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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' _! U, {, O- N2 \  ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 v+ R2 d" n& P: @' Q9 Y: h& l% MI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
8 A) O7 m  Y# lso銀行可以不斷放款
4 g/ U2 Z8 C1 b4 j) e0 k美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 i1 y2 p$ @# Q7 p
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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, o( r$ M: ^% l9 l4 u6 n& W/ D>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
/ d0 ?( E- w' Q$ d" ICDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; P, S+ r5 L( b( u, U9 B
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) G& B" {* {. w  L
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,; G; t4 A2 P9 o& W7 r2 C/ L# K0 ?
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.& k: w) ]8 u$ V7 p* @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.  [1 n4 I6 t+ I0 g- i1 |' p
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
- ^1 K7 E' z7 s# k% z: y! f8 p( hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! K) O6 d1 s/ G, I# Ceg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
. t% q% |- c2 Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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: O  R7 e4 ~' }& V$ n8 Z+ \im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.7 Z4 G1 h! l, q7 l3 B# U
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 ]( X5 }3 {; U/ z: d- r* i
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ ^& s( G/ R7 ?% [
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 B. V9 i+ V2 E1 TThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
' k: s1 U5 e' k$ Rbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" e- U3 K1 E" j* U1 E, s/ U& x
Refer to last example,# i1 p( z" s' i; L, D! f1 ~$ O9 r5 t9 P
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 9 t2 ^( l/ L, c5 V/ c: x
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
( w! o/ p* O$ x5 ]2 Q8 Qtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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1 F, o# O$ T' k4 b; M8 ^1 uA->B->C->D->E
- ~: G$ d6 l- u8 Q, |5 t/ Q& wso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
) L1 X2 i( R* Z! d5 Jall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?4 H8 {) D, x8 x" O  ?& G

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/ P+ b4 f& G, h) F$ [! ^the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . m& B# q& ^. P5 d  ]0 k2 s
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
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the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: i3 R( L5 ]3 m9 t5 J
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?" g+ S5 P6 _6 x9 y! B7 P

$ U- @* m: Q2 `無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  u/ U3 k3 {9 j( j
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " ?. H7 ?+ t! f0 U
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 Y' r; o$ x7 o" r7 f& A  r  Q1 g
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" b' G6 l: q4 X! b& S當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( U) {1 k% c' g( s4 R% ^8 x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊& H1 c1 o' Z$ w, a' F
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
# g* q! D0 m5 T# C8 d% a% J扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
7 `) Q* x0 m5 ^# k1 ~計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 D7 M% |* s. j( e9 }) t1 G1 n
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
/ V& C5 g. g& ?5 H3 X8 Q8 K, m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得1 @' ?3 I# o! s  {5 C
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺  d$ s) A3 g7 ?/ H1 I: U
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 c( R% E6 H& H8 \& P$ s' j
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# Q& {' w0 R- y- Y! u0 v2 J, ~' R' x
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 ]3 R4 |2 R: t" p* _3 ^% l

. \4 h9 n/ h' ~/ R) J# }" M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! _) p6 {0 s4 o# m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  h. B% O5 X; n淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# F, x  s, Q( j( ~& w/ I7 M呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. S, y# J1 s1 o0 k: z! Y) O' i
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* A7 p1 g" K/ Z3 Z) `) j, J
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, + ~1 e( P7 M$ M+ Y5 ]2 q& k0 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + v9 c: ^1 Y/ f$ g7 G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 s1 ^! h' G" y+ R, O+ [咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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6 M9 d  W4 q5 V1 F: ~( a- {正係咁樣
$ s3 \. J  }& y: y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ }: a7 a" N9 f0 K) M分分鐘佢地唔使還錢5 H: d2 B/ Z) q9 v( V( q
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% e! i6 N* E7 b/ b連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
9 {4 }- t6 ?% f- |5 T" \0 G2 h一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
0 ?% J- F& R1 {8 l編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( Q: H6 D* Y0 z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...# k6 m% z: I6 i9 U' @) @5 ]; C, Q
因為以前未生產, 先消費
0 o( [' p) v8 p6 ^+ W而家就要多生產, 少消費
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