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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ f5 y7 c3 F4 M; n, b
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
- d9 a/ `7 H$ s( I% `& XI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢8 {- q" @# T+ k9 v5 E8 _. L
so銀行可以不斷放款
& C/ j( ]6 c1 ]! P* }" l美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界/ K' C2 b& r+ k% K" L- r9 Z5 j) X8 ~2 m, h
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mortgage loan ( J9 `& ~( ^4 J' t4 Y/ `% X
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.8 ^3 }3 Y- F' `- t! R; N
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; @$ [: c* ]( B3 Hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* T. Z2 u- U+ _
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ Z+ |  h6 x& \* cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
$ P' p2 k2 F- P5 y! g( D* Q+ \( jAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.; k5 u! G$ G8 z/ X# w' m+ X; m
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,$ g. o7 e. Y: G9 @
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 @# E% ~, E$ n0 l4 |! N
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % F2 }) m6 A* t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.- G' c0 y7 c4 p+ l# l' K4 C- Z+ l. L
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 ]5 R1 a2 A0 z! E0 k6 J1 [7 ~
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 k' K3 R6 \; w+ {2 K: P0 w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. G' A, z* ^2 `7 ]- o1 C/ N
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.) i% u2 e; Q6 v& U; _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 V+ {: ^# O0 H! b' `  s- [& _; k
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.8 F# a) s4 o( d% \$ I6 }9 Q0 ^

' T0 Q8 [$ a8 W" _* N2 k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; i& s* G1 s2 }- A- s$ q3 v/ N
Refer to last example,  b8 a# E: r; m& M, F2 i; k9 v. P+ B* x9 @
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
1 j: }: _5 Z* B$ S5 RBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
8 i3 B6 N9 n6 k/ xtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 i8 j1 v! ^0 H' L3 l7 ~A->B->C->D->E
# R( v; d$ U% U; P7 l3 lso does it mean if E failed to pay D, + L+ @5 ?! S0 G  y  \- L
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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) J# b3 Z& P% X& hthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 W- U/ Q0 R$ Q2 x( e' |$ B
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / S6 {% P0 q2 r- S0 k
it's the problem of the debt itself.* z: o1 d: p2 a* p
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) r6 X1 z& y# |' v% z$ p
小弟一直都唔明...
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, v, k6 f# i4 }/ L全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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' U6 B5 i- c6 @( O無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( P, n4 R: Z! h" f
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # R) O8 a; E4 j+ ~0 x" n
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
0 a- d- C* g( g5 n3 W9 M  U% B4 e當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- D" W' M! x9 I! m' e於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 V' j5 [! A( y( k6 K& O個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( H3 v% \+ ?8 }; O' {2 M
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* l( {& c4 h# {( S6 p0 |計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
, Q; U6 n6 t& P  V+ B- H5 z" u+ P前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法4 O$ S& Q5 U5 Z
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 h6 o( e; y; W; @! @! X* ~  m; X
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! N) x  P7 W, X3 c3 L" V$ g; f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
/ y9 R: I) h8 z) \* O; h咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%+ X# c4 o( Y! \; c$ J
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) D/ l% m; \% X# o, F

) \5 }8 B$ O* b8 q/ h0 ?你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ O8 y! J# L0 G3 T# `但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + S, }4 @3 [9 d5 w/ j7 G# H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : r: r  _) L8 i  D- ~% a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& e( N% P7 Y( R$ O9 T: a* i& C
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( Y( c- y% g) ]) U' F唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 N# Q/ e! J; k( v0 S7 ^% }淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; d3 y3 j8 o, X& j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' F9 c" q; K0 \- [2 \
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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. f* @. h( m2 B# W) q8 u正係咁樣
" c6 n4 h! s4 J0 c* R) p- D- _其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 U5 [7 K1 y( O1 b" r' Y) F( z
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 }) F/ z+ T6 y, R( H; k4 x

6 F5 x2 C! p2 [" t  ?- W再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ c* r) |; v8 K/ Q- Z3 w
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
" X2 M- d$ L5 J' A2 K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
: K0 S2 \* H" V4 I編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 Q4 C2 R! E9 N% W; e咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
9 y& j; L: y: B9 S+ N) k; s因為以前未生產, 先消費2 S9 _3 |% s7 P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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