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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
{3Im)^&r x5} h 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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-E"C7{*d}e 大家覺得:
(?+\rJu}3L? fx 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是L%LlFBk
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?hFQW@~
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hA!F~)y-XZ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:{ qG"w.@
你覺得邊樣重要?
-`;D3]QY'A 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
q,zy/q$u6da'f 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
;Z E6N:j7x;Wy 有無成功/失敗既例子?
,Fyx@8F1F4f%F 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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WmjQfU_J 希望大家俾心機答:D[c5zL{7x9y
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~lG"R5gA[
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
BiMnP;K$MXs+E 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
+|1{7Km7@0k0|+I-A 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
A `.C(iw,lY.J 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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^a(prL/k4i@ 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~F1I3k^Q d?NX
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦#p(UR:~%K
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星J:bA"?6?a6jw@h
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
GI sRe^&?`Q } 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
SQC5l%o};K 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
c&k/de o%]ki+O 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:.F/])E_@}
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote].Y*@5sy~ m$GGF
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???{0N,m8SQ1h YV(n^Z}
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩??? j+H,j Z8mx
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]u T7o9TjX![
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
w7\:a-DU8U 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
j6bA9o7ir&y4C 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低z2@i[~L!w*A+Z N]
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
7N3p)R8J}e i| 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
4}!H9\ ]@U 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的1~x!k~*F6^&f%y
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平NJtz3E,x:W1~:I
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]P PP$?;b*Wg
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
3YVqoyCH'm j 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
W,k0pj%M!I 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
:R:H8etF t 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙.R*R:K:f7ks
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書!t `9I;u#{8BK
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
x.x c}d 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
)p.x]9Rj"yO"u 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
|X.nx)BaXk 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,MY\2kb%m+`$c
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他.. k9j@:F w\;kr
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
[ZG'eD&K.U 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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s-~2e4{.e2MC \ | 這題目矛盾的地方是:
hxf!c;DcE#vE 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
q:_XD4r 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:'iU O m6hr.B
這題目矛盾的地方是:3n @D&U:h'O%QAb
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
"lx{W5SRwn 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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$pE)ak uc 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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3\.[-b)a Rd*n8Om 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層+mkN j9Z}}QE%ez
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM::_1{ ^DE9fl
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d#_ j9P/s 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
;g5eUmL [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]+i6~#E[R2D
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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:Ls1u/En(o'Z [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]f3~$F+n#awYE

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
(k}+Q^m"F but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
y]U$H({2`7J2k If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
C}7Zg+UV0O em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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世界各地個 d 天才兒童1E0p9UTS
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人%IB%FW` Q@"I
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VXR$Y8C?9@5l[gX 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:pAr${n%h8m
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
@X/p:rJQ but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoW5@&}F$Ca*X{
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No5y/w:jnZ|
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed8f#h"G;iY,T\/w)K
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
:\q zZRUs People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力UP$s4[x&XHR6X,n
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
m0W`;eQd 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
JddL4Z E|4X 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
jJ4OX(lzj:h 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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v,g5L#}o(`"y I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:!T(T8BRvU~.R
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No4oh3\6Np2h}6WBr}"R%|
只要肯 ... [/quote]D4x _(y*apmh(|;^

$rcG1a:G(UXR#Gr,z 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
+o"Db2OT;a*zYo 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行5K!v3F;z u N-k.oa(d
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,vSL"pK+A_.u
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次q2H|4MW-o"w2[
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍*P]q;~W"s
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
UO1@LD'mz f:Y Z 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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;\U+uN1? qOK-Cv 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 L@)i3ju N7LN`7g

H6k{#C Bu 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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Fa*e{f*Z}#D8R 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻wE6}~ |'o
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現E]-O.N E*Ylj"s
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
I f-A9Gkf$O 去左邊?
e&glt)W/z;QX 當年聯既沙柏
Q({QW2p|\4g 係最佳年輕球員WfY%{w? \
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運
\wsb)c3byYQ 都係死......
@c2V(a){%S$P2D 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否TsuO&J'@Bnq
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{.Z.My!o;? { 至少
3f0q$x4i9^;P 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
$lF-D4G_.L` 而且
L+G2m5bdju:].n 其實好多時#U7wLo/X%sSW
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才y k-C8T(~g)?8B-z
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
2r]i']'f.M%Ln 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
lRc6f4cx 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻)x n3IzkP
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs..lG!|2d_ rL/e
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
E)pk)Z8{;k.N right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:!T5BZ^P\o
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He took drugs..
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R Vq h$M#[6tD 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
*v5Y'U!y-`1~8yqd#H 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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I1u x6S i(n&@ [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
c,pD"CIw;epL7B 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]_D U'n^9z3m ]`7U
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解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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~(Ef#t1Y [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
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