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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 k2 g1 O/ U1 F$ k' }
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" s' G8 f1 b, y$ B* CI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢4 v6 x* T; a, e. e! D6 q
so銀行可以不斷放款
) S( D! E1 L7 B; N" D7 p# c9 ?7 W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界: c3 u: [, [. O" S7 @9 ^
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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2 c5 `8 I3 o2 L3 R$ R>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.. i+ \" g4 @: Q0 g/ \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,' [/ n0 ~, A8 u1 K( `( H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 _- X$ |/ k  d  u9 x
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,3 ?! h& A0 `. _8 i( |% m, C
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.2 G' U# ]5 i' Q" h4 j/ J" r8 \9 G( _
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.3 E  w3 X( d& y6 D+ u3 L
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  g3 B5 Z2 `* y# j* l! J
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
* H7 {% Z* K/ s2 seg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 ?" w. i. F0 P! ^banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., e6 K2 j/ `8 P8 f  q( \0 j
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ G4 O/ o4 g% p4 K/ t% J
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.' [5 s$ H" S" f! [# f
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 ~* l4 ]5 G( N
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 ~  H$ L4 J- C' |/ L6 b. k( ^/ W
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 K1 l  a  s& e/ C! J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# I) H- G' I9 ?( S. {" ]
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; L4 X" ~2 p3 E. d' ]+ @) U, nRefer to last example,8 V" Z" [& \' L% k3 ~' Z
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ( ~0 n7 {! R3 J4 G
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   w0 Q+ r. S  u1 N3 D. v/ J! J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
' R5 }9 T3 W1 o" M$ B' zso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* R+ P4 M2 v9 n) ~8 eall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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4 t; t) E5 }# y& C8 lthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, q0 k2 |* W" y) U7 ^- ?in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 Q# \: F, ?6 F1 {4 U( ?- J
it's the problem of the debt itself.
9 D3 @9 w; i) }7 \the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, P* A# u+ H+ X* d小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( R2 d% I* F0 O

$ P% f3 F- ?, B: V. D無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& n. ]6 \$ F. T1 t. J. C. S敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
8 v# T7 C: ?, G8 g0 \" h" @  T* }各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 e. `, j3 X8 ^0 m, E4 ]
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; A' ?  }. M4 l於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 y5 G! @$ v4 g5 l0 w1 u個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦2 ~- B2 Q: ^& D4 A% N
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
- D) e* u' B2 C" {& A2 _計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺3 G) _3 X/ Z1 `1 |1 _4 m7 m
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法; b& a% Q1 Z7 i/ ^+ d
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
( t) e/ m$ _7 s& I& T/ G咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ c) A9 E/ `& w所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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  t  P$ d8 r, y- W* E7 q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
+ a" _. L5 d0 @$ n但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 |; A! w$ k9 H+ ?6 l! ]淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ) U# z$ d6 P3 @: v# e- @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 R% L. |$ C6 _6 G7 i8 f' {
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: P9 D8 H1 l- v1 g8 {+ A4 \淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 z$ S6 u: E0 h0 {" ]( C呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 I% Q& `: ^% @* y1 T8 J) F) m- Q
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 Y7 L0 t$ G/ [9 m! h  c0 x連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 J; e0 A" S, \6 `2 E8 I
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, E8 q1 M' l3 A& h* |編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 J8 p: @/ h# q* O" S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ p% o' D- T# K2 V2 K, p其實係...
" W' h0 |- Z+ A2 O' }1 r, A8 ~因為以前未生產, 先消費: X, p, ]+ [( _3 ^1 g2 K# @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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