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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 d8 A9 O# j) X9 zWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 {8 J" \' p7 lI was so confused.....
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* o  y1 o$ a1 r, A6 Y% f( u0 V講到尾都係賺錢2 }; v$ c5 f3 q$ x7 B# F' l# Y5 S
so銀行可以不斷放款* [! ]1 ^' Y+ J. _$ L) p
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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  l5 G/ _9 l4 Dmortgage loan 1 k" M; t7 N! r4 A' R% Q/ k0 U
>conduit
. D8 d' h% s: {2 ?& w. y4 P>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! i, N, q* Z  ~/ f
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 |) z, M4 j, r& k/ S. {! Z" DCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
# ^5 D$ W* c; p4 Y; kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- f* n9 A- `4 x3 J, K, Bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return," k3 J& X4 z, c+ C. q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 b2 s; b  ], o% rAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
0 ]7 l1 @; f& w) T% r+ M' [8 Wsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 M7 {- V$ j7 g% }3 X
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ S/ k6 ?& T$ F5 L# [; b4 R5 N  Ieg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
6 Y" V% I0 w( kbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party./ \5 t% F+ P1 J# x% q! r0 f" E4 E

* |1 r! x1 n1 o% A/ P1 R9 K: t6 [6 L- yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) ^& \# M3 m3 A, kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
) \& P% q1 ?) L* OFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
* M- \, t# a# q7 l, I; XA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.( Z6 a- e- c# F. Q- n4 x0 Q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # E4 A, H5 w; G+ t
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 `, k. {7 t' T& q
Refer to last example,$ [# O7 Q; _% }3 E8 q
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ! n1 x) Q& w; o( {+ t5 u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * ]- p9 l1 z4 j9 W
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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6 w2 y' x9 a% H) j$ v1 ]  B! l% MA->B->C->D->E
1 n* s. m$ O/ T' x  `- J, p( e  Pso does it mean if E failed to pay D, : A( f( y0 G! S5 y) a3 z
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) C& U+ c- @& n. T& Q$ u* v3 T( b
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ m7 y  a% Q7 f, K* r6 g& i9 M
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
0 y' T3 N: S8 b* E: X, T" f7 s, fit's the problem of the debt itself.2 `+ X  J+ Y( k4 a( r
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) r! j8 {: p* V1 G: X+ I% u, U
小弟一直都唔明...+ C0 A' [$ k7 ^7 C9 |5 ]5 [. I" J
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." T  A4 k" r/ Q* j5 K. m6 j! U2 e8 Z
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " f2 Y+ ~( j8 d# F& W& Y: ?( b& S
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 P9 W0 C) _& Y+ x% \
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! \% j! R- H8 q# |7 P
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# B# b5 D0 a( A" y於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 f  C2 [1 P. q1 W個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ g+ n+ y4 p8 _6 l" V
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
. s/ [0 Y, n4 F- P- S計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 r/ ~1 O% |! ^3 ]) v前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 M) X& @- |; o1 F, f
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: v) J! C1 h! w4 W
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
8 X& a) A( D# T% S例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 R0 h& A) R* E! g# b* u咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
: y4 D+ r* j! T" s所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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, W: \2 M7 h" o. ~5 t) X* a0 j$ t/ N你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 P3 ], l* p  X( W/ _但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& M5 c; B$ D2 i9 |( r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 b) O) Y' }; U7 j" [, m( D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 J* T! D4 p6 T( S4 R. o
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% u7 w$ z+ y8 L0 P' B- p9 Z( E唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 N; K& Q  T0 D: }3 X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 j/ v* r9 }2 e  S8 ^8 I( f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行+ M! \% @( i/ g6 z0 C$ c0 e
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: k* {  H9 ]+ [2 l' B' T正係咁樣; }$ G# g3 Z0 e  W; I
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
* a" z6 i% w' n$ w( b- Y0 w分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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" ?& |- t" O+ G( y0 S& o再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 {2 F. p# l- n2 c, D% U& `
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
- d" ]' }; O- ^+ p/ W一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
! c+ n4 W( Z% L/ _! `編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( M) z/ F$ Y: ]: Q( w咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
' B8 X5 C  k, H4 X7 _因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 m" X: f8 A1 B/ N7 @' X而家就要多生產, 少消費
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