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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. e) }# f4 d  v( ?& y# Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ D* \+ W0 H9 [3 r2 S. KI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢" T5 |! x9 d. p& F, {
so銀行可以不斷放款
0 s% C. J. L+ n美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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  V" o* [8 T3 t# X>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.' v. L* L( t2 ~0 W/ L4 T' H9 }
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 o( a7 q" f1 Q7 U* n' o, P
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* s3 m# V; E8 ?
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,- G/ B- \3 I3 C5 {% F0 r4 M: \
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.7 a% t, ]) G' u* w, @6 W
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ n' b5 ?0 |# E* t* f- U; T
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
. y$ C: i% z, |4 }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
9 W3 i# x; {: X5 M* A4 x# Zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
: K! A1 z9 h2 t0 R2 qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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1 @) Q4 ?% i( cim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
" r. `! A7 g* r! x  H- _in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.* f; a7 F% Q1 C5 Z+ \! B8 x9 f* ~
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- K0 @+ f7 x" Y- XA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 c: s6 }& W1 @3 A' ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! G0 k7 P1 N# w
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.+ k' v# v5 Z" j

2 M8 y/ x2 d; D$ b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. Y# I* {) t/ m- a
Refer to last example,1 P$ I1 b# K( [8 E" B% J  [
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
4 ]' n& v8 J1 m' _Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
1 C/ T. ~! R% U8 I& Gtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E% S- P' B. b7 S- H4 C
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 u6 g5 }- m& R
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) H4 ~  u! k* r6 H0 e2 W+ Z
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, - O$ {' Z7 H* p; h* N( r
it's the problem of the debt itself.
) @+ x2 D/ F0 l3 k  i, Nthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) A" v2 d- u! Q+ l. L
小弟一直都唔明...% F7 g4 U4 i# i: _

9 i1 [' K" a( F8 V( J: Q: h全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* U* ^# I+ B8 B) r
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛..." A: b. X/ @8 L6 P
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敬請各師兄解答
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" y$ {- {7 E' E; }* Q. @Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  / Y2 ^$ s; n( a
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產: S* Y- q2 m& O5 b, k. U
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# _. t  M  ^( a5 s% G8 Z4 O於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" @. ]. f5 i& H) h1 y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦% K: y7 ^% d  j( M! s0 R
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,8 G# ^. m7 g. l% B
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
  F# c7 ~! `: c$ u) k! D! P前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
( C; o' H; _. v4 a( N同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
5 y3 q! O7 o1 N8 K但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 I% t0 _4 w! ~' v2 C" f例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, . r0 G, G7 S5 g7 L7 B& Z; R- u
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
2 z7 {! C9 e6 T% |+ o4 L7 O0 c所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ C( `9 u  O' a( e# Z

  m( ~. [7 I1 h7 L) H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* x- s( X# U8 b8 ~- c, Q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 0 x* M# M9 {3 `- m/ K
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' K8 R+ c) J" ]5 O: f
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 z; b- }% u+ t% L8 t7 E8 u5 M$ ^
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ W; h6 ?: b' Z3 g% [唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 Y2 x5 B6 r: D- s* b8 U淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 o! v+ H; r* H. [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 ^. r8 |: C1 o* I. v! B7 F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ @" N+ J' ~0 ~# l$ k4 \分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% V6 h0 y7 m9 C- v5 A: P; V6 i4 k連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 q& _3 M3 n) ]( n+ c: l+ \
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產$ {$ ^! r8 {6 q' L7 e
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) r2 ^: ~; l! r$ P
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...- @* G/ u# e5 f9 B& E+ U# ^8 d
因為以前未生產, 先消費
! V- ~5 N* |5 m5 j而家就要多生產, 少消費
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