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作者: AshleyCole    時間: 2008-6-10 04:41 AM     標題: 痛快!進攻足球的勝利!

荷蘭今日表現堪稱完美!
強勢的中前場!
賞心悅目的比賽!
本以為今場有意大利，又會變成一場死龜、鐵桶戰!
估唔到賽前俾人睇低ge荷蘭會俾人咁大驚喜!
好耐冇睇過咁暢快ge進攻足球!
荷蘭抵讚!
作者: 奇    時間: 2008-6-10 04:54 AM

荷蘭進攻一向有計,不過意大利第一球唔抵,明明越位...
作者: donald15    時間: 2008-6-10 05:00 AM

Originally posted by 奇 at 2008-6-10 04:54 AM:
荷蘭進攻一向有計,不過意大利第一球唔抵,明明越位...
可以話係離譜
呢組球證之後應該唔會見到啦
作者: pc20001103b    時間: 2008-6-10 09:41 AM

聽講扑左出底線外既球員都算包左越位
作者: arthur8088    時間: 2008-6-10 09:52 AM

Originally posted by pc20001103b at 2008-6-10 09:41:
聽講扑左出底線外既球員都算包左越位
this would only happen if the player has intention to walk off the pitch or not coming back
but Panuuci was lying outside because of injury~~
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 10:12 AM

Originally posted by arthur8088 at 10-6-2008 09:52:

this would only happen if the player has intention to walk off the pitch or not coming back
but Panuuci was lying outside because of injury~~
The problem is Panucci was punched by his teammate Buffon...
It must be no fouls, it mustn't be any permissions from the referees and linesmans to leave the field either...

PS: I've PM Bright for professional reply....

[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 10:19 AM ]
作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-10 10:24 AM

i will answer this question tonight..... after I watch the video....
作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-10 10:32 AM

I thought it was offside at 1st, but maybe not later.

someone was mentioning about the Fifa rule book or law 11.11 DEFENDER LEGALLY OFF THE FIELD OF PLAY A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touchline or goal line closest to his off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.

I think the Itailian defender was actually pushed off the pitch by his own keeper too and (maybe injured in the process a little), but I guess it's still not under the permission of the referee and so counted still as the last man.

[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 10:34 AM ]
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 10:33 AM

各大體育新聞網站對雲尼斯達萊入球的意見


[quote]

Skysports:

"There were substantial protests as Italy believed the striker was offside, but the goal was allowed to stand - seemingly because of the presence of Christian Panucci, who was lying behind the goal line throughout."


Satanta:

"The Real Madrid striker was at least two yards offside when he tapped home inside the six-yard box. The linesman may have believed Christian Panucci played him onside but the felled Roma defender was clearly off the field of play when Sneijder struck the ball back into the danger area."


BBC:

"Van Nistelrooy had better luck when he gave the Dutch the lead in hugely questionable circumstances after 26 minutes, standing in what looked like an offside position when he steered Sneijder's shot past Buffon."


ESPN:

"Striker Van Nistelrooy was clearly in an offside position when he turned in a shot from Sneijder, who was celebrating his 24th birthday, after 26 minutes.
Despite vehement Italian protests to the linesman, Swedish referee Peter Frojdfeldt ignored their calls to the delight of the vast swathes of orange-clad Dutch fans in the stadium."


Daily Mail:

"Former Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy gave the Dutch the lead in controversial circumstances after 26 minutes when he scored from close range - but also from an offside position."
[/quote]

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作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-10 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Edgar_Davids at 2008-6-10 10:33 AM:


I finally understand what you're doing....

[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 10:35 AM ]
lol, you said reply and I did it 'literally' but wanted to edit but the browser hanged at that time, so you edited first
作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-10 10:42 AM

June 9 (Reuters) - A Euro 2008 controversy broke out on Monday over Ruud van Nistelrooy’s first goal for Netherlands against Italy with referees and players arguing about an interpretation of the offside law.

Van Nistelrooy scored in the 26th minute of his team’s 3-0 Group C win in Berne, turning a fierce drive from Wesley Sneijder past keeper Gianluigi Buffon from close range.

