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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力 |RxABO|
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙$o#n:U U,nd k
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只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是tnN$|:H^Ij+app1k
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?mq9\d;y4l&|

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H)D&@ D*k w | 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
4C U:P OH3UN L#k 你覺得邊樣重要?
i `4G^\ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
.nb4e|"y^1CQ 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?"|&@r^ F@ {*y)q
有無成功/失敗既例子?
2{6QS bc9i$L'N6y 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?3R0Q&aB9`
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~"MqK+uS.ZNtF
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~#\9~]*vN y0M{Ga
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
"bI9dZ;~Al+cqH 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~"Cz~"Oab
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
;l3V5EC"~*v 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
N7C@'Bk:]N*x 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦I$Oy_8I2Zq)Y
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星.Ot vaD v m
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙7eZFe T.N aj
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書zN)E$z@q
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
0x Gnh ~o 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
;AM+M'C;j 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote].U9Bnpx2}_
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩??? cJUZ8wnG
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:.w*tK`?2qq3y

j;i9OM~I5Z Y 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
U7Ti4iI1] Jg 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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,N+LcCwwJ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
(bf4Y"t%V2Z#[8f 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁z$Hut n `
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低+o4hY!d8yO
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高;A^ y4MH)^
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高,f.cn4r TF4Z6C
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的lnIgE
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平g7[(I2y'n+Z-H

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM: o6@HD6?"Y
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f)k*m&S!u"_ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
m9I0R6Oyn 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦5V ^%U6T;LN3|
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星bw o*CVy/D,a9o&mI
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙5i+I x4M i"H9O
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
.g cD#C3R 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
!y$M'}7V1cA.FW 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]\ZrcZH@

q'C2g)`*@UJm G b 用運動是很好的例子:D\0Ns$N(i8s!i$c
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
M?&U|~? 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
5O|1u0Vi3W 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
v ty"SSmi&~G 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...CWc2t U Z;r6N(q

P0N td-_ b#w(eh 這題目矛盾的地方是:@ sq0GV4ul
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
y8W(n:z*b9vT 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
FBj oU([:dDv3jO 這題目矛盾的地方是:
g H Y z/W'?L`3l9b 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力!U'E0zws'r$ll6J'\ cRo
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] B8CZ|6`

FH%k g lQ&EE 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
5xs9} YI3O$_r 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
n%fN5L%j3c2h~&G9p 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層 }^)jr^
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野#d-a"@Xy7sH
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
1` L9z|6R?L [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]Xv;wg8m0g\-c
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], {3G#^ QH(gf
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.(e!\I}Vo
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
}kh4F(j k J:?}jC@ If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
-},P+J?g,V5j_ em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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,K-q`&H:E.t 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
(X+r'xh,I!{@S 聰明重要4}nK~6D/S)t$sM:[(LQ
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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m*Z LjwNZ3h Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
Ds7Km"? everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.@As2sI)Gk/HR
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No/PK_(U`{;pu!m5e$v
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
p H{4]E3RLb9bZi It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed z)hY M~Os9D\
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
d`Tg5w'SUlW People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力y"]b'AL y)Q
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
']+h&` ^Uy#\ 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
G-vO x/eHCA 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No:~&Bj]LW }
只要肯 ... [/quote]5mW$~${y!H z6M
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
0ev~F^Z/h4h3TG 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
"@za&TgU&Y}tO 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
u-v ce {w!r 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
M+AF*e }H:N 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,a7xm R x0]
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
NgvFR.X:f 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
];_,i7?sX2B#d 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在0wJnB Z{;U
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。n5\8Pp!DPR-y3E
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
v-a]jzk7q 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現4r)y;mQ7b1B[_
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
-~@v.Z3at9J 去左邊?No?m!U9^
當年聯既沙柏 p/X%]\1t6E V6r
係最佳年輕球員
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:y%T{5pn,JR 小弟想講既係
'u#vq3db/Sh%M?Y 有天份但係冇好運
s9sV,yo&\2^iLrk 都係死......
s+u0n&VL0b(hn"Q B 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否Tqk He;},n
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P?W.n1J1P)~ 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
7C-^-s:UPfW%G0F:F$?i*c 而且 PVR{U^Q+^-c5y
其實好多時A2_ P2H J]
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
\+e'~5|*b#N:P 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
Yk:J.m5B3hJ 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
K rm&QjF9b;a 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻7Z/H7CA:l+] q@6P
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote] tr'JL)r-X

/Yz,W7`:l^g4G;@6~ well, Lee Sharpe?5Kj l/_-A!e(~
He took drugs..
d5g4X,Sr PYw:b)[c then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
9S/UZ/Olg right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
G~)Y^z-} well, Lee Sharpe?{0xX/x,w
He took drugs..
#L5O"c$y.{.^ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....|*wSFae~
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
F z+~b8P"G7yb 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
(|(\R$k8sO jY+p9M 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]~#L o-?{!Cq

N q K~:L&q [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
d6F6oQ%iZ |9V 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…HdI L;M
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:by7@ ndX+S
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節錄自我Organisational Behaviour 講師:)
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