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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 M! ~1 u. C' d4 H
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
; M9 a, ?# H4 wI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
& a$ H$ ~" G2 Wso銀行可以不斷放款: V# g3 j) ^) y5 l; U* a" o0 p; K
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 e, {! s" j4 I9 P  \9 D

& ?0 ]& S) h7 q4 tmortgage loan ; x' v& }# m2 e  R6 f, _
>conduit
; @& W! H$ p* y" E4 [0 q>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
3 Z) H8 Z6 y, I; ?3 UCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
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main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,/ b6 M( x) N: x: {0 h' a
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: G& E" ~5 S6 j* R4 RAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
  u6 }- G4 B3 P: H- Ssimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 h2 @0 a4 A/ lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % U, S! E1 K6 V/ ], X8 b/ U  W
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # E4 w  ^2 V' E  K+ A3 S8 p% J
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# M3 s' c* o' ?* m) Rin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.3 ^- |# U7 s6 }4 x$ J3 _
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ }( D- E3 c, y" U  V
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* r. K+ I( @6 w. j5 Y% kThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # D% H+ k7 |# b2 h# K3 t' Q
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.2 P- l1 X8 i% Y

6 O" s, e6 o1 G7 Z9 D4 |[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' I3 ~6 K- e7 _2 ]* o# n- d0 n! t
Refer to last example,
; f$ A8 e6 ^' B6 G+ S8 }/ ~# M/ {that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
" h. F4 b& e# ^9 ~3 z# c' n# qBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand # H1 I5 l" C, C  q4 r! g4 U
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' p$ s1 M# e1 r( D2 _- y& _7 s1 Y
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 \+ Z' p# [3 W* G
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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$ b8 }, V! E- ?' H: h7 Ythe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 6 G* Z# _8 c; g
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
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the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ H5 Q$ e1 W7 z6 ~+ h7 J* w小弟一直都唔明...  A6 O1 ]# O8 c. [; g+ G1 i

' C& f3 F( j) B( M% S( l9 k全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* S) i  \3 B' I* X2 j; T

8 ]. ^2 C/ f8 }% X$ h無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答; Q: |2 M5 |$ _6 y4 I* N1 K

# b# _" B/ J6 x, d5 h+ ^: R% GThanks
" J9 B1 L" y5 v* u2 i. i+ E那些根本係 紙上財富  ' ~! k" y8 P7 |6 Y7 x
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產9 b* J7 m2 `0 \- p% T2 z  \) \
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' c9 o9 w* K: q  y: A; h0 C
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# o  O  i8 O2 k. W5 X2 U1 _
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" L, I# y% t% \/ b, ~3 E扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
1 |% n4 U4 Z5 _- P3 E# @$ M; z/ m計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ b/ h( a) ^0 ^, _% k
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 m( D* H9 j8 x; y! k' Z, o同埋個市場既前境要係好先得/ j3 a: O& K6 J9 j; V
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺* E8 I4 C5 A$ o* S/ b3 s" g
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 T, L: {9 |# s- w( W
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- j! r6 v( ~) g/ b1 t' H
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! W5 ~0 A# @. T& N! p! W4 l2 T
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 |& U# c$ J4 i+ i0 G, n
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & F9 Y9 y$ P/ x# V: I( \8 Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 G+ w7 s; Q6 i9 J  F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 F2 _4 g7 c$ p# p0 F8 ~; ?/ B1 t唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" M8 Y7 s) O* x$ s8 U8 F5 F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ ]7 j! [/ h9 h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# R# E2 x* J; L( `0 _# l  P- K4 o- J
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣7 h) Z, N, l4 o& |0 c+ f: z
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; h1 V+ |$ ?# J7 `7 ~# Q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
* [- ]4 l8 H% E( g2 K連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票3 o3 R' f3 I5 m: D( `, ?7 M+ Q% |
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 r  S5 `0 n# z) X編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: z3 s) G2 M; N/ m- `
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
9 Y7 X9 V  ^1 R因為以前未生產, 先消費4 W- ?* ]& v- l( e8 K9 n. o' O! B& d
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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