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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- c$ I  O6 i7 i' F: O; F5 k
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???. b0 b: Z3 q3 E" S! e' \7 h
I was so confused.....
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7 Q$ g0 _- p' N5 [3 _8 t4 @) ?9 W講到尾都係賺錢
6 |. J. T- C% P4 kso銀行可以不斷放款
5 p/ a3 [, n1 R/ Y美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan * a/ m% M& f3 G9 A+ O9 x/ q
>conduit
5 j3 v- B8 o6 h9 L, ]( W>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)0 h4 J: Z* ~! e; C
>arranger7 C- O$ A; r* M
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 t3 {( Z" ^" A  |CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- j, t! L3 o" X: {6 m" V2 _more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
$ s) @. K( H, |1 wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 S9 y0 O" J2 J- p/ W" s" x/ g+ A1 Hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
& j  U& b' D* ~Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  V. O( g- c( `# N9 g8 r# [. E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,7 f+ `1 z/ S: w+ d% ^8 T- n3 H
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 P$ n6 m8 U& H# q$ xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' y. p6 K$ v6 p' A9 Q/ Hbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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9 {' `* J' _2 [im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
4 S# y4 g5 A9 d  ^3 r! i0 Pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 s' I5 U2 O& ?+ V
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# V- k( w1 \$ _% z8 {
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 A' G8 S3 Q! Z2 q' Y: m
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ Z9 ?/ L- }7 ]3 _but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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% U4 k% ], T3 k. V& F[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% K  X" d& \- L; C# s! YRefer to last example,( |" ~) x' v9 \7 _. g. Q/ F
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 I  I/ Z$ C, D" v: `8 e: A
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand & o/ h) `  f7 ?3 ?3 {/ L6 l- |% d
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
: E, Q- Y3 u4 u' t2 b5 uso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
2 K" X6 ]: l% J$ R" rall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?- H1 `8 A1 t9 e$ [+ p& g+ b
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/ n9 K) k& a- w/ o7 U% Fthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, & }2 w3 k5 M7 q8 [$ s
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 t7 J/ q9 K6 e& M
it's the problem of the debt itself.
( U  d: }+ ?; A9 @* @1 uthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 X$ l2 j% n  W, H/ u$ H
小弟一直都唔明.... `" ^; z) }: O: D

+ X) \  T  b% C, {3 e全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?. w& U$ O( d2 M4 o' ]( R
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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! I4 m% h8 O# j& ?. U7 m9 P敬請各師兄解答2 k) _$ L0 F- l$ l3 ?1 G0 j/ a

6 ^% {1 I) O6 R. k3 i* rThanks
- R# j8 m3 _# G  D) r: I那些根本係 紙上財富  6 M: |' S) U* M+ K% V; z+ ~) w; e
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) j. F& R; P! c8 l2 M" A* U
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' w, S1 V8 A; d3 K
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高# Z* h; T4 X0 s  L
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: j$ h; |/ {1 A' C' [個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦7 y4 J' B" M4 B/ S/ j, f
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,* k4 S4 `! K2 P0 F( z" l4 U3 R, `
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 X$ F4 |9 N9 l6 `前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 I. c8 a/ W6 Y9 E# G6 o同埋個市場既前境要係好先得5 q; X1 O0 t' O) j3 u7 }/ r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
; L4 ]( ~2 F8 _6 v例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' |4 T. H2 j7 `& a6 n# l
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
% y) D  o+ b6 `- M所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. _$ B1 G* {7 }( W
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ x% v+ M8 `; V2 j/ |  m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & l/ a5 j( Z3 z9 L1 f+ e" ^9 l
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / H+ Y6 U$ x) E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 I9 U: A& n9 p2 }; j! P7 O
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! {: Y9 ?8 r$ D+ d, x# ~唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 O& u- b  K. a$ N( F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & k' D$ x7 a  _4 a6 e$ l
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 Y# I- v' K& x( Q5 B8 o; c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
5 ?* s9 r! ]" Q. j  q1 \其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 J5 H2 T4 h5 c8 q' q  Z分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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! I- M! w! @8 S! [再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: W& @& \) d# n' o1 y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 A3 `4 _( s3 t5 q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 k9 N' m  J2 x$ A/ j編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! F1 u# H4 k  r; T6 n  l1 C' k0 j- M: {
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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# @" Q" d' @( w& w( D  s1 l其實係...
- s& I* y4 b+ p1 b6 T. O因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 d; G+ Q" C0 V" |( Y& m! @而家就要多生產, 少消費
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