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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% D4 _5 p& |5 H1 E; K, @Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. K! ?) f, ]1 H5 EI was so confused.....
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& ]( ^) O' ~: E講到尾都係賺錢, Z! s* b6 m9 C8 z
so銀行可以不斷放款. @8 @1 T  ^& J; e( n2 o$ e$ X
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界2 E  ~2 B# O$ i. r) u+ H1 ?" `! w7 C4 a

! _, C% X, m# P8 _& F' v/ j& @mortgage loan
- Y! X9 V6 x1 G% J>conduit' B: A0 F$ o. g1 _& I; v9 R5 k
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 S/ U  `/ B/ e4 G  z7 q
>arranger
* ^7 c+ R. R' r! ~8 V7 a4 E>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.! L. `: C/ y  P: @6 k
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! p% h0 r, N* K: |more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ e) n" M/ z. E4 ^main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
8 K! u6 k; |( S0 g* L1 D, Tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
# u  o# A5 \' _8 b' M2 fAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
: z+ m$ J- t. t( A% A! @similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 v) Q$ }; v) H' e  y, wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 0 O0 }9 c7 L) [8 L1 @
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
. M# ]' z, L# `banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 N- `, v, T# Y# y, g4 P* ~
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# M* M, _9 ?% g. S( @  X* t7 dFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! Q( l8 t7 a: S6 ]0 d
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  a+ f2 ?+ f6 c! v1 ~
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
& L( _1 E' ]( J, f% h8 s8 X: P$ tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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& J$ j+ f0 {2 W[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- G8 |( u/ r: D: f/ n
Refer to last example,
( h7 j. R' B/ W5 g& f& pthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
, l5 B& V5 l4 P9 T. bBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 L, E/ d8 a4 m8 |* J2 h! Q
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 J# b7 y  [6 C# h4 J3 z; CA->B->C->D->E# _( r) ^$ ^6 _6 Y( N
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, : ?: V4 T' ?. S' a
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . F& [4 s$ l. D! z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - X% n% V" M7 A; }
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. L( K: v3 L7 B; @+ n; _the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ c- I% i) n9 y小弟一直都唔明...: M3 d2 U/ @  D: ^  P2 x' _5 A

  i/ v( j. b6 N" a/ K+ x. A+ I. p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( a- y" K( Y/ N7 Y1 {

7 W6 p# S! r8 s7 K+ l無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 T/ B6 a5 Y6 y, b: l4 h

7 P/ M# L6 n: S; Q# b% U敬請各師兄解答: y% y' k" V: q: @( B2 [4 V
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  9 b/ H1 s1 }& x
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產6 \8 b+ ~  {) Q" M. O$ V. c
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; g- q+ G! Y- F8 E# v於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊2 q3 Y( ?& F* N. [
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
; w  Z" Y5 Z4 g! y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 d; {. r8 a1 ]
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( c, U! U( x1 z/ r) e9 J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: ]8 k8 E, P. L3 A# f+ k同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
3 d3 w7 s8 y: f2 E# B. B但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
: l9 R+ ^! [: f9 T( M例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ( I3 y& L! ?2 q% J# ^3 n
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
9 E' d  C& R; p. E  p所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, , O% Q7 ?+ h7 y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 ~( e& P' g4 |" H0 H9 ?! R1 h, j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 X8 }- G* g5 M+ o+ M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- ~+ t# ^) b4 q+ C; r唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , R9 y! i4 Q4 g! ~2 p: J1 G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( U( A8 L3 V& v5 O' @9 e呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 j6 m' H4 @) \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
% ~0 g; q5 Y( k; r6 ^) i其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業( R* v6 n1 d" ?% g5 \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 F. |% y* i: a0 P4 f4 u9 \

% s" L+ U# @6 y7 T+ H' W再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
' B7 ?7 T$ f. M- J/ c: C連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( V5 N3 {. L: x3 B' e, p一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* G% `8 _: p- C( B/ M7 d6 x編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! D( Q1 L7 e, v5 f, Q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
! H. p" N8 o$ [' x- Y% ^7 [因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 l: l" u# G2 V而家就要多生產, 少消費
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