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作者: timho    時間: 2005-3-9 05:48 AM     標題: 曼聯輸波!!!!!

抵死!
雖然我冇睇到!
但我覺得老費個人太固執......唔多鍾意佢!
佢o地真係抵死o架喎! 之前有候活唔用死要用卡老以......條友仔根本唔夠班!
老候係有犯過錯.....佢佢基本上係一個好有水準既龍門!
所以.....曼聯係抵死!!!
車仔贏.....曼聯輸!
勁開心! 唔駛睏喇今晚!
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 05:49 AM

as my expect, 1-0.. haha....

I saw that goal, it wasn't the GK mistake.. the defensive errors.....

So many people were saying Rio is good... but this goal proved that Rio gets marking problems.
作者: timho    時間: 2005-3-9 05:52 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 05:49 AM:
as my expect, 1-0.. haha....

I saw that goal, it wasn't the GK mistake.. the defensive errors.....

So many people were saying Rio is good... but this goal proved that Rio gets marking problems.
里奧有幾好o者???!!!
蜀中冇大將之嘛!
o個時leeds買佢....個領隊都話佢唔係top o格......
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 05:54 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 05:49 AM:
as my expect, 1-0.. haha....

I saw that goal, it wasn't the GK mistake.. the defensive errors.....

So many people were saying Rio is good... but this goal proved that Rio gets marking problems.
根本唔係rio mark crespo 既..
rio 打sweeper架 呢場波... 佢只係包波唔係mark人..
crespo個救斜線走入黎... 唔係話包就包..
加上係死角波... 其實佢以經封左大半個籠啦..
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 05:57 AM

this is the problem.... he's not a good sweeper........
a good sweeper to take care all the rest of defensive problems.....

to timho:
里奧有幾好o者???!!!
蜀中冇大將之嘛!
o個時leeds買佢....個領隊都話佢唔係top o格......

He's not that bad.... but he's not as great as advertise.....
What you may say, it's too emotions......
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 06:02 AM

to Van Nistelrooy,
I know you may feel frustrated...
but don't be that emotional... please.....
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 06:17 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 05:57 AM:
this is the problem.... he's not a good sweeper........
a good sweeper to take care all the rest of defensive problems.....

to timho:
里奧有幾好o者???!!!
蜀中冇大將之嘛!
o個時leeds買佢....個 ...
there are too many problems... among man utd's defending line..
if rio is not capable ... who is?
stam ? terry ? see who are their partners ... how much they cost..

[ Last edited by Kev on 2005-3-9 at 06:21 AM ]
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 06:21 AM

yes if you see that goal, it's realy strange.. 2 AC attacking players vs 4 Man Utd defensive players.

The major problem in my mind is... that's a cross!!!

normally in English side, they should have a lot of this kind of situation... but how come 4 Man Utd defenders couldn't mark the ball/players?!
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 06:27 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 06:21 AM:
yes if you see that goal, it's realy strange.. 2 AC attacking players vs 4 Man Utd defensive players.

The major problem in my mind is... that's a cross!!!

normally in English side, they shou ...
giggs was subsituted.. it was him who mark cafu ..
heinze suddenly faced both kaka and cafu at the same time..
this made the assist..
on the other side.. man utd was just adjusting their defening line since fortune has came.. he came to be a defending mid..
nonetheless i think crespo should be marked by roy keane.. as brown went front and silverstre was on the left.. thats why the camera kept focus on keane after the goal but instead of rio...
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Kev at 2005-3-9 08:17:


there are too many problems... among man utd's defending line..
if rio is not capable ... who is?
stam ? terry ? see who are their partners ... how much they cost..

[ Last edited by Kev  ...
I watch Man Utd many years.
I think there's 2 problems in Man Utd nowadays

1) Sir Alex is always changing his lineup in games, so players couldn't manage who is playing in which positions as their partners (it's comepletely different even though you have a lot of trainings and reverse games..)

2) The referees are too kinds to Man Utd players. i.e. when they play in European level, they are too... aggressive.. and making them in troubles.....
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 06:45 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 06:36 AM:


I watch Man Utd many years.
I think there's 2 problems in Man Utd nowadays

1) Sir Alex is always changing his lineup in games, so players couldn't manage who is playing in which positions  ...
haha are u arsenal fans?? nice to meet you..
i am a man utd fans for 7 years i think..
i love man utd because i love beckham..
i just think he is so important.. there should have plenty of ppl disagreeing with me.. wtever..
Sir Alex.. if man utd is not a club with restricted-policy.. he may gets more money to spend on players.. however.. i think that wenger is a great manager on buying players .. but NOT selling..

one more thing.. if gary was here today.. replacing brown's position.. the whole thing would be totally different..

