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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# f% h2 ~9 Q' e0 @2 G2 L
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; Q2 j6 l2 w, I, a) A
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
2 y% j8 c9 A% \: Mso銀行可以不斷放款2 }$ v: c" ]+ t6 a
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 e& c3 K4 I: O  w0 f. Q. `
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mortgage loan
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7 z& O' l) |* }% G! f>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.' E5 o( Q* z5 ~$ E! A
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,( v% @; m5 J# U- X# c, o7 q! L) n( @
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
+ f1 F9 S9 q) n& q4 smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
7 M5 a, p4 W. sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
- ^- b- u0 j1 D( K6 ^* h7 lAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- M" e! V; S% D& q1 v% Ksimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,/ y- ^- j4 a+ c  n. M
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
0 W, P% C1 C4 Q. W2 V- Ceg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) @' u7 d# S0 N+ ~- J) P' Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party./ T8 R8 @$ c: z2 R! [
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  s) C; ]! }! Q1 C1 o$ jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 m' H' h! D7 v# P/ bFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
/ r6 @( o; }& ]0 U+ [A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 x# v9 a0 X5 R' E( X) HThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
( ^/ F7 V. I4 @- J, w* d1 c* gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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4 E& c" i- [0 x2 L( j[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; U) J% R1 `. N3 |. S3 P, y1 DRefer to last example,
0 h% \; z! S& X) e2 p3 ~; p, e* Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 V: n+ ~# w$ B3 S  u
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
" L0 w: M$ w) @! L' Ztherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. q6 o  v! ]" rA->B->C->D->E
9 x0 m, b9 v! h6 J3 [so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
( t' b' i( H- R6 tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?& p0 F8 l0 @7 Q6 d9 j4 F

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# ?2 o! i9 M0 Y- Z- ?the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
+ o' E2 z/ K* W! q! y/ n6 Zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 n; [: R  K- Z* Qit's the problem of the debt itself.
5 j. A' g$ I( n" X9 Q) P9 Wthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 x! S" F$ X/ d! o8 @小弟一直都唔明...+ K5 h- ]( Z9 G

1 o+ d9 K% j6 j全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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7 C6 l1 ?4 o* o2 _4 a無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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* T# U- d) i% X5 l' j# `敬請各師兄解答
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+ Q9 E) w3 b6 L' R  u. I$ D& S" g* I/ S那些根本係 紙上財富  $ V' `" t# {/ I  o! P5 S4 R
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ \' a& Q9 g8 z3 f5 s
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' q2 T  a3 j% {- [& _當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ b2 c, X' A5 V% O- E' s2 N; g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
' }: R, n* M9 I6 R" M0 r' r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. f+ F" [6 _' G* i5 k7 v
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* n& h. S. O" W3 k( }計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺) Y- u. S# l" E5 ^! J- t" @
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
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2 ~* w7 M8 x4 T1 V3 i$ I" h但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺3 j0 U: |6 r$ {9 V+ p6 |/ \, w
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" x+ ~9 O) b# Y7 T: w咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 u4 w6 l1 [; W9 ]所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁+ |) E+ \3 z# O, G% ^. {0 S
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" }1 {3 o& h; u, E$ j5 S, K# F但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 s" L( M6 x8 a1 [9 v! I. g) x淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' j9 o6 G! e  F+ o4 G8 W呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. T! h. n/ }1 Y) U( O8 i
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & \, r# z; ]2 d! a/ {+ H" \( N/ n6 F1 W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# a! E4 |- B" I4 i2 G) F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣9 O3 G* z, z% U, {
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 A/ C8 E8 v; w: n6 e  B( b& ~4 s8 S
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
$ ?! K3 m- S0 \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票+ c3 t4 m2 s: {2 b, S# d
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產) }8 K; y$ Y; z) L
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! }8 i- w% m) M' I
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
( W  q9 A) [( T- h% `9 V. d! z而家就要多生產, 少消費
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