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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
"`r4wfzM 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙D&S@*uW?D#n
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大家覺得:I9EOCIEr
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,;gN/s"Z rU&A
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?$G~Aq%FX
有無成功/失敗既例子?
N&F;vn5Z*QO 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?;^0EAl3b)O@s-k-J
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~o~dv0W#r[G.R
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
!fOY(N)K 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
viQ6b"ks^6Vx 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
{-mG5v#Sc#q(N 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
T7V k`3A8\R 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=0Jt1G8b7|P
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
%eKC%?dy 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星*X;Wjvs"|
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
Vp JO`pI"m1wU 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
4X$fNQ&l%opsZ KP 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層1m$_NQ!c_:e_9W
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
qj'fNhrF 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]B4A,v!Q+g"^VC7xz
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩????5L,u X!zU
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???2P$F@4w%w#I
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
C7?q5FT6n0IG 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
#C6B*|${b 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
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N X~!?0G _6`H6h 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]Ec!uY&Q ^6^z"o~o
咁又係~~
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
:vn9L9_ @_S%LP A 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦i4k6Y2esx
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
0B8g(bdH7ogAV(b 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
Siy sU#hR0} 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
*e?\nA-R"tK&@1x 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層;q(wj~E2_ _T
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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kgTxD/u5g li 用運動是很好的例子:D
8I f8P4Y z3r4E 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.;m {,S,Ew/Q Wv"p
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
f4N'e+[)X9? 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..)a@tF;o+b'{e6mqJ
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
]N[y7f eCsPbr 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力hT![a)b3DBq
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
S{)x EX#G+[:A 這題目矛盾的地方是:
8^d#d/bO 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力%g.Rqm4K#T
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] c X7C r5dVcmF
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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/GF%j/C~e 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
9o8\)\g.e} 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實| ^IdP.V,u:y+w
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
5Y f/D([.O6T1j!F.x but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
!}0\'RO{:I q,X If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.q4TH`3}/zt0ym
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:;a4XjFc6{4oo
聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only yD._'bA~"^yd
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society."yRn3k"nR"sD0Qo2xQ
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
-]t!q^:EZ6aP 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No0So.Ny1h)~(F]+s
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed S!H cE7H%B4Al
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力#xs4o5Q(@+k
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力5R2u%X6FV8VY"Q ]
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
db(_F*n^d b 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
-v+u9Lw}&]:ck 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
w*ynIHO 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
n+k\ ^1x0T6nI 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nos/|[4\7N%U i
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u#t-e2n g 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功 UP/E+pk&q:YR
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
H9Q } i/jC` C]7x 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,I){0W?:hDT^c
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次`5T,R;WaX!F+v
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍(c.]`4w Yt3E?_3V
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在 r8EZ(L:wB2hn
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理\,RU$s0t!f'If
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
5xO6M2b)z.D1GC 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現g6|._5W#k#F,xgeXZ
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
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/x3S]6l!p,r,i0w 係最佳年輕球員*ECI1]/@"SG#VBTIw\
之後又點呢?
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CH6I[@^'Tc 小弟想講既係
B r x:Zr:D 有天份但係冇好運
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RO v"fuC Z q ~)Hi 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
rPFWi(C:XN-@ 至少
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而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
v ]6ySn `0@ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人0NY&^6I`s
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
pG"];@yG6MR 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
~~6_CVu |3o right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:]"y#R6Hy DUE
well, Lee Sharpe?
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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(vDRaSQ)c [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..z$d?fX+W
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]nQ7Az8J
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
X]4tgA%{wv 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河… xU/S$YYy7uz \
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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