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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 q3 k* o4 d' c- _  |Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. k& s( t; i* v8 N' `' D4 [I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款3 z! D3 h2 y3 l  ^* [) |9 {# W" B, j
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界  d3 |, @* C  x. I$ N0 z

7 }6 z9 ]' f  e3 Emortgage loan
# ~- [4 k& g8 l0 A>conduit0 r5 J* {% I( Y3 r# }
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 q- E5 r3 {; d- q. a  a+ L
>arranger
3 P' v( E# K0 ~: a. E0 P4 _9 x>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- d/ d+ q  _: j1 s3 K8 R$ p2 |; v8 ]CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ p9 ^, u, ~, d2 _1 @2 G
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! r- T" u, D, J9 B- M% F( m
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,/ C% O1 i6 G& p2 t) p0 s0 U
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
! J0 i! O. W5 Y% [Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* _7 Q) l% e! d7 @) S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* k0 U8 t! q$ ?2 s" k) W' \# ^
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. : |1 I+ ]5 \" M2 H
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 a- L- S9 K, x% E, Z
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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& X4 _) F% X+ n7 _' h* l% W7 {4 f' pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! P% E  y% {8 ~1 k8 Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: {5 _: S. i' E3 WFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" {% d) q: M3 b( q) \A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.. H- Z$ Q' \$ _) A5 y+ u+ k+ N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. . F0 b2 m, B2 e
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 T1 I3 \( G! y/ t% D" S, h
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ~7 v5 v$ C. c5 A* M* |: s: h/ I! U# _
Refer to last example,1 ]- O7 s4 k6 [0 ?( }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ c. A. L' y: D: J0 L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 3 W4 L  G$ R( T$ f4 R
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! h1 c6 Y4 V2 ]# D# g1 ^so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 L2 r5 e! ?( N6 R" \% |all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
2 s* k2 F( |5 i8 |% d5 `2 k/ ?$ Kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
; Q, y3 [7 X! l  @: ^it's the problem of the debt itself.
5 S% V9 _# U( J. z: Hthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 k: q8 c5 P: @1 P小弟一直都唔明...
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6 |, M1 E1 f0 B. K0 y$ `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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3 e8 M9 J% u- ]8 _4 v0 B. q+ A8 z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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6 g  Q! x2 ]8 I3 @敬請各師兄解答6 m/ [8 B* ^( b; t
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # _. D7 y% f+ R9 u7 U! C7 Y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 W& j0 R( O8 Q/ i1 Q, v
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ O3 b& c8 J5 u& W當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 |( M- J0 Z7 d! }5 P! ~7 g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊4 U" g" O( v7 g5 v/ _
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
. [$ P5 B2 c! ]& X+ C  ^扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,. J# }& U7 W6 _( A: [# ]- t8 U
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺7 r3 l* q' k+ U0 @
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- f$ T3 F. t3 s( x6 c6 ?同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ D" U% n' e) H8 m, H. M
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) Q, e2 D7 I" Q3 R7 S$ F例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, , W, W9 M+ ~/ v, _
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, f. c. p! u7 b" I) @# }, S
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( X% O* \1 |7 _; G' u7 R) G( I0 t5 L

' b6 ~# q: i/ Y- G你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, - f, _" E/ F7 _' k3 N+ d7 d
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& K$ X) B5 x* L3 l2 t/ z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
7 @* D1 o% Q; {) n; n  v+ e& R1 x; j呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 T8 U3 R$ `5 n9 @0 G4 z% e
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 A7 n8 n. }8 a& \8 u5 M
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 C) M- q, J1 ?' s& s, `9 Q- N淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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* _+ x* h1 v& g" k! U1 g正係咁樣
* C* m2 Q( {& S% u8 @其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業8 r6 L! ^2 m6 W* q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& Y# ]8 w, q5 D2 `連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
( ?0 Z+ H8 |: a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產0 I& R' n$ k2 c6 l2 s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ J: K" T# x; v0 _! C% Z# x# H咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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# C! z# G9 P% N" p  h1 `其實係...) h0 H* l1 \' h' @7 _% I* p  s
因為以前未生產, 先消費: ?' c' T) K: q4 Q  `3 P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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