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作者: 瑞比    時間: 2006-7-13 10:34 AM     標題: 施丹指馬達拉斯出言侮辱家人

Zidane: Materazzi insulted my mother and sister

Zinedine Zidane has publicly apologised for his sending-off in the World Cup final, but claimed he did not regret his actions against Marco Materazzi.


Zidane, who was captaining his country in his final match before retirement, stated that Materazzi insulted his mother and sister in the seconds leading up to the incident, which saw the France midfielder thrust his head into the Italy defender's chest.


'I reacted badly and I would like to apologise for it,' Zidane told Canal Plus. 'I would like to apologise because a lot of children were watching the match. I do apologise but I don't regret my behaviour because regretting it would mean he was right to say what he said.

'There was no tension with Materazzi before or during the match.

'He just put his hand onto my shirt and I told him to stop. I told him that if he wanted it I could give it to him at the end of the match.

'Then he said very harsh words to me and repeated them several times. I left but then I went back towards him and things went very fast. The words he said concerned my mother and sister.

'I heard them once, then twice, and the third time I couldn't control myself. I am a man and some words are harder to hear than actions. I would have rather been knocked down than hear that.'

'Afterwards I explained to the referee that I had been provoked, but my behaviour is not forgivable,' Zidane said.

Without Zidane, who had earlier given France the lead with a penalty, extra-time finished with the score locked at 1-1, and Zidane's team lost the penalty shoot-out 5-3 to Italy.

Asked whether he plans to attend FIFA hearings into the incident, Zidane said that he would seek to defend himself.

'I will go and I will tell everything I have just said,' he added. 'The reaction is always punished but if there is no provocation there is no reaction. The guilty person is the one who provokes.

'If I reacted that way, it is because something bad happened. Do you really believe that 10 minutes before the end of my career I would be able to make such a bad gesture? The provocation was very serious.'

The incident was a sad way to end what has been a glittering career for Zidane, but he insisted he would not change his mind about retiring.

'This is a decision I have made and I will not go back on it,' he said. 'This is definite. I will not play again.'

Materazzi himself, who scored the equaliser for Italy on Sunday, made a statement of his own while Zidane was speaking on French television.

'I didn't mention anything about religion, politics or racism,' he said. 'I didn't insult his mother. I lost my mother when I was 15 years old and still get emotional when I talk about it.

'Naturally, I didn't know that his mother was in hospital but I wish her all the best.

'Zidane is my hero and I have always admired him a lot.'

from:soccernet

希望大家唔好再肓目死撐邊個邊個
好似覺得佢地沒錯...

最公道:2個都有錯
作者: 自由神    時間: 2006-7-13 11:23 AM

已經唔想再討論呢個問題啦！
作者: austin666    時間: 2006-7-13 11:34 AM

Originally posted by 瑞比 at 2006-7-13 10:34 AM:
Zidane: Materazzi insulted my mo...
其實到左今日先講
已經冇左即講果種真實性
2條友講的野都已經不可信了

2條友都有錯
呢d一開始就係

不過,實有人會話
馬仔先出口c丹先會頂人
然後又一定有人話
c丹一定又係做左d野\講左d野
馬仔先出口的
呢單野一定係沒完沒了的
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:20 PM

點講都好，用頭撞人就一定大錯特錯，
施丹話人地挑釁佢，點解唔否認有講過
串人「交換球衣」的言論呢？
人鬧你，你咪鬧番人law，
君子動口不動頭。

「頂人」就一定紅牌，唔明為何仲有人同情施丹？
再講，施丹如果不是球王，只是球技三流小角色，
又有無人「盲目地」支持他說：「馬特拉斯侮辱人在先，是他錯！」
絕對不會有吧？
畢竟，崇拜偶像的人真夠盲目。
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:22 PM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 2006-7-13 11:23 AM:
已經唔想再討論呢個問題啦！
你唔想討論，唔post咪得law，係咪？
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-13 12:25 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 12:22 PM:


你唔想討論，唔post咪得law，係咪？
andy兄，請去e度：
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ;page=6&fpage=1
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:27 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-13 12:25 PM:

andy兄，請去e度：
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ;page=6&fpage=1
已睇緊，thx!!
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-13 12:30 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 12:27 PM:


