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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 o8 H2 E1 E8 M/ k" G* k" Q6 b
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
0 S9 A/ K# o% ~* eI was so confused.....
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) g0 n  `2 T! Q/ n4 T講到尾都係賺錢
* ?6 t/ i( s. a- i& mso銀行可以不斷放款
7 e% V7 E+ V/ T4 D$ M' W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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% w+ u6 t3 [4 o( ]1 cmortgage loan
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5 g1 P" q" F1 F) T2 X1 R5 t/ s>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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! L# S8 i) \5 c9 w>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" U5 m& S. C# |8 `6 c
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.* f4 m! L- r2 }% Y$ Y+ n' U; n
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 y* b$ b$ f/ O; ?9 _; W2 H
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 T( Y! e2 Z8 T  y5 d$ |main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,  K. E# _- b1 t) u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
: j2 R" T0 O1 g" y, uAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 b% b, b* T& w  L; g; n; }
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 h$ S( t" `6 X+ K6 @+ L6 g6 P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
6 X+ F, i$ w+ r8 Z; Z5 z6 M- \eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
/ i2 A% Z3 |. p* w" m7 m# Y- Qbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.' `4 Y8 z& w5 O% ?$ S( T
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
# N: ~! ]2 I8 T8 l8 DFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,# ]8 e+ A0 w/ e2 \- B
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.! d- I% r( f& V0 m( o! Z; ?
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. , q) S9 O8 n4 M  m
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.7 `" q% R" z5 E% D  m% v, ]4 ~$ [

: q9 H# C4 K! u' x[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ A$ ~2 L+ x7 J, W0 V+ z/ |; H( [Refer to last example,
2 S6 w8 y* ?8 b0 `# vthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 x- t# O$ u8 D' E4 Y7 Z8 b" _
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
: G5 L) Y  P& b5 o' O2 N. N. e  Utherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E% r6 h& S4 P8 C' l
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
8 E/ T4 K0 S! |& X6 I' Y1 B6 ?all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . Y4 z9 k& D& A6 n6 F* v
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
( k' o5 Q% Y+ X3 Nit's the problem of the debt itself.1 J4 e; W$ S8 v1 M
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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& u. i5 k) U/ q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, j2 H$ H& o; L2 o( e
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答! I/ u5 b0 J3 g- v2 ^
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Thanks
  _2 }' h+ \( D" ?8 E. D: l那些根本係 紙上財富  
" D- o, V1 _; s' Y  r# n  h各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 m8 H9 ?) L$ U+ n! Q
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! c+ z  t' e2 e& H
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
, b3 k, |$ K/ L3 j' u+ n於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 v6 i  ^% O+ \! ^! E個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦, |" n4 W7 ~; G
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
" O5 @! l  v( J0 F0 ~5 L- o& ]計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺4 x% g7 A: M; \1 ~, S5 J
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) Z3 T) a, j/ S  j* T7 x
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
* b) V& w" b4 h: Z+ L2 A) F3 d但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ p1 ^  \1 m; ~% v. W例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
) F: ^  j( a4 G4 P2 @咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%6 A  I9 S- Z0 @+ I' M. {' J1 |
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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" T% `. ]( N" _. F; H: D/ O2 Z" P: [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% A+ u! ?0 m+ j, l+ _4 E8 a9 _" \$ F但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 A5 B' V' H3 a" C) W淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 A, i- f3 n1 o5 W5 u
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( o. D$ j6 s) j" m, ~
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 e9 Z* |5 Q' k5 ]! H# s- [0 M
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" u$ m/ X0 u( X* R- i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 z( \2 N& u) b呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
- c, }7 r) s, s/ `咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣4 g6 a+ x+ C1 g, I1 }0 }
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業2 y2 k7 g: r( I: p0 I1 X2 o
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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  X  _4 K" z3 r# m) ^再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,  M3 s+ \# g; k% O/ y  U4 B* s
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
5 O5 b5 N' n8 s  i8 Q  ~一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
6 h0 g5 I- E. i# J) u編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 J3 u( U: o( z# v) \9 `6 p" s6 B
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
  Y$ ?' U. z$ K% a  n, J因為以前未生產, 先消費) s4 ~; Z( m7 N4 N, g+ P
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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