Originally posted by CHECSS at 2006-1-30 12:38 PM:  `% h* @5 [1 d# h+ B
ME

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:" p& i* S7 S/ v# ^  w7 H' U
姜維真係咁勁?
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Originally posted by 托迪仔T at 2006-1-30 06:01 PM:/ y- ^9 _% q, f4 Q1 g* x5 h
羊祜

Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:
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yes...he was the great one to unified Chinese

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:
/ `1 K/ @4 \- G+ w司馬懿

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:8 p( M: H, N5 k& I1 Y! W5 `

- [0 D/ V& f7 |5 E4 N+ l+ K姜維

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:6 D; l* H. }: V; W
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why?

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得* N: \8 N0 Q3 K" s" X
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:$ J$ L" h) _* ^; o% f) [
Just I think
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- ^3 T' m+ l2 H$ W/ @諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
7 m, e$ r4 l$ y司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
/ F5 |$ s$ G8 n0 N6 u  `0 m鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10# x' B1 g: ^; D
姜維：2+1+1+5=9! b& Q' l) T, w( `3 M" r" M. r
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ G- q" O1 ~) C  E, [; s; i

6 o; l9 j' b6 C! q2 T: ~* hbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) ]; l! @( j/ I& N+ W
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1 B' x' Q6 V& VBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:4 L8 f+ T( S+ `) W6 k( K

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why?
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' c0 y: J  Y! y$ U" I其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
& e# u" [' j. t% u' G2 ?In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  K6 R4 L# N' x( J他比孔明更偉大

Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 \. v1 G4 m# H/ \
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7 X+ z3 F% J! }$ t2 V$ R' ]( }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 d: |2 y% H. j: S. r. |1 ^
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yes, that's the point.

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 22:20:0 ?2 s2 ^6 d4 x0 k; E! {
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:29:- p6 Z& d: R+ }# Z2 R& F/ x5 }
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Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006/1/30 21:32:* [% k" `+ c( y/ e  k' E0 Y" E
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: l, C+ p; F3 u5 Hbut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
: i  b% V. g6 e- R7 g聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........% ^% @" U7 }. B+ u& i
佢勁係勁在治國能力............! D  Q" [/ l  G# s- H: Z
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係咪如此?

Originally posted by benny0105 at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:0 R: V4 X+ v6 o! o! E. o
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:0 u7 W5 Y" M. X# Y$ V
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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Originally posted by step025 at 2006-1-31 07:13:2 q( f+ H# Q4 W" e
你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2006-1-31 12:56 PM:
1 b- c9 n6 s) V4 v1 ?, }P.S 曹魏後期頂住蜀漢姜維主要係teamw...

Originally posted by abcde1918 at 2006-1-31 12:58:
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我打機,姜維係最勁

Originally posted by 155220 at 2006-1-31 01:02 PM:: f% \, c9 o* A  M) D
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打機鄧艾都唔錯,但正史中，我認為鄧艾勁d

Originally posted by abcde1918 at 2006-1-31 13:05:+ Z! ~' Y4 ]* H3 }
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點解咁講
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Originally posted by 奇 at 2006-1-31 02:05:0 {: z$ }' O! u

2 F7 H2 i" L7 _歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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Originally posted by 下......... at 2006-2-13 05:36 PM:
5 E; ]- ^7 y& b* n$ Z" S! k姜維智力夠高, 諸葛亮又將兵法傳左比佢,最勁當然係姜維啦!