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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 O# |5 v  e( X
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???: ?9 R2 O$ p  x5 U9 A  K
I was so confused.....
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. U0 {9 _* C  `7 F0 y4 [# e( t講到尾都係賺錢
3 X1 ^4 u2 P* }3 |: K; d( ]/ @$ `so銀行可以不斷放款7 {: j8 Y! D7 e$ n, N. t. f
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界9 I$ A0 o- v, D4 l. a0 z# B/ u/ \4 K

. p# B1 e! ]# x" I6 wmortgage loan 9 F1 v( @1 R4 ]; H2 i0 b7 I2 R
>conduit& T2 R9 i- h" E; s# z
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)0 ]' Z- W1 m& i* @9 G# o
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
0 w  f0 f) Q) g% o' _9 J  ~CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
$ ~7 B( {" q8 Cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* Q: Z6 n, z, I6 ^
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,) p& l) `6 m0 l2 ^4 F3 p; C
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; v  h8 m1 S/ t# yAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 n" O! h( `4 `! Y
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
  u$ t; p# J2 v) ]normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 G. V: R, w. ?* l+ E
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ; h& o, a5 t! E+ n1 Q0 k
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 k& ?- I( N9 ?$ N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 x0 E( h; Q# M
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 W2 X( Q: I. z/ |4 W! \1 p6 @) l6 A
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- L, k* j& \8 A4 f3 TA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- h4 C0 e, C( E* Z+ gThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
* A' j( }9 {+ K2 ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.* d6 N$ K8 a1 L2 K

. C, T" `# q6 W3 e1 Q) J% W, P: T0 U[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. ]; l  S0 p; f8 o% R
Refer to last example,& W7 b5 J+ }+ e7 w
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 5 l0 j! _; G) k$ o) n& L" U% O
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , x* R  ~( {1 Z" T
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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1 L2 V% n& O0 k2 {& cA->B->C->D->E
7 R& y- J9 }; Z9 Y7 J8 i2 jso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
" p( s% T( X- ^4 h8 W2 rall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ K! I9 U7 [0 b3 R4 f$ M) J
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 H# k3 T5 Y% ?2 s1 |) G0 A- M4 w  w; R7 r
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , o1 l  Z8 ^: C, [* ~) {% z
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 h1 p/ T/ A# n
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" |9 f& h( c( |) T# ^$ |
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 e8 {6 a( c( o5 I7 v" c7 U
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敬請各師兄解答
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2 l$ M& V, C9 qThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, q2 k* h3 t' M各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 J8 U. ^. Y) ]& Q
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. z2 v8 Q. [; N$ _$ I1 b6 z當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
8 }8 |# j3 U, i! a1 M1 O於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 G) W! O" E$ O
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦9 a& W8 ~) E5 g1 E) K' a
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
1 U) b- b5 v7 B/ ^  X! k計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 ^3 x! q8 c2 r. k4 _. z. l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 A0 b2 W" X9 K) Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 m0 k& d' J/ @/ a9 F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 V9 a% `9 W, |3 C0 w例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 |/ D: L+ Q* F# b" ]$ J2 _+ p  t
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%& f" @' `. D- W2 H5 ]! N
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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" h2 r$ [, t) Y5 K3 l你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
; E" W6 _  r7 ~; K8 j) G, U但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ z- T5 f' U' ], P6 E/ a2 s淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 x: k# Z  @5 c4 ?  F+ O) b' B6 M) u呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 z7 ^! n  V9 z* G$ d, |1 d" E咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, N& R/ Y! Q  g, w8 [7 s0 W
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 z) l  `, K/ E/ q6 w! v5 |
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + {; [/ a( j* u
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行5 H% @- ?8 u8 L
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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' C0 h2 V# z# x0 q& J; w1 }正係咁樣
  z& G4 w( f3 G6 e8 H# f其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
5 x2 K1 b! L0 A1 d1 R分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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! W* ~1 I" @: V, U. }再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  N( M" f9 ]3 g$ y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
; V# @# G6 f, F7 }  J+ n一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產! m  U: F1 a5 g6 f7 o, }
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 [, K5 z6 d6 p5 L1 N咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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7 n% R+ K! m& d% j5 M# a其實係...
% t" G3 P5 m- d& a! g/ U2 ^因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ u. ~! k5 f# j  ^1 r( q而家就要多生產, 少消費
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