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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  M0 a4 S6 m) l" H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* \, x7 J% a6 z1 l
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
; s5 c9 K0 {) w) H" @so銀行可以不斷放款2 y0 z, I8 O- Z2 G1 V+ g
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界1 \! N* n$ x" I: l, n
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mortgage loan
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  G. g# V$ b% u/ ~>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)3 W! ^  c! c5 F# e7 U& ~
>arranger
& R  a3 ^% q. g1 T0 H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)) ?/ p; o/ q& r$ }2 D  w
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) t% a- Z7 |! f$ C9 D8 [4 j
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ g8 a+ ^" K; _9 m9 [/ T/ |- @
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
0 J3 D) _; F. Z' \2 F2 z6 Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,& B+ f: z0 W) R) A! t) ?; p
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
$ r, Y( K+ I3 [( [Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, Y; T% s. i7 o8 R- osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 ^$ q9 V- [% M( r! K( ^4 w
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  B2 N: G" M6 g" [eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ; u: H; L( g* X1 d" y' u& y) L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ U5 a, K8 h0 }, P- Q7 y
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.0 x+ U  r, v2 a' v9 b/ b
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 j% H$ z8 i) U6 _% ^8 C  @
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: t. N1 E' X7 Y# |3 J# h% b
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% F" G  r% `  T. }& r$ qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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; K  x' J0 j5 D- ]6 q. l7 Y5 s[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 ~/ i$ k1 w3 |. T1 [$ N( gRefer to last example,
9 P6 L1 ^; b5 uthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A . x* Q: v  A# p& K
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ! k( s0 ~6 N- ~2 ~8 y
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
  v8 R6 i& B9 q7 uso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
9 D: F. y( p4 S: f- f$ s$ dall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 E& R; H1 I) ]% U& k
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
4 S) O# M: ~2 V# zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' O  b& z0 W3 p: X! L7 k1 j3 }
it's the problem of the debt itself.! z, |# o# h6 P  o& T
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! M, H; N( a0 o% r" z
小弟一直都唔明...
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+ ^+ `2 A6 X' l2 ^, s全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; |- a% z0 Y' B6 t% z% k( ^無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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$ u" t) c0 O) W# m8 L) h敬請各師兄解答& {& f2 U* {7 b* K5 |1 W$ a
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 Y, ^3 ^: {: i) n1 c  ]+ `- Z1 R9 M$ [各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ v  ]" [& [5 U+ x; r當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; ?6 z# X, p6 P- K; O9 u: X於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
/ D7 x% i" T4 |7 w$ d+ V; ?! `) K個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% f6 Y# K+ I9 }+ h  N
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- D4 k$ M) j' [/ {% J
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
: i8 W% ^4 ^1 k  {* p* @前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& c7 _( e5 ^: a( a9 ~同埋個市場既前境要係好先得' O. |  H/ m; I. Q
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! l: c* I) x* c; L# S4 u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
, y& b" `  ?8 s0 Q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 V* |0 W" u) h* D. Q! l& T
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 i4 k+ A' f  n

3 u+ Z- a0 V, j1 `8 B/ b* F你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. U) N- D4 J6 d/ ^. u+ R) A但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 \+ ?& |% o0 ~9 g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- E# E8 A) I3 X) M% ?( B0 F. I! r, Y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* }1 z6 _( O5 k2 g: F
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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正係咁樣0 R: G# s9 ?2 g2 E* J: p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業* l  d5 I! y8 E7 b0 D. f; t
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢" G. `, v  d3 k( j4 y: a6 f. a

$ l$ l3 C* M  g" E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ ~% B$ W" U8 l" F$ a, M7 L: M  Z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
/ F" a1 ]4 D. E. r一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( Z4 y- a/ E2 O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 _5 l$ t% j2 `! M( t7 G. h6 r
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
, Q- W4 M2 k3 n因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 f, H- g& ~) W0 S1 s# o而家就要多生產, 少消費
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