[ Last edited by Kev on 2005-3-9 at 06:47 AM ]
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 06:54 AM

kev,
I will not say I am Arsenal fans, but I could say I love Arsenal nowadays.

I was fans in Man Utd .. since 1985.. until 2001

Lucky I am growing up nowadays and I could see soccer a little bit wider than when I was young.

That's why maybe I know more than you .. about Man Utd situation...

I saw how bad for Man Utd in mid 80s.
How Sir Alex didn't get fire (as he won the FA cup vs Crystal Palace in 1990)
Yes, I saw Schmehical, Cantona, Ince, Sharpe, Giggs .. then Nevilles, Scholes, Becks.. etc etc...

But today, after Man Utd won the treble, they are not the same team as they were, their team spirits are having problems, I don't know you can see it or not....

Sir Alex gets too much power... that's why.. the team is sliding downwards nowadays.....

except O'Shea, (I really love him) how many players are trained from teens?!

Maybe a new manager could save Man Utd
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 06:58 AM

I forget to say,
Wes Brown should be better on Right back, than Gary Neville.......

Why?
Maybe Wes Brown doesn't cross so many balls as Gary does...
but he makes less mistakes to give onside to other teams on defensive side....

and Gary is getting old now, someone should be replacing him
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 07:03 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 06:54 AM:
kev,
I will not say I am Arsenal fans, but I could say I love Arsenal nowadays.

I was fans in Man Utd .. since 1985.. until 2001

Lucky I am growing up nowadays and I could see soccer a litt ...
yes... actually.. you are right..i am 17.. i didnt even see a cantona's match.. since i just put an eye on football when i was 10..

i agree with your pt abt "spirit"...
remember andy cole + yorke , sherringham+solskjaer ..
the mid was great , top fit ryan giggs + keana + scholes + beckham..
ronny johnson , nevilles , stam , irwin..
this was the tribles line up..

just take today's match and the final on 1998..
both 0-1 behind..
i couldnt see any spirit or even a hope to win in today's match.. players were just walking.. including keane and scholes.. if giggs was here.. i think it would be better..
coparing with 1998's .. all the players were running forward.. hoping for a goal..
bayern and juventus match were memorable... the goals were superb!

dont know why.. i just feel brown's feet were shaking during the matches.. he gave pressure on milian today by attacking often.. but he never made a gd pass

[ Last edited by Kev on 2005-3-9 at 07:06 AM ]
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 07:10 AM

simple, Sir Alex always put players to play in different position.....

how many times Wes Brown are playing Right back in this 3 years?!

how could he give a good cross in this situation, espeically for a big game?

It's similar situaiton as Arsene put Toure in right back when they were vs Sheffield Utd in FA Cup
作者: nelly    時間: 2005-3-9 07:12 AM

I saw the goal by Crespo. I agreed that the subsitution og Giggs is really the turning point!!
I think the goal is just becos of Cafu's Cross and Crespo's Head!!! Come on that is WORLD CLASS is not it??
AC milan and Man U are both world class team, the score reflect the performace not jsut the quality of the players!! Both team defend very well...Milan took Caroll's error in 1st leg and tookthe chance when Man U player didn't settle down after the subsitution in 2 nd leg.
By the way, I do agree Brown is better than Neville, as he got more interactions with Ronaldo( saw quite a few times ). But I would keep partnered with Rio rather than Silvestre. Gary Neville is still a good defender but Silvestre is too unstable and cost too much mistakes some times!!!
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 07:12 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 07:10 AM:
simple, Sir Alex always put players to play in different position.....

how many times Wes Brown are playing Right back in this 3 years?!

how could he give a good cross in this situation, esp ...
i would like to have keane as man utd's manager
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 07:18 AM

I would not let Gary Neville to be Central Defender... NO one will want to see it.
As i say in the pervious posts, it's too danger to let Gary Neville to be center back

1) He's always making other team onside by his mistakes
2) He is too thin to play center back, although he was playing center back as in teens.... how can he play with Ronaldo? even Morintes, Viduka, etc....

