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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 I2 `* |2 z7 j: H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ w( N6 V9 n. S  G- }I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
% \- s' L/ k/ p1 M" E* G0 dso銀行可以不斷放款, y' w7 d4 m$ s/ B- U6 J2 k1 `
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan - C* V" T6 K; u
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)# d0 j: {$ u' ~/ l' }
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.+ J- E7 Z; r; a( ]2 T/ E
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,7 r& O5 b3 R; R, L) J, n% X( n$ w
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 _; a4 u0 w, K% r
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; D  ?6 D- f* ?8 s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.5 e7 J+ m  Z# q1 q( f  U5 e
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 V7 g1 t9 [! k4 \4 P6 s" t* y) B+ Z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
8 L. N0 k1 W3 f) _7 X! mnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 A9 K: N/ h/ [7 ^+ @1 a! feg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
% K9 f* E. K1 F* s$ rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.. j/ F0 u- M, p& `: F% F5 i& x
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  u* |, B( @9 G* O  r" {in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards./ M1 |7 v% h1 ^1 O/ y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* {; C) @) @' S6 `! u
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- D! |. t9 _. GThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& m4 u. g# o4 j) H+ k4 j8 B" hbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% R- y  A9 S2 K: t# |3 Y2 PRefer to last example,
7 I! [9 M2 J* Q/ T9 X  d% V% \8 qthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" v' ?, j; F. m8 |- qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 X0 n/ d. Y& _  t" [' Y4 wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 P. {! n, m% aA->B->C->D->E
; p* [. _0 M( _3 D& T) xso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ I6 }+ g- K$ y% w; q% P8 Aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
! _. O( ?8 f2 a( l7 Ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 8 z2 C# l5 `+ `
it's the problem of the debt itself.% h# x+ R2 G# Q; N
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* c+ V& Q; T8 O3 L7 j1 l# S
小弟一直都唔明..., o) T+ j! l% Z0 J% j2 b
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( z, S9 W, S( D6 _  i# m/ V* i
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...) p$ \& T: V2 s( P3 z  c
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敬請各師兄解答1 ]5 g- c) b6 a) \( a2 I$ ~. F& T

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
# |0 F3 g9 I9 h% j- W- h# `# U各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 r. \. F/ }& ]
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
' |5 w% Q- q4 ^' Z6 T當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 ]' Y% C' |# r7 b8 {, g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 [8 G& S4 j2 N5 y: ?
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 u7 q* v! d/ d; H8 S扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ [, b# J- k# S3 O! W0 c7 r) B# Y& h
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 y; U3 }5 Z- _前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 o6 k3 T0 z% S  b+ c# T( w; v2 i
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- ]& ^) C( B" n) n
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 \5 o9 V$ y/ b
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& c( v/ ~$ @$ p3 U2 B; o) W) s咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. T8 D6 J6 {/ g2 F( I7 s所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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, D5 W( P1 O% g4 W5 m你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 ^; u# ]0 u0 q# e但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & O- q' D) H' {
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 K6 d) Z0 [8 t' T0 F) B% d; H
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 m  F+ t, j- k! E$ f* T
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 w3 [" A9 F$ O2 n
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 h$ r9 S( Z. b8 b淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' T7 j+ `3 p1 O5 ^
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( i# a0 S) s3 s' P4 r& _
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣8 Y' F7 S6 Y! ~$ l
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& T1 d$ V8 |! Q2 T1 s4 |分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ v: M3 l$ X/ I

+ M' K" f  d7 ^* S2 Y" r' N再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,- j& |8 Y4 H0 ?
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- H8 i+ r3 j5 N, @5 F3 x: h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
9 z( V* K' U* t編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) S  M: a: O- q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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' T" f0 V/ j# W5 z' k其實係...
+ K) G+ K  e$ W因為以前未生產, 先消費
, V. f% l# x! D8 @4 x而家就要多生產, 少消費
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