已睇緊，thx!!
...
其實係 板主 將本人幾個topic合併
連<恭迎andyho>也是 ...
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:33 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-13 12:30 PM:

...
其實係 板主 將本人幾個topic合併
連<恭迎andyho>也是 ...
那我上次講的翻譯版官能小說可在那裡post wor。
作者: JerryLee    時間: 2006-7-13 12:34 PM

我覺得施丹做得好對
他只需對觀眾球迷講對不起
無需向馬達拉斯道歉
因為等同認同其行為

其實 作為一位球迷的我一早都無唔怪他

遺憾的是他最後一場比賽留下了污點 不能夠捧世界盃
但球王響我心目中的地位唔會改變

希望唔好取消他金球獎
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-13 12:37 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 12:33 PM:


那我上次講的翻譯版官能小說可在那裡post wor。
唔肯定，
但如果係你自己翻譯，
我唸可以news topic，
仲可能有分加tim~~

有咩野，都去小弟私人topic傾la~~
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:45 PM

Originally posted by JerryLee at 2006-7-13 12:34 PM:
我覺得施丹做得好對
他只需對...
容我好奇問一句。
閣下是施丹fans，如果是施丹出言撩人，
被馬特拉斯一頭撞到黐肺，
你會幫哪一邊呢？
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 12:45 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-13 12:37 PM:

唔肯定，
但如果係你自己翻譯，
我唸可以news topic，
仲可能有分加tim~~

有咩野，都去小弟私人topic傾la~~
好！會定期入來，到你個topic，相信你都會經常出現。
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-13 12:51 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 12:45 PM:


好！會定期入來，到你個topic，相信你都會經常出現。
幾時講身份我聽？
作者: vv1668vv    時間: 2006-7-13 01:11 PM

Originally posted by 瑞比 at 2006-7-13 10:34 AM:
Zidane: Materazzi insulted my mo...
HELLO 瑞比
谢谢分享
作者: JerryLee    時間: 2006-7-13 02:14 PM

如果是施丹出言撩人，被馬特拉斯一頭撞到黐肺 你會幫哪一邊呢？
我只系講施丹向球迷道歉而唔向馬達拉斯道歉系對的
因為兩個都有錯 唔通比人問候完仲要向他道歉

我並無講施丹的行為系對的

[ Last edited by JerryLee on 2006-7-13 at 02:16 PM ]
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-13 05:58 PM

Originally posted by JerryLee at 2006-7-13 02:14 PM:


我只系講施丹向球迷道歉而唔向馬...
我有問過你施丹有無錯咩？有咩？
點解要避開問題呢？點解你唔直接答呢？
如果兩個角色對調，你的看法會不會不同呢？

又問多個問題，馬達拉斯侮辱施丹前，
好似有個人囂張地說過：「你想要我件波衫？完場我實比你！」
o甘到底，邊個先撩者賤呢？
先高調串人，到人地反罵你，你就用頭撞人，
然後話：「係佢挑釁我，佢錯！」
原來有球技就大晒？球品呢？

球證陳譚新今日因施丹一事發言，我就覺得非常中肯。
作者: JerryLee    時間: 2006-7-13 08:10 PM

我只系在這裡發表對施丹對事件回應做法的看法

我根本也不理會邊個先挑釁
並沒打算評論施丹用頭頂人的始端

我回應是施丹不向馬達拉斯道歉系應該的
如果要道歉的話 兩個都要向全世界球迷道歉
他們破壞了球賽的氣氛
作者: hizaku    時間: 2006-7-13 09:37 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 05:58 PM:


我有問過你施丹有無錯咩？有咩？
...
好似有個人囂張地說過：「你想要我件波衫？完場我實比你！」<---

i am not on either side but do you know why zidane said such thing?

materazzi was helding zidane shirt seconds before the incident

o甘到底，邊個先撩者賤呢？

[ Last edited by hizaku on 2006-7-13 at 09:39 PM ]
作者: 阿感    時間: 2006-7-13 09:48 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 05:58 PM:


我有問過你施丹有無錯咩？有咩？
...
係要你問過人人地先講得架咩?
作者: 迷途小羔羊    時間: 2006-7-13 10:00 PM

Originally posted by hizaku at 2006-7-13 09:37 PM:


好似有個人囂張地說過：「你想要...
囂張地？？？
這句說話有何囂張

說這句，只是純粹叫馬達拉斯唔好再拉衫
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-13 10:03 PM