The Italians protested he was offside and video replays showed him in what looked a blatant offside position. Van Nistelrooy and his team mates looked nervously around expecting the linesman’s flag as they celebrated the goal.

But later there was confusion about whether Italy defender Christian Panucci had played the Dutch striker onside.

Panucci fell and went off the field of play behind the byline after clashing with other players in the preceding goalmouth scramble and was lying injured on his back when the ball went into the net.

Austrian referees’ commission chairman Gerhard Kapl was quoted on the Austrian Web site www.sportal.at as saying the goal was correctly awarded.

“The injured player behind the goal counts as a player on the field and therefore it was not offside,” said Kapl.

Predictably, Dutch players said the goal was good and Italian players said it was not.

UEFA were unable to clear up the matter immediately and none of the experts quoted on various TV networks seemed able to point to a rule in FIFA’s laws of the game which could clarify the position.

UEFA media official Richard Hurni told Reuters at the stadium: “There won’t be anything official tonight. It will probably be at the briefing tomorrow.”

Tournament organisers hold a daily media briefing at 0900 GMT. UEFA general secretary David Taylor was due to be at Tuesday’s briefing.

(Writing by Paul Radford; assessment by Reuters reporters)

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news ... uters&type=lgns
作者: 自由神    時間: 2008-6-10 10:48 AM

睇大家點睇啦
大家可能而家好睇好荷蘭做出線甚至冠軍份子
不過佢入既第二同第三球係因為反擊，意國後防極亂而入
意大利失第一球有無越位都好啦
的確失既二、三球都係因為要空群而出所以失
若果無第一球，第二、三球好大機會唔會出現
睇多場先啦
荷蘭傻起上黎可以好傻嫁

雲邦賀斯估唔到仲可以咁快
作者: amigofans    時間: 2008-6-10 10:56 AM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 2008-6-10 10:48 AM:
睇大家點睇啦
大家可能而家好睇好...
係呀, 佢地咁好表現, 同意大利打到一劈屎一樣有莫大關係架...
如果雲達沙救唔到個罰球, 係2比1, 之後有無2比2都好難講...

雲巴士頓換入尹佩斯, 更係失敗之作 !

不過佢地贏左之後, 出線係好大機會, 皆因法國同羅馬尼亞都係得1分...
而且法國既表現, 被意大利更加差, 起碼意大利下半場有改善,
埋門都有威脅, 法國就....
作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-10 10:57 AM

順便加了video link ，每個評論員當時一定是說越位

http://videos.sapo.pt/iwz7dl6FfK48ievT1GTm
Van Nistelrooy Goal
作者: 自由神    時間: 2008-6-10 11:01 AM

Originally posted by filter-052fans at 2008-6-10 10:56 AM:


係呀, 佢地咁好表現, 同意大利打...
其實仲有個好重要既原因，就係雲師
還記得2年前，世界盃
荷蘭對葡萄牙，兩隊球員好似少林足球咁打曬交
當時領隊既調換係可以控制隊波既“火氣”
雲師只係呆左咁諗點解班球員咁火爆而唔係自己做野去控制班波
雲師打順景波係好，打逆景既話
作者: 有事鐘無艷    時間: 2008-6-10 11:33 AM

就算入球無效....我地都可以見到雲佬既觸覺有幾強.....
雲邦荷斯係射得好"恆"
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 11:34 AM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 10:48:
睇大家點睇啦
大家可能而家好睇好...
I care only about if the Dutch has offside...
I treat this as a process of learning FIFA regulations...


But the line-up yesterday also showed something....


1. In midfield, Italy used Gattuso(大跌watt), Pirlo(Tired) and Ambrosini...
    a. Tired (The same fatal point as AC Milan)
    b. 100% Defensive (Why didn't he use De Rossi ?)

2. In forward, Dutch's wings (Sneijder & Kuyt) played quite wide
    and Italy couldn't effectively performed the golden cen. midfield.

