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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 V- q# k8 F0 s( s
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???9 w8 f' d% Q8 _$ y( i2 t. }1 k
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢2 ?4 g& ], f7 o" x' `  {# F5 W5 w8 S
so銀行可以不斷放款8 t& x; ^% v1 H' E5 N
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 t9 y' i  T9 f6 r! X. \mortgage loan
/ V! ?. ]0 c: L; I>conduit. N5 \5 E" ]: T( R2 y
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
! v/ G6 r5 h  r, L' e9 \6 `; ZCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* W" ?0 u9 l! g0 hmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 r8 \) t$ x3 X* k% m) ]# g1 lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 `5 S4 R2 h& T; H, ^in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.8 U" B& I9 l0 O
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% ]. n) p# Q$ |
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times," q1 N- n8 R$ N
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
5 I: i. t& b) Yeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. $ F. K9 |1 S6 c% r# o" j% y; }$ h
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.( j4 b& Y( r7 [* q5 m
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
! X& j/ E: _# O, f6 Lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 N- j: P8 p. T- Z7 mFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,1 N5 Q. d( c" z! F/ i
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- R+ a# o: a' u- I  K# k
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + P; ^5 |2 e: b( [
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- k9 s5 a5 J% O& @$ A& i2 A9 u

5 W8 ~  ^: B$ ]7 M+ M- H[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 j: L' o' ]5 V  h, Z$ l: t3 E" O3 ^) a0 oRefer to last example,
$ Y7 Y/ T+ {- vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; j' }: m" Y( J' k! s
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - h1 x8 e# G$ Y' W
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 x$ i- g$ @, w) ]  k& i
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 _( u# Q/ @1 j' z) S/ Z$ ^

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) C7 h0 R8 G) X
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 V8 y- d1 q, e; d: |it's the problem of the debt itself.
: L3 d) S5 m' {7 f7 @9 [the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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; h: D, M( ~3 R" ]全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 M- _# c% A% z% ^6 I; C
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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. g8 W6 h6 R- y8 V- s% x2 H敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
; N' d# ]* X, l7 [6 q% U各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic4 c- ]. {& v# h

9 G  D- d  i: A! S; G  @# Ihttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
! @2 P: C9 |7 M" Q! ~9 U1 G當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
" s- a, i" c8 s' E於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊# L; Y+ u( ?9 x1 r4 K% P* d1 n) t5 d
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦8 A4 |. [: y( {9 D2 F
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& Z$ P: _5 [% E計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 {1 |# R& s  b% X前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法$ e9 U+ R0 v1 T- A6 e( K% W
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得8 \8 f8 [- q( r; s! r
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ {$ |. W  q- u# e4 _例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" R& Z0 r3 }- z7 P$ A' f8 ~咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
' S5 ~8 p* Z# q0 _- V7 w7 L9 T7 t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 4 @" U" Z! q& u5 y8 i0 ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 l6 @/ O( D' x. p' c淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 I) R- d6 b4 x
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" p* T6 c9 Q9 y9 A+ ~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 u: ?0 A( s  T7 N  L( U7 V$ s# @. R) y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 {& d' e0 ?3 Y1 _/ [8 A1 m# V
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ |; f0 Q" J9 Z咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
: S+ v. O* `" ?其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# x1 S# O" E( N8 P$ S
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- A$ b! X6 @( l3 u

2 G+ K% H1 H8 }% s* y再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ h5 q+ K& [. ?3 Y連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
7 y; m& C# j) V$ L5 |) D一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
& M9 W) w0 X- A9 A# n1 y/ P" }編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" y9 A. q. w  o- P0 `" J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 I1 q' r! ~& B8 n7 t; w* v其實係...
6 }; b1 X1 c, n' ?$ e- {因為以前未生產, 先消費: R* B- E3 W7 R- f  @0 V
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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