Originally posted by 迷途小羔羊 at 2006-7-13 10:00 PM:

囂張地？？？
這句說話有何囂張

說這句，只是純粹叫馬達拉斯唔好再拉衫
你好靚仔

你覺得呢句說話係讚美定踩人？？講野既語氣和表情以及當時既環境將會影響句子的意思。
作者: hizaku    時間: 2006-7-13 10:22 PM

Originally posted by 迷途小羔羊 at 2006-7-13 10:00 PM:

囂張地？？？
這句說話有何囂張

說這句，只是純粹叫馬達拉斯唔好再拉衫
i was quoting from someone else
peace
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-13 10:54 PM

羅馬市長不滿轉移視線
13/07/2006



同人唔同命。法國球王施丹頭槌傷人在先，受害者馬特拉斯卻受千夫所指。國際足協貿然介入調查事件，羅馬市長韋爾特羅尼即時火冒三丈，並翻托迪「放飛劍」舊帳，質疑足協○四年歐國盃沒調查丹麥的保臣有否挑釁行為，今勻厚此薄彼擺明「大細超」。  

翻托迪舊帳未查保臣
  

國際足協日前發表聲明，宣布會就施丹的「愛心頭槌」召開紀律聆訊，務求查個水落石出。儘管足協聲稱這是正常程序，但意國傳媒懷疑此舉志在處分馬特拉斯，好維護施丹的球王身份。羅馬市長韋爾特羅尼帶頭痛斥足協厚此薄彼，搬出○四年托迪在歐國盃被停賽的例子：「我覺得佢對待托迪同施丹太雙重標準，施丹係球王都冇理由咁！」

事緣當年意大利對丹麥，托迪向對手保臣吐口水，被丹麥電視台拍下片段送呈歐洲足協，最終被重罰停賽四場。當時根本沒人關心保臣如何令托迪失控，但如今是非顛倒，國際足協不嚴懲施丹，反將矛頭指向馬特拉斯，難怪意國會大表不滿。  


講得好！！！呢d咪有智識既人講既野囉！！
作者: chicken    時間: 2006-7-14 12:04 AM

羅馬市長轉移視線

Totti is Totti, Zidane is Zidane.

Totti had not been sent off during the match but Zidane had.
作者: 迷途小羔羊    時間: 2006-7-14 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-13 10:54 PM:
事緣當年意大利對丹麥，托迪向對手保臣吐口水，被丹麥電視台拍下片段送呈歐洲足協，最終被重罰停賽四場。當時根本沒人關心保臣如何令托迪失控，但如今是非顛倒，國際足協不嚴懲施丹，反將矛頭指向馬特拉斯，難怪意國會大表不滿。  
如果意大利方面的人咁講法，所質疑的就並不是為何要反查馬達拉斯，所質疑的只是為何和托迪例子雙重標準。言語間，佢只埋怨之前對待托迪的方法不夠正允，今次處理方法不就正是更考慮雙方面嗎？

說FIFA想維護施丹，不如說意大利想維護馬達拉斯
作者: 迷途小羔羊    時間: 2006-7-14 12:12 AM

Originally posted by 迷途小羔羊 at 2006-7-14 12:10 AM:

如果意大利方面的人咁講法，所質疑...
sorry…不知點解搞大左d字@@
不是有意
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-14 12:15 AM

Originally posted by 迷途小羔羊 at 2006-7-14 12:10 AM:

如果意大利方面的人咁講法，所質疑...
哈哈！！馬達拉斯俾施丹頂心頭，反而俾人鬧，呢d咁既理論真係正，馬達拉斯過多幾年後死鬼左可能就係呢一下頭鎚令佢有內傷引致，施丹如果唔係球場內？？辰早俾警察捉左佢傷人啦！！！佢咪同警察講係馬達拉斯鬧佢老婆囉，睇下人地告唔告佢？？笑話。
作者: babo    時間: 2006-7-14 12:18 AM

Originally posted by chicken at 2006-7-14 12:04 AM:
羅馬市長轉移視線

Totti is Totti, Zidane is Zidane.

