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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 a. J/ Q# f3 w0 \Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& J+ e/ R9 s2 ~$ @& [4 I2 c& c5 wI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢# A0 @- Z/ c: a( {
so銀行可以不斷放款
  q: b, y9 F2 Y% R/ o- }美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 w, d4 e4 T5 u) ?+ a
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mortgage loan
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+ V8 C& `- ~# p>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)! t, K9 R+ _. H! n$ M1 t
>arranger; w9 z% r0 Q9 D; G3 h: A% X
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 \/ j$ j, F7 n! E) v0 `" K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; [2 `0 ~+ Y- Y1 t1 h# C
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
3 z/ _: J# M, Z7 t  rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,5 c& E/ j  j( {+ a7 }5 u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' r( u( y; g# H" a' AAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." r$ v1 x2 S0 Y1 Y% F3 z" t. G% A
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,& z# y, W8 _6 q+ r7 w9 @8 O: e
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ( L/ Z; m2 E) K
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : Z& p8 M9 M7 q. ~2 x" S, C
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ ~8 X; ^, E$ a# z
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% u2 Z; k$ e9 ~$ M& Z4 `; K
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. }. r0 t0 {1 }+ m8 J3 {" _$ w. W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: I& I# R5 _5 F2 w& s9 M4 v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 6 z- U4 m/ x0 K7 C
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. x8 g: [0 L3 [9 m- @3 l

, a4 Y0 J) N; H# Z+ v[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 D! Y2 t  L  ]/ h
Refer to last example,
" S  M. n: x# Q& F( Ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A & j) c8 d- v3 S* s6 L
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) @& ?: V- a% }. J7 C* W. T; U
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# I- m. R$ O% {) W  i8 ~8 Z6 [
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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6 ~6 z6 v1 i8 T1 Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 C/ Z! q( v1 win this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- g5 f6 r& F, K3 O' c1 _  wit's the problem of the debt itself.1 H, m$ h8 P% r; A
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, D7 x0 s$ z* g6 J1 a2 v小弟一直都唔明...
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' J. P  O% g$ `  q9 n$ B) F" J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 D  w! r- W8 O+ ~4 g8 X

2 G( j0 O) M9 p8 c/ _5 H$ I0 n  ~% W敬請各師兄解答8 s4 d6 m7 l' O" u; c: r/ e! m# d

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那些根本係 紙上財富  ) k- R$ A6 T5 Y9 s8 c
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
" z0 {, H7 Q0 E當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; R) W- I2 ~+ K; S$ q( n
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" g7 X$ i3 v  X6 v8 C! y/ p個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' z# }8 J  r6 E5 x7 ]# j% E
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ a# t1 U; z+ }* g: M計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ h) j4 R, v: K$ l) v6 \5 R$ E前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
  y) \, C& ?& d0 N( [1 ^同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  L; {% M3 G, _* K: [% e
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ q' |1 {% z3 W" b例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 6 |3 d9 d; J, m- B7 }( @' n
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
4 J( j3 w, z+ R0 ~所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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! c' F1 H9 _3 s* ]# n你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ! F) D" B' v  P
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 A/ A+ W; u/ }" P9 o9 o淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 L! h9 O. `) ]& I8 m7 U
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, w& _& u: J! v$ M唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 Q7 M* H/ C! q8 I& ?: b3 F- Q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 P- D9 h5 i/ Y8 S! G- ~$ c; G4 d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣+ d6 f) W' ?9 K( r) f* c) r
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
6 s* y+ F9 q& V  F( Q" ]# C8 d* E分分鐘佢地唔使還錢7 d$ u( ]' b0 J' `

$ g- o- U8 V8 W- Q, i( r9 L: K再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
: n0 d' ~; G) b, B3 u連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 d1 k4 H. _  R  q$ ~/ X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產* U! J0 G+ o& U3 _. x2 s
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; c( M4 i# N1 s) v* H咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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( |  |/ Q/ C7 c" A/ R6 Y- _: ?其實係...
2 X6 g0 U+ e% Y1 V2 L! g( i因為以前未生產, 先消費: E0 U' |; T0 H  H& r4 ^3 d! _# X
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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