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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
6t6I}Q1?t8] 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:F-QwVM!k-f9Vm
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
b M%o`H9Q \ @ U 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?.r ?nS{6X:s(Cd+cau
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jK8Y(B5_z 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
$RANa&h W,y 你覺得邊樣重要?
]"V+O,^ nz[?e{ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
-U7g!pJ[O 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?fC$w'?'q&|3L
有無成功/失敗既例子?
p.X:b tzf3d$K7U 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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_F(y(O$B |k!Db%d4v 希望大家俾心機答:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
dTt@(l)Y 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~xpxJ}dz*U+iT
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ o,me"AG_Zh
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
}2H })^yW@4m0[(V 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~m8YY[8r
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
8f D,b%f?-Go Ac 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=S&W.cHU3`5R
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
7~i9V*vw1`%S&D 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
8smEW!c2mw\(@ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
4|if%n1y 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書qc/G,K}aS^5N
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
~U6^ gCcY3| 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:M%f4D5b qJ
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
(`mP/e7XLs,u![D 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???zz&k_I |9})K Z
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:hi*Oa1s|;xu

:| Tw J FZ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???,LlKV0Ixm}
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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[v*hF$F9L6yF.C 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
|#LUT,?4b 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
O0kJV f9[ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
s(uf'^;g_/A`,~ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高#B:a V h4A&{K)WL
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高;?k LS*t&w}"S
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
j x4v0qT3Nq 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
D#R O{/yoZ 咁又係~~
HmbeXB#z D 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM: a(p6Q+PN2z%Feh
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
7Tb Hy y.L 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
9P Ai0Ulh 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
Q"pB Z0R'WZ'| 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 P2vQ,v(`
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
`n|y_3y 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]f7`#dB8QX;s
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用運動是很好的例子:D
Li| ~w!WdJwr 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
TG7o"r;k6_3Jn 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
Nr3s7sQ e{ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他.. s&t f? O9K

$b+Ar5lx 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力Y}.t;R kP3{4s
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...V f7zP'jZm)j{
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這題目矛盾的地方是:M1|j+q(w N:i)_#H,c
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力P.?4@:a&rW?3g a'N$A
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:~U'j-R(WwUKKv3ve
這題目矛盾的地方是:
+Q,mx^oZ P;R|J 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力A [`,SJ5Cn7}3h.V
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
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有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實,`1i%S4h N(Kg
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:9x'lQ1n9eu

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野llzr3m
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
YS ]T&P Tr5mT\ [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], R P*gK\s'@
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.&a!aeb;? uDm;X
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
'W(a;SS qlra If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.khuH*r V#m
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
0I4H*K{cw 一日付出 24 小時去溫
9v$j3a$KkdP@.e 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
yx*U3D+NNg8L7C8Ms 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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*vT T5j)N|p3k!O2] Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
+d%X$d*a{ everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
knI ? m but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
,o%m)@ E ]XbO z 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? Noi%L~9N+BI
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedoX%Ae!LnE
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
Z ~2KM:K| People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
C0J]b,|)kW j,[ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
H/{;N5M1lz 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:k1[o)e;u$D)a}3J
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
R6P:s j&q8ipIQ)b 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
EIm'I8h6J'~W 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noz*W,P&[4z Z
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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?-V#_ }_sU 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功_.EI ot1[/D @
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
e3yX y#P N/Rk S 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
*vQ O[C [ DZ,Z 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次,D2]"[n/^^
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍eb{-G})O
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在*S0``9~%wO(z.m,r9v&|
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理8J9ql(D[

$yZ9ZN%@[4\+TXW 《傷仲永》
B4B&f-L#N*g 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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;uKD-l_5Ne 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。e"g:pY \y(@

\KAE'Y s8g s#O;ti 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 6rk~1b5D#d0c

menP4ww W ` 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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"C/\%j4|5MpXT!D 書解:
)Y/}-sE} Y SwKU 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
m(JF H}N 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現_w"x?3Es)P
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱U+|CUM z"s+R
去左邊?
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j w Iaq;l(d9| q 係最佳年輕球員1j&i.p2P0[1i$L
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運
O9E"C3Qd7C[!f'wgBS 都係死......
'F:Ik,NY6y-G 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否3bv!\5q X7}

IF*z#alS 同埋
8Q%m"D(ht'{l 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時
YZ.La8n^e-et 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才 zy9JS.d[x.{d7p
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
7\K5aG7V8dL)x 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17: s6V-g;^xs!O5m(tZH
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
-TJ:PxHq 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]:{V%e^ E
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well, Lee Sharpe?
'p @h)g'b8Ew He took drugs..
PR4WK+c9i:V then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
1SI~:d"W&Qu4R right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:]z]6K1qy'[i;S
well, Lee Sharpe?
Z5G|8~&OW2o He took drugs..
-O{Sn F gGY then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....7|oGg4V/MQ S0r@
right?! [/quote]m%y7i7{[g6~l t
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsO4QE2|-H
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..]w8jyxMl!AP6o
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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2v l4K Y,M @R1a [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街 {pdpK!];D#i0r[$`
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]^B5lm@ o"[ S/T

#_^h Y@4i9[8H [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
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