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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif& @5 f! I" ~# Z. R
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???  M2 J- e% E4 u- [
I was so confused.....
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7 B9 ^. B2 g  d講到尾都係賺錢5 z! r- _# w& Z
so銀行可以不斷放款
5 G) u& G* B3 n: ]1 h美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan   A2 x9 }: p8 `. d- m+ n. z  R
>conduit
  k  i' a! \/ e7 {2 A  v% R>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
4 r* b1 ?% h. j4 x8 d; v# L, g. p最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
6 X3 \! n7 N3 q1 \2 j8 ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,5 ?) \+ h; J0 O, I5 C6 {
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment." w" s0 B+ x- c9 _! t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. E! n# r; k! E6 D7 X/ \in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 F( [% t- ~8 Q" F' t( L0 ?Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.7 ?9 g; u4 M' z; W( E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
. G" z- u, ~% _( ~4 ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ ]) O* T. n# v; v7 k, W2 E$ r  m0 veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
# z: c; _- M; z2 H8 Z4 R( Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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7 [# G- U% {1 G& \2 oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
5 B1 X7 v& f) J- h. G( din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.! ]9 [* K' ~/ @, U( }+ h
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 d2 n  d. \2 T" Q2 EA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 ?; D5 z) c: C* U  v* c2 U
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
- W4 X: z6 }& u( V( |! R) cbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.. w5 q* s3 b5 a

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 c0 B" E$ U+ X2 \) CRefer to last example,
& {8 n; d# Q2 w5 I# Xthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) z/ ^" w$ J1 F: Z$ V# c
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand * p$ x. D! e) C( x& i0 z6 W
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# M% b1 k$ t6 P) K" [7 o. d' E/ A2 F
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,   ?9 R8 h4 r( N, m
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! D% D: ~8 f6 M! Y
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8 T0 ~& x7 U7 H3 {( o  P; tthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - e. s$ j; O, c( `7 C$ K
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 f& [; r) {5 R+ r+ kit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 c; w6 w9 @2 S% _& athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ F; j! r! [# X$ [5 O
小弟一直都唔明...
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2 W4 |4 d/ d& U! j) h4 B! x; {3 R全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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* v9 f1 I$ `" C9 Z3 Q' \無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...% F+ U, n  W2 ~' q1 h
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敬請各師兄解答; e& J3 m, b' ]- C7 `, Q, p. v

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
; W* T: ^8 u3 \/ \* S各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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! X" s. d! Y) u5 o& Zhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( O2 P! A" V0 T, w9 v" }
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' [% m7 f8 p) j' K
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
2 f; o. D! _: J個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
4 }. E% x- I) b扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
( k- ~* H" b0 g4 d6 X) p計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺+ ]5 k! |5 S: z+ Q! r* V) J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法3 H: x1 V' C# C+ A+ c% u. t
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
, p# e; D9 L6 l" _5 B但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺: \6 g9 K3 v, P) |, [5 _1 t1 M/ ?" a! a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 e) [" b; S0 N% o咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
6 z" ~! U0 E  I1 N8 H' i7 l3 [+ y7 h1 a所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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4 s4 Z/ [2 a& g' Z% G) n你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
* w' \, M1 \" c2 i但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 y* t* p* q' L7 h淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% j& P( ~" a( ]* L6 R% @9 c) J7 u# d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! f9 F1 u$ @- ]' U& u8 I7 H- b3 u
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% _" g$ k. P8 j5 w! }
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; c  C5 b& G- \
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( s: q6 Z' m$ Z6 @# D1 t呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
; A; u- g) Q0 ]$ b3 h6 }& Q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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2 e. Q. p9 c/ p1 a5 M正係咁樣& B' f: ~  W: y  H: f/ n) f. D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 P# F# w+ o* o$ n& W9 [1 }
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢1 g7 y0 m/ \7 `5 g' k

, R  p8 F  F! B6 L再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 D0 I2 _% O- x$ I- t連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
: H7 H( I% K8 t% J9 i, J. f7 n" C( V一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  I) Z2 A7 J! O
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- K, S9 A# j1 u) @* Q9 W咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
, \/ k9 q; u$ y$ k因為以前未生產, 先消費; |# j' |" e9 s: q$ k
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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