3. In defense, Barzagli and Materazzi weren't nice options
    a.  Materazzi: Has quite a lot of mistakes in Inter Milan this season, finally aged.
    b.  Barzagli: Not experienced enough. Also, Palermo goals conceded is horrible...

4. For players chosen, quite a few players from Eredivisie and Serie A played last night.
    a.  Eredivisie and Serie A hold different coefficient,
         it means Serie A is more competitive than Eredivisie.
        You can see that V. Bronkhorst is still speedy, Engelaar is still full of strength...
        To balance, young Italian players should be used.
    b.  Ajax and PSV were the only Dutch ECL teams and they've been KO early.
         However AS Roma, Milan's players needed to play more games.
         Milan even needed to play FIFA Club World Cup, fatal Cup.
    C.  Re-born players have not been used, such as Del Piero, Cassano, etc.


Several small and tiny points would lead to a fatal big points...
I think Donadoni should bear some responsibilities.....
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 11:53 AM

Extracts from other points of views.
岩岩起其他壇講番第一球究竟有冇越位,引用番球例

A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:
he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
he is level with the second last opponent or
he is level with the last two opponents

《Laws of the Game 2007/2008》


其他相關規則:

If a defending player steps behind his own goal line in order to place an opponent in an offside position, the referee shall allow play to continue and caution the defender for deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission when the ball is next out of play.

A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position.

Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.



ne球意大利有個球員之前比保方撞左出去, 因為唔係經球證許可出場,所以仍當參與防守~
所以ne球雲佬只要唔越過保方就唔當越位~

不過06/07 球季意甲有場出現同樣情況就誤判左就越位~
以上係大陸一個前國際裁判陸俊起一個足球節目上面講ge ~




[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 11:58 AM ]
作者: harry_cfc    時間: 2008-6-10 12:19 PM

荷蘭攻勢, 簡直係水銀瀉地一樣!
勁勁勁!
作者: 自由神    時間: 2008-6-10 12:53 PM

原來越位可以咁解嫁？
突然諗到好多屈機既FREEKICK戰術
咁有時旁證咪要走出球場先睇到邊個近底線多d？
過癮、過癮！
作者: michaelchou    時間: 2008-6-10 01:08 PM

曼聯門神雲達沙發揮昂揚鬥志
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 01:09 PM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 12:53:
原來越位可以咁解嫁？
突然諗到好多屈機既FREEKICK戰術
咁有時旁證咪要走出球場先睇到邊個近底線多d？
過癮、過癮！
唔係咁解咁係點解？
球例唔通有兩種解法？
作者: 自由神    時間: 2008-6-10 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Edgar_Davids at 2008-6-10 01:09 PM:


唔係咁解咁係點解？
球例唔通有兩種解法？
無，咁解實在太過癮
作者: a5areal    時間: 2008-6-10 01:13 PM

原來冇球証許可出左場都計包Offside
防守球員真係難做勒
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 01:25 PM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 10-6-2008 13:13:

無，咁解實在太過癮
越位呢個東西根本存在灰色地帶架啦...


如果你話雲佬越位,
咁以後個個守方頂完角球都跳左出場扮傷架啦,
實吹攻方越位無死架喎...

如果你話雲佬無越位,
咁攻方因為守方意外受傷而入波又勝之不武喎...
作者: saviola    時間: 2008-6-10 02:28 PM

太可惜了....因為要返工....無睇到依場波呀......><
希望黎緊果 d波都可以精彩 d啦....
作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-10 03:23 PM

Italian Refereeing Chief: Van Nistelrooy Goal Legitimate

The president of the Italian referee association (AIA), Cesare Gussoni, believes that Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s opener was legitimate despite a massive claim for offside.

The Real Madrid striker pounced on a razor sharp cross from Sneijder to tap in from close range.

Replay’s can clearly show the player in an offside position but Italy defender Christian Panucci was deemed by the linesman to have played Van Nistelrooy onside even though the stopper was off the pitch and down on the touchline with what seemed like an injury.  

Nevertheless, the goal stood and Gussoni believes it was legitimate despite the whole of Italy going berzerk when it was allowed to stand.  

