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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 o& Z- v/ S" ~! i8 sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???/ i# [! `1 K, u! I  e+ g
I was so confused.....
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) @- z- b/ V% u! R$ `講到尾都係賺錢
( C. W0 c% d9 O/ A7 w! U2 h0 Lso銀行可以不斷放款
$ c( i2 J+ _4 a/ K9 ?美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! J1 Q; |- ?7 Q# y0 m9 {
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mortgage loan 5 r1 V8 L; \) P; A
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)% n, d; x8 y: E1 H8 ?
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
3 Z( \8 }6 Q/ o7 F最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
( l8 D- q1 H7 pCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ |* `6 }6 C: g! P! [, p0 Hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 g% e3 t' `# B, f% S1 i- f3 v
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) c+ g  ?4 x5 H# D4 ]in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.6 V+ c( A$ X4 |8 q' C4 @7 M) `
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 \$ o* `+ T3 A. O1 w4 ?$ @6 isimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 M  F) @4 j+ x& B* R# Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. $ [( b* ]! I- N! w$ B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. : b% H4 @0 a* x, C" o
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.+ K. Q0 ]  ^! r2 x
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
- t* c1 T4 w/ N* L- o! QFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,( f! \. ~: ~$ u
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.4 T' X3 P& r% s: W: V
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
+ E7 `3 A3 [/ `# vbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& i* ?" Z' s0 J2 E8 N4 [2 S
Refer to last example,) {2 c& b- M: ?& `8 W
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A " @1 \5 u. L# A( }
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  b; p6 G1 }$ Wtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E9 ]: f. N% U8 x4 h- ?3 Z
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 1 X. W; f) H+ o  [; {/ ?
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) m; a: L2 N7 K: o, ?- m% M
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
' t5 {2 C, m* a5 y4 {  \in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- `( Y) u+ [! ?5 I4 c5 R+ C1 Tit's the problem of the debt itself.
; x1 o5 Q: ~  j: r- sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 z: C0 S& V4 v: F" w
小弟一直都唔明...- v. s1 Y2 E6 q
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...# a) c0 y& s# C- U2 z- P+ w/ C
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敬請各師兄解答! {9 j9 n" [* |& E3 _# S, t
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  % j5 J/ A& A1 r
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic5 a& w' j* q( }+ T1 i8 }
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 C% {- c4 h6 e' ]. F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高; B# a8 t+ o" ~8 m, U) b$ R
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 G% X2 s- z5 X" Z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦$ d! x4 ~$ f8 `' J/ }0 m) F' O) f
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- G/ N) e* K0 Z, W* q2 L! [
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 V9 `6 x1 k8 ?2 R8 T# @( t" y% m$ n4 t前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 Z  z( i$ X# O同埋個市場既前境要係好先得) b. e+ B8 q6 _& T. {0 Z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
7 ?2 g0 e! N* D例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 b; {( B9 ~( N9 h7 L咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# {# u4 r: y8 D4 D1 W) }; V所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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6 }/ F) {" Z2 i* o! I9 Y8 d你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, + R0 ^! e6 ?' m# C; A0 Z
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" E% I" t6 k! f' ]. T淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ Y* t7 j4 F$ c; x+ j5 o2 U呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
" U: }8 ]2 P+ q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# G- b. }: g0 @% @! g! E
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, % B2 W- F  B/ Z1 H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 e, y. v- y( g- {* x呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 I1 l) \- Q6 r4 Q2 u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
& P; s' V  h) w  f. f% P) y其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ @# B5 j1 ]3 a2 U8 j) I: W分分鐘佢地唔使還錢& b: i, L7 @+ ], G
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,! V% v4 S# K. A5 p7 O# D8 e& a  I2 R
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, X; u. P* V( l7 t$ f6 c% Z8 C
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; k% g# p1 ?1 c) F; f; R7 `編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# G& ?- W: z% z' o咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...7 ^) Z3 ]) |- g7 J
因為以前未生產, 先消費# z9 u. i3 c# d1 X) ?" U6 T
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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