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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力)QN`GM q
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙"Y)K+N:JyZr0r

p3y_,LW|)n)w$Fq 大家覺得:v.]JwpnU
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是 ]i|Bw8M4FPL;O q
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
v!{ltkD 你覺得邊樣重要?
C$q0H4ku^ yG7t^ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,h-l3gb&nX4U9PP@
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
4PX.Z i\`t;{4c V 有無成功/失敗既例子?Zl3JU1LC;BD(v
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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l%y4L]-W;C\,@ *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~7zM ip6N_
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~j7b }e(Ls,Q
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~.{b6b/C,z!SY2v g
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ BYyl#~Pu
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~ Ru YQd l9K@

%Lie$XG1{| 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
7m6K Ri*O(cM#O/G 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=(z L n xc
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦7O3V DWt{,R1] ~B
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
5C{ j$`?)D*EC 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
S[%d4j![IdR 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
,v;lX5i$@f 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層%} L]6X~#F$T
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
3Z3n;{u @*K 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote] pwj@P#g'^P
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
0e9F+\%P| O(g6kBp4mJ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:y(lmCyXa;e

$e)N,I!U_ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
?5P1C'd7q@3W/z'z3e2A 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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0JS+P*Si+^K5] 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
1Y$XO,~X&Lt)qZ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁yn8XBU3~UT,\T
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
:pT v&B4H4nq 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
J-B0F!AH*I^ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
wy[ a wvGd 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的kYJD"x$w:I~d y
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平'z$\.Ri_(Q&ab
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]jo%K4C yj
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:0A-tXs.W6aq.mP
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
"R4[]b M 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
]"a2t(t?}m,mLm,n 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
$|(g/z E"HW(J 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書N T)hs%B`D
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層9g([Xu8fr'O
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote][PV d mnb

u.n_(Z!KU6f J1{1c 用運動是很好的例子:D#BeRK1CK!u2[zb
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.*_ l2Ws)`g
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,X}_bw1E-V
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力]RX8| K:Qy"v
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
fa#i7B%x?l M5l4H 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力l,M'eYfL'p
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
n"`{y W$d 這題目矛盾的地方是:
'T,aX^?3ULt 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力2};[E~:gE
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]#S[&?a\,nQ
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
*BOm!f-L2[.L 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
T$G?6|qvWA H6ON5YN 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
,Qz*@]-Qykk 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實g3v%vTxgZ Z~

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:4pH|H:k
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
jr|i$vI but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.-_t|'k%tW(R
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
I/B*V^)z[n)z em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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Ya$? [ k6CF 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:?v1R(rb9y
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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$c4YrUnv Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only1v `)E#E!l,v
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
5}$k]9O"\\ n.Nw but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No2Tv;x*l8@J7a$I
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NoW?ph l5w-^2T
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed d W3KEN
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
+g%\}.U J People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
:h6];j4wBm People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life w s P)Mvz8R @9`p6F
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
L.s E+k _ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
"Y?? D:D*| 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
?~~yv)Qh{?*L-u 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No/D e/pv'B"e
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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#W1N-LSW"r 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功,b;Cs'i;`*W6`
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
HDA Fcy M 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
3V&d"]$HUSn N 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次wIj2n*]k g g)dM
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
g3c0sSN 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
)Zs o+L:qp;[mG 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理(u ])Pi Prfl

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g)E\T Ar p 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 ai]y!J1Y$T+A

,@a+V4Ck%Dd1c$k 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。0@9x!MD9g^L yaens%~
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?/CbIe6J

K0~QK&} 書解:n5Kk&OYO
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻4cJ5s)Y W OeC$a|
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現t:}7~&^*xTh9[L
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱3N%nxk[ A8g*`
去左邊?
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qz(O2om"lq&[ 係最佳年輕球員
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m.O*k j t'] 小弟想講既係
] o!B vRd \,D3Q,v 有天份但係冇好運
aXj9S;F!L"nR 都係死......
k h3nZ G_Z 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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"M8|/oIp ]4cH_7}0Jq 同埋,tv _On*C8@
小弟覺得天份緊要一點 c:t}C7JM
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R{^F {+P 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
'g5i.ci&qt 而且
'h z3I"aS/N'h 其實好多時
M9?o(B _hJ8W t 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
aJF | V*[sQ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人ct(i&?SW3}7l
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
"x(_6RwR ` 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....4A@8a,mn g5g @Gi,G{
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
)@9h.n}l$Z!o{ well, Lee Sharpe?
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&mq1mfZWD then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....tI]9d L@[5}
right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
6W+N"pB o 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]|{ ^;_?k
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
/Ce9Rj,_ v![ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]&Rqvv#A Gm&N J

`.ohOy/W$x9]Wb { [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
M%T| rV'Z f 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]!Aq*[Mv5t

[?J#|9F@5^ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
nSh9`PG 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:%h'};j uV O
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