“The linesman applied UEFA’s ruling 100 per cent,” said Gussoni.  

“He evaluated Panucci’s position as the player who kept Van Nistelrooy onside.  

“I thought it was offside but the replay showed Panucci off the pitch.”  

The rules specify on whether or not a player leaves the field voluntarily or involuntarily in an attempt to play the striker offside.

But, in Panucci’s case, it is impossible to tell whether he left the pitch voluntarily or vice-versa.  

“The sense of the rule is to avoid players leaving the pitch on purpose in an attempt to gain an advantage from playing the other player offside,” said Gussoni.  

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=729918


alot of people still think otherwise though.
作者: goodtime    時間: 2008-6-10 04:21 PM

唔需要再討論第一球係咪offside
唔計呢一個, 我都相信荷蘭會技術性擊到意大利

有冇巴打可以介紹
Engelaar係乜水, 點解可以踢到咁勁..
作者: 左輪仔    時間: 2008-6-10 04:41 PM

鄧納東尼排錯陣,搞到意大利輸咁多...
作者: 費事高    時間: 2008-6-10 05:09 PM

Originally posted by 自由神 at 2008-6-10 10:48 AM:
睇大家點睇啦
大家可能而家好睇好...
如困無第一球既越位,我諗意大利就唔會出現第二及第三個亂晒大籠既入球,就算分勝負,都只會係1球定生死,或打和完場
作者: 3d16yeah    時間: 2008-6-10 05:29 PM

Originally posted by 費事高 at 2008-6-10 05:09 PM:


如困無第一球既越位,我諗意大利就唔會出現第二及第三個亂晒大籠既入球,就算分勝負,都只會係1球定生死,或打和完場
輸波地就硬..
不如快D諗下點改善下你地前中後三線好過啦
尋日既意大利根本就唔係真正既意大利

荷蘭的確打得好
作者: jonesk    時間: 2008-6-10 07:03 PM

對意大利最失望唔係輸波
而係冇波入
連埋門都唔多...
東尼入拜仁溫室太耐喇
睇下老鬼迪比阿路,一出黎好佢幾多
作者: 0000001    時間: 2008-6-10 07:13 PM

Originally posted by 奇 at 2008-6-10 04:54 AM:
荷蘭進攻一向有計,不過意大利第一球唔抵,明明越位...
he said no offside...
新浪體育訊　意大利0-3輸給荷蘭，血淋淋的比分背後，卻有著諸多隱情。比賽中的第一個丟球，來自一個容易引起爭議的判罰(視頻)，但從專業的角度來看，這個進球的確是沒有疑問的。

　　讓我們回放一下當時的場景：荷蘭隊開出角球，布馮將皮球擊出的同時，也把隊友帕努奇撞在了底線之外，荷蘭隊拿到第二點後回敲，斯內德禁區前遠射，范尼在門前輕輕一碰，皮球變向入網。這一過程發生在電光火石之間，其間帕努奇一直躺在底線外沒有起來，而在斯內德遠射瞬間，范尼的面前只有布馮一名防守隊員，這一球是否越位？意大利很多球員向來自瑞典的主裁判弗洛菲爾特提出了疑問。

　　這個球是否越位？歐洲盃裁判執委會的回答是「百分之百沒有越位」，發言人卡普爾表示：「按照規則，當進攻方面對的對方最後兩名防守隊員其中之一離開場地的情況下，不算越位。」實際上這是有案例可循的，上賽季切爾西3-2戰勝維岡競技的比賽中，博拉魯斯在爭頂中摔出底線，對方遠射，門前處於面對切爾西最後一名防守隊員(切赫)位置上的球員折射破門，當時那粒進球就算為有效，切爾西方面也沒有太大的爭議。

　　但毫無疑問，這個看似有些問題的丟球，影響了意大利隊員的心情，球員們沒有及時調整過來，於是很快出現了第二個丟球。

　　隱情還有第二個，那就是賽場上的大屏幕，賽後，隨隊的足協官員阿爾貝蒂尼指出了這一點。按照規則，賽場大屏幕不許播放本場比賽的鏡頭，但在意大利丟球後，大屏幕開始連續播放這一進球的過程，或許清楚的看到了進球的過程，加重了球員們對此球的質疑，從而影響到了意大利隊員的比賽心情。

