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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  x  f  @7 `! r% m' d- Q: _9 uWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
+ u  ]' ]3 c- \* d1 yI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
$ N7 o1 T) {3 y4 Zso銀行可以不斷放款+ ]$ D8 I* {/ \! c! U
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界' l. u2 x) p8 O
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mortgage loan
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  C  P6 Q. [: F0 T2 `$ I' _) f>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)3 _0 Q9 I5 h* [# [; l$ F( a4 `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- }" f& _4 G3 e: s) X  V' mCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
% e9 v# B# v  A  v& s3 I; b6 @$ l, M4 ~more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  _% l# {( m0 m& g- @" m+ u0 lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,- Q: Q  I  `4 q* `
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 ?# C- |! S( Z$ qAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& u/ p5 R2 j- K) U
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
& B! ^* p# X' ]; l: M) Nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ r' J& g6 P+ ], e3 c% @9 J3 peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 a' E: y9 X0 o0 C, r$ @+ Zbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.6 i2 D+ a& P" G( m% O6 [7 E: j

* [6 g& O$ j6 E) Q1 b. gim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
" I  C+ C/ n+ \' ~8 ]# |( J# P4 E. ain stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.' M- t' G: \* b
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. M  g5 ?, `6 o* E( z1 D
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.5 J9 V+ O+ k: }9 M, Z$ @3 g# c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ' u* y& @# q2 [5 J
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.2 U6 ?# E  O9 F" z$ X
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- P+ x" _7 B" ]! T' Y4 p
Refer to last example,$ `$ b# R3 K; n$ z% Y+ R
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
2 y6 U  b2 ?1 l) P' G8 QBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 6 P/ Z3 K, Y" t5 L' R3 [, I/ J
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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9 {4 r7 S" Z  t) Y  g9 ^4 BA->B->C->D->E+ r+ U( P7 S4 e: p+ P# ?  J5 _
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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1 N3 t; l! M: E5 K+ Xthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, , H) ^. L0 F$ O- h+ [; w7 i) b+ ~! V
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, % W& p. x9 ^1 }' a
it's the problem of the debt itself.
$ u( ~0 E1 [1 }. H3 m) J( Dthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. E, T, S) P) n* [
小弟一直都唔明...
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0 H* v" c$ i0 t% e+ \( L全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ L- z- X8 S! L3 `( E: B1 M7 \
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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/ R7 H) Y) B% M# U, a8 m敬請各師兄解答) [- W  E; d+ J; q/ M

5 {9 k8 F2 I  l* P8 Z3 o% @Thanks
5 F3 p# k8 ~' s; `那些根本係 紙上財富  
' ^2 g& R) w5 V& C各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 W( }! e- j0 m# _2 S( }

( e& l7 D8 w" f2 w' khttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
1 v" ?. K1 @1 L( c當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
; W' N: U  I2 C7 i" K5 P於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
, @& N3 t$ i4 ~* m0 x6 e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: w, [3 d$ K5 f" X2 z" ~扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,2 w- U# ]# M! g) x0 V
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺) _$ a9 i0 m% j" r- w6 w
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
3 }; }, v$ r9 K7 r/ s, Z: t同埋個市場既前境要係好先得. Q& R+ @' V& ?2 E
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
' E! J5 C4 v$ q' v5 a/ u: }: X例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 9 Q2 g9 a5 W6 |: D; g. X
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%9 W: |8 J2 V# M) U( A
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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. F+ n& j+ G- t2 W; ^, u- J你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   Z# a! f6 F- Q& J
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 F/ ?1 S0 ^5 I( U3 H; T
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 u: c2 k. A( [2 D. d0 s$ k; Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行) j& J. F' E% h, A  D! K
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 C, m9 J* m' U3 d9 P
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 b, j+ k# H) U6 m
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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* z0 S/ a( s* g$ O( J! ~正係咁樣
! U+ p& k" i7 G4 o3 w  G6 A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  W1 w8 z$ N( I$ u3 \/ h分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,4 U. S6 c+ C+ w5 ~! D
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票* P( K! [9 Z- V  _' `1 I  X
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
  `, g- J# T/ s6 u& I編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 u8 S. D3 l$ b5 @) k$ G5 G# Y; y咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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0 \& c. X' d5 c7 W+ J: |& W% o- A/ ~其實係...
( o& Z, l/ a3 v3 q7 {/ H1 U6 k因為以前未生產, 先消費6 O- s; E( x! O
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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