Totti had not been sent off during the match but Zidane had.
托迪..果場波唔係紅完事後再停賽咩@@?
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-14 12:19 AM

而且，馬達拉斯係話：我想除你老婆件衫多d，而沒有鬧佢阿媽，人地馬達拉斯15歲就死左阿媽，會唔會仲鬧施丹阿媽？？正路都唔會啦，你施丹串咀就得，點解馬達拉斯串番你轉頭就唔得？？施丹你個人都好惡下wor！！！人地串番你就動粗打人，仲要強詞奪理唔認錯......自己當初有冇串過馬達拉斯自己心照啦，唉......
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-14 12:22 AM

Originally posted by babo at 2006-7-14 12:18 AM:


托迪..果場波唔係紅完事後再停賽咩@@?
當場冇被罰，但事後停賽4場，老實講，當初全成界淨係識鬧托迪，又有冇人關心過托迪當場遇到的事？？為何施丹可以因別人串咀而打人，但托迪就唔可以因別人串咀而吐口水？？而家施丹打人，有理，托迪吐口水，不智、低能。

被施丹打，罪人，被托迪吐口水，無辜。
作者: babo    時間: 2006-7-14 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-14 12:22 AM:


當場冇被罰，但事後停賽4場，老實...
原來如此@@

呢樣就可以證明
施丹個朵係大過托迪好多~
朵大係有人撐
係唔公平喇-_-

呢d咁既言語挑釁...年中都唔少.
只不過呢場係世杯決賽..焦點落晒呢兩個人身上..
足協唔多唔少都受外間壓力影響而查.

[ Last edited by babo on 2006-7-14 at 12:33 AM ]
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-14 12:55 AM

Originally posted by babo at 2006-7-14 12:29 AM:


原來如此@@

呢樣就可以證明
...
唉，我諗就算係李健和都末必會因為別人對佢講一句四字粗口問候亞媽而打別人啦，絕對唔會咁弱智。
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-14 02:16 AM

Originally posted by austin666 at 2006-7-13 11:34 AM:




其實到左今日先講
已經冇左...
非常同意
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-14 02:19 AM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-13 12:45 PM:


容我好奇問一句。
閣下是施丹fans，如果是施丹出言撩人，
被馬特拉斯一頭撞到黐肺，
你會幫哪一邊呢？
俾我ge話
兩面都唔幫
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-14 02:21 AM

Originally posted by hizaku at 2006-7-13 09:37 PM:


好似有個人囂張地說過：「你想要...

咁都有得講
作者: babo    時間: 2006-7-14 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-14 12:55 AM:


唉，我諗就算係李健和都末必會因為別人對佢講一句四字粗口問候亞媽而打別人啦，絕對唔會咁弱智。
但和仔有省球例既前科
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-14 12:22 AM:

當場冇被罰，但事後停賽4場，老實講，當初全成界淨係識鬧托迪，又有冇人關心過托迪當場遇到的事？？為何施丹可以因別人串咀而打人，但托迪就唔可以因別人串咀而吐口水？？而家施丹打人，有理，托迪吐口水，不智、低能。
被施丹打，罪人，被托迪吐口水，無辜。
同意ar！
從來未聽過有人為吐口水的托迪平反，
但好多人爭住幫一個用頭撞人的球員辯護，
所以話，崇拜偶像幾盲目ar。

施丹件事的最新發展是，
法國有律師說，第四旁證憑電視錄播罰施丹，
以法律程序要求重賽，
不感到奇怪了，看完決賽，
都已知道法國人中有好多無賴。
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-14 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-14 00:15:


哈哈！！馬達拉斯俾施丹頂心頭，...
你淨係識得笑...
好似完全唔明人哋講乜咁....
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-14 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-14 00:19:
而且，馬達拉斯係話：我想除你老婆件衫多d，而沒有鬧佢阿媽，人地馬達拉斯15歲就死左阿媽，會唔會仲鬧施丹阿媽？？正路都唔會啦，你施丹串咀就得，點解馬達拉斯串番你轉頭就唔得？？施丹你個人都好惡下wor！！！人地串番你就動粗打人，仲要強詞奪理唔認錯......自己當初有冇串過馬達拉斯自己心照啦，唉......
好嘢~
你真係唔盲目~
重好有自己嘅point添~
作者: kantang4910    時間: 2006-7-14 12:48 PM

Originally posted by iMacc at 2006-7-14 12:12 PM:

好嘢~
你真係唔盲目~
重好有自己嘅point添~
敢問閣下踢過波未?
踢波期間又有無問候過對手的屋企人?
我就試唔少,咁應該成日俾人用頭撞啦?
如果踢波問候人屋企人就要調查,我諗足總都好忙

要調查施丹用頭撞人事件的人,非常無聊
支持調查的人,更無聊

各位收手吧
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 01:17 PM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-14 12:48 PM:

要調查施丹用頭撞人事件的人,非常無聊
支持調查的人,更無聊
既然要查，就最好要求施丹澄清有無講過：「想要我件衫？完場我實比你！」
這種囂張說話，他好像從未否認。
等大家認清楚這位「頭鎚球王」的真面目都好ar。
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 01:26 PM

Originally posted by scorerhk at 2006-7-14 02:19 AM:

俾我ge話
兩面都唔幫
假如你同個friend去街，
有個陌生人問候你個friend娘親，
被你個friend打到入醫院留醫。

之後你個friend說：「我是衝動了點，但錯在對方先侮辱我娘親，
所以，我毋需向被我打的人道歉！」

你輕描淡寫講一句：「呢件事算啦，我兩面都唔幫。」
其實，你是不是已經有偏幫呢？

[ Last edited by andyho on 2006-7-14 at 01:31 PM ]
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-14 02:17 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 13:26:


假如你同個friend去街，
有個陌...
睇你咁講即係話~
你唔會理會俾打個人之前做過d乜~
總之俾人打就打人嗰個唔啱啦~right~?
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-14 02:19 PM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-14 12:48:

敢問閣下踢過波未?
踢波期間又有...
我唔係成日踢...但都係周不時會踢嗰隻~
我試過同d0靘仔踢...踢完你重串串槓咁...交都有得打~
作者: kantang4910    時間: 2006-7-14 02:54 PM

任何時候,出手打人個位一定唔啱
唔理之前邊個唔啱,打完人,對方報警監都有得坐
成熟啲,唔好咁幼稚
仲要以為自己好啱
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 04:24 PM

Originally posted by iMacc at 2006-7-14 02:17 PM:

睇你咁講即係話~
你唔會理會俾打個人之前做過d乜~
總之俾人打就打人嗰個唔啱啦~right~?
>你唔會理會俾打個人之前做過d乜~

你無謂用這句歪理屈我ar，
我想講，人鬧你，你咪鬧番人law，或者向球證投訴law。
就當馬特拉斯錯晒，是不是施丹莫說撞人，就連殺人都是責任各半？
可以大條道理說句：「我係衝動，但馬特拉斯激怒我，我至會殺佢，
他都有一半責任！我毋需向對方道歉！」
講得通嗎？

我引一句說話：
碧根鮑華（世界盃籌委會主席）﹕「施丹這舉動一點也不感到意外，因為他效力祖雲達斯期間，便曾做出類似的行為。」
其實有些球員有沒有球品，從往績可以看到。
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-14 04:27 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 04:24 PM:


>你唔會理會俾打個人之前做過d...
夠鐘同我傾偈la~~
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 04:28 PM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-14 02:54 PM:
任何時候,出手打人個位一定唔啱
唔理之前邊個唔啱,打完人,對方報警監都有得坐
成熟啲,唔好咁幼稚
仲要以為自己好啱
同意！
其實盲目崇拜偶像都會有那種想法。
反過來，如果被人用頭撞到倒地的是施丹，
你又睇睇盲目死硬派施丹fans點講ar，
到時就會改口說馬特拉斯打人最錯。
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 04:28 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-14 04:27 PM:

夠鐘同我傾偈la~~
手痕覆兩句o乍，今晚同你傾ar。
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-14 04:31 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 04:28 PM:


手痕覆兩句o乍，今晚同你傾ar。
好，幾點？
記住e度ar：
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ;page=6&fpage=1
作者: austin666    時間: 2006-7-14 04:34 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 01:17 PM:


既然要查，就最好要求施丹澄清有...
同意

如果要查就由源頭查
咁先夠公平
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-14 04:38 PM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-14 04:31 PM:

好，幾點？
記住e度ar：
http://www.26fun.com/bbs/viewthr ... ;page=6&fpage=1
好！愈夜愈易找到我。
作者: 甘國武    時間: 2006-7-14 04:41 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 04:38 PM:


好！愈夜愈易找到我。
我想11pm前訓喎 ...
作者: alexinzaghi    時間: 2006-7-14 05:28 PM

Originally posted by iMacc at 2006-7-14 02:19 PM:

我唔係成日踢...但都係周不時會踢嗰隻~
我試過同d0靘仔踢...踢完你重串串槓咁...交都有得打~
人地串你咪串翻佢LOH....你打人比差老拉左睇下佢會唔會理你因MUD事打傷人
又唔係野蠻人...下下比人激親就打人個社會咪好大鍋...
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-14 08:18 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 01:26 PM:


假如你同個friend去街，
有個陌...
兩個都有錯,點解我重要幫其中一個
少錯就等於無錯?
唔幫施丹就要幫馬特拉斯...唔好咁夾硬黎la
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-15 01:17 AM

Originally posted by babo at 2006-7-14 09:37 AM:


但和仔有省球例既前科
但和仔相信唔會因為人地講一兩句通俗四字媽媽就打人囉，上次都係個球證加埋張牌先咁激姐，在足球壇上，粗口當食生菜啦！！！日日聽，同打招呼都冇分別，係施丹M到先咁火姐。
作者: Kian76    時間: 2006-7-15 01:32 AM

Originally posted by scorerhk at 2006-7-14 08:18 PM:


兩個都有錯,點解我重要幫其中一個
少錯就等於無錯?
唔幫施丹就要幫馬特拉斯...唔好咁夾硬黎la
我知你既立場，但老實講，而家個問題己經變左質，當初別人批評施丹d乜？？

係：身為球隊領袖，低能沉唔住氣做出弱智既行為，間接令球隊輸波，只顧自己利益，損害了球隊利益，忘記了自己不是為自己而戰，是為國家為球隊而戰。

但及後d盲目人仕就顛倒事非，講到施丹做出呢個弱智行為係正義而且合理，講到馬達拉斯係罪人，因為馬達拉斯鬧聖人施丹！！！就係咁簡單，完全唔理會施丹係咪串咀在先，同埋個問題所在係在於施丹出頭攻擊別人身體。

跟住就鬧、鬧、鬧，然後就有你呢d和平使者走出黎打圓場話兩邊都錯。

但老實講，馬達拉斯又錯d乜呀？？唔好為左打圓場就屈人啦，你咁講，球場上冇人係正確囉，即係一有口角就做錯左，要記住囉，口角係包括意見不合，即係球場上基本上係冇人做正確行為，因為基本上球場上一定好多口角。

但講番轉頭，球場上又係咪好多直接攻擊別人身體的行為呢？？唔太多囉！！！

就係因為咁，施丹因為普通的口角而動粗，咪特別錯囉！！！

咪要被別人批評囉！！！





仲有，我想講題外話，呢個世界係冇真正既客觀，亦冇真正的對與錯，你表態與不表態而代表了你的立場，嚴格來說己經不算是客觀，因為有了一種立場，但我只知道跟住法例、法制來說，既然有了這一條法例說明，傷人、打人是錯的行為，為何還會有人說不？？
作者: biglin    時間: 2006-7-15 04:19 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSA_I-nFXOU

Interviewer: You know the Italian players well because you played in Italy for five years. Did you have any problem with any of them beforehand?

Zinedine Zidane: Not at all. You always have friction with certain players...that is the game, it has always been like that. But I never had any clashes with anyone.

Interviewer: Nor Materazzi?

Zinedine Zidane: No, never. There was nothing beforehand and nothing in the match until he started pulling my jersey.

He grabbed my shirt and I told him to stop. I told him if he wanted I'd swap it with him at the end of the match.

That is when he said some very hard words, which were harder than gestures. He repeated them several times. It all happened very quickly and he spoke about things which hurt me deep down.

Interviewer: Everyone wants to know exactly what he said...

Zinedine Zidane: They were very serious things, very personal things.

Interviewer: About your mother and your sister?

Zinedine Zidane: Yes. They were very hard words. You hear them once and you try to move away.

But then you hear them twice, and then a third time... I am a man and some words are harder to hear than actions. I would rather have taken a blow to the face than hear that.

Interviewer: He said these things about your mother and sister two or three times?