　　阿爾貝蒂尼說：「在第一個丟球上，激怒球員們的是看到了體育場的大屏幕上對此球的回放，這增加了球員的競爭情緒，可能也影響到了裁判。托尼因為指著屏幕向裁判解釋而吃到了黃牌，我們不知道這是否會在後面的比賽中對我們有潛在的影響。」

　　對於本場的比分，阿爾貝蒂尼說：「我們的表現的確配不上贏得這場比賽，但場面也沒有像最後的比分那麼誇張。」

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http://www.needagoal.com/phpbb3/ ... mp;p=318144#p318144
作者: slwong3    時間: 2008-6-10 07:40 PM

Originally posted by goodtime at 2008-6-10 04:21 PM:
唔需要再討論第一球係咪offside
唔計呢一個, 我都相信荷蘭會技術性擊到意大利

有冇巴打可以介紹
Engelaar係乜水, 點解可以踢到咁勁..
......who is Engelaar.....
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 07:47 PM

Originally posted by slwong3 at 10-6-2008 19:40:

......who is Engelaar.....
Have you watched the match last night
He played quite well and commentators talked about his name quite a few of time...
Besides Kuyt and Sneijder, I think he was the best player last night...
作者: Edgar_Davids    時間: 2008-6-10 08:02 PM

Originally posted by goodtime at 10-6-2008 16:21:
唔需要再討論第一球係咪offside
唔計呢一個, 我都相信荷蘭會技術性擊到意大利

有冇巴打可以介紹
Engelaar係乜水, 點解可以踢到咁勁..
Orlando Engelaar, 28 years old, player and captain of Twente.
2006 left Genk to Twente due to his impressive performance in Belgium...
In 07-08 season, Twente was the first runner-up and even KO Ajax for a ECL Qualifier position...
No doubts that Twente did that simply because of him...

He is 196cm tall, that makes him one of the tallest players in the Eredivisie. Previously he was a center-forward, but being found that his aerial and passing abilities, he then being moved to attacking midfield and left wing, sometimes even defending midfield like last night. In spite of his size, he is very attack-minded.


In a nutshell, he has advantages below:
1. Height & Size
2. Passing abilities
3. Attack-Minded

作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-10 08:21 PM

My point of view:
NO OFFSIDE.

The critical parts are:
Did Panucci fell due to foul? NO
Did he get injury that referee "called" him to leave the field? NO

Panucci didn't get any intention to leave the field to prevent offside situation. That's why he didn't get yellow card in this case.

There would be Offside ages ago in this situation. But people may never notice it the rules have been changed.

Some critical decisions that can help us to know the rules more and let the players "wake up".

During in these 4 years, there'd be 3 critical incidents that every player will remember it and do want to break it again.

1) Tim Cahill was taking off 1/2 way of his jersey and got booked, as he got his 2nd yellow card of that game, he got sent off (yellow for unsporting behaviour)
2) Javier Mascherano got his yellow card as he was keep talking to referee and questioning the decision of referee during first half vs Man Utd. As he got his 2nd yellow card in that incident, he should be sending off (yellow card for dissent word/action)
3) The goal was allowed by the European Cup, The Netherlands vs Italy, when Panucci was out of field and he'd be letting Van Nistelrooy onside in this situation.

I am asking some senior referees in my referee ass. and some of them are giving me same answer.. they think there'd be a great decision from Assistant Referee!
作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-10 08:37 PM     標題: Official answer, from UEFA, 10/6/2008

BASEL, June 10 (Reuters) - Netherlands' controversial first goal in Monday's 3-0 Group C victory over world champions Italy at Euro 2008 was correctly awarded despite many observers believing it was offside, organisers UEFA said on Tuesday.

