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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力o k Q\cL)m[6m
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙5bu9|1U1Y
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~tRV(Wm xJ#n9L 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
,wB4] y yt 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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+a)\.H@J7k%{ 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
oZM1Tw 你覺得邊樣重要?
Pm`"tZ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,*B j0RTD
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
_9Fi;U.day 有無成功/失敗既例子?9wD[v!@WB
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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m5Hd*Q/eL 希望大家俾心機答:D
:@Y:q W1AdB,n 我諗會幾有分加;)8}[%JqzR EZ ~"D i
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:DXA;y7Y8v'Ze`4T
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
[}a[I^O 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~$[)pl"j_"~J
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
.O+p9I%RM7o K 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
1B*z"X;KQ7U 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~+^'x+Z!Cf
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~9W B"T-xH5o'a[
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=r-~1w(hFrge
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
L#I1a6n/e2M%Pd0i 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星6G!G2u*l^hg
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙&bc&B/H,I
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 B ]3]H\_
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
T*j6@%nSGnN] h 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
nS/e h%Z 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
5@a.BS _MX 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???9k:S@^/f0gM%xAJ
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???;_$d!] _&KQO
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote];VLcS$E ^*l BmW~

9V"s0WW%{o#q 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得p}Vm:bP&n2W
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
"H+vqo_ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
sh0pc*Z1KJu W 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
F h R4]Q8qR 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
/H`5}u*F@;}-@ [!] 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
_yBtl_"Z 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:)et d/l] _*hA!c
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}9X8r9yOh 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
4t"X(A {?7Tz 咁又係~~%_6nQ3hzU
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
g{,y Q@-Y7^k@4bO 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
0hP$NH+K 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
(K&I}A)~:bSn 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
8Y4k1y _'N 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書1km~UO
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層$vs h%o#D]7tBV1p
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]9A?p5h y\|*^
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用運動是很好的例子:DU4oa d,FGvi
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.:PrD#C/s.{2o!b
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,IrY MBs4a2XOZ O
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力K D/nt(i.ncz
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...MR[U,k7g~

$tmS+~,h5NC7hr_8U 這題目矛盾的地方是:
R1y Li:_.y 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
d"C Q)gyB q6J ? 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
L&BL:EHC1a 這題目矛盾的地方是:
]1T i,n h 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力J0K3U"`:B*s L
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
/Z)~[3]#a1Qu*eqF.g 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層T+j8x5a}&CdoE]_
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
"@)rK {J"z7TU%s8F\ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM: tS?}T+\
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\ULh*ze7eZ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
!DXCfTf*DM'D:a1O [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
:a[Q0}I _ [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], %P_"S6LnWU%sF
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
A a`RN?.D but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university._-GLK] { k
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
_A_#A:s [Ee em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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w/e;N,q!O 世界各地個 d 天才兒童W`9\2\C|N._
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人-^a^PI P._Q.I
一日付出 24 小時去溫/b5r*jwB!@T
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
e,v!j,E1T%I3L;O 聰明重要o7Gas6Y

0}:FyT7Eda)T&n}c(| 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
s} V!d6K:?w ... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only cx-k3Z#G"o5|vc1c
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.\ VBi:Re'I [8H
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No `j:]*lG$BX%a!ZT
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NopO!e ? ]@)~
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedP#Kj.Hu~
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力#D]o#u~Tr3v-`}r
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
m/t_&q?#N&{S#P People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
3EfsP^kK 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
? [B;d3^b#{ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
lL"Z }K 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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Kd9Gi5Sa'h\"ts I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
_%X,M+`1l 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
cK$_xN:r T2^1c6C 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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B)F)N+t!JW 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功$i*qXu/O8}^]*v F t/W!T,H
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行7~6O;A.`r3Jg
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,!z9^-n3YL$rtx8?"y
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
[H;};z6k8X(LR 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
0d"g2wBB"L?|f 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在j(l t'xG
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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x.C `5s2h;By|&m] 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。,f{3i[zU(x!G$g K%D
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?-y&aj&X[
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書解:
{w`:q7s|5|h0U 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
v8s] w7~C-k*Tn 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現vZO)e!k}+]\
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱$H%P8\KD| ua
去左邊?6a]|r MM(R g1|
當年聯既沙柏F2Fs8pAL9yn
係最佳年輕球員
*mE9A\ya,v/}py%K 之後又點呢?6a;C2s$nf`{)j

D_P"P:s$\%w H&^ 小弟想講既係U(fr:j8U1rH
有天份但係冇好運:Iw5LS w
都係死......
c Liu3N,UW"Z8W 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否)G1I'v#Q(Fs#[
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
9AC#t0M$r#GD| 至少
l.Pn[$c9hf bp3l 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧]2zb}/d(l-N!B k
而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才;B(n/^5m[rb8eE
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
hs_&yzGAm;X0@0Ov 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:u4[jcek:A8U3N#V
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
fj{/l7M+Y 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]ym bms7n
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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]B9Ik)G:J\R.y then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career..... NP!{E9H1q!Pt
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:%? ~I8i,^|tO)D)l X P
well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....2] Y [PB} h*g2m#W
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs.B7HOMi K,K
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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tw0t1^\` [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
W}5^ Tr3@ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]3O cO j-Y eA(t7bi6t

&xknFzu\ [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
{GTb7k$Q.VE;|E 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]H%\c ~O O8a
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…tG[ DN Xl6FQ
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:LUyziI;`
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