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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 i! V/ k+ s* m6 ]4 Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
) M8 R! b9 E/ tI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢$ |# j2 M# L  a/ M6 z
so銀行可以不斷放款
- }* D  e4 K  m& p2 R( l9 }8 {+ M美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 {& [, ]. b: q8 }# H/ Mmortgage loan 7 C6 a8 I7 ~' p8 ^
>conduit
& n2 j5 H: }( Q; T# K1 G$ B2 O  v. ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ L8 H: K% P5 K+ Y) ?3 n
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
" V- ~" ^5 I5 `0 o8 j4 b! y5 _CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 z. C  r. y' a* S2 }) L% P$ J
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
" r" Y- K4 z. {4 l$ W1 c; Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# z, O3 ^* I& F5 O7 A! u$ X
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; v# @- I. T( _7 z9 s
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# p  }& Y- q. x
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 u2 }6 s9 `9 @) g$ d. F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
6 @" B6 l( o( E3 Qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 [6 k* S, \% b* Tbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- \- M; n% @! e- `! K

+ }0 L% {/ W6 E! w' t7 N9 Y' Zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 z# q0 v& \6 c1 d( Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. X+ A: }, v0 }; p& y' n. \, v" r" eFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
# G; p; d9 [8 S6 f8 T6 ^A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
6 ?) X0 H& J2 P4 ?+ P2 G( @The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( Q6 F; o+ x# s  T  d' @
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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( V- ^$ J$ ]8 n! Y6 D[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- r! o$ W+ u$ f+ }, C
Refer to last example,
2 N4 |! l2 y1 \. C, E5 [that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 @/ ~" I7 {. |
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 t8 C9 I/ h, }- G. W- m) ^
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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5 z+ I; u3 T( [" Z$ l  \' p7 sA->B->C->D->E
# d  w. j8 c' g" J7 [! q( c; Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D, - y! J0 B; d/ M  V: R5 P4 U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( B, w" `( Q, W( b& [

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- v1 a: ^* b& |9 s8 ]the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% Y- ?% N/ D& Uin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, * k3 v9 j0 M6 p8 X" @
it's the problem of the debt itself.
; f4 H- p) S( b0 a- b( }the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 J  K2 Q' B9 W. s6 f. Z  o
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; }5 v6 o& K' G. G: u; N2 S

: F9 v% t; N* P1 h, x敬請各師兄解答
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/ t/ C. I1 n# X; e% {( g0 LThanks
  O+ _) W" J0 `. `3 H$ D& S那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 M- n& ]8 e. ^7 F4 p; [各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 J3 {; S* S5 |) a; z3 O) y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, s* y$ `6 L& z. s/ Z- j+ A1 b! M
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* E% C& t+ C5 t$ r! n& A; l
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ Q' |! {  k: b$ w* ?! H
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
) ~/ t' m& K0 Z0 V* L4 t計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
6 R3 A# K" A: ?/ h9 s2 y! |3 [3 w8 g前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法, T2 z. j( C9 F8 ^; b# {( g* ^
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; z- Z! p5 A/ `4 A. H+ K+ j3 u
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ I, R; N! v* l3 e9 j例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 v* z$ r. {/ w# Z8 ?
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
! N8 L) a! n! U" ?所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁- j8 j0 A4 r. z- ^# h  P6 d, M. ?

: f) f3 @8 Z6 g- w; z你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # I/ R' z/ F- Z- w" y: |
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 U/ |1 v* V# X  W% G. C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " ]6 s# Z; H' D) [+ q: @2 g. T* p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 t7 n6 A! \3 d3 u# X
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& {9 y) D/ X' U" q* _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
  d/ w! r9 N" X4 k! V  @其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 ]2 i4 P! {0 p3 V$ [連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: e$ Q( F6 l) \8 o/ i+ m0 X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- @$ y, z% n) e" c% e
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ o2 q9 u, S1 ~6 }  R, ^# n咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 e& v9 [" i5 Z+ ^% @其實係...& A# Z" {9 k1 W9 z/ k( R/ w3 u
因為以前未生產, 先消費
% F. w9 H! q" Y) `而家就要多生產, 少消費
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