UEFA general secretary David Taylor told a news conference the officials correctly interpreted Law 11 which relates to offside when Ruud van Nistelrooy scored after 26 minutes.

He stated that Christian Panucci played him onside although the Italian defender was off the pitch at the time.

'The goal was correctly awarded. Not many people, even in the game, and I include the players, know this interpretation (of Law 11),' Taylor said.

He conceded, however: 'The Law itself does not deal with this situation directly at all,' but said that referees universally interpreted it in the way that the officials did on Monday night.

He said he had every sympathy with the wider footballing public for believing the officials called it wrong but said that Swedish referee Peter Frojdfeldt and his assistant Stefan Wittberg were absolutely correct in their interpretation.

Taylor told reporters: 'Even though the Italian defender (Christian Panucci) was off the field because of his momentum, he is still deemed to be part of the game and is therefore taken into considersation as one of the last two defending players.

'As a result Ruud Van Nistelrooy was not nearer the opponents' goalline than the second last defender and therefore could not be in an offside position.'

'This is a widely known interpretation of the offside law among referees but is not generally known by the wider footballing public and indeed many people in football,' he said.

'That is understandable because incidents like this are very unusual.

'However, there was a similar incident in a Swiss League match about a month ago between Sion and FC Basel and after a TV commentator initially suggested the referee had made a mistake, he later apologised publicly and congratulations to him.'

The goal caused confusion among both the Italian and Dutch players too, a number of whom looked astonished when the goal was awarded.

It also provoked some angry reaction among the Italian fans when it was replayed on the giant screens inside the Stade de Suisse stadium and led to Luca Toni being booked for dissent for protesting.

Taylor said his yellow card would stand and that goals would still be replayed on the screens throughout the tournament.

The International Football Association Board, the guardian of the game's laws, had the prerogative to examine the law if they thought the wording needed to be clarified or a loophole existed, Taylor said.
作者: donald15    時間: 2008-6-11 12:04 AM

如果咁樣唔越位
遲d攻方走去龍門後面唔越位之後大腳ban過去出番黎接波咪單刀都得
作者: Kian76    時間: 2008-6-11 12:07 AM

樓主：昨晚嚴格黎講，主攻既係意大利，反擊的是荷蘭


個人意見：荷蘭真係打得好好，意大利條中場食晒屎，完全冇活力完全截唔倒波，唔明點解要出呢三個，今年米蘭己經証明左呢三條友冇活力既失敗，今場意大利踢主攻，出呢三件即係自殺。有條咁既中場，往往荷蘭一打反擊時就係直接攻擊意大利對中堅，但問題係個球場咁大，你叫對中堅點守？兩件慢到hihi既中堅緊逼對方攻擊球員又跟唔倒，包位又太空包左等於隱型.....

總之昨晚意大利最大敗筆係條中場，一切都由中場起，派路表面上踢得幾好，但佢其實係意大利條中場防守上既最大漏洞，三人中場線根本就唔應該用派路........

No bad words please!!!!




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作者: woooot    時間: 2008-6-11 12:18 AM

yup, that would be something new learnt , in addition to the spectacular performance by the Dutch team
作者: bunce2806    時間: 2008-6-11 02:51 PM

Great game. Although I'm a fan of Capello, it's nice to see that his way (based on the traditional Italian defensive style although he has added his own innovations) isn't the only way you can win at the highest level
作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-11 09:18 PM

This is the answer from my referee coach for this incident:

"UEFA confirmed that the player's (Christian Panucci)momentum carried him off the field and therefore remains part of the game. He could've returned to the field immediately and involved himself in active play, without penalty, for exactly the same reasons.

If he was injured in all of this then his status wouldn't have changed until the next phase of play.

He certainly could be treated off the field, while all this is going, but couldn't re-enter until given permission by the referee.

With regards to the injured player theory, if he was still on the field and not seriously injured, then play wouldn't be stopped so the same logic would be applied with him being off the FOP."
作者: amigofans    時間: 2008-6-11 09:35 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2008-6-11 09:18 PM:
This is the answer from my referee ...
無錯各方面已經解釋得好清楚, 呢球唔係offside...

