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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
Fuo Mcl*zA 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙f"O'Va^ X

tBN `.n'S*}A 大家覺得:l(Z0H k*wl+`
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
+p'mE:T)hpk 你覺得邊樣重要?gk/TQ7g^0c
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,hp2G-[-_IH
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
*x~ k`5uX#N*k#l 有無成功/失敗既例子?5B$u@7P#hj Y
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?/q wg6f H7Z"KZ

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希望大家俾心機答:D
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4H_F.p_"NPZ 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:DI2K%Y'_r,p

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
]My D?s6T-d)[ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~ Eo~e U^A
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
3B+v Fv$E0C'fNW 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~}3m5FR+B @4`
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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t7jr0} gP|_c[6b B%P 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
[b4m,f7^ 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=%R,zz^ak
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦q#o0@V{ ]
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星:B ~l)_Z
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
d V:|%N+eU_\%l 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
xaPyc 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層(AYG1hw w a{*N
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:s0UlC^hT
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]h6ol-_&VGgT3L |
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
]W!qJ5xFdSi8[ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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0sM;a0J ]W+D 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???1^ i;x x;];~
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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C.RW/bm_s 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 S`x$f*d N
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁A4@8p6p4{_!N;R3X
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
g {#zm;c 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
5z\l"]Z3u&F 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高*w9d2bV)fK
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的)}f!b {R N
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:+F5}2Y6L~2{5z[
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2{}/L My.lo)i 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote],{ B&o.s2SL/u*kec
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:rk b M)f+I
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
)KsCy b*v 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
#^_;].jo9w7a~-n 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
XK.k9BhX 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
@.v3{A"fR 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層JUsFRRq!^
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]P)P5`O LaP(B;H og

Qp0f }X;xT 用運動是很好的例子:D(FW9}$Mt X"A!jtjH
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
1C+s0oK,` |)P:O 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
'?_ |N"mNo&or-H 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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&]-er8z;ys 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
7pcJgoJ0\.| h 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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k2o&dS-TV 這題目矛盾的地方是:z?v1eD]
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
[ac!fIe[+` f 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
B!yBe7uM(B 這題目矛盾的地方是:2f{ M1\4g(m"t\
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
D4|il ty5gVU 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
6Y%D2y2b&w)f;t 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層\[N,iThL6D Yh @9T
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層"Ptb0~LJva%Q
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實 ?J \&gEhR,N

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
,LcL4u2M*yd [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color] Z{#iH1h*l
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]W!~jA%c O6R a L?;mH

jY7w:p(T;i [w [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], 0Y l#?%G6U+r|#[~2@
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
e%rDKp(} but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
)G-u.qv J] If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
P(NJVWsvI em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
L8}H%L%Y5A)T~:F!b 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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yw$~J@!T'F 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
'UiY$r!A/W 一日付出 24 小時去溫egDU0q!y%A&f
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
7{&F+IHe 聰明重要n@%^XGi
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童@ko&d(Ovet
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C(Fb:HsXz/y Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
_!JPt+^"Q everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.6v I I@D7fu
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
a~X t)N-L!qI 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
a/t Ml5eNtE It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
a/r2e.u7n@yP People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
)VJ3r0W R/x1Cx Rn People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
lb1G+j5E]vU People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
s,W7tJP"MdY"_#s;i 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52: VA&Edw)Fz2l
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
jV#[|a Ww`l 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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"Dk(QBwCq I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
O/}lz?K 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
1Z T O7|!wJ8p:f'`*ko 只要肯 ... [/quote]m3dg&RFX(s
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功Bu| Bw,W9G.b
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行 d.ga8bog| N Dk
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,ss _A*UvI
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次7] z YW3z8a R:Zm
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍%Z;c%z,? nzF
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在 d+og@Q&E
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理U6Q.}R/y;nT3b

-d/`#I,h,{5uO/t8M 《傷仲永》
.J%ogD1?+RZJ*A6s1A 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 *Zz U.CLTy$F*NR

,`-G4_%{$P}V_ 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。s3Kr pG i

1Pn:JsX-~ n 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 ]A;m^@#D
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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書解:
m? P6J6cx~4C 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻5F _(A)wE(Yw.a
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現,N1w X:aX7[KP
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
?WL7P9\;N 去左邊?%|?y7AM;G.I
當年聯既沙柏(i3Pv"\1a;ko
係最佳年輕球員{1FOT:MLTc
之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係'C"b `dV!uU X x1K"c
有天份但係冇好運
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6z$t+f C'z0{ 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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.cc+xk,Sf*] 同埋
3Uu-p1o g`Yl 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
@q}0j#G5_C/qy4r\ 至少 @ lPX"@[
有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧)JX6p$kd8L3ruM
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其實好多時3Y(]2XcK?M}
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
n`/`x4b-Ab 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
)qs%j'_2l4[}%xA A.E 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
7c8Q-~Z K_d6W(H 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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He took drugs.. Fe K8H2Z6W3[;i
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....v tvto$x5hI
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
(t,d7yon*uuEMo m well, Lee Sharpe?
(S#]v`M+yA He took drugs..-\uZN9oW~)Ex
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....RW\6{)}8O2b$kU
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
2isQD#F-@k 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]*R\2R w:u;CQAl
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..A9} pEa$f W
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]v+X,Q9O5O0S%A
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街zS~B-J ^1tRPy p7G&I(?
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]4Jnr6P}
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
{W;?5a^ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:M0GXg3W,]muwa
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