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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 M4 D; u3 f* {$ X& `
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
! [& k8 K/ ~2 u/ n2 }I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
5 r: J* J% b5 I* i+ w4 c; ]so銀行可以不斷放款
0 o  n! d8 Z5 x- I: `3 T  V! _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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, v" ^- G4 s, m# r. W; w2 r>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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) Z, X. S9 M1 e3 h4 s4 a0 O+ k>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)3 x( X) A5 ]+ p# |
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; n  d3 n- x4 N+ l' NCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% n; e$ H  W& D: n; ]( H# N
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ L& q6 j2 B6 F# |main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 T: {: ]7 W" P/ Zin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ N( K& f" I  J; _# }& V, y$ T
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# C1 D9 }& M6 L8 h# b$ H  Z9 ?9 {similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; G  y1 m( r7 S' {" @5 gnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
3 y8 p: J# G+ N, ^/ C! Neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 r* w# R6 f7 ~; A
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
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For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
, O* u' F) l; U& Z" ~A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- ^6 ^' h& h' _, N
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - K3 U7 l" f! w: s0 v' [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.0 _$ v$ T  Z, {
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 l2 d' D! H9 ~; c" U
Refer to last example,
7 Y( C. c6 Q& z, C) jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 x  ~) J5 b, e0 f; g2 |Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand & K3 U" P$ V8 h7 j1 z% H- J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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. I6 R$ Y5 j9 ^A->B->C->D->E
! t1 U- i+ l7 y9 v& z6 Bso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
7 O" @  q# X/ rall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 Y! H# A; ]" S( @' w8 S
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, / L( {: X' [. @7 W9 N! B( y
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  S; G( [# \4 g4 X9 |0 Vit's the problem of the debt itself.
, D) u4 o  v  J: k! ^the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?1 g( _# H% V% l, t! o& }+ |

4 P# o/ b- w: ^無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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6 ~+ T6 ^* c( ?9 {" Z) J7 |, f/ M那些根本係 紙上財富  
& K- x+ i& U" E; u$ v$ m各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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, J2 e% F* E: shttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. E, x+ P8 X8 ]% s當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' m! K: ^/ X2 @% c* @
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊5 ]: H) T; n( j4 ~
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦. H' t  E4 o1 z# h% V; f
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,1 _- ^- F; _1 S% L! W
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' y1 ?: d2 G& O6 r* ?
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法! F$ I  r/ t4 o9 W
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ Z4 T7 ~) [4 X但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, D9 o( ^% Y& r$ M0 U3 e
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ; {( A7 d6 E2 A9 W$ n0 D
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  ]5 o6 _: i1 j所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; M1 H9 @1 X9 F1 |( Z, j0 }
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' V! X2 @6 Z1 M7 o+ b# `! |
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) B5 E. ^; v8 r/ P7 `
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 n9 |  S6 b! ?; T* o# }  L5 A6 r
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : s1 W/ U& b+ _
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 0 x  E4 [8 f' d" a5 ?5 W3 L& R3 \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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& }3 w* K* u; ?- U7 \& }6 V- G正係咁樣
8 h7 H) n! j, \2 Z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
3 G" ?; l+ K9 Y分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 x0 R6 L7 B. j' I7 X! v

* W6 w4 f  U3 g$ W/ e8 c3 e5 e再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
: d6 R4 x  ?- S* u- {0 c5 A連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ E* P$ w1 x2 i. t; b: l* w5 K
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% y8 j4 a) Q8 D3 [編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* K" r  ^  D6 f% J2 s! a咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...+ Z+ T; I; u5 I( G3 ^4 d& ?
因為以前未生產, 先消費
3 U# H8 z0 _6 s* z/ E. }而家就要多生產, 少消費
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