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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: t5 ^% d( c7 ~0 p, _. W
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 J# `3 v$ |* F0 ?3 }1 r5 wI was so confused.....
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' t4 M- @2 k- o/ L; O2 t- ~講到尾都係賺錢
8 M( y& w' [( B9 C/ P  H+ U; r8 Eso銀行可以不斷放款
. ?% r9 J; ~2 \8 O美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 U# v6 e- O6 B& H/ d& Zmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# m% r# ^' T$ M& y7 E$ I- \
>arranger
" g  b0 A$ x3 A( T: K: W>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
" c& A7 [5 L1 N1 ~* m0 t4 YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- h; V& {4 Q: p
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
, o: u  ~1 ]8 r  B6 B1 u2 ~main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" r0 ~# N' @# O4 _in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* G, R" w# f; ]; T6 o4 U6 D" A; H
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( y: s% d* \. d1 Z7 ~
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  m/ ~7 M# ~+ p5 U6 X8 ?
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
# H' U- P* e( s4 O1 c& Seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 e7 O7 ]. P1 C3 c* k  `* V1 q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.8 g3 i, c: O. }9 J5 q0 D
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ m/ i% e" {3 i( p+ B- Yin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.9 S( g. I% A8 a3 X  q6 ?8 W
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," Z7 p3 E6 l8 X% }7 r
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.! s6 e. K8 X5 n8 B* T( p/ o
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
# c% U: ^4 ?+ t  j' b5 s2 Zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 z. t) q2 Y; t, ]; I1 h4 h6 d' E

7 i% O+ A6 k6 H, S; z) Q7 V" t/ ~[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; S) G5 s8 N$ V! V- o+ k& G; G/ i
Refer to last example,
5 Z8 T  m* t9 _0 v: xthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 k( Q( T# b6 k2 X/ BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 K8 g/ y& v2 U; b6 W4 _therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
5 Y& l( z: T' L& y4 w7 Yso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' [  |- J7 ]( Tall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. V$ }& j- `" o1 _, y% q: F

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( ]9 o0 z3 [1 i$ w5 P' }$ H- Nthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 5 s0 a4 t; r1 W2 i1 k' b+ l. C
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% |: o0 ]) q  O2 ?9 g9 Pit's the problem of the debt itself.4 U6 @$ E9 ~, J% V  w) Q8 V
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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$ e; l& Q( P# i8 _全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- v; {2 y" d' c3 x# @( ?3 W: e2 \
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敬請各師兄解答
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$ z- I$ M2 ?& P2 ?$ L; O那些根本係 紙上財富  
- K! g& c# I8 Q各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 Y- i* W  i0 n" z/ f4 R
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 @8 \5 K( x, j: H" x2 F6 d
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 {+ F# M- W& J% [; v7 b' S於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
7 G* D6 |2 r0 B$ I個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' c2 T7 Z0 b3 i3 }. p  R: [扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) T( m# E3 _8 ?
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' l  L$ q$ G+ |! F) ^前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) U! X+ [0 Q8 B2 d) x- q: z; I
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得2 H* y6 v  @- Z1 s, m1 V" I3 X5 Z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺- [2 G) C& m% ?9 E
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, / m) |2 z# E* G1 _! T
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# Q4 v# j8 U: K所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ; G& w; ^  v2 i4 s% Z5 n) G7 d4 E
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ k+ I8 r" H6 E  n0 }4 z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ M  W0 S+ i# t7 L$ u5 i呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 }1 V& x. n3 F8 Z# a- X: z# q9 b唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 ~& |# F* L; ~& m/ A淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& \/ [$ }: w$ N3 C* a0 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) p/ t) y: D! I4 |咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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1 J% K& J* k  L+ m正係咁樣
7 Z2 ?; B3 q/ v- b; Q9 ^/ y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業: o  D; E! C- E; Z( o
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 F+ g# F" m7 K# I

: E- u9 V0 A- V! M再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,# C& ]. t2 ?+ S  S1 J8 f2 Z( A6 O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票0 p. z, ]. Y0 ^. L$ ?8 L- Y  D
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. L, i4 Y. Y: x( @編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 A  M+ j' `3 v) f& ]咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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  H2 V; _2 y( S% O" D& B4 V+ f; {( k其實係...( y# E( s# z( }3 q$ A: g8 b
因為以前未生產, 先消費
! R' h* |& g: v3 G. w而家就要多生產, 少消費
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