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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力)j s{M;\+Y3d,qE
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
&I&@B$?4c&P4ye 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
+n;p4`)PW6k-R}`0h 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:$^ R.t u&vn}
你覺得邊樣重要?
H7z.U6koprY 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人, D3t ga1s YG6p
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
L@r4w#G;rs$\ 有無成功/失敗既例子?
r?)WSUM 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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E;h0H(Gqjg 希望大家俾心機答:Dc:r'Z;Pu}L
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is#A _&Zk`9x+O%J *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D |&X%}0e-J%^i R"P
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~V2g u${KMl
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~:H!?$t8GFg,ibB9J
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ U:\2Im/chw
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~8tFKJn(aDK k
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
_Z'~x t?X G 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
c*PR,Z)[7}(M1Tf 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦(SR-{B,|q
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
t5?0v"pQ*ob#oi6m 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 uy8_ Y#wy
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 |B/~l` I3y
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層~:`&lYXv%g0E9@3O
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:p S/k)U |~!]0^x
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]"U3a6v,v2z4[e
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
[vbk%ys 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM: k&Xce"P7G]

"p nsPI0a U 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
"~0?v*xI z T,T 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]BsS0z:pYd}t5A

/@3S2lo e 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得bjA u:STI
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
y4DT t_ Y%v/{ZK 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
Ax l1Z0L@ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高q7zv4I e
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高0U#M\b,~
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的#m.KZ [S!N_
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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&W1O L8OD 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
T*B\2OQ/[B 咁又係~~3L!COjAei
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
}kk1|,dv 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
W z1p8w-pp_xQ$d 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
'v5g9e&O6p ` 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
)z+{F/B4{\S 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
V8eHb#V0x 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
0c$h6@LQ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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UQ5lXf%F\ 用運動是很好的例子:D
rbN yj~U 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
%o[ Ae/m j{ 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,M3L#ts U_vp?"R
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..$@7S2ka2t `

u U6O&M6O1\'^ 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力QU0m5x.`x
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...%Kcm)Nc Cj

U;pvon%QfX 這題目矛盾的地方是:N@uS:^ q@1b
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
^$kPuj 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
Ge7fxS6ZR*hy 這題目矛盾的地方是:
"_C,?7_j-v o(g\ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
V*key4H oW({ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]h&H&fB.v U9Ocl*G
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
nM'U.y8Ou@fy(a 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
#qt:JX r+z^ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層 _X-TXB&jGl
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實JxOE3OO

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:3bJ%KZ)X7{c1bk%I/}

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
~#T k4Z n5m~ br [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]2} l9a6r e8I
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]6E"Il(n*?-Lra0f9N

6B4LOAl'd7}J [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], yEA0x[5F-g
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.pn/EZ)rA8~
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university. H*r`;GxD
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.w{4V:G1q1qV
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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$@wlg7B:l Ld 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
A r K!}'c 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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#e;n;YI8d z 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
c1b%xB2T 一日付出 24 小時去溫
0u`-\(k"H/h0u8tp 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:$B8E;L7h\E;A
聰明重要
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vqt,k(L*xa i vj$WG2M 世界各地個 d 天才兒童 yFa;O+o E9W6c
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ChHl}6R)?.k Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
7B K,n Q3s'x`i;a,O everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
g'^K2b7Z&al%h,t but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
F|6sD(\{ K6H 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? Noc$[jE!a@"J
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedx4K/ohtK
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力5B/d4^C8La)_'t
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
2T/QH%dca8Pns People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifey%?}n%lwYo
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:|:B1`/tE4]&j {
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No0e b3\#`,[/cBz.C}
只要肯 ... [/quote] m+z8l Y-_.e.U']D4NW

^6D#`o*o5B| E5\ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:6uD9vegH
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
x^sFp6W 只要肯 ... [/quote]t+};q T D{$Wm
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功\6].ntwAI
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行 HF:j z"EI C
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,{%j C!@P*m&K2H4i
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次9Rt$L!S.L
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
I ?I|O 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
$O9m*K9j&w E4s_gX 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理0v%w:w ~"w

I$_N!DO 《傷仲永》 I'A)WcK/q3Fq3u%v6J
金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 s;oA"r/YRK.g
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。yj(e9iD4vu]\u
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 s#~_fe?D!]%FQ5X7k

vaM,afgR 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?~)w}dHqQzB1m
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d,}1K S1qF1Ksf#p 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
u%ng*o%|` 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
^;jDiJ Y@_%L*V 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
Q2sSfkC C*H+tc;O 去左邊?rej0F)d.K NL;[1u#u
當年聯既沙柏
%ybW6]_jL 係最佳年輕球員&m{4V_0Ba
之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係BS%tEil$m\sj
有天份但係冇好運$ifFMo IgNx
都係死......v9l-c:D D4u+Cw
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否Vs4[(\3@Gp

VX ?gQu 同埋
5u}K A"Y o?xS,mV[ 小弟覺得天份緊要一點@z {b`JO m
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o{9m&}k9]6_Geh(k` 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧%l3si*~Ny @:R
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其實好多時
0z2b?h\.| ]:W-i 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
kq#Ntg$w]WK/Y 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人 }-]_ Z6p0q%g0M
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
hZfoIzq ciZMB 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻 {\2Xvfc
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]$hU4B$u0a(O+S,PZl0x

bi8aw,s&?-a well, Lee Sharpe?*}9Y ~S4tRe'qko |V5U&@
He took drugs..(}/LK8j0F(A^
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....*`9xf\nzT
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:`6q${V7`m A x
well, Lee Sharpe?n$I!r~[2F
He took drugs..
iG/E5BM V1aiv&g then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
0Q+` x5~R)C a@| right?! [/quote]_5o ~5ac"ZZ t"Tg

t\E#~"Fw 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs}#Gu$a2o3P5hX
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..'QLG?5UbOC
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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xKW1JI|R'M [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街1OV~}W~
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]Ho0x4Fm&A
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…LUnU-|4Z L?
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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