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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 s3 B+ x9 ?6 h2 H0 v/ M
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢
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6 y/ @( A9 v% p) g美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% H5 ]" r) O/ c) v% @- A

% V2 I' H( C# q& x* ^7 h$ cmortgage loan
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# ?9 d# R, o+ Q: L6 X- o! }>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)4 [" N% f/ U' |% x
>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. m* |6 }" z0 BCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
7 \# ^% [" @" Y1 I' K$ D6 ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 j5 l& D# j! _. z, p6 N" ^# P
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,, }% G. w4 g+ k+ T( P( W
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
0 D% T5 g% x8 o" a, nAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 z/ Y/ a. S/ y# jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' j2 b0 r  S" e
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. % }7 ?* g+ \/ v! X
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 3 C( j5 l- C: k* L
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% u( _3 h8 H* S, I
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
$ l/ s% x" v& ?* {For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! j, ?- {/ t, q$ I7 L- g
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& \; D  R! o( T/ ~* iThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ! r$ m% k7 q; g% ]1 u7 b
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: o0 @' X; c+ g, `- f

- o+ v; X8 A& D5 v[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) m# S! p* d* ?5 X; ?. gRefer to last example,# |* d9 i) l6 L9 J7 t& Y
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A , Q3 J0 e- d7 r& T4 H9 i
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
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A->B->C->D->E7 G! @/ k# s# w9 H9 f6 m
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; L+ d$ e$ m7 A9 z
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?5 P% ?2 ?3 l+ T

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
. r. a) [. t: z3 |) Qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 9 [2 ~) ?* N, B3 |
it's the problem of the debt itself.6 R# K+ b+ a, O; A! |* i9 I3 L0 z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' X  q' M- ^  r2 V  Q7 ]  \
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?0 T5 l/ u0 d1 o- }" z9 h
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答. z# a5 M/ o% b8 \; `
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  # f/ n. q+ A! Z) p
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: H7 T: ^5 h" h# H+ q2 W當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# v/ P" n9 k. F: ?# N. Q於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
* Q8 I. t% ?5 L2 A- V個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦  k- Q3 T6 c! E) ~
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  m/ a. h# J; b
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺8 ]. x5 ^' \4 X. F3 P
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: c/ O, U0 w8 {" V5 m: L. b同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" S5 z" @- g8 Q. V: g
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
5 G/ h( W$ _) X0 s例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
7 R9 ]! F8 k7 R# L& \. {& X咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
; [  x& H6 D. R! L/ E$ h5 I. L所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁" P2 h8 h; J7 _6 y8 D

/ x8 Q$ F$ E, h% f你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 H, \( o9 [& H; y8 a6 M2 T# p
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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! W* i/ r- C/ g: v9 @呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 @  L3 Q  g+ n& w! y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
8 G6 W3 B! W0 F' D$ Q& J$ F淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : S2 t0 ~! H% N( C' A0 ^
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣4 g, Z4 m  l. }3 L0 U
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
# `  ?- A8 L8 _* Y分分鐘佢地唔使還錢, J3 c/ [/ R9 H, u

+ `7 ?7 ^4 ~4 q7 E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
7 y5 S& {1 a' {# _連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% y& k5 v( L# B; c; o一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) I9 O' `6 k: q2 b+ w編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 o, p# m- Z9 k" Y9 S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 e. v# C, E7 s4 z而家就要多生產, 少消費
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