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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 L1 T4 g1 l/ x8 ]; xWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ w+ a: |9 a* I0 q+ j4 ^! l8 o1 wI was so confused.....
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9 k* E$ I% Z& M+ }8 R0 _' l  J講到尾都係賺錢6 \2 |, ~+ T$ y+ b3 k4 C* a. G
so銀行可以不斷放款* Q7 A- P% c0 J# z$ l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 d" `; S2 x* H1 P, v7 p& L! Lmortgage loan . }# C' F& d' Z6 ^0 j" H
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)6 A9 A" \% ?6 ~6 _9 v- S* f  a
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.) t% ~1 b: V. u. p( m$ t
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,# g6 j( ?7 r2 Y) [- U  b
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.) ~- q: n9 M5 m* H
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 s# N( C0 w# Z% M9 T
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* P7 @; a+ V- ?8 kAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- f  B& T* E0 r
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
& V7 _1 m* a7 Y, i6 v' Hnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 W" Q* R$ l" B- h' l- z8 r' O
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) w/ q: ~7 ^4 ?7 _0 ~- j3 |6 D/ dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.0 W2 S% J7 i+ K9 B

- A/ d+ D# ]9 y2 Yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% J) \* I0 S1 k5 Kin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" Z3 ^& f9 ^0 x. S8 a! I# E/ }" xFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
) c, S, x& ^# H; G* `A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- j/ ^, j& y0 x9 Y* ?/ S+ p" R
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * o$ B$ k( m9 `. s6 N# N
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( G1 |5 A# U. v# O2 P2 _. o1 w
Refer to last example,
3 [; R2 i" i. o' Nthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A - m/ |2 K& [8 i* |' V8 Q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 9 F: R/ a3 y7 E- s
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ D$ d8 D; P3 V6 c; V* j/ UA->B->C->D->E: E* B6 ^: X2 i, w3 F2 x
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, # U+ w' N7 [. c' R. @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 O6 C/ \1 {' k3 m1 o3 x+ T
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
8 i: i. s1 |4 e5 Y( y$ P# g$ T: i6 eit's the problem of the debt itself.5 I  Q3 x  `8 v/ c
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. t" T. s3 F5 ^
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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. c' Q2 E) F/ f: C1 h1 n敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  1 N$ A/ l5 A% Y
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) n  o" U& U1 S4 A; W
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) B( f# @4 r8 o7 K4 N+ m; C
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
( i9 b) C6 {2 J2 ^: ^  m個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! C! q2 v+ M+ V: u4 ]7 i
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
6 [( Y0 O6 Y6 e' o5 |0 O: S8 `0 U計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* i$ H- R* [3 A前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 G8 G, T/ Y- K3 A同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
& u8 `2 I5 i! o5 T2 S7 k但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( f( y2 T& g/ _' J5 i3 N例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 N% k- ~9 j8 e: T1 p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# p( e* V- {' T( r& t3 D6 U' o, c
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, J$ D' V4 Q5 u7 B+ v5 c7 E" j( p

3 t& N- E( z! Y4 P你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 z3 U9 N$ d, n3 U( z9 e) q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. q" N& w5 j% a3 D$ t. o( L2 p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
; h( j) _3 c- g% \/ Y呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 ?- ]$ e+ u8 T4 \; x
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ P$ B" E' ]# M6 ?3 J
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % {" n' w& z" J& \' w6 n
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 ~, ]. B' O0 Z3 t- p9 H" H( }
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
4 M5 \  }3 ?. x; X( S4 j1 S7 j# V% x咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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# Y* K. E. O& }; V; n3 p0 d正係咁樣
2 \* Y' O) K$ `5 h2 p其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  C1 c- V8 |& q分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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1 W# f) `0 }, v9 d2 Q" |再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓," B: j' k$ M1 v4 n
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 n0 u$ n: r' Z+ t* y, R
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
. G0 A; g# L+ `0 p* e6 u編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* k! F1 p, ~5 O" Q" l" t咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
/ ^) U# O- b0 k, J- H" X8 z因為以前未生產, 先消費$ ?- d' L: d! q7 G, @
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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