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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 x. M  w1 a, N0 T6 C  RWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 o# l) ?( L8 e% i% p7 k& o. xI was so confused.....
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: w1 |- z( x/ c9 \! W2 t講到尾都係賺錢" @! d2 R( e7 v: |2 x9 a
so銀行可以不斷放款/ z# l  N6 S. h: G. ^
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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+ F. M; x' P5 kmortgage loan ' A3 E9 K7 A0 \" \. z3 i/ o
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 K/ ?3 n7 C" H% z
>arranger! e7 `: P9 p5 M& y+ n
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)$ d6 `4 l, z- A. J9 e- Z. u& T, Q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
' A+ f! x" _' j7 @CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,- y4 T, b, A! j# a
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
- k6 l: b  ~4 d1 J. ^* Umain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
( R1 j* n3 O3 Nin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( S" P) ^; h. Q" O7 H5 ~
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# J; o4 ^  I- L) f9 }- k* vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,  n" b, x  E; ?1 S& d
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + G" }- V% T! x! u( A* ~$ B7 U
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. . O9 `, {- X( H( t
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 [! ~% W. M( ]  e; w

* N, z2 {$ M  Y% `/ pim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
. G3 n/ p' j  z+ v4 l+ Din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.( _, a. Q/ N; g
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
" L% c9 h  |% {( f5 `A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) y- Z- e, @* O6 h  X1 z0 G: QThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
; ?9 P+ h$ D+ S5 Sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly." @9 D7 A) M0 I5 j/ d
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ^- ]* ?/ [. g# y
Refer to last example,
& R2 g# W7 ~0 \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
9 |5 T1 [( V; j5 {& m8 ~, nBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
% w& y" K4 n+ Z4 [therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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' {7 i  k" y! w' x/ yA->B->C->D->E
- [9 G) q  y! N- }so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 C0 e# s  l# ^. W' V* G0 D2 h
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 4 u/ k( w+ v2 c! P( B$ D$ V
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! ]7 ]- J! ?9 nit's the problem of the debt itself.
/ n4 E" W! x) z) P2 v' r; Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( H% {. t: t: c
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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$ W0 Z8 @0 h' C無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...+ Q+ Q# A; m0 z0 G% `

7 I$ u/ B+ x/ L. \4 h敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
  e! b; D, _# E9 ^3 z& y$ A9 u各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 o; n, l. p. ?1 ]

* O* L7 |+ F, L% E. A* j! @http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 b8 q( l9 L4 P4 E2 O當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& p; l: m* ]* O& y. d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! O8 b6 T6 r. l) v( h( o個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 I0 b$ p8 V1 V5 k$ U. x% f: t
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,! S6 Y2 K- \' y; x3 ?3 ~0 J, `
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
4 h3 J, L2 g9 N3 e" W5 V前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法8 W# D) N5 x0 f3 X# M& X
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 S; _4 f% z6 G( |+ J. A% d0 W/ v
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
" {- J# y/ Q+ H- X; ]/ _8 a7 V; p例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; j9 T& k; f, k) V7 y$ E咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%# F  \: C% G& ?3 ?
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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$ @' V0 t7 c' r$ E你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 N$ X- e% i) y8 t3 n9 w但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . t- z- r3 e: M# O5 c4 D3 v. z! ]1 N
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . n. |2 G! V9 @0 |) k4 k
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
0 [6 U" o2 O8 m' y; m( y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 T# m" k; }3 [; y. l* m
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ' t# L' i; B+ O9 ?. _
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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- m7 `3 ^' \  g) L- S正係咁樣
" O0 \3 s8 c1 l) {8 p& L: ^) F  i其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& n3 U; E5 P$ p! ]" A& r$ ?分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 A% K+ k5 G( J, e% ]+ j' R" n
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 j  m2 h- D$ N1 b: |
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
$ I  f5 ~. O4 Y$ |' {  E一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
: l2 D8 F$ A8 \4 b0 h編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  c) p$ z  R) l$ D$ s1 l* U# y- D
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ `+ [. N5 Q/ k其實係...
' G1 C9 _7 k3 f% c. c因為以前未生產, 先消費
- o5 n5 e/ v- o4 S9 c而家就要多生產, 少消費
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