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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' D1 v" U* m1 o, ]! }
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???8 ]! b% q6 ~4 i/ t
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
5 r2 f$ r5 p1 d+ a+ @% gso銀行可以不斷放款
7 `. \2 [! ?1 y# O' t美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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& B$ h: o4 q$ D8 o. H  c; cmortgage loan $ }3 Y  f7 m3 K( j: ^) F1 [( T
>conduit8 W6 U* H. |# d+ g- n- t( h
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)) e/ ?/ ^6 A6 \0 j7 x
>arranger
0 u/ z% K2 H) F( x>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
7 c  l# s: V8 u) z4 v最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ p  j" N" y, A2 |7 P5 k* yCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 ^4 Y7 P5 V' D$ D" G+ T
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
7 C9 w; t, c% H+ F) q& j* Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,# t8 w$ t) r5 o' C9 D, l
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
/ @3 `) k  V+ \: @; g0 XAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
7 X3 E0 p) P0 ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 B9 y& K$ e7 p; t; k2 u3 fnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , V* `0 m' ~0 n8 o* B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : R# H6 j* x" R+ W1 o
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% {% G; h; p% e) k" |: `( p& t
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: a; D+ r: M' D# b6 y& v, tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; _" i7 i/ z+ OFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,+ \' D( Z8 H, r5 M2 w. q
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' F2 V7 j3 b- F: u+ E# z  |& |The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  l; u. a+ R# u  Bbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: X# j" r; G3 o! D; r0 G
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( v; s6 K1 f# a0 a6 K
Refer to last example,
) x; r3 }7 l/ r- Y1 Fthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
7 M4 s: c( G" I$ ?Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
; e2 }& u' F% {! O+ |% Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
! G2 I' Q( x( f" gso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' o$ p6 m% N/ V- U* U1 @! c1 pall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - G3 y6 B8 y. [+ w' y/ q6 S9 S! O/ h
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
9 a" ?; T7 Z# yit's the problem of the debt itself.
4 R8 H( S4 y$ ^' ]: xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?4 E+ A! f3 a$ f; w2 Q( q! n7 b

1 |8 g$ Z3 {1 C: b" c無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答3 j* \$ n, }" Q6 S# s* A8 y7 o

6 u2 \) J! }% N; S  ?Thanks
: g$ E2 |3 C4 }$ R那些根本係 紙上財富  
- O" }% P6 {! _- d2 N各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 V" \: K: ]6 {2 S" |當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高0 }, \2 H  @5 w. |; {: C( E
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! v+ s9 K* m6 ?2 s4 @7 g& i
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- P. o& ^6 [9 Y) Q" m1 W扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& T. u$ I0 v% r) E( Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
$ p% B1 D' B) ?- k- ~前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法8 a" M! l0 N0 ~* i9 o! v4 H
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
  s1 t. {4 y# s" G' h% Z- E但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 b' b3 C: B2 k- H例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
4 ^# p, [+ P# f& P! a$ J" u$ V咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 a6 K$ A4 X, R% F3 X8 ?) O所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" `6 y' m$ w5 z! n

* d8 G3 p$ D$ ~3 M5 k你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + i$ z* ?5 t0 Q, P
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) k- s/ ^; v9 U- {) @- @  Y" N淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# N8 h& L7 [8 `8 u9 B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: \( a9 S2 R- m# f咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 ?; N. R3 J9 V
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 C' N; D( [( x" j) ^$ u
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & t% N% m0 |" H2 d8 O
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
+ k7 u: z" c% n3 \0 t( Q& W8 @咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣  D: }% h: Q. W, l1 ~: O
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
& W* B1 _( }2 |& k# c% y- m連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ f$ u0 w. }; A6 k; H% o" B
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產* N6 w! s# J1 ~, E8 A
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' a' p8 l5 b- A! |% t咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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% a! y9 C5 T' B) g0 X( Z5 C% X其實係...
" }( S# G! w  U& X因為以前未生產, 先消費
' n7 t8 `6 K* j2 |而家就要多生產, 少消費
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