y-{$G)k{ d
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs!I.}ta \8t
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]u;~EJue I#f)f
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
m@y q*F2O G][,vzv 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
S ieJ,y2PgO;^y 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]/K.s[ n-]~:?{
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…,\pM'bv8^*o
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol: sa(Nc8b#}{
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