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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! \. k4 D7 _. K9 v6 V
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
" _4 c; E5 G4 j/ [% Q& r: S) uI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢& b" `+ G8 W% G" @( s
so銀行可以不斷放款( z! {6 q( i, I& I. m
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 ?% J+ D& e; i3 h8 I
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mortgage loan
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" i& U( V7 I, x9 b& }>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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5 B" B2 n- \7 ^8 T) V>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' C5 Q- L2 \, G. x! S
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.! N' D5 O, I( ]- q; x. g7 K
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; `5 G9 m( [, f' o. `more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
& W% \- Q; ?: }5 C: H# n1 U8 q# Vmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( I# T/ L% `( X8 d) L, j
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
( `+ h0 ^. k( Y) x! l% @Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* @2 u' T4 ?% U  M# ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 m" |) ^: e4 Y) [3 tnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ) B4 x1 _4 T4 e
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 h$ q' F1 G% o& Z5 D
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
7 p: c5 k/ i( `" e9 ain stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& U* V' _" ?' `+ e7 j, q6 tFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,2 F# ~/ w* n& M* l6 j" c
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ t5 Z7 n) R, U3 s1 @% M: UThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) [0 X; I9 h3 h2 W7 l
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! w. Y' I) l/ {7 f/ Z8 o* N

) ?( N( V$ V  G0 m# l- M[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 v5 s* H" c; k8 R
Refer to last example,3 ~# G! u' U2 l: _! J
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* R; G+ U0 f/ ^* |1 g* hBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 \3 ?5 q9 `; {. t% H+ o: l
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
. x0 I' N: Z7 i) Eso does it mean if E failed to pay D, - @2 g* q/ f  k0 o) \
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, * l' ^0 j4 ~; `& {
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ l5 B( b% U% ^8 ~- U; I
it's the problem of the debt itself.
. W2 \  m4 K, |! i+ Lthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 R( X, q! {: q4 V4 m2 F- g
小弟一直都唔明...  r. W1 E3 I1 m' e# W  @
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* g6 l$ e5 J6 l7 V& U8 X; T2 E

, a  E4 ^" h2 ?/ K# g無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答: e+ o0 J2 k5 h# E8 Y( I
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
- q0 a- b0 E9 W1 ~, @2 M9 r各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產# {' W5 l: y7 g' H% c
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 }: ?' a# J% U於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊3 O0 X8 C3 i: }; m, B1 K, I5 S8 n1 P
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) R$ r! ?8 Z6 o: L7 V
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ y& s: {% i* w2 M$ B  @0 p0 e6 V
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 E! b- M1 D+ x4 H( I+ O3 e前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法7 J2 p4 F4 y6 C* \- x4 T- o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 x& b) @4 |( s* C+ S) k' ]
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ b6 ]/ o: Q: P: D. n+ W0 \例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" m* t3 R5 l# r* u4 X咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. M8 |* M9 B  A! K所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
2 M+ C4 C" n2 p6 n* R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ) J$ C( P; J# H9 s9 ?3 F4 B3 m% U
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ; N  v! d; q; d/ q- r" E, V1 A$ F
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 \' u. G7 l! V! c
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 E# ~' C# a$ z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: n1 y8 i; Y( A3 U0 a4 g淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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: i: O9 W2 s6 F6 R咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
% W, }7 l# Z: o其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# i& L" `5 s, S3 K/ K6 c分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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2 Z. j1 h. a; L! V0 k1 p: k再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 C+ }" x" q* M% ~9 q) D& X- f( s連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
, E" A8 ^2 ]! l* b一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( F# P( B1 D1 W  A
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 P6 g; V9 G( L. ?/ O咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 b" t6 K) Y& J" S, i; W5 ~$ H其實係...3 N: z8 G" W4 x' n9 y: W
因為以前未生產, 先消費* W& C1 n; J# k; V4 v
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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