<<新主題 | 舊主題>>
娛樂滿紛 26FUN » 吹水版 » 全世界都蝕錢,究竟d錢蒸發左去邊?
返回列表 回復 發帖
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 t3 ]4 Y3 Y! y1 ~9 B& f' Y$ e# r
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; L0 M8 D3 y+ \* _! W  i% x, f
I was so confused.....
1 d& X  M  J: {9 d+ C) w
: b7 m2 [5 y! R6 l% Y
講到尾都係賺錢
& }% h) Z1 S6 E  z8 eso銀行可以不斷放款
9 S! p( Q. C! W: K; S8 h1 ^) b2 _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
/ R+ A2 |( u7 _9 v/ ]$ Q4 D9 o" _* \% K3 L5 Y
mortgage loan
" m* @0 H3 s) t>conduit
. v: V1 w& I) `>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
+ U2 i9 y1 W3 ~; f3 D>arranger# G: [* Y) \( j+ @
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
) u8 Q  F+ l+ K* }" b6 U5 c/ M7 \8 R最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ E) z- R/ v# E8 U% S/ y* w) G( C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 s5 j8 C. V* m
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! d% r3 R$ V3 d4 D! I
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,4 s! ^9 l6 ^" ]
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 \: z) j" z+ ]8 y9 h4 @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.: o' U  F9 W! j/ Z$ Y" ]
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,, c$ u" b- x. N. s% _1 Q
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
% @- G: D6 p$ J( Deg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 w  C: J1 g8 f: `0 |/ B+ [
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
/ D) f5 I& |5 O+ _! _7 {) f. f+ B% z
im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ z, R2 n: d7 b  O! Qin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 ?& C: Q$ F9 t! C% ZFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) r2 W1 Y1 J1 l% d/ aA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: K! l" b* U$ O) a6 qThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 4 U& {6 v& C% \: n, s$ g& t
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
4 z2 d  H; D9 J3 o1 U6 G) w5 x, y7 W
/ u" i' ?2 l5 }! ^0 I[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 P) h3 O. D) N# d& Y4 ^) {Refer to last example,
, M  A; r1 r' z' q& ?0 j0 D5 Bthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; M& d$ o2 Z" U) g$ EBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; E  X6 t' f8 c# ]
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
, P) H) _  @' s1 N( f
+ u! z2 z' B9 f2 _' D  D+ ~) N0 q: o- j8 A& J2 b7 s2 S
A->B->C->D->E
) N' P+ J% o  s3 q+ Fso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
. l# U6 l1 e+ U; A% B. d/ sall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?0 \) m+ C, d; T) q. m7 A
5 q. E% }. e3 e# z$ B

7 g# b* l) I+ D& ]the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 8 ^. ]7 x. N9 c
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% `! L1 ?, t3 g" h4 @4 yit's the problem of the debt itself.
  ^  P. b! ?5 Z0 {* T4 |the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# X9 b6 L1 k1 C0 |4 r: L/ p
小弟一直都唔明...6 Y& Y/ s$ L& O0 ^- y
8 d& Q; y  l4 Y  b" R. ^: ^
全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
' d7 Z6 S  }  @* y
. U, Z3 {' Y4 S% `/ J0 w9 V" J# w無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; r4 W1 Z. }5 C+ b- J+ @
+ j7 d  w' y2 L- o+ C% J8 `
敬請各師兄解答
: R% }( N1 s! U* |0 h! y
6 M4 ?/ p; `* y! f: XThanks
9 S9 Z+ L0 g/ |7 {) j$ ^/ h* T那些根本係 紙上財富  7 \4 G/ V* i0 M+ n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic1 ]6 [5 j" Z' w9 [. [/ Z" Q6 Y* u

, q" [- e0 `. Shttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 Q3 |( \2 N' F* W% p9 e! V當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. z% T8 d4 o2 e於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 ~2 e! u9 x( I; G8 }* a個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 b, {9 H: \$ q1 G# z
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 C& }0 o6 X9 y
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 y7 T$ o! O" L- E8 d& [+ d' z; K0 J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( o3 m  H( X2 l+ B同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 }- p% b$ o1 e' J; ^# |但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" S8 |& ^& m# y$ U( z! c  c
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . k( |$ f# V% S8 a! V
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%; _% i3 X; T/ ?
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
* C+ h1 S8 Z$ z1 T$ p0 Y/ [$ n, I" V& i3 [( X6 c
你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 |7 _0 {9 Z6 B# D) X' n0 f但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ V5 a& }0 o, b% `$ g! ?& H) H5 ]7 q$ j
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( U4 ~' T, @& V8 M' k! y1 C0 B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 S( m& P7 h5 i! S" R0 R
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 W! T, k. ~1 u5 u( O+ H+ R
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# w* Q( Q+ ~% p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' [, g/ O8 U+ P2 o$ W呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' U& J. `. \) C
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
- |2 F5 E( t. [  M2 v

; e3 W0 h8 ]7 g. y& M- I* |正係咁樣' v, u* m9 B  \9 T
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
0 ^  `5 A5 D. {; @4 u分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
5 _9 Y% `! ]) K! k0 c3 c2 P8 r' N3 `! H( q/ E
再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,. p/ Q2 y  s$ \% k0 _, k) h
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票9 `. x0 F2 A" i% |; p5 o5 G
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" A2 J$ A8 T: G! ~6 U編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; Y5 Q5 ]4 r: y7 S
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
' {- n5 ?% L+ ^( k2 n( f, K

% \3 {6 A0 u" u& {% v其實係...
  h, N# L/ v0 F7 ^8 I" n: {6 i因為以前未生產, 先消費* n, w/ m3 f4 `+ `* O! P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
返回列表 回復 發帖
<<新主題 | 舊主題>>
娛樂滿紛 26FUN » 吹水版 » 全世界都蝕錢,究竟d錢蒸發左去邊?

重要聲明:26fun.com為一個討論區服務網站。本網站是以即時上載留言的方式運作,26fun.com對所有留言的真實性、完整性及立場等,不負任何法律責任。而一切留言之言論只代表留言者個人意見,並非本網站之立場,用戶不應信賴內容,並應自行判斷內容之真實性。於有關情形下,用戶應尋求專業意見(如涉及醫療、法律或投資等問題)。 由於本討論區受到「即時上載留言」運作方式所規限,故不能完全監察所有留言,若讀者發現有留言出現問題,請聯絡我們。26fun.com有權刪除任何留言及拒絕任何人士上載留言,同時亦有不刪除留言的權利。切勿撰寫粗言穢語、誹謗、渲染色情暴力或人身攻擊的言論,敬請自律。本網站保留一切法律權利。