Zinedine Zidane: Yes. I reacted and of course it is not a gesture you should do. I must say that strongly.

It was seen by two or three billion people watching on television and millions and millions of children.

It was an inexcusable gesture and to them, and the people in education whose job it is to show children what they should and shouldn't do, I want to apologise.

Interviewer: You apologise to them but do you really regret having done it?

Zinedine Zidane: I can't regret it because if I do it would be like admitting that he was right to say all that. And above all, it was not right.

We always talk about the reaction, and inevitably it must be punished. But if there is no provocation, there is no reaction.

irst of all you have to say there is provocation, and the guilty one is the one who does the provoking. The response is to always punish the reaction, but if I react, something has happened.

Do you imagine that in a World Cup final like that, with just 10 minutes to go to the end of my career, I am going to do something like that because it gives me pleasure?

Interviewer: No of course not. But at the moment you exploded...

Zinedine Zidane: There was provocation, and it was very serious, that is all. My action was inexcusable but you have to punish the real culprit, and the real culprit is the one who provoked it. Voila.





The translation is up by bbc



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/team s/france/5174758.stm
作者: biglin    時間: 2006-7-15 04:25 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/ ... /france/5174758.stm
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-15 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-15 01:32 AM:


我知你既立場，但老實講，而家個...
完全同意你講法。
想補充幾句，最初還盛傳施丹被種族歧視，現時已證明無中生有。
是甚麼人無中生有呢？為何要無中生有呢？
只有兩種人會這樣做，其一，是不服輸的法國球迷，
其二，是本版常出現的那類盲目施丹fans，
他們不斷找原因讓「撞人一事合理化」或
講句「其實雙方都有錯」來淡化施丹罪名。

老實說，凡是打人而紅牌出場的球員，
最初都一定因為和對手衝撞或口角而動粗，不會只是一個人的責任。
若果如有些版友所講，要看球員打人的原因，
那麼足球史上每個紅牌出場的球員都應得到同情，得到體諒，
為何沒有人說句：「其實打人及被打雙方都有錯」？
為何只有施丹一個有特權？
原因很簡單，fans要盲目偏幫。
講完。
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-15 09:27 AM

Originally posted by 甘國武 at 2006-7-14 04:41 PM:

我想11pm前訓喎 ...
今晚點呀？
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-15 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2006-7-15 01:32 AM:


我知你既立場，但老實講，而家個...
你明我明la,可能大家尺度唔同la,問題係施丹有錯而被講成無辜的情況,
造成有人不甘將歪理講成道理,呢d我都唔多講lo,因為好多人都講過,是非黑白對錯自知la,
有人要夾硬講成對我都無辨法,我只係想講,唔想因為施丹的大錯,而忽略馬仔的小錯,變相因爭辯而講到馬仔真係完全,無錯的行為
只不過呢d少錯在球場上又未致於要受到批評,又常見到,就是如此情況,所以我都唔想幫,

我所表明既口角,唔係廣泛指ge口角,只係講佢地表現出黎個種,敵我相方有挑釁性,有又侮辱說話個d
不過算la,都無乜好講lo
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-15 10:01 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-15 09:26 AM:


完全同意你講法。
想補充幾句，...
你都話人地盲目支持la,咁己經無討論的空間,爭議的需要
作者: andyho    時間: 2006-7-16 12:57 PM

Originally posted by scorerhk at 2006-7-15 10:01 PM:

你都話人地盲目支持la,咁己經無討論的空間,爭議的需要
你過去我隔籬條題看看，
有死硬派fans認為鬧人的馬仔及其父應受宮刑，
但對施丹及其母所為不作任何譴責，
這種是不是盲目支持偶像？你話呢！
如果你不同意我說人「盲目」，你可以拿出道德反駁我o架。
如果你有道理的話。係咪？
作者: Azuma    時間: 2006-7-16 01:20 PM

Originally posted by scorerhk at 2006-7-15 10:01 PM:



你都話人地盲目支持la,咁己經無討論的空間,爭議的需要
討論或言論自由
係應該有
但係
例如有人話"殺人應該無罪"
係大是大非的情況下係
唔係應該搬言論自由出黎
如果有人插隊
插係你前面跟住你同佢理論
佢講曬粗口問候你屋企所有人
咁你出手打佢arm 唔arm?

