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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力7|!a&t`]-dypz
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙hIi6Jv&H0s

\&^ U\Dj&_ @ 大家覺得:2UjFh+IZ4x.W
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
d Es `0r2s_ C2o 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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)Q1E'R:Bs#M"kk#_ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
'hyJ*w6_\#g 你覺得邊樣重要?
4r \(R:G Hu 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人, sU.VGZ!r
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?&w$N SS$zv yf
有無成功/失敗既例子?LdtpfF {&Tc
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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我諗會幾有分加;)D)E%]TgYV ]9Q
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
nWRb9?V4T 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~3s(QJg&qnM hx*~
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~!U+K!KZ*H9d;H
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~QJ_ })P-L ~
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
M Z]5M M@0S 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
a/lyv^5}"q 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
pdu-zB.?$g 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
"d%uC@9peg 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙;v+|Z5GI4H l8M
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
H2|%qL6X/C 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層S fU-Q*R{"e
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:LOoFc ?
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]@ lM f{Dfn)k
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
]\?C#mX#? 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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W(Y5Qq[&yRUi l 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
gS9blfp0S:F*u,t 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得C{6C%[.f2T4C
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
nf$aygL{ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
7Xj;L/Hb 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
%O tU Nh^1j 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高 U5r-TgF1q
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
4` @'u+l/^(G 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
dr2Qj2XSG3t 咁又係~~4n,QzO:Y(Hz#i
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
:I G3l!a~"{_5S 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦)FY| Q8~V/s
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星Pk Uk,l
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙4D3kN1tnpmx1K
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
6nl$H8]|+Z:taO 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
u3Y b3E#U5xS'p/QLD 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
!Z/cHZ'Y"ed'Q 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.C?$u.q"h.@1T
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
+I6}0su$s Z4v 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..$i-K0QOD S3sl
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力fC-o7f5Ns
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
FW%L3P7S 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
Fzc rMY(x^7W 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:{^W"KXa(U
這題目矛盾的地方是:
*m3NOG^ YO4a 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力Zo1X@Q3lN
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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*~S)oPv?4o\U[.yI 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 ]_M/T-f~+W
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層 eF7Yrk*A*n
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層/RA8P$]Jm;P W
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實/y,eZ _ xI

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:'|!?"JAj/S0v1p

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
D:^u.?N!I-K [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]P"t]mP
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]Iy!@8R3v
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
1l9cR7cj#MS [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]8QD`-]&RnI5o

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
_bmp7c,i but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
%} pR3\?x If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
_ L5NX5ui4f4\q em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要&HiiVi{

k M;O!c*Ug 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
3S Ljgkc#d(`6I6g 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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!G3}`#B @[8x,cRk+v 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
DS#}#vf#CL 一日付出 24 小時去溫
7[Q \7u}5n l 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
o ULr"\,x 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only0CR^R"o)qo7AD
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
8csY;JZm j but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoiZzU@@-Dn
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
a9p\ v;b|RyH It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
T Nl`I _ People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力!jQeonUil:G
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力v%l$Hs7o0E2w7f y
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
-Mb|'Ii,v 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:\j H7CMg4v!B)LP
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
"yq5a N$V3z~9[.p 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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!g*f(zIb{ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:9G$X6r&FwQ
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No;Z pz Y#sg
只要肯 ... [/quote]+r Ck{|C!Y`5P

up%[{)Lu_ 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
`c!PIC'` 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行\j$^2wbh8jR*_ee[
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
6y l0X4cy 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
Js'G~UM 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍V8x4A&T{6Df
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
i5zo$Kz#?'y@P 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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BB4F)A,sn;hD 《傷仲永》
6o"VKZ4xP3gP 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 -B,T&h&W'h!E

.F4Z"ff/bo&x 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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[:g}#{bXd 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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書解:4O+~R%yP[#?
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻n;P)r k7S Bq.b
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
x}3z nx |,rZq*j 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
w*s8m|P2A?H(q`A 去左邊?$BA]2n[7CF c
當年聯既沙柏0QTj+ZA
係最佳年輕球員
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有天份但係冇好運6j^z!kq G,dL4\
都係死......I y6VK_
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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:M.?kFK4pu1M 同埋
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
!@"X0] NP%I+fg"y 而且
!E|e+`:_uN } 其實好多時5B,g+X/@,uY
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
%Z:l:J$MFqF 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人Z%R)j[7tBsx;Q?&^
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
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年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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,F#d ]j"b7R well, Lee Sharpe?6N{$j:n Z6H(S[
He took drugs..I`s%?7xT1O6c+@hm
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....2Q4L&Sh$C9U^x/{
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
dZHW;LyS#D/GH well, Lee Sharpe?4fU_C9W8i,h8|D
He took drugs..
-\ufv9f b p then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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#]6|tN ipF [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.. L$i |g#Y4rCt,h
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]ledi%[D Ao*e7W
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街"e4tS Bfb
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] lI!~'z9zm~f
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…2H_ x1W;D2Q~3l&Yq
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:L2CZw7i$C1x6k0D

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