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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% w1 i  ^% R7 E8 {2 a: r* R
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢
/ @0 c+ q: H0 ]# H( F3 iso銀行可以不斷放款4 X! x1 X; t3 L3 T
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" A$ I+ \( P4 B: m3 `

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>arranger
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; M4 p1 n% @# r6 w# ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
( W9 I" F0 \# e$ wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) E/ j0 N/ ^  ~6 }
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" m  V5 U; w/ R" [7 {6 M& N' @in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 t( V/ ]; q5 H" v1 `" @5 N2 u) v
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 X8 q2 `( q8 p9 u9 U, K, V# ^+ Lsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 W( O3 O' _1 C9 p3 M1 D
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " B, x6 V3 R0 A1 D1 S( \7 ?4 P
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
( J3 Q2 k' X: Lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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6 G2 j# L) d# ]+ i5 s: L: M; g/ kim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
2 V) _4 n( E# @1 [in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards., x5 e" B7 r6 `, f* t* K+ F
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( Y( m" @/ D- L+ [% ~, o8 @
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  m) G0 e9 I: O7 h* I" gThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
. i3 E# q% _4 y9 D1 ^4 r" hbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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9 S: r" b( r$ a9 k[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 _9 L/ a1 F8 `5 U+ a6 J
Refer to last example,
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Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 6 w+ G" Z& ]  ~  o( w
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 Y' a; Z: w/ \5 A" b; e# W! UA->B->C->D->E
# z2 {$ w' e' qso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
1 T8 T: r0 K. I$ H  k1 Wall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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& j% d4 H) A# s: x7 ^" cthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
( r+ y% ?( ^6 d2 jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 R$ t5 l  V$ D% ]) i% |
it's the problem of the debt itself.8 r9 w7 }* @7 q6 w% y$ f* l
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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& K. G: V6 [3 C; T0 k1 ~無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 g: G: Y5 A' D) G  c* ?8 X$ c2 \
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
1 x, B" z$ w; T那些根本係 紙上財富  + h. e1 Q6 a4 I; z8 M
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 @' K" x) l# o" thttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 }  ]; Q8 n# Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高4 ^6 c; E% m( M7 [
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 T# x% \& @% W
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦: F6 H6 \! C& c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! ^) e0 c, G& D  v& p0 J
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺( H: d7 N* ?9 g4 D  _2 c% e0 _
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. o  |2 t. t) I同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% X; S5 ?0 M8 g
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" ?8 d$ t% @: t6 P& ]) i+ S$ [3 q# M
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
0 _$ Z4 S& O. g: w$ K# U* R. T咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 Z: ^! B' {% U9 G& ]$ |
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁& I3 A. V& f' Z

" J4 v/ o7 }9 F  ?0 P3 {你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! N# }1 t7 w( m但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( g1 s9 J$ D: Q$ h, Z) E
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
) U& U- u( I/ A) n4 c呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& O8 ]: \  ?3 s( @! D% [* C
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * d/ c' d' r/ P' c* T5 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 c- J1 w. I  s* A/ y6 k
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 Q  s0 G! t; K* c! c5 o# j3 p3 c/ {6 G
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,& j6 g: s1 @. x6 O0 J
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# N3 c3 a  Q  K7 |. i( r
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. M- }  l1 o6 |* B編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. d0 J5 y9 ^. N9 a! r咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係..." V5 u9 q( `) {1 z
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 _- u( U3 Q7 h1 E# l' l5 ?而家就要多生產, 少消費
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