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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
oz;]$`1]y1A 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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2m/v HO*q;J 大家覺得:
{ZAUY(r T-vj a 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
G4b8Nx2z!jK 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?K M k5J'F&^

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^)N k Ep_CvPf 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
O4S%M/CkL 你覺得邊樣重要?
k"l5_r6g3E 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,,v4Elq9|(q
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?|\9{fBE
有無成功/失敗既例子?
`A,eh&f*{z 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?gpT5d4o4gg;g$r
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PF(x$_ A w dR7]q 希望大家俾心機答:Dv+z ]:g*u D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~E/S0l3~ j c+y
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
+N_S"ly?0E{ 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
z-nR+I:Gi!d_ 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~,v(C Bv7m q*a[$kR
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~.C&y:j&f%~~r

9WVN9y)TU 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~_I }zoAM
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
TQ)Yu_3sV 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 F,IA,kwR A }6I
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
Gq@+Plj 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙\4@2j/ah2t#\
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書$Q[7UD#j6j
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
Pg9yR.|^ U R&\(Kv 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:)R X[_!D(B5W
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote] ];]3hC"b3Q
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???g-p\XKHwu
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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h](e!X-`X` 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
O C b1as3AwG{sS7n 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]:S ?x}NO/U6z*}
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
,VT$rr K:f 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
$a`}9n!CF-w 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低_/o(@$UKf.m
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
wtX8X]B 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
c*G4v#f5xy v 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
*eF'FW3[&F7Ev 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:5M"G2}Op[ }#`Z

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_F2?i]&h+? 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]H0~$~(r l#g
咁又係~~
EhU1E5D{ 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:&s}L&tQ C G)NW"N3Q-C
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
R&ub5n C n+o 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星+yv)D)@T9K)f
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
x3gFj+F#~w)]c 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書?!f;g[_m y7_ O j
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
UO5q/{{ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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e6~Ejr5j 用運動是很好的例子:D
&E0E(DlN2M9C6c,[ 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.5w,p{`c@ x^4S }
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
E-B+H0p/rf _u3S 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..]LC6I{@O2]
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
/g _ m\n4h 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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gEI4z1x.rQ 這題目矛盾的地方是:
f4[f:I3b*z |;H~#W 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
2wO?] @`2R 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
4Hf5vG!rg.l V9| 這題目矛盾的地方是:
`j9H8z av%|7h 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
i _$ha|*~ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
@:W*T8Z,M7JI*Xk 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層s,C3[0uc5iZ{kxc r
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
\ M2Y(g H S$] 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:+}-`(lp;fqzh d

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
)eTw%U` [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
lQ*Eq8LTI"\+c ^ [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote] S7^#o#g%in{?d
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
s8D z5Y:@F5H"B [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
7c k;l+S&j but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
)h.A:ck&u If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
"I.?*j)xn$D+a em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地\+B&O,z Tu^4G
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:Z!t*OOq}q2|4b+Vj
聰明重要uo9d$p'a @,o8p [

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... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only!eVqT7p c
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.`(wn)pR-i
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoB-Kn.UB/f&my FT
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
AUX0HF It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed z]{ o'M.r2w g
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力y n l%K!P-w6e\"Li
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力v8t\,Q|
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
ep6w5z/WZ/\ `9H 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
2G4{(mwx 只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoI/F5N Mq0L
只要肯 ... [/quote](q J|1y;Oa

b;t Y[d\d I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
I*^ nlYJ8W 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No~;h6B`$B a
只要肯 ... [/quote]`Oy-J G#TX
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
8~tw.d:iz wX6rt 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行|G_W3_0P
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
z*\-l `4h`:L2T 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次B+Kk'A"fh
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
\-d{1N"w Uo 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在[)w1T:je"Ar J"}
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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n@,d3F#]-c_ 《傷仲永》 8IF Kt&d2|7\
金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。8Lp X'h7?!p&Sw

:]/P8WC ? 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?2aPx0u y/F9g
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
hi qSW:u7z2E E*K5a 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現fT5L;ix+E4q
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
Qk!jQ~x 去左邊?3^f O!vxsHk
當年聯既沙柏
8p-f;~Q.sE1By\ 係最佳年輕球員.Z8iN'v^-[,y+^x5T
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運B? [ Q4z [
都係死......1dkWE ]!AH
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否0d rio-n!MA?
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
H%QQiDz&_,E 至少
!OJ_Y` 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧+h"a tI c
而且
4Z\J)aQ7F,L 其實好多時XT H:Q:L
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才P Gb$mz3aV#k"_
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人.m|5h%j(h
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:5W*o@sq"jz Z.tM
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻fyr%_cRd0EI y
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]3yQ+o@?q

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He took drugs..
Jf+G\ h6x then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
)loJ Q ?;n,ezbs` right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:-CM4id(aX6[
well, Lee Sharpe?
9zo| k3v WrFK He took drugs..
#A wf,QV then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
5LM(a[.I0B9e.Q right?! [/quote]
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&x9[#I[I e7c@NY 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
J#yo;?qu5@9D 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]vL)` p/z d4B:u
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..,L"B~xe+^:`fL
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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1w$~@%Y/GW7n4]V [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
M/a4c} Ah G^+S 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…w#ruI,kX7[
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:C)D QfP'D6auLv
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