This decision could kill Man Utd straightly
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 07:19 AM

Originally posted by Kev at 2005-3-9 09:12:


i would like to have keane as man utd's manager
I think Man Utd should find somone with international level to in charge this team...

Martin O'Neill could be one of the choices.

Roy Keane could be a good manager, but he needs to spend 3 or 4 years to learn management system...

Look at Steve Bruce, he's good in Birmingham right now?!

but do you know he got so many tough time in his first 4 years as he was the manager...?!
seems no one knows it.
作者: Kev    時間: 2005-3-9 07:29 AM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-9 07:19 AM:


I think Man Utd should find somone with international level to in charge this team...

Martin O'Neill could be one of the choices.

Roy Keane could be a good manager, but he needs to spend ...
i like some italian and spanish manager..
作者: WRX8    時間: 2005-3-9 09:30 AM

there is only 1 problem in Man Utd team....Brown is not good enough to play in first team...NOT AT ALL!
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 10:48 AM

Cool down........

To be honest, that's goal, it's not Brown's fault.
You couldn't blame him......

I know when you dislike some players, like me, I don't like Alumini, Tarore, and Cygan...
normally when they lost it, I would blame them... (if that's him involving losing goal.). but did Brown do it to lost that goal?! I don't think so.
作者: Pharaoh    時間: 2005-3-9 01:10 PM

Cafu's cross is just too great and Heinze failed to stop him!
Rio is of course important in MU's defence line, he is a good sweeper! But if u are talking about as a centre back... i have a little bit doubt~
Silvestre is crap last night! He kept fail to control the ball and nearly let Kaka to score!
Actucally, i dun believe MU has any chance to win at all!
Maldini + Stam + Nesta + Cafu! U can't find a better combination for the back 4 on this planet! Besides, van the man is still 'severely lacking in match fitness'
Giggs is unlucky to hit the post and C.Ronaldo kept wasting chances as usually~
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 01:14 PM

yes, this defensive line (AC) is a little bit too old, (all of 4 are over 28+).. but it's one of the toughest defesive lines..........
作者: timho    時間: 2005-3-9 05:12 PM

我冇睇場波...但曼聯點都係輸o架啦!
佢唔輸o個球佢一樣入唔到人波....最後都係出局!
係曼聯班波既問題!
我以前好鍾意曼聯!直至老舒都走埋之後就越來越唔鍾意.......
以前好多時覺得佢o地死好命唔輸.....唔講佢係唔係死好命先....我最唔鍾意睇係老費o個種頑固....三冠皇之後....佢好鍾意排四五一.......你甘排....有用就話o者......根本一場又一場證明係唔得既....佢都死要排四五一....死要證明佢排乜都掂甘.....大佬!佢試過放老舒一個個單箭頭都夠膽死!!!
之後見佢又唔受屎痰, 又唔受碧咸....
睇多兩睇老費張咀面......仆街啦叫佢!!
仲有就係佢成q日買o的人返番唔用既! 沙夏唔掂咩??佢唔差得過朗尼囉.......

[ Last edited by timho on 2005-3-9 at 05:14 PM ]
作者: shaqkobe    時間: 2005-3-9 05:15 PM

Originally posted by timho at 2005-3-9 05:12 PM:
我冇睇場波...但曼聯點都係輸o架啦!
佢唔輸o個球佢一樣入唔到人波....最後都係出局!
係曼聯班波既問題!
我以前好鍾意曼聯!直至老舒都走埋之後就越來越唔鍾意.......
以前好多時覺得佢o地死好命唔輸.....唔講 ...
的確我認為曼聯今屆咁差同費格遜真係好有關係。佢買人都完全無眼光既，成人買人返黎又唔岩洗，轉個頭又賣返出去，好心佢就跟雲加學野啦。
作者: 奇    時間: 2005-3-9 09:37 PM

我都係曼聯fans....不過費sir真係唔多識用人
佢地往往留係曼聯無咩表現/唔受重用,但走後卻表現突出...如科蘭,華朗,史譚...
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 09:49 PM

that's why I feel it's time Sir Alex should be retiring in Man Utd....

if you see more clearly, as I post it before, there's something wrong in Man Utd.

Not much team spirit, aguring with former players, it's shown that maybe something wrong that we couldn't see in public.....

