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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& K- }/ ^# D+ \$ n% k: [Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???# ~9 R0 @4 U1 N# v' m
I was so confused.....
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, s: p4 y4 r: M# y7 a講到尾都係賺錢' P9 r5 |. d! V0 [
so銀行可以不斷放款4 `% g" K+ Q- v* t/ B3 n' l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界& U( d( w6 |( ^) z! p9 k8 t

6 h" i! v, q* B( i5 E! a* y4 c$ x+ pmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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9 @8 W7 A! |, F5 r# i>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" x# \: I, N: S+ O( r/ \6 J
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# y7 w" P8 c( S8 J2 F
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 g. D; U, F$ \& \
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' K. N1 @% R7 k3 Y$ M* Z
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,% f- J9 ~3 a5 _- ?  p1 _
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 V, x# s# ~  w$ j  u; F- YAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ A" Q+ V7 \; r
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 |- R( M2 m# z* h% r6 E8 d+ _% ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ z' m/ y7 d) C: S" e, S; leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. / W. [7 \; }( v
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.4 A: D! K/ k8 ~( u; @( B0 t; R

4 h0 Q$ V! U# h2 Xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case., C# ]5 a  B& x" c: v0 H; J
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% M- ^9 E3 ^; E- z' |+ }5 ^For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% _) v2 C1 @7 {; ~, d3 MA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
( B9 }$ s8 ~  F- eThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) n" S! y0 \  _8 g( C+ d( z! J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.# q4 @1 H' s; s# \/ ]) w% M# F  w

5 V$ t# k# M: x$ O* Y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. x& f+ C( o# g) M7 o# ~Refer to last example,1 x" y6 `" X3 M2 C% ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
% c7 A0 z! x0 Q; _& O4 J  Y3 [Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 9 D6 K* }* F& ?  `& p
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E0 [; v( D! Q$ G. l1 Z# p* s" R& n
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, . X3 U9 ]8 L7 O4 W( T! A9 Z
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?. ^, n$ D8 C6 s# p7 d- _

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
, ~* M8 a# K5 j* H1 D$ @; ~# a% jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ I, ?) I9 H+ |; _; x
it's the problem of the debt itself.0 e; @) V8 Y% a; w+ A2 V
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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4 p0 v/ m' f4 W9 O6 U8 l  h5 `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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, Z" s. x& g, n' C: Y0 ?( Z* i無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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, `! N  u, H  e! ?2 p1 ~, Y敬請各師兄解答) K" p1 G4 V9 E( x) N

& J3 U4 I" S4 |  Q, jThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( D/ C- S5 F! L( h3 M各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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5 m' I0 m( v" Y1 M* \http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 Q  \4 B" X, L, z6 m6 J當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
% `3 Y$ V8 f5 x: o# g於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ R. ^1 S0 v8 ~: E! ~4 m個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
/ n  l+ Z; V6 Q  {: B  y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- B' h4 F6 y& D, s$ X
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* x- s# I- A' _! e) J: [5 W
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 k0 |4 Y3 M1 a7 Z) D% F. H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  e: ]& ~, R  I; c6 j# U! h
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' v. [# a) C2 w8 R7 L' Y' n2 }
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 5 ?) R' X3 k4 N& _) N7 _2 W
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%7 s0 l9 O7 ?4 d4 `8 ?. C+ }- ~
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁5 I) c. ?0 s2 I7 L% O0 J
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
& t! a5 T0 H" X+ m& C但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 o7 A- o" b/ E# B0 P, |: ?淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : Z' t" K1 N. f$ n: R
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行7 c. f3 r$ J5 o( S
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 |# V. B9 a6 C) Q. i0 Q" J. R! @唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 B/ j7 n: M2 E; s& i$ B) P淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / }. y, {  v2 _2 X5 [
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行- q0 @+ V) W* P9 d" K) F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣3 P+ T1 S5 T' ?3 w0 w0 j5 i8 k" G
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業' b" e) H" q$ {) Z6 ~
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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) @& I1 z! ^  C" t再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,' g: R( ]# T  K' B! s  P
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票- N6 m5 o& F( I/ L& q
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產: \( K- n( {% b9 _/ |# M
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 Y1 N3 I7 [2 F" y& d咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; I. p" i) z* j0 g! h其實係...
; P) Q  z0 [" ]) A  V% w4 a6 i因為以前未生產, 先消費/ n1 Z4 t, Q! e( `( z
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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