[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?
好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力o k Q\cL)m[6m又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙5bu9|1U1Y
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大家覺得:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? 還是
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
希望大家討論下, 分享下:
你覺得邊樣重要?
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,*B j0RTD
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
有無成功/失敗既例子?9wD[v!@WB
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
希望大家俾心機答:D
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[[i] Last edited by 樂壇渣Fit人 on 2005-4-23 at 01:33 PM [/i]] 我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~$[)pl"j_"~J
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~+^'x+Z!Cf
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~9WB"T-xH5o'a[
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=r-~1w(hFrge
以上只係我o既分享:P 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星6G!G2u*l^hg
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙&bc&B/H,I
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 B ]3]H\_
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???9k:S@^/f0gM%xAJ
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???;_$d!]_&KQO
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote];VLc S$E ^*lBmW~
呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得p}Vm:bP&n2W
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:42 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:)et d/l] _*hA!c
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.= [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書1km~UO
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層$v s h%o#D]7tBV1p
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]9A?p5h y\|*^
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用運動是很好的例子:DU4oad,FGvi
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.:PrD#C/s.{2o!b
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,IrY MBs4a2XOZ O
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力K D/nt(i.ncz
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...MR[U,k7g~
這題目矛盾的地方是:
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理 [quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
這題目矛盾的地方是:
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力J0K3U"`:B*s L
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層T+j8x5a}&CdoE]_
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:39 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM: tS?}T+\
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], %P_"S6LnWU%sF
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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[[i] Last edited by crap on 2005-4-21 at 04:47 PM [/i]] talent, yes, it's really important.
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university._-GLK] { k
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important 聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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可唔可以咁樣呢? [quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.\VBi:Re'I [8H
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing...... 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No`j:]*lG$BX%a!ZT
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NopO!e ? ]@)~
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedP#K j.Hu~
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力#D]o#u~Tr3v-`}r
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
只要肯 ... [/quote]
I am supporting what you are talking about!!! [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
只要肯 ... [/quote]
當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功$i*qXu/O8}^]*vFt/W!T,H
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行7~6O;A.`r3Jg
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你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在j(lt'xG
然後全力向前衝 做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力 [quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:u4[jcek:A8U3N#V
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