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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, }( o* B/ ]9 O$ ]Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' K6 t  |# Y' l0 `# vI was so confused.....
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2 L8 l) D7 @& s) c) G, t. E8 K. A講到尾都係賺錢
6 F7 f4 s( s# f! Z( A) J0 Iso銀行可以不斷放款( `- \! G6 Z3 L; G" M& @* K' g  ?6 h
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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6 I. g/ }( h' s: ?, E# lmortgage loan " U9 Q* @9 n! y! O6 @: {
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- z0 X/ X8 \! ^9 g7 p, i3 J5 R$ G>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)- j4 x6 r  Z; m; b0 J# O* o; {7 V7 Z
>arranger
/ @. l8 ?" P2 M+ @>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
( x6 @# F" e5 t% SCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 [& D) R- z' l% q0 V& _/ p
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
& L; m) K' I) e9 Dmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
* g6 c: u/ ^6 x! Ain other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.1 w$ e, I2 k, A% X1 l6 U
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.9 s( q. y: T  L3 [2 f: U; _& ^
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ v$ Q9 `; \2 s. }6 l
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 ]2 [, V* c6 n- m; P2 s$ {
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! ^! H2 @0 Q  k# g" B' B/ {
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, d8 F+ |! R/ o  A; m. Bim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.1 Q! E5 T8 K$ t$ J# }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 m, g& [7 \$ ~4 m1 H
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,& \- P# b) i, h+ Q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: y% I* O! {1 J/ N$ p- i5 u" r
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! G0 ]" _9 Q% {: D
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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# o4 U8 `, Z4 N# U) n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 l1 e. S8 S  `; O8 VRefer to last example,
4 x5 f% ~" k4 Zthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
0 }) Z. U9 Q0 Q$ U2 jBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand + B, U% a$ i4 J5 E" b, X+ p
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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& ^4 z) `9 T" z! b6 m  @A->B->C->D->E
- C5 _2 [; \0 R' gso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 D) e  R+ N3 v3 C" i* I' [all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ |9 f4 B& i0 T5 @* M$ u/ S
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 h/ I) _( U/ _5 b
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
/ v' b% k7 N4 }. {, U8 n! Sit's the problem of the debt itself.
6 j% I' k7 E' q% v. z4 b" p+ I/ Ithe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ F( W/ L2 J+ W+ v$ _/ D' N
小弟一直都唔明...! W4 r/ I9 h4 i; R3 s, B; t
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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  \) K- u' ]- ~$ b敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
* `/ L  X, R# e9 R1 v8 n那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 ?, T6 D& I+ `4 z) \各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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3 b3 c& F3 U+ S: V# D9 [! vhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產7 |) W5 g) I6 x6 o/ I6 K
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
3 }2 ~; O- m* b' u% J7 V於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 o8 m  T$ _. M( F. V- b
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 U& {. g8 p9 f# ^+ X$ j4 n( X6 [扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 X4 ~8 }! g3 ~) B4 C
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: j0 G  F! j$ _
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* O8 V" n2 b9 P5 U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ r/ w' H/ d1 u9 C- n但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( f% n) @: d+ A: g0 X# V( w6 S例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 o. O/ I5 f; z: u: }: G/ q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%3 Q: A$ ]. @  o2 _7 e4 ~9 s0 V: Q
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 8 r* k+ K2 `1 m4 b6 @( B0 O
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 {- m) {$ v8 d6 a5 a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & ^6 ]( g5 X( ~8 m/ |0 a
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, F" t9 {; N  x" y$ j
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 1 e; r( L8 ^* C, g2 @' @7 f( M
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / P  Q! |3 s4 X: a/ e6 W$ @6 f9 q. r
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 v$ i. O9 }( e$ {5 p' A
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 u- {% f8 B) |$ }: T
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 k% d' x1 A- Q9 j
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 @# o* l% R$ t再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,, a7 J9 _$ l' t# l% B
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! N3 l! a/ T# K+ N0 ^) a一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. q2 S- ]) N& R9 w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* ?% G  j; [$ t6 ]# d6 C; t咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
9 m- O( x$ X8 ?4 p因為以前未生產, 先消費
4 p$ b+ g" B5 L3 y而家就要多生產, 少消費
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