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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: P9 P! U7 q9 w4 B# h$ H- s
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; x" x  o- [' D+ @& R1 P* L& s
I was so confused.....
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" V# r& g8 @& V, v" y講到尾都係賺錢% {7 F# f8 `; `
so銀行可以不斷放款
& w+ P. `% p# P, i$ M美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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2 C) b, C* Z1 E) O0 W9 m( gmortgage loan $ N' ]" U2 z$ Z- @" \
>conduit
& E1 A+ G% m+ b4 Q>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# ~9 i) x' L2 l& q  }3 S
>arranger
& S* V6 P$ e: W( z5 R2 g>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ G" z0 I, V% q( l5 X7 {/ YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ ^1 ^' n" p6 D0 f8 ~1 K  a" umore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 F9 z* o$ {$ b/ d0 _main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. C; b, R- X; D' I3 l3 X, `' v
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
4 l: S0 ~* ~9 P( h$ f5 R! gAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.+ u8 B; ]" S: s
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
) R, ~3 \5 I: b; Jnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' J* o* \) L1 H
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 9 I* Q0 G3 K. [# w# w6 P3 N
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% U: r. N" \" C4 g. j* B- K
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.2 W( n! E. R! q/ g7 X
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.; J$ d3 x7 @% x
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
$ X* R* k1 X0 v( b" K3 H$ s% lA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.6 ?; O1 p# f  w) Q
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! x$ u* D3 `9 A+ r/ q; p0 o; abut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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8 ?1 ?! q2 z" d  e[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 f9 y0 v3 @7 o+ m3 {- T" ^) QRefer to last example,( B# }% R! }% i* _& f2 ^9 \8 W
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A $ [  V; u  G! f" V4 ^7 @1 k
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 d3 @! F) p  p& a& I8 X, {therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E6 L/ Q6 }( u$ e# p
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, , i, M  S8 e! L" E% B$ u
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ J5 x% K9 q$ u
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+ t1 Y: X6 {0 `8 [) Gthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% z- K' [% G: ]2 vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
" F3 L; R* q) Bit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 O9 I* C" |9 e+ |the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 c# t/ P: d6 Z% b小弟一直都唔明...2 Z- B# B- r1 x( i6 R

' R' P% h  j! C8 q) r4 m全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) H& t# W3 k$ b  ]3 `6 F- ~. x1 I5 j# g9 L

' n7 l7 ~0 }3 K無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
, T' E  ~7 R0 e0 M5 u那些根本係 紙上財富  
6 `) j) Y3 Y; c, f9 P+ ~1 u2 i各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic* J0 C) B) K: n) F
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產- U; H$ \; {& j$ {8 u% z3 u
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 {4 l; Z% Y4 `5 ?% c% q8 ]
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
% v+ y; i0 b( }( H- M% a8 Y+ r個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦- t9 y+ d% R. b; T6 W  v/ [6 E
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 f: {( z7 W  ]1 z' M
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 o+ H& o  @( w- }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
: C9 i8 }8 v& x3 K/ V5 Q* W+ S同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
0 n6 }& o: L' I2 o但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺/ a  W# q/ f' `* H
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
' N' c1 q5 Z; \# I咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 U! x6 E7 x, k( j0 A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' Q2 V/ H5 u6 k9 U
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
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唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. r: a# n" q$ b% Y, O( r" Q& |. D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! {8 p" }) \: p/ O1 {# x) ~& J呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, C) y- D8 t& R$ P+ T! L* r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# ~. p( @4 N6 V: D& _
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   S8 b3 g9 f% t1 c6 M" K. [* z2 \% P
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 w* g0 A- |$ V' Z6 X% O. n. Q: P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣( a$ h- }4 a7 g
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業3 M7 k# G. I( q5 S3 _  e! F1 O- R* s
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- {) E2 p) M+ ^. z' c9 `. \連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
, [6 U! q7 E8 N' Z2 u% F一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
& p, u3 T* F- D" T2 @& \編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 [3 e$ X+ l$ b; u4 ]
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...0 I0 n  \8 l7 s2 B; ]( j
因為以前未生產, 先消費
  Y' Q& g+ d! b. _' X# @% i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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