但當晚果位球證傍證真係咁心水清?
各方各界攪左兩日既答案, 佢地心水清到電光火石間可以明察秋毫?

成件事根本就係, 好彩彭路基on居居攤左係底線,
救左d裁判一命, 因為佢地根本係睇唔到雲佬offside...

呢d咁既波, 一年吹錯一百幾十次啦..
只不過累到意大利輸波, 當然成為焦點啦...
作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-11 09:38 PM

I can tell you, the referee/linesman from that level, they know they make a great call for this situation.
No doubt about it.
Fingers cross
作者: zxc3201163    時間: 2008-6-11 09:50 PM

Originally posted by filter-052fans at 2008-6-11 09:35 PM:


無錯各方面已經解釋得好清楚, 呢...
咁果日阿仙!ge賓特拿果球又點???
我唔係好明依條例
作者: brightlee    時間: 2008-6-11 10:03 PM

Originally posted by zxc3201163 at 2008-6-11 23:50:


咁果日阿仙!ge賓特拿果球又點???
我唔係好明依條例
There was offside....
that situation is more clear...
For that case
you can goto Fifa.com.... goto Laws of the Game...
hand on.. I find the direct link to you....

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html

Click the box of: Interactive Guide to Offside Law 11>>

There should have "video" to help you in this case.

I read that last night

作者: Kian76    時間: 2008-6-11 10:50 PM

Originally posted by filter-052fans at 2008-6-11 09:35 PM:


無錯各方面已經解釋得好清楚, 呢...
其實最慘既係可能落起踢波既呢二十二名球員都根本唔識呢條例，而且一直踢開既波都係照吹越位，而家無神神話有呢條例都幾無奈.........

呢條係例，但點解咁多年以來一直都冇乜用過？？但發生錯判越位的情況以及傳出傳言出左界外唔計越位這些情況就經常發生=.=
作者: amigofans    時間: 2008-6-12 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Kian76 at 2008-6-11 10:50 PM:


其實最慘既係可能落起踢波既呢二...
不過輸3蛋最大既問題唔係球offside, 係意大利自己...

好彩我唔係fans, 而且一早明白意大利高峰過後一定如此...
試問攞完世界杯歐國杯會打得好又有幾多隊?

加埋意大利歐國杯不嬲麻麻, 鄧納東尼, 死亡之組, 青黃未接等等..
根本無一秒睇好過意大利...

即本睇下聽晚, 佢地同法國邊隊88先...
作者: Kian76    時間: 2008-6-12 05:33 PM

Originally posted by filter-052fans at 2008-6-12 11:14 AM:


不過輸3蛋最大既問題唔係球offsid...
真係sad到爆，我當晚睇到啞左.........


我又要犯眾憎喇，我睇倒既係派路金玉其外，敗粹其中，表面上係球隊攻勢泉源，但就係因為佢在陣，3：0呢個結果先會出現，詳細唔講太多喇。

三人中場線，有乜可能用派路？？？真係想講粗口。
作者: Rated-R    時間: 2008-6-12 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Edgar_Davids at 2008-6-10 11:53:
Extracts from other points of views.






[ Last edited by Edgar_Davids on 2008-6-10 at 11:58 AM ]
但進攻時攻方球員走出界外又當佢不是球賽一分子?
(亨利常用此計~成日左路出完波去offside位置球員就走出界等隊友攻門,若果入球,是有效的入球,印象中都睇過呢條公式5-6次,而且冇一次被判offside)
作者: donald15    時間: 2008-6-12 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Rated-R at 2008-6-12 09:03 PM:

但進攻時攻方球員走出界外又當佢不...
企出界就真係唔知當唔當
企係最後一個守方球員既後面就一定無越位
作者: Kian76    時間: 2008-6-13 02:37 AM

Originally posted by Rated-R at 2008-6-12 09:03 PM:

但進攻時攻方球員走出界外又當佢不...
冇所謂啦，呢d球例，總會在需當的時候被搬出黎，適當的時候又會消失。



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