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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: @8 P5 x" W5 `. ~$ g9 O) ]
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???, N+ _4 m. x9 K1 A
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
2 R/ g4 u4 H6 Q0 U- v$ C, h/ w9 Gso銀行可以不斷放款8 t8 I8 @5 u  E1 s# x* i6 E2 I
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 4 h$ D3 d# l' l" E% h# r
>conduit4 Q, ^, h' H& t3 j9 E% o: }# T
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( c5 p0 t- H. ?. U2 |% v
>arranger7 q: z- m1 s  y( X' k: l
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 K0 v- Z6 w) E2 g9 B* G3 omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,6 Z( c0 D( w. p
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& W: [- W" W* x+ I$ V' JAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.5 Y2 F: y/ O& |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ S/ u" Z7 t' L0 ]$ [normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; t& W$ n9 w8 d2 B; y9 ~$ Y9 S
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 v' v/ f1 I& `& H% u# k. }banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.# {9 a3 D& u# d3 F, R
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.! _# W1 V# o, t. O  x! P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. w( L0 Z& i' z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) }1 _* A2 ^% C$ J$ q+ O# ZThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 @: K- A( R4 S1 mbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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5 P- R3 c$ T& a4 ?8 Q) i: D/ d[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 }9 f- r& Q( E# `$ j2 D6 V
Refer to last example,7 Z; x: x/ b! C$ D9 h! C
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# K' I" V1 M7 KBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( @& `+ D' N! p6 ]# ftherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E( m; x; g2 N/ u2 @- z+ Q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ) l4 c& \# x/ ?& U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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1 P/ \6 @' _6 s* u0 d, Xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , m- I1 [) E& S5 {
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , _$ n7 ~, \6 g
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. N' I* l- x/ ~  ?the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 n; l4 m; c$ j6 ]0 C$ f
小弟一直都唔明...5 I6 @# V1 R8 ^7 i
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答; C2 z3 Y9 P3 Y8 e5 I

3 ~( a' R: {3 w5 M% vThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  $ {; K. x% |! b* K, d
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# u. s( F: s; z; h2 }當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高8 s/ _' [" J! ~1 _9 d1 e# q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ |5 c4 j" G1 P* |+ Z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' k( i% r6 t0 H6 g! @
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- D. t' E8 t2 j5 P% M+ V* T5 |5 n
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* B: V0 u/ M4 @
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法' X  A3 H) _4 a8 L. T
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 D7 e  I7 {5 G) e( I7 w! l- i咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 ?1 u! I9 \3 X2 W- D" _4 c( n! F( I所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! u, A5 e" k: C3 O  Y但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . b: G8 |; _( {! B, Y7 F( i
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 P  x0 i' ~; y: C8 {呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( B7 b7 ?( p2 u4 K唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& P5 `4 x& X1 p, c! b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % |5 }! X0 ?$ F; D) P' D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" ?' g; H# e. ^: q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣/ H3 r; \! |2 W) f( |
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
! z* ?0 |7 f( n/ x) w3 d& E分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ Q9 q5 L0 U" ]7 j0 w( {. T
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票) d6 g& m/ u' p9 K  f4 p  L
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產" {7 z4 H0 ?2 R6 x4 Y* {
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& T5 Q5 T( m2 r咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
8 q  B; }3 C  f: q而家就要多生產, 少消費
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