Originally posted by mhkk at 2007-9-13 13:07:$ o' y# A9 E' o. Y; K, k5 V
宋朝王帝個個都掛住玩
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 03:40 PM:+ G) h; h: I7 e; r" ?" X# v; V
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唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 15:40:
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. O; q. B2 p5 U) T, Y& f唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 18:45:
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一個屎皇帝,理唔理政事都一樣

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 07:12 PM:
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你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:23:
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6 v3 i+ f3 T" z! a5 F佢地無大改大革之才 , 所以受環境所限 ...

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 19:12:7 O. U5 }5 ~, N' N" y1 A

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5 L3 \0 O! K9 k你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 07:31 PM:
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北魏孝...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 19:31:, B0 _& |0 ~6 ?) d; d. v

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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 05:28 PM:
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8 G5 \! ?- U. K9 L" N3 C. o  W) |孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 17:39:! F# ^- E% I; @/ T6 q6 K
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孝文帝改革也可以說成對民族的出賣
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改革就 他 是統治層 , 鮮卑族+漢人 是被統治層

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:41:
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這又不能這麼說 , 王安石新政亦有其問題8 f, L7 h% p8 ~: |4 S
而 哲宗 重新政 , 只是沒排解好黨爭
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 17:28:
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孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 09:43 PM:
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5 u  a# C8 O/ A* ~3 _! q' N做大事及用人要三思而後行,這些皇帝做不到,是他們的問題9 y* F- _2 J' S$ Y, ^
更何況,決定權在皇帝手中,王安石只是提出意見,不能全說是他的錯

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 21:47:; q3 n3 w6 v$ G) d' b

" [% ]+ T" N! g7 `, i7 _我指的成功是他有自已的主見,不受人影響

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 22:07:9 m: U$ [  N; ?# e3 I

+ N7 Z# G* }: }7 [0 y' C( f那你口中的好皇帝 , 只有1%吧~~

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 22:23:& m5 g1 S' m( W: B4 r' n% u
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Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 23:30:7 s% h7 K. I8 i' q2 c, P
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-15 06:36:% S+ a3 j) Z; d9 G, d5 N, W

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