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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- k5 h: {; k4 a% V9 m7 @0 f
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 M" V( c8 |- o  S; l; ZI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
, a& s1 L1 ~. Y( h0 B" R/ c; P4 Y2 xso銀行可以不斷放款
, _- x9 S0 C- O- r+ E* I# F. V美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界/ O4 h8 M; ]( ^# }$ x' }$ }6 q
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mortgage loan ; ~  b! q! g" H1 \
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 A: r& l0 K0 z3 j) u( D8 Y
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); z* }4 d2 {, C7 V" G5 n
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 j) S; V, s, @5 e
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ F% [2 r% \+ m  V% {5 s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.* B1 c1 _) T* I* v9 X
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,: h( U) d+ k% l) l0 I
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 \/ Z9 v- |5 z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.- v8 e/ b3 M( R2 z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* D. W  f# S$ x" c! C7 V
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. + r, }' x, Z! A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' `% n" s: i! D% `; B
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ A5 o. I- J3 i/ A9 l7 h) |+ g& _* |im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.9 X  t5 X( V4 D" r
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 C( i. u5 X* w, oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 Q# O7 ?2 Y) q) U/ M. I1 F
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# C/ W, M, T; |2 z/ fThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , d5 S) k6 H. M7 e5 L
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly." ^& j+ j; O* l/ Z0 w+ o

6 p0 o) P/ Q# |  {# u' r[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 x2 o  J: i1 {: Q1 [
Refer to last example,
/ [1 g+ j" u  K# fthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. c- T5 U$ ]  `6 aBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 s" R8 @! x% ~therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E- r" o9 F3 f( x! f
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, - Q+ s, v( P; @! n2 H' a+ F
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 d& x6 e! i7 b+ q( r
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , n  n  O1 J' x% G
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
1 ?" _7 F; m6 ]6 `0 k) Y$ git's the problem of the debt itself.
, Q  |, ~6 t% f$ h( S' p: Xthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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; k9 |3 i- ^/ z/ u6 J% G$ \/ p無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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' v6 s0 m0 Q. ~. n" i) Z敬請各師兄解答
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5 T; w: f' d, U6 pThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( m4 \9 o( ?1 ~' U各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, H, i( g3 C' [+ a* f# T6 X- H當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
2 I% x- m9 L; S% j: F! z$ N8 o5 G! U: F於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  q! p  h! [- b( c) @個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( H- I  O' [' k8 H# D* ~: a扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- i: h( d& x* R2 Y& \; @
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ `) y5 ^; [" A3 V
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法+ @5 H7 M* q$ ]+ n! d7 n, g
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得0 G2 ?/ h$ a  ^$ r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ P8 r+ r8 F$ Q4 K) f8 _7 i例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 b, l1 {" p4 q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%- m+ f2 U1 f$ \% a4 N
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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; w% o: u- B" u你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . X7 r! {2 B, x3 s
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 H& k: |* `/ q% I# ], y淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
5 |& I3 B/ E8 E0 G2 y9 X, \8 |5 O, e呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 i1 Q% }5 g. s' ^3 t- ~  a咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 {- C) ]. {5 S3 C5 M, Q唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 ]7 D) d& ]0 Z0 Q/ h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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( a4 W$ [3 r" J* p* j; X咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣* h6 B% v  E2 |; \, I
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 p7 `# @  B  S9 D) P  L分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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8 S4 ^. B; p7 _再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 ]7 i" M4 S" a) ^9 @/ t
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' @  ?4 W* q# t: |一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產* G  H& j& `+ `; r: F2 O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 k) X: A; F1 r2 j' d8 H
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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8 |3 o1 c# u$ U( T- b4 d7 h" r5 R1 t其實係...
# N' T/ W4 C: Q4 i' z因為以前未生產, 先消費
2 d. e) t9 o5 U) c7 t) b* h而家就要多生產, 少消費
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