It's not healty for any sports to be liking this

Look at Portland Trailblazers?
I am not saying about in early 90s, about my favourite team with Clyde Drexler

I am trying to say about what's happen since Pippen went to Blazers. (i.e. starting with 98-99)
head coaches/management teams couldn't control their players, see, in early 90s, many people were proud of Blazers fans (yes, that's truth, you can check out the history) and the players were leading in good example in their life

What's your thinking in your mind about Blazers players? Jailblazers!

and you could see the team is sliding down....

Paul Allen gets a lot of money, Maurice Cheeks is a really good coach... but what's going on for Blazers, you could see it now!
作者: allin    時間: 2005-3-9 11:31 PM

佢ｂｕｙ～ｄ～人唔係唔掂～但係個個人ｇｅ適應性都唔同~
科蘭~華朗佢地踢mu都有好過ge幾場波
but~only~o係歐聯
英超體力化~
你buy~d人都唔知佢地o岩唔o岩踢~唔係踢winning~
唔好唔記得車仔都buy左基士文呢個勁人~但係佢又踢唔踢得出水準lei~
沙夏係咪勁過朗尼~我就唔係好認同
今年saha~明顯傷得多~尋日news~又話佢操練傷左~
咁成日傷~都冇態~尋晚係唔出雲佬唔得~要作客入波~梗要有個人去撞~
i~think~費sir眼光唔係差左
just~look~at~洛賓&朗拿甸奴~當你係世上最富有球會~個個sell人俾你都想sell~高價~
但上面又唔俾$$$~咁點buy呢
車仔唔係冇buy~錯人ah~基斯普~果個新wai拉~基士文~甚王杜奧巴都唔係踢得好好
又睇下阿仙奴ge雷恩斯~佢一踏入冬季就跌曬watt~
阿仙奴踢黎踢去都係果幾個人~一唔用d舊人~好似wai拉~亨利就即刻唔勁
你睇下尋晚mu踢ge人~好多都好新~o係世界球壇ge未來
但ac既球員係"現在"~舒夫~派路~加度素~尼斯達個個當打
曼豎仲係青黃不接~呢幾年都應該係浮浮沉沉€
但應該比阿仙奴好~因為佢地而家都仲未buy~入多幾個有份量ge~年青人
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 11:38 PM

ha?! don't be too bias for Man. Utd!!!

I know you are Man Utd fans..
but I think what you are trying to say, it's too bias.......

I am not trying to say arguing,
but as we talked in here for long time about Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc....

Every team has their low-spirit

"阿仙奴踢黎踢去都係果幾個人~一唔用d舊人~好似wai拉~亨利就即刻唔勁"

Did you see really what's happen in Arsenal?!
everyone knows the injury-plug for Gunners nowadays....
Did you see what's the league club team in Arsenal?!
they were all under 21.. except Cygan, or Edu in one game......
what do you expect if they could goto semi-final last year and last 16 in this year?! beat Man City and Everton

if you say
"你睇下尋晚mu踢ge人~好多都好新~o係世界球壇ge未來"
"但應該比阿仙奴好~因為佢地而家都仲未buy~入多幾個有份量ge~年青人"

you are saying 2 oppsites sentences in here... what are you thinking in reality?!

I am always saying thiat I am not trying to arguing with anyone....

yes, I just want you to look what you are talking in your mind reality...

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作者: 樂壇渣Fit人    時間: 2005-3-9 11:39 PM

Originally posted by allin at 2005-3-9 23:31:
.....曼豎仲係青黃不接~呢幾年都應該係浮浮沉沉€
但應該比阿仙奴好~因為佢地而家都仲未buy~入多幾個有份量ge~年青人
唔係好明
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-9 11:45 PM

I got totally lost... =p
*headaches*
作者: qazqazwsxwsx    時間: 2005-3-10 12:03 AM

我覺得費sir唔社應該用 云佬
佢完全不在狀態
射門都信心,傷前d窩利好有信心
但係好明顯依一場唔得

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作者: Pharaoh    時間: 2005-3-10 12:57 AM

Originally posted by allin at 2005-3-9 11:31 PM:
又睇下阿仙奴ge雷恩斯~佢一踏入冬季就跌曬watt~
阿仙奴踢黎踢去都係果幾個人~一唔用d舊人~好似wai拉~亨利就即刻唔勁
你睇下尋晚mu踢ge人~好多都好新~o係世界球壇ge未來
但ac既球員係"現在"~舒夫~派路~加度素~尼斯達個個當打
曼豎仲係青黃不接~呢幾年都應該係浮浮沉沉€
但應該比阿仙奴好~因為佢地而家都仲未buy~入多幾個有份量ge~年青人
o my god!
even u are a MU's fan, u should know at least some basic information about other clubs!!
OK... i just give u a few examples of the Arsenal's talents:

