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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 L7 K3 r, p: e# j$ w& W
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???6 j$ z; Z" T# }& r# ]: O) F6 A7 k6 e2 R
I was so confused.....
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6 B7 f1 H* m; X/ F5 Z% i+ a講到尾都係賺錢
1 r& g' ^# k3 ^" y3 K* F9 d+ Oso銀行可以不斷放款
& o: \% M9 r5 n) S美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% t0 f+ O% p  B/ H7 N
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mortgage loan / _" ^* g4 j. O, l& g$ t( Y
>conduit
6 ^0 [; N9 Y- _/ S8 u- u0 r>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)5 V1 V# r3 g6 E9 b: ?0 Y5 q) h& J
>arranger/ C! Q) P! f( {0 m4 }) @+ z
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.. B- P: c( d1 w% @3 C
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
9 E) M- l) U: Omore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ D& c0 l9 f* \" w% ^7 b: xmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) }( R# G- a6 X, X: p' N; w. ^in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* }9 j. _) h+ R* t
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
6 S+ p' f7 Z" q; M( n9 jsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,6 C% Z& u  A7 x4 j
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 4 [/ I# z# y9 A
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * b2 g( }5 Z8 I6 ?: W+ v. d
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.! K" j, z2 ^: T3 s  ~% }5 [

5 i) }6 p" f, x- J: Vim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  v0 a% V# v7 i% P9 ^in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" P. F! d" B" f" h6 }4 t4 r" UFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 b, z" r! x# Y% v7 b
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# I5 J2 `9 y9 Z% r0 x" N' m6 p+ AThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
. d$ i0 E# D. {& R) Gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- l. V! d) Y: r* S( _

* I) K7 R/ b: U9 Z' T! o[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 N% y6 t& Z& p) @; n
Refer to last example,0 W# F$ K0 c! Q# Z; H
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A . m- B! O" O) c- e' E% e& ~# q/ f
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) P  M8 a6 Z/ R0 L) @9 R
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 }5 z1 C+ |5 {: Y! P) }A->B->C->D->E
6 ?7 g; z# w+ p7 \' @4 M/ V3 Uso does it mean if E failed to pay D, - v& `, {9 Y- @
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( Y- V  W* z( O, a0 ]: o

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 3 \' Q& A  x1 ~5 ?5 w* t! u3 G$ G
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 B: y2 w( f) y* D* S& l6 zit's the problem of the debt itself.
: e) C$ L8 W' kthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ }( H# A' ?% P: I) F小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?* Z0 Y' V* ?$ {0 R% P

) c' G4 n7 d( u* Z; [$ y* t( v% _無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...0 j6 {6 U9 }, M( C6 Z

( w4 d* T& I- i* Y8 @' |敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
( m& O. U" r; K& K* K3 V9 k各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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7 v! G4 Q: i, Z9 t# a; K1 v( dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, f' H. u6 q  I2 z. y" O/ w當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- U9 X4 _/ b& `# V+ m; i" \. q- b於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊- Y; |* g" b* N' {: Z: Y# d! C
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" B8 A' a4 @) w$ Q1 V+ r2 K) _扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
3 p- C& [8 x0 v- z: m4 K: W計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
2 w  z6 |- W/ s+ l' C1 c0 O' M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法  q' o! N5 J5 H  Q+ z
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
- v3 n* o( F0 _* D9 z( z但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺" `+ R6 w7 N8 X2 i0 M3 s* }! W
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" {( j, Y8 h! X# i' d咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%  q8 B2 b( |' n1 L5 i
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁; j, H& S7 V. f# o* s4 h: {
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 u$ g) @$ K* Y  ]/ q0 G& X但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
# m/ d2 o  @8 V8 E淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 5 S% a0 c9 Z; p: P6 t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ ?8 M* T3 W1 Z# C. l
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# B+ q  x" N" q0 i. e* y1 _+ H  E
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! V1 x+ ]5 F. J4 [2 F
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 v; a; W! M1 O3 k, x( t呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行( c. O  ^2 K0 Y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
) o; ~! q+ J: G" h5 N其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
/ {! D& ?+ ~/ z分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  F; s: _  {, {$ W$ v2 b5 R  g/ K連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票) M+ m, A. U; y" X) h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產8 J: {  _% k8 k. `6 _
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ h% u' R, ~+ g! Y8 |9 p( S" O咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
2 K, m( b/ q" _/ Z' B5 O2 X! j  U因為以前未生產, 先消費" G* }' j3 W, r0 v. t2 d
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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