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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力;ftr9K V$uX*W
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙(f&cZ$f \2dD

K*\$Tg qb%M 大家覺得:
\c} CZ]6s%N7@o 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
&},w y7y h^}U+z0S;w^ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:/kx2g`:Zg2g
你覺得邊樣重要? `#F [$o} L0@E;x
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
:iex4S qB ]'UO 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? C:F2nD+ly
有無成功/失敗既例子?
VN@-wp 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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:Zt ~"u1W3r:i2Ws 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ \S/B#w1c1Uv5}
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
&_wqq&`]$I)C 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~3O~3_.f c!s
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ br9F d `j#K.rY
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
f"D%my _/bc 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
$Mflt"pu&c 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
*Pb7M^WRDtA 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
g_ Y.Y1]^F `lq[ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙M3ok{4gf
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書V{*d`m2?
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層Dh(e3b#c z g
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
UT1N%s8j+a4^u 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
kuZf u d;i5g 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
X1V_d\f 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???;D!C.o3doh+}0M}
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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5Z#dkMh)u 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得0V_,c-^E'm vE'K
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁]'j&^([h
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低U@e)iA$e}-YRYK
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
c5Dh C@eH1~n$\ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高7x/Y%x:?(I$` \1v
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
dPVTc S o#d F S9c 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:RK j2`Z4ak
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1E1Pat8u3^-^c5J 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
n;}q u#we,V 咁又係~~
%~#a9t e `{ 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
a2o!jPWH5WsT 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
xDW)s `K:ltT/h^i 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
:SXz,dP0b,@ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙}:L~z#jr)`M2A d#G
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書iU;UU7v
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
s0d5J"_c&m&JzJ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]j&cMo&W+e,O\0rrT
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用運動是很好的例子:D
-b-[Wq5e 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
U?+Mj| 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,_zina~ NV/hM
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
'BE#p8w+R 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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9jMcIT 這題目矛盾的地方是:r [bnC:V
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
;CTa+I2S|"d7eZoOr$R 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
me}v!CA0B1k,R#g 這題目矛盾的地方是:_*O(T^J
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力8CI1nt#c$RO
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
,Ed9uj-cbW 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
^$b U {6@-M 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
0C xvI@ D 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:L t^.z0_6b w;F
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6i|(D9H f;e.{ _ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野[9o;L{o5`
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]%?$U5AT.v`3wL5X_
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], nj,Q4z)}7Oe9z
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]5VR?6hO3VQ
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
%I8y9w7T$WZ!x#]m(Q$Z but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
`S4Y;[$LhJ| If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.&wZ"?i)W1j'SS+nN
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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_'~n"j;b 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人9B+Qib|e,tP
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
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... [/quote]
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zr]5F7l#GO^3~ Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only;\;f6PD h!nx
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.n#|jvP.|#V
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
4aC4eL(D:~h%r2Co F @ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
o+`0U\V+l It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
f%P-li{u(l]}o _ People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力s1ObO;w
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力r4m7{~"gE?
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
^+?]8S:vfe9z9j 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:a"T2Q9mUW!y'|?
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
%O`'Ce,qk$CHv 只要肯 ... [/quote]BlHO#aFl3g

/@bJY yv.T I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
-mV0E(G7a+S 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nogw#Q?Z9B
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功&qe5@(d(w+fO
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
UV#HJ @(}B5j}4q D 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
-B/@hX:wk)^6Ze 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
dJWh.jQ'w'{ 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
?i6~DY D2p*?I;`C9T 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在6T[aU"em'X m&n
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理;`.n'k2lf3I*@JK ?
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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#NOP j#}fI 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。-@(n_3CH(nv2k$c$e

6o6^3S;x}W)s^y E\ 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?bh$| Y!FY

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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻m LE_+@!dKf6Z*V
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現(i#PN Qa~"i2T(Ku8c
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱`W GR)q%m0wv ~
去左邊?.Q(W(w|| [%L F.o~7Q
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係最佳年輕球員I;x)S3zP!@
之後又點呢?c4LH,w T-]Mi4n

7n.]Fo8xB7MQ1p 小弟想講既係\i0B O8O
有天份但係冇好運do Whv&lm1}'W
都係死......M;K!U.J)H]HL
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否k6SJ6{bbNQ&TU IE;^H
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧@S(n\.j,[@
而且
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8j u.O9P hR \} 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
mY7DOL,{;} v 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
$S3wj c'[ W0R/~c 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
dS!bb W!y;v 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
d7TJ8dU-H,I,O+q s 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
1OW&N"`n|'P C%m5x He took drugs.._$~8l4A;}0UDAdu{
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
(C%{,oT1h3v right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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+T9WN7G%Fj?8a then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
8x1sX tC+\j right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs7LcV{ w?$a:`C
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color],x6p0g/Q\ mJ g

^*uB2TVC [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
T;u{"u/I3uD 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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5yP*Qd k#y [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
,L.n$h.jM-F"j 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]v(Z Oc)c;tf(Jf
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
!O_$gNa,J 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:!{:Aj{ cJ3A

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