Fabregas (04 May 1987)
Flamini(07 March 1984)
Senderos(14 February 1985)

You know how old is Fabregas? You know how many games he played for Arsenal as a start up?
Fabregas & Flamini are always the partner of Vieira in the midfield & they are both under 20!!!
And Reyes, van Persie, Clichy, Hoyte etc are just over 20! And they are already regular first team members!!!
The youngest KEY player ---> Toure is just 23!!! How did your Rio the great perform when he was in 23? Compare with Toure!!!

I always try to be positive & friendly towards other teams' fans, but your comment is really stupid and making me furious!

Of course Rooney has a bright future but i doubt C.Ronaldo's, but how much did they cost? And what other 'young players' played a part in MU's game last night? Henize? can u classify him as 'young'? Plz dun tell me u are talking about Fortune! Well... may be u believe Brown can be a worldclass defender later as well!!

[ Last edited by Pharaoh on 2005-3-10 at 01:01 AM ]
作者: allin    時間: 2005-3-11 01:49 AM

冇錯~佢地係好後生~~~
但係~佢地係必然正選嗎???
我所指阿仙奴要有ge~年輕人係有份量~
雲格完全唔相信雲佩斯, 看看佢的上陣時間, 比老將杳金還要少呢
你講得出法比加斯, mu都有個比基, 羅斯 , 史柏達
比基同法比加斯一樣o係巴塞青年軍好出名~
Senderos呢幾場睇佢同法名尼雖然係雲加話的未來~但好明顯唔同級呢, 佢地都係 Vieira partner~as~u~said 但係邊個可以踢到施華ge作用
足球-阿森納再次無緣歐冠杯八強,主帥溫格面臨重塑球隊的艱巨任務<--yahoo今日都係咁講呢
Toure~佢勁係因為有蘇金寶~睇下佢首回合對拜仁拍住斯根~第一球點輸我諗你都記得
就係佢頂後俾比沙路~射入
佢一冇左蘇金寶就...
Fabregas if~佢而家係好~why~雲加又會用番edu
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-11 07:02 AM

I think you never manager a soocer team in your life,
your comment is "resaonable" in your mind.

If you think they are not that good........ think what will you if you were in management level, and what u will do if you have so many talents players in your team..

I give you one example, Michael Jordan!

Did he get around 30 pts in the first season? YES

The next question I am asking you: when did Chicago Bulls goto first NBA finals? his 7th season!
to build a team, it's not similar to play in Winning 8, only just look at stats and talents.

Same as in your life..... what you may think nowadays, you are ready in many things.
but do you think you are mature enough to handle a company?!
then you will get what I am trying to say.
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-11 09:22 AM

I was in hurry before, I should give you another example:
Tottenham Hotspur.
Do u think Kanoute + Robbie Keane+ J De Foe are the best strikers in the next generations? (I believe in him)
3 young international, but why they couldn't lead in League in goal scoring?
Do they have 2 English international at the back? (King) and (Paul Robinson)?

but why Tottenham could get in top 5 but in Middlesbrough/Newcastle, they get similar talents of players, they could challenging in top 5?
cos if you see Middlesbrough or Newcastle, you could see they got some OLD players to lead them, teach them to grow up... (Ray Palour, Hasselbank, Southgate in Boro, Alan Shearer, Given in  Newcastle)

if you have one team gets too young of ages, do you know it's really tough to let them grow up in the right way? tempetation? professional behaviours? etc etc..

Please tell me the oldest players in Tottenham Hotspur now!


Did you know why David Moyes don't allow Wayne Rooney to play international level when he was 17?!

it's because he see the weakness for Wayne Rooney... he's too emotions and too bad temper,

See, how's going when he's in Man UTD? he's getting a lot of mins. But what's about his temperment? going worst..... cos he gets too many things when he is young.

Do you know it's really hard to teach him nowadays to be the level he could be?!

find more stats for some veteran, find more information for some great players in your mind, you could see they were NOT playing a lot of mins when they were young

See Chelsea? Terry gets a lot of talