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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! i9 x4 e  W  A$ X1 A- o- DWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 z0 F: y) D7 GI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢  w% `# O! M$ i: W3 X
so銀行可以不斷放款
' n" c- L$ O6 P: {; B美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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' S- q' H: Y0 N2 Y; L6 s, smortgage loan $ k- w. Z! t0 t$ n
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities). o9 g4 d8 d& e2 y8 I% ^4 K6 S% K
>arranger
2 H* t  e# X4 f' ~  R' H>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ O! H, r" |1 o/ h2 T
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
& G1 {' T: j) ~7 tCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% d2 ^6 p' W' u: l$ G! w6 Nmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.9 _$ V9 [9 K4 c4 i7 Q
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 Z! a4 G5 j  A+ m- X1 Rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
6 I4 J9 w) X" k% cAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! }  V$ ^8 S  I  s, E! csimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 Z# w" M; ^( l+ N# I
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # K3 V; N- I$ ]- c: E2 U, O+ u
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) B" F$ Q- E, R% h, A
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.7 x9 v8 o- I5 f9 ?5 x' p4 [  j
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( C5 P9 s2 Z8 @: H5 Y3 N' P
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,  N. J( n' ?2 q- O  z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
, m, `/ b. r6 M7 s7 E: vThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / ^. s5 z. u6 T2 j$ s9 a: c
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly." Q# Y) n" F1 r' `  \# [$ K
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 G* {. N+ P" J. E0 i/ S! o
Refer to last example,5 g8 ~" V( n* j; p& v; S
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 0 Y3 X5 G8 R" G6 T9 l
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 p4 b% A+ h5 B5 etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% x4 z1 h) H$ U8 n, y0 w; u# lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, # \0 i3 }9 }' C. a( A- Y! W4 \3 W* ?
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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+ h7 M! o1 N, E0 s$ ~$ pthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) l# d& X& U9 M$ g
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
2 C/ l% X; P6 `+ R+ c. jit's the problem of the debt itself.
/ f' m* s8 Z, k5 ~the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; n6 y/ P4 q3 M% X! K小弟一直都唔明...6 R# a5 T6 x: E. C5 ?

1 `# J/ ]' Z2 y% x- N- C* y! H+ K! T全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ [. V  Y4 V3 T
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...8 \! k+ k1 C+ w

# j0 n' c% C# g' r" W) Y敬請各師兄解答
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! G+ u% L, U6 `+ [1 RThanks
' U. y( g( s5 ^' B  Z0 K6 r0 T那些根本係 紙上財富  # W4 x6 z# ~" ^- {
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產5 _2 J, U/ Y. a9 _1 g# `* E
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高2 d4 e! Y, t* Q( r3 O
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 _. F+ s' I7 E1 E! \0 e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
% K7 [5 Q; m: ]扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,$ R, B* E% T& h
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
# j$ K2 E$ G" I) M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 P6 v) c/ K( w5 |1 `
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 ]+ [! Z; |3 ]: i4 K但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 A- h7 D" ^" s* ^3 ?) L
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ Z! d- e. Q+ O+ ~咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
% ], m4 ?) G1 D. H8 c; G所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" |7 @* p5 |5 U( F/ f* g
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ( m3 G/ g- P  R2 a* d6 b# \
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; f0 B2 o6 I4 b8 a! u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" @1 A$ Q4 t% V3 J% b7 a# U呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 T% T8 y0 j1 x, ^3 |2 T: p咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 C6 T; {* D$ E0 }- w1 n# l
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ _3 v& ^4 K- D1 Z& d) |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; o2 P2 C1 k/ i) {
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' Q/ N% x2 B# R2 @! P: z! w
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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/ K1 A- w* y3 [$ U+ W$ v正係咁樣
4 G# e4 K( p9 G" P, ?9 l9 }! U& L其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
; {% s/ u! s$ s/ h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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# \- g4 ~& U' F$ h6 G1 t再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% b0 |' h3 E" G+ U  u+ Z9 e連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: h9 `4 q" x5 K7 _' n# S1 ^
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- K0 p( @7 C# f" ~
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 n. h& x6 ]2 h( L% K" E. P4 L+ b咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
/ [1 n* }  v+ n, e; ^因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 Z' L, C9 ~- y' ?0 O: C而家就要多生產, 少消費
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