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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 d! n! s; Y9 D1 rWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
  V! F( r. b1 R2 V9 z* pI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
# M: _2 n6 `! T/ I. @5 u3 T) Wso銀行可以不斷放款% a% ]: k7 x0 L- M0 ]" F, w. c* W
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, r6 @& |- x5 G5 n- T

6 d/ Z! y2 r6 ?* L# @mortgage loan
; L8 E: w3 m. ~( e7 S; `" @>conduit( k4 A7 l- f+ ?3 p3 S( ~. t
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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4 Z# \+ S9 ^( {5 U/ l. a>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
5 t8 ^3 o. _: h  ~最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
) S0 v' K1 o, \CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 q  L! u& i8 ]  O9 F% m1 k3 n2 ymore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 ]  @- O2 K9 |7 Umain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,' V7 b& N6 e3 h, [/ L  B
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* _8 Y: F' T& S! j/ p  s" H# s) qAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 t2 A' e* w2 I2 ]( m- Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
3 R9 ?' `8 U; a0 Inormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
; J  s" f( p! y+ {$ n9 ?. Eeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. + a8 j& t0 X* ~2 j% o* n+ B0 h5 x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 E+ D  K+ W( D+ }  [- n- _

& u7 s4 b$ w! P) {% K  vim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
( @  t3 W: E  K. S0 w/ |+ gin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.2 R: Y6 V4 |/ f. s9 }- I
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( J. T2 \6 l9 f  }+ rA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
, G2 _; x4 j5 R6 v' x: p# FThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * S$ `+ J& O1 R2 B
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- f/ w# u+ f1 B; Y# IRefer to last example,
. g' F5 ^1 z' ^that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* N3 j2 h) I& e2 eBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 5 F% H3 D. f" O) H# ^0 }
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E4 r" `. w6 j3 ^4 S
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
1 M2 G3 c# E+ R; d- ^+ pall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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  \0 S8 |* R' g: e3 T/ @% ^the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 1 @  H/ {2 h  h' Y
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! T' S+ v) D% J3 F, Q) Oit's the problem of the debt itself.- X" `- J8 ^0 T) s% S* `
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 o+ F) L1 C1 p7 B8 b小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?# ?, R6 s! e5 e0 S1 c

/ |  X5 ~* y1 q) F$ Q無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 R. X3 }. B" b

' S* e% v# j. n/ e  {敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  2 w# r' m/ c. V" u, K8 o( X6 T4 m6 k
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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# d1 q# M' n" ?; p  e' ?9 W/ Yhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產4 N: M4 J; N. R8 |& c
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
* V& s) Y( I8 m  J- b( ]4 N1 N於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
+ N6 r) i& |0 v' c% ?& y* s# P. {  ]個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦+ p( P( O$ D2 J' M7 v" @+ H
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,( {5 v4 b& r' e8 y$ t" `
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺, w$ z0 l  j$ N8 R: s+ m
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 e" O+ ?% H4 I7 a5 z/ Q
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
; W! L  l0 G; l0 R. X但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" _: t  A# \! v
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 4 f, q, x, F8 V( t; d9 L! q5 H
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%1 a  w5 m/ Z) _% G+ Y8 O) b
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
. w4 ~! X$ N) M; j. `% X  e但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : [" K% }; v5 o. x, e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: J# |: F% i7 @; M, S呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 k0 V) @! r" B% i
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! M$ o8 k2 F" S
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
7 [+ k; s) v+ x4 h9 K# B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, & d$ D1 A$ O6 J
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
. b4 ^* p9 R5 x; b. I( g6 \0 |9 E3 u咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% Q9 a- q) g$ _9 w正係咁樣
- `% e% G  a  U% t$ A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% B  J0 F5 A/ ]分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
3 W- y% }; y7 c  b! ?8 H連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票1 |* J+ H4 K2 p: Q. I5 @: F  @
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, O) v: A; `3 I& R8 y& k編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) {+ W/ c& P' r, E9 X! J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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$ H4 ~" ?. p3 E, v其實係...3 l/ ?. s/ ~8 c0 e/ n0 B" F  f8 X' J
因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 t7 F' b+ @* Q# V' x/ M$ H6 k而家就要多生產, 少消費
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