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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ~* U5 U; D. }- R
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: i/ c! @: w4 n6 a/ m: K5 k
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢0 {3 m6 k3 u8 C9 t
so銀行可以不斷放款
. q7 w( S  n: Z* K# s0 f美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; E% ]( ~7 ?8 ~3 e; Y2 c: u
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mortgage loan " X6 A! b  x  M$ e
>conduit4 J4 Q3 y; C  O) I" [. O2 q3 Y
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)3 Z* m* c2 G5 V
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ g, W7 N* ~4 p; YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,: V4 Q; Z; h) V6 N
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.. H) K3 A: |5 x5 k
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. s' S& T: F! U  W9 K5 sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
) S# Z0 a7 H" M& d2 `2 Q3 [Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
) D/ c& L7 o, esimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
/ ~4 \1 D9 W- s4 g8 |  {2 U. n& vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. * @4 w4 r7 S7 ^4 W, S5 j
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " q' [/ R6 C* i4 t* y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 x+ \* }, p% F3 c3 H9 {

$ }, S7 G" j* ]! W( R, e1 Z8 }2 {1 xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ u" `* `  k0 C+ e
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# ]" \  L  N2 {" ]0 v. L: ?& K5 Z6 rFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
: f* y) [; M$ W; vA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 o6 d4 O! \7 Q6 J  H3 y& KThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - w4 O' i" y' D, F+ s9 y
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.& N( ]  h& D' y2 m' o

5 Y4 x, A& q9 [& b" Y! ]0 k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- G, x6 d# M8 b0 P
Refer to last example,* x# [  L' S3 H4 ~! d5 e
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
2 m/ _& z! Z1 I* Z4 s8 mBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 y* U/ ]( @. c1 h( J- N. Ktherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# M/ {0 ?  p! h$ F! T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: j/ C- l! c( ?; q$ eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?9 i9 ]3 f  g8 G
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7 K& e9 H9 L8 J5 Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 I# x7 ?! n, n' Y3 Cin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% }& i4 N# |- ^* e/ w) i1 e) W, G* K) j8 dit's the problem of the debt itself.
' |5 N2 ~+ F0 v& H7 ]the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" M. S5 q' P. O0 w7 s+ K2 M- Q4 w
小弟一直都唔明...
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: g1 P! n0 |0 y全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?: a2 y. t* p2 ]; ]- L; q  _
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ K+ c! c5 x! q7 h& }1 u
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敬請各師兄解答
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4 m# \% o, `4 V6 U8 z/ J7 e; C那些根本係 紙上財富  
, \) Z' p* G& W" [& u! D" G) S( U各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產. L3 Y( C0 P& j' I$ e- M& ~
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高, o2 n& J6 x0 Q6 t& I' L5 h
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. I0 e, ?/ W  [8 j& L$ h
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" I. R: V# v% ~; h! H
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- P9 c! K/ q- U4 |& L
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
( m+ ^8 F4 B' d前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* [# K, A" p+ f同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
& }. s# O7 |, C. }) w$ T4 H) S0 _但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* e3 h' g5 p& k5 B) s1 z% M
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) C! Y, n$ _8 D, P& N
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" }3 f& G( a& H& C. S7 I* w% J9 |
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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9 k1 a) x/ H" u1 c: _你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' X% L9 C# k+ P0 X" Q4 b
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ \( _9 e8 i9 i( q& q4 f淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 ]7 C9 E( u; ?5 N% P$ f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! x0 Z  K" c  l# x0 s" T7 i) C
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  m, K6 W7 b" s2 `
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ N$ Y) E+ W: r* F; T2 @/ y" _' s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 g7 x" b' {" [% S( _
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" P7 G, g2 |! i  O" d3 C8 f
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
7 M2 z: d) l( B( k( ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業+ C/ @9 h" w( q, ?. \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 P" B+ b" R, D7 X. ]
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,1 N1 r7 n& Y5 a' Z3 g
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  h; g2 e0 r- i' o- H一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" k1 r* I9 L0 Y, o$ B1 ?2 i6 @編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ u2 B) N: A  p& x; Q! V3 \
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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6 S1 c2 R' ^7 q* ~9 O/ c其實係...
  x2 h! _& f; Q( q% a因為以前未生產, 先消費% ~" U! O/ M3 X" i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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