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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# h6 ?/ a. p8 w7 c
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
0 S  J* W4 S. z) N- G* p+ sI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
% ~. a+ f4 n: eso銀行可以不斷放款0 ^9 @+ [5 I/ O! ?& s* ]6 D6 p
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界" _6 s, _4 V8 U
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mortgage loan - }( L& P; C0 u8 i0 r
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)0 _$ A, o6 p. s1 T
>arranger
- K( h% ~0 J$ w& A& z1 ]>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.; ~2 `( Q3 y: Y, U
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) k% u- ?" N3 g" x5 O* Rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.- E! X& a! B) i0 z# [7 Z
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.4 S% ^( t  g  b. C) n
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 }& ?0 P( o) S! p& y
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' m) n; W% f( b  v- l% s
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
3 M1 U  @9 C- W7 q1 }+ Y: F( i; Ebanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
; I+ e7 b6 b7 n; o  n: V3 L4 win stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
1 P7 Q$ A$ }) \9 a5 zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; I' D# ?% I+ `4 m6 C5 x
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., m9 E8 ~$ v3 Q5 `1 E; M* T" W
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
; X8 g9 B3 A5 U: S; N, ]) c$ dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 \- t# ]5 E. m. f

  H6 B& _+ |* B- H[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. {1 W, w  J9 E3 V( k
Refer to last example,3 U$ R) H! {; y/ ^4 o: i
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 0 B0 {" n: b5 G5 T
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . R" c4 {# y3 |* [
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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7 _1 ^" n( x8 i' r% L2 M1 ^A->B->C->D->E
$ Z3 [/ V* C: u2 A* g" E# iso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* F7 X6 O' J0 \5 call the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?  t/ T& \+ g4 C) i1 @; z1 T) b; Q
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
7 h5 l) \1 h% s$ L  r+ Hin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 7 T  N3 _' _  Q- |1 a
it's the problem of the debt itself.
: _* ]& N1 b2 _the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ d# n: q5 g$ S" u& B- K5 R6 e小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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6 I- |/ S$ k( ]0 o& Z7 W# B. G無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ y; ]1 X' I: q( c
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敬請各師兄解答
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6 k( x+ v0 |8 w% f! RThanks
% W% ?7 C' `1 R+ Q, ~# p那些根本係 紙上財富  * U- o/ B( y2 Q4 p
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! f( a0 O$ I$ J/ J0 L% G

8 s. w% M; S+ x$ z, Fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 w7 u* b& V  u' G當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 ?+ F/ `; O7 ^8 G於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" G2 e6 E& D+ k" y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦6 b' X+ B/ V; _2 E) G8 T2 M
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: J) i' f) F6 E6 R" z2 @計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; i9 x/ H4 M3 m4 d% j8 [
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 I9 s* R: D7 L& |1 I1 m同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 m' q  f) j/ U$ k7 F5 g
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
' c3 W" Z0 p5 o例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ C6 Q4 n$ z9 [% F8 \, R& t; g* q  k3 ]咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ J5 \/ S2 C$ f& b, o+ k0 C* l所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 E* ?. R# i2 y. M' p' R但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 ^" _/ X; p0 f7 {* C6 Y/ C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& H' r* j+ L. k, Q. ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行& V5 S' {) H0 c4 W# H0 N" |7 T
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 p* B! S) q$ n
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% d  Q' K$ Q- l6 ]淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
, V6 Q- `. y' `% ^其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
2 b- o) U' p. W8 E分分鐘佢地唔使還錢) F0 j! B: I3 t. C

( ~0 }7 M( ?7 i0 k2 I, A2 U再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,+ D3 }" [* l# Q+ a/ b3 K  d& f. m
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. `! z$ }3 r) I- O! R( d一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產( r1 t& g3 h/ G9 {+ C
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 j% B) d/ b. q6 g: H
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...# ]8 O9 g  |+ ?8 m/ T
因為以前未生產, 先消費
- I3 n3 m; q) K( H2 M而家就要多生產, 少消費
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