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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, p: Y) |% C9 R; E0 LWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???- Z* r7 Z" U2 ~. c& p% P) T8 L
I was so confused.....
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. P# D, [! M8 y" W& j講到尾都係賺錢- U) O2 m3 M8 r2 O3 J' B, `
so銀行可以不斷放款. i. u! w  }+ V; y) Q; f
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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2 `) G( l/ J5 }mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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  M0 N  ]8 U' c6 i. v& i>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return." b9 p8 N8 ]* X+ v2 |
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; E' j2 l" ~9 y1 Gmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 S! j  N, }9 F! q! @/ x' Wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 c( K$ H8 n( s7 G3 Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.0 i2 \. K3 y7 [; Q: `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& Q. `4 Z: b" }1 O7 {0 b: c) R
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,9 ]$ ~9 n6 w2 _3 ~3 u6 Q, B% V
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 y( q( y2 {4 G% A2 x7 |- T" N
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 w& g- W9 ~& I+ L% ]) zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 m  y# K* K, Q# x

; s* W" s" i$ Gim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) n5 Q# j5 a! F: \* m) ?
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% i; _" b& v. S, A5 Z/ CFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,) g) P9 f5 P' w2 ~; h: E* H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.' d7 K- T6 O$ |5 s/ p( ~0 t
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ g! H' s4 Y9 U1 P7 |
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly." D" d1 l4 E  i

$ l6 f7 P4 k& P[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 u1 y! a* V' S$ Z. A9 N5 QRefer to last example,) n# ]1 T( M9 y
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 0 R# F. n  Y9 k7 G# M  A2 Z( s
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / s8 x- f8 U  S) d& Z
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
1 a' L. E* }  ?  v3 s9 I1 G- lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, , v6 E/ f1 g2 @4 U( F
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?* z; B* j: I- {' n

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, k7 s7 ~. S6 B1 E7 ]; x4 ^% n6 Zthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , ^: \  ~( e& A5 F$ H" e  }
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 I( x3 L; I3 b5 x, N  r
it's the problem of the debt itself.
; k% |% J& O# Q6 u+ hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" `8 Z0 {  [( E- f' ^* F. k
小弟一直都唔明...
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: o2 y7 w, d) X. n* D  R7 C全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  6 s" m; M9 C* T4 m! m
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% s8 z& {/ ~7 t6 i! f6 I

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 j/ N2 |( Q' P$ e. Z0 B" I, h
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高$ e  s, G5 ]. p- D' }
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! T: d! i1 e* b# O5 ^( B1 ]
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 ?& u* Z& W/ l4 g9 w$ n4 f
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,' F. h% b# K0 o
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; H4 b3 R3 g# f2 T: F
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' o3 [8 s# C. J同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
* O: t( K' b9 p( C% ^但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺0 @, |" e% k0 B7 b' J) g
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 X/ T) H" Y2 J9 Q: x# ]1 U咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 g" K2 ~7 C: L0 x; {0 X
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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# ?: C! a$ a7 T你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- T$ X; e9 [$ A* D$ \2 \' g' M但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & g6 u! j9 X# _8 ~' R* |8 v' N+ c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 x4 r! s  r0 ~% G1 t+ k8 w6 x" F8 c
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* {2 P) x3 B2 P2 n5 V
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 r3 W3 o* o( n5 e- a1 w) v9 T/ W0 M# s
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) m/ L" a6 N% M  z8 M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / j- ?) V; L$ v7 U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, W% Z! @/ A; `0 r5 O* y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  o. Z; x2 u! R0 Q
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# }: R" I: ?* Y% {$ F分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 b- c5 G7 v* m
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
. O  F0 l6 W( V, e. R+ q8 t連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 [& B) G7 e6 l! P
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. F  h# ?$ d. |編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 Y  c& ]! F% j2 z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ s' m, M$ e, n5 B其實係...
5 I. Q  z1 d% Y8 K9 b4 ], H因為以前未生產, 先消費
% Z. U4 W! x9 o; R6 ?2 ~而家就要多生產, 少消費
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