Originally posted by mhkk at 2007-9-13 13:07:
( y7 ]3 \- Z1 o3 a宋朝王帝個個都掛住玩
; b& n5 D5 k0 n, m1 H% l邊會理政事

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 03:40 PM:9 }7 N8 m; B5 z+ A
' @: [( s$ s& s5 ]8 l/ C

) B0 V8 [. G1 v, x6 y- _" @' a( Q唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 15:40:9 \4 `- B7 x" s3 _. I# c

2 o: r1 {" U% c$ r2 E3 q* ?* |3 h& P. x: y2 ^
唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 18:45:4 }2 m  r& b6 x% I$ j2 u5 l

% P! q, H5 w3 _一個屎皇帝,理唔理政事都一樣

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 07:12 PM:
0 v% `$ |' {/ ?9 h  e
* t; S# [8 j2 ?4 T8 y8 Y6 P5 R1 t3 s# [  N
你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:23:7 B$ D0 L! ^, Y; r8 v

* n2 i5 V2 o: X( f) V, C佢地無大改大革之才 , 所以受環境所限 ...

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 19:12:2 \% a- `7 ?" ~; _( K# O( \

  V3 W2 m8 v0 u( r  G- D- h3 k0 N# W' c' K: E: y
你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 07:31 PM:
) Z$ Z. `- e! F3 x) p! t% E/ [% N8 e# V

1 A9 Q% H0 Z# D# n* p非常同意
: d5 C  s+ M3 ~北魏孝...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 19:31:
. B% }4 M6 D  l/ Y& Z. Y: B
* `6 O# _, K% [+ A6 V/ ^
) i$ P' t4 ?3 E9 ~& F+ K* w9 j! N0 m非常同意
8 K4 Z" {' ], R( ?8 H北魏孝...

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 05:28 PM:
0 O) H( F. ~. L! ]* z, b3 }4 \: t& q( t! G, t1 n
6 Q7 H/ t3 n7 C2 H2 @
孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 17:39:. W! `; F& ~7 x, K+ b
, J! m, W# c& X- V
孝文帝改革也可以說成對民族的出賣) N  y: V* @9 @' \! @. d, p, }5 r7 i" I
原本是 他+鮮卑族 是統治層 , 漢人 是被統治層
4 b) `1 _3 O7 a7 ~  W0 r改革就 他 是統治層 , 鮮卑族+漢人 是被統治層

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:41:- z$ x) i/ o5 S: a
+ Z0 R/ o1 i3 u  R0 K$ _. w
這又不能這麼說 , 王安石新政亦有其問題3 M  ]1 i6 K0 C5 O0 K5 P: W# o: a
而 哲宗 重新政 , 只是沒排解好黨爭
; O2 C" N( o+ e3 U所以到其死後 , 便引發出大問題~~

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 17:28:7 R6 k* @9 ]  d1 Q

5 Y( _/ u  n- C
/ W  _. ?, j7 c4 _孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 09:43 PM:
6 p9 d/ I" b& }
0 F/ P2 y, S7 b% i/ Y% G/ ~做大事及用人要三思而後行,這些皇帝做不到,是他們的問題" v3 Y4 f; t9 Z8 X
更何況,決定權在皇帝手中,王安石只是提出意見,不能全說是他的錯

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 21:47:
) j0 B& ?* e- a. q: M! a# G
1 q9 K2 m# S, b% e: k5 X我指的成功是他有自已的主見,不受人影響

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 22:07:
9 M3 x. Y( @2 P' m% b5 ]* w% y/ h: K/ F2 w5 ]
那你口中的好皇帝 , 只有1%吧~~

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 22:23:
: p6 l, [2 I7 e3 g3 d( `9 j4 b% {& B' l7 p8 w
  B  T- F) m7 S
真的能不受人影響嗎???孝文帝漢化都受到別人的影響,更何況宋代時黨爭激烈...你估皇帝真的是萬能人麼?

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 23:30:# G; c* T4 c8 p) w  Z+ z) a9 n5 H

8 {0 A' ~7 \, ?( C5 V  P
0 S- h; ?- Q, ?其實我是指他不受主流意見所影響

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-15 06:36:
, F( D/ l3 @6 N% K5 e! D6 S
- G5 s  b2 n8 l! b( w5 H" W% a3 b1 K; m4 e+ {
咁即係要一意孤行,唔理班舊黨官員???無左佢地既幫助,朝政好難唔亂...