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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 a/ t/ b8 c4 g% }- J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
& m/ H6 a) D3 B5 t9 F2 g8 _* tI was so confused.....
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! E- ?, l% o7 @! f$ _講到尾都係賺錢
0 N' A4 c& O! P) Y/ J2 Y6 iso銀行可以不斷放款
- H- r1 S4 P3 g9 t  M! O' b$ F美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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1 ]7 j6 K1 l0 S! }mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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6 P) _. G( Q1 T6 ]! J>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
0 L5 @2 f/ \* y1 v2 a1 t最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 t& A! M" b# f0 S3 g1 |" P
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,  C6 y0 Z6 h5 {* ^$ g$ R
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# J$ g; Y) f3 a+ `& v; \main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" S* P8 j7 @# R: H4 Q) Kin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' X0 i# P& X7 v, [* {2 X
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 V" `1 z6 H, A8 f
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," Q) a1 Z' ~* ?1 I' k
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / `9 d, i; Z0 T/ _. j% x- I
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 D! b9 K, e. h% P) [
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.; `" F0 _* `& f% Z3 |+ K
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 n7 K) O3 e% P3 B: l. l
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) y& `: e' Z( f" n; b$ F
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,/ S! S, d. }; r+ t8 J0 W/ e
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.* V( c! x# V% h6 l
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 8 O* }/ z, c- D; T
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 Z, E8 s5 z: t8 D0 ~[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( P: D6 o+ l0 V. U+ ^5 Y7 g+ hRefer to last example,
- _# }  c: O5 p6 f9 s+ w/ \( bthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A / r0 L6 z! Y" t, w0 a" J* R
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - v7 N$ G7 B5 Z' e
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E' e7 A7 a  W1 ?9 t' `& j& ?" B, S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, + D4 i7 K' X6 H+ O
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?4 D4 A2 A7 c" b( e4 V3 Q. ?

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5 [( x9 l% x1 K% g$ i0 Sthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 ]( o+ ~! Q: B4 oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 F1 J* y* |0 Q/ f' A9 F1 E4 ~4 Q
it's the problem of the debt itself.. b; {3 \4 w5 z8 _, y. J# i5 L; J
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 H1 C3 C3 ?5 s# }/ }2 Z小弟一直都唔明...0 c. d& H6 j- D

8 x! w  K& z  m& B% T; p& t2 T全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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+ A1 V- P+ S. G無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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6 p1 b- T5 A! e敬請各師兄解答: o% s1 L& j4 @1 |% M! [9 a+ {
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
) j( F9 {  ~' I) G. m% E) o各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic8 C* m- d' E) [' N. I

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* V! w! H0 ~& G
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( Q5 u' W% Z( m: w3 _  n- t& F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# p) V# t( Z9 ?8 K+ }, C
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ L; L' |1 I0 z: P5 d( Y$ ~前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法+ P3 ^1 c$ s! ~1 b; X2 o
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 c" e* d) b% L8 s$ V8 \5 S但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
( w( r& m, r5 X# J例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 i5 V" M# u% E1 W, \+ y' W咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%% @/ L- ^! u5 P8 O) G
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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. w+ a% T* o0 a) C/ P# L. j- |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 P" l! a5 M5 f* n6 y/ H但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
: [9 A. ^: J1 }* y5 Q0 k% P, o. p淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ V# M  v3 V8 i) W" w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" ?4 f- [. ]2 E, p- t! t$ {  y2 @) t
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# X5 a% C5 e$ p( u( ]) N- N" Z淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 M: r6 ?( ^2 x5 |2 h* K
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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/ r2 [# T) t" E+ B: k5 M; v2 l# b正係咁樣
( L* [2 T8 y. E0 j7 {" F1 ^& |其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
$ @1 @9 r3 [( G+ t/ y, b分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,; z6 M3 O* ]$ b
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
& {% y+ Z3 B1 l0 y2 O$ U一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# {* v. D. c* v編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 u9 m- J3 D$ [. ~1 c7 w咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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/ {1 Q1 I* q' M其實係...5 n' w* T" N( f8 i
因為以前未生產, 先消費
& s7 h) |- o  m  F' U* k% U( e而家就要多生產, 少消費
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