佢出口挑起事端係唔arm
但打人就仲唔arm......................

身為一個職業足球員
身理同心理
都應該有一定水平

你打佢
可以保你個人及家人榮祿
但係
你係代表國家隊的重心人物
國家的榮祿是不是應該重視............................

我覺得兩個都不著的地方
而球證的判決係可以理解(阿根廷球證,我諗佢未必識聽意大利話)
作者: scorerhk    時間: 2006-7-16 11:56 PM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-16 12:57 PM:


你過去我隔籬條題看看，
[color=...
sorry!我語言表達上有問題...
唔係話你話人盲目,沒言論空間
係佢地本身ge盲目,我地無需爭辯姐
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-18 10:21 AM

Originally posted by andyho at 2006-7-14 16:24:
就當馬特拉斯錯晒，是不是施丹莫說撞人，就連殺人都是責任各半？
可以大條道理說句：「我係衝動，但馬特拉斯激怒我，我至會殺佢，
他都有一半責任！我毋需向對方道歉！」
講得通嗎？
打個比喻都唔駛去到咁盡~
你D道理好難說服到我~
我學你的方法打個比喻~

可以大條道理說句：「我係衝動，但馬特拉斯殺咗我家人，我至會頂佢心口一嘢，
他都有一半責任！我毋需向對方道歉！」

咁又覺得點呢~?
作者: ABCstopper    時間: 2006-7-18 10:45 AM

比我就一腳飛埋去取條契弟首級呀,反正都收山!
作者: kantang4910    時間: 2006-7-19 06:36 AM

Originally posted by iMacc at 2006-7-18 10:21 AM:

打個比喻都唔駛去到咁盡~
你D道理...
又話"殺咗人全家',除咗武力,你仲識乜?

而家人哋祗係講,但有人動手都仲大條道理,呢個係乜嘢世界?

你都識話衝動至打人,我就未見過唔冷靜嘅人會有成就,

祝你有成就
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-19 11:19 AM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-19 06:36:

又話"殺咗人全家',除咗武力,你仲識乜?

而家人哋祗係講,但有人動手都仲大條道理,呢個係乜嘢世界?

你都識話衝動至打人,我就未見過唔冷靜嘅人會有成就,

祝你有成就
可以大條道理說句：「我係衝動，但馬特拉斯激怒我，我至會殺佢，
他都有一半責任！我毋需向對方道歉！」
唔該你出post之前睇清楚我回嗰個人講乜先~

我就見過唔小識得字小而有成就嘅人~
但就未見過斷章取義而有成就嘅人啵~
作者: kantang4910    時間: 2006-7-19 11:43 AM

Originally posted by iMacc at 2006-7-19 11:19 AM:



唔該你出post之前睇清楚我回嗰個人講乜先~

我就見過唔小識得字小而有成就嘅人~
但就未見過斷章取義而有成就嘅人啵~
無論都見到"殺咗我全家"呢一句,話我斷章取義,唔通我講錯?

不過,呢啲都係你嘅習慣-----自有自講
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-19 03:07 PM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-19 11:43:


無論都見到"殺咗我全家"呢一句,話我斷章取義,唔通我講錯?

不過,呢啲都係你嘅習慣-----自有自講
究竟你明唔明我回緊D咩.....
OK...我講清楚D俾你聽~
我回緊另外1個版話如果施丹殺咗人....
大佬人哋家陣用個頭頂佢一嘢...
搵殺咗馬仔嚟做比喻係咪啱呢~?
我都唔明你係咪睇緊人回嘢....
我只不過依照佢嘅講法掉轉身份講啫~
有咩問題~
你明好...唔明好...我都唔會再回你~
除非你明返我同佢講緊咩啦~
byebye~
作者: kantang4910    時間: 2006-7-19 03:32 PM

我會申一次,無論任何情况下,打人個位一定唔啱
你反而用"殺咗馬仔嚟做比喻",殺人唔通唔係武力或無打人咁嚴重?

你依舊故我,繼續----自己有自己講
作者: iMacc    時間: 2006-7-19 03:46 PM

Originally posted by kantang4910 at 2006-7-19 15:32:
我會申一次,無論任何情况下,打人個位...
你連邊個用"殺咗馬仔嚟做比喻"都未知就搭訕.....
咁我唯有送個叻俾你~



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