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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  u* k2 Q6 ?& ^1 F' }Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
. G& O  ~  y( I- W! i$ pI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢5 D4 r" b) X3 @+ _8 i% q
so銀行可以不斷放款
3 F% v) N* y! N  |8 E: k" `' a& E1 W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' r9 y- f7 @+ P

# R$ }; f  S$ Omortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; K6 k6 ~# S1 ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
, ?7 X9 J, r% p7 c, lmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% d+ I9 t- [" b7 p5 ]main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ {$ m: V3 f3 g# y# y) Q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' W3 @2 v- z4 ~6 g6 sAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& ?  K' U; y2 P8 q+ W) b
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( w4 C% T7 M7 N8 {( B
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
' h7 f2 ]! K- M4 Y8 geg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. " J$ ?* B& m; R- Z; U+ w
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.3 C1 `0 l0 h2 Z9 M' F6 H' [" ^, f7 M; B

$ H6 }; v1 c4 W' B* s1 o$ J+ Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 |0 Y0 I  R4 D+ I  W' ^' fin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
6 C. J: W8 }! J, y9 Z. \For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
# w2 g  u4 [! ^. A7 d$ h+ dA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ r0 n! x3 _* r. O0 U6 OThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.   }# Q1 o' p% x5 M# {3 b! G
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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9 }& L* Q/ P6 G. h: L- E7 u[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ k4 k* g$ l3 ~Refer to last example,
! j6 W1 m+ r7 j- K  ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 M; g& o, H. b& F9 vBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
0 \/ W% |7 Q6 ?. N$ P) D6 ?, m) Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E+ J& \$ _% ^2 D0 Q
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 7 u8 Z2 r& D9 t. _5 B  q& U4 N
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
, N5 h7 Q1 N+ o) f0 Xit's the problem of the debt itself.& Q4 ~0 Z5 J- q: F+ D) b
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 Z6 M( v! c; r% E6 r
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...' O! n1 t/ g5 A! e. l
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敬請各師兄解答2 d- |6 E6 o/ ~# u& `# p

( j! X8 `. q5 i1 ?7 EThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  $ W( r2 W1 j1 @5 r# s8 u1 S
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; ?  u1 ?, ?6 R+ B3 E: I

- s9 G6 A2 k- ?* V3 g0 x4 }http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" Q5 L1 n4 A% M4 `' G當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
' w" C% Y6 e. t* a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; d) F3 R3 N% J* V4 m! x, |3 V) s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 E. c; X5 v4 Y9 L1 l扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,% z+ o% P4 q  F& T- r( B8 L/ \
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 p+ p% x' q1 l% {& M+ L6 l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
; A. q3 c: [3 G' C+ L* e9 M同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; m' v- d/ ~+ V) K3 R# ]但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
- `6 g4 q( F  s7 Z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
$ F; S, H% [8 Y' b咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%) }3 A8 V* b' C0 H2 z+ X) [* X4 l
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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+ ?/ K0 M% e$ G8 t3 u. H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
9 k9 E( h9 P1 T( a2 x. ]但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 A. \, X: S4 o# j; [" d) V淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& T5 [. ~8 k& e) w) R呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& x5 ]! _' Y; ?; k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & O! U$ z: H+ u; C# p
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % {- A& t+ O6 x. W- Z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣
% j7 ^% V( b% _5 |; P+ n7 F& [其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 p  B, v  B  u/ B" C# N分分鐘佢地唔使還錢+ r" P- w/ n3 Z8 X1 j4 k; {
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 Q" z7 m; x3 h3 w) m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: X& K8 K2 m6 ]( l/ t3 r$ T一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, X9 _! i& m3 W* y2 F) N
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* E0 }, l+ s! S) i3 x2 \咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ [  J3 T2 d3 g而家就要多生產, 少消費
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