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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' @& h8 Y( l7 B: K
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???) Z! ], D5 _% r" c  f( x0 w7 `
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
" Q/ P0 z/ a* A1 P* pso銀行可以不斷放款; F9 j+ ~4 C* u0 p7 i
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" v$ t% s6 H8 E; P6 m0 x) X

. T$ W4 d) Y4 }- Y2 R. Imortgage loan
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# z, l/ a# D5 h>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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' W! Q  b, S1 R% R9 |>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)- c5 [  n, A- u  T0 d: J
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.- i1 g5 F/ X& |2 s+ V$ r# u0 i
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% w1 O( W* @% R$ X, |. L. @more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! R) q( p* ]6 r" q/ B( F
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
- t; ~$ f1 s6 @1 k/ G$ vin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.3 A& N+ z* Y" ~3 X2 s$ Y# m
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
1 p9 V" j) h  Y2 G! b+ E$ }similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," F9 A+ M* h& u; F) ?! _1 y; _  D
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 v# x% a; J; @
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
  Y. }, O5 j& Y. H5 R6 f% o- lbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& b& R7 D+ E; f) D, Y

. E4 S/ y  M8 ]6 Z+ n+ nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 @3 {( Y; Y' ^& f7 a# [- ~3 }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 ^) s! a- ?* a* X' FFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
+ ~' h# v( W2 h3 J, a) tA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
! R' O( g# t0 O' }( UThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; N* Q5 @/ y* t6 g
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.) H7 U! v# T" N! Y, [
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 W( E0 E# m5 o* g' W" d
Refer to last example,
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Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ _: E& W  C$ y* t
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
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0 T* r+ j5 k$ O( c. y3 xall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ S. y" n( k2 {* t; J, d* l; D" s  [
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 9 ?' ?! \2 E0 G/ I( `
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 b' u" D$ G0 L$ eit's the problem of the debt itself.0 }) i- a% U! X9 c, z# G. Q% P
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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! ^+ F+ O6 i  ^9 M0 l# x6 v, J全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?' q6 d" u1 W" r! z% E. c

+ f1 M2 T! ?4 w- H0 V無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...; d- Y; ?7 {$ z% O
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  + K1 ~5 s% R0 p3 F$ K5 b
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic5 w9 ^7 I* D4 k4 f2 F
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產/ Y+ ^: E' q* K* D" n& \2 K* r
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) l# Z$ I& H/ V1 ?# K% {
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* I2 F1 m9 S6 z5 j3 I
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺. A! w6 b& O6 s% L' l
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- S, I5 k* e7 B9 a同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 W* l: N. O# X& c& m! o9 q2 H但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 J$ q# d, G& ?% f2 I0 e. v9 \例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 G5 G# M3 i8 C9 Q
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) w: {. E( o" R& {6 [! Z6 g. E8 }所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* y% O  v7 y$ M3 S% a

- \* n$ w0 h1 m3 C% Z" J你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% U  b) a6 B% v7 Z5 ~! M; U但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 s5 q1 D+ x4 ?- m2 M" f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
+ }5 l0 N# ]( A( Q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  H1 j( B# M0 @" f唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: d, N( J/ a2 t1 d" X. w# E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   p/ Q  f; T# J
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 I- O$ x. Y2 ?/ R5 r' }/ a
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
7 C8 {3 q0 i/ k其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" V* t  x; Z: D! l, ~* E
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' e# A" G$ o) c: r
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 u) d- C8 V8 H0 U: c( y
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票' u% V. `- Y. G. X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產+ q3 R4 x& l/ ?4 v1 j% r) B+ b
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" z0 `- }; H  C
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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+ g3 G$ K$ x  y5 f! o3 o其實係...
! u4 d# B7 K( Y" D因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ g) b& g4 W2 F- W& R$ X3 \0 \而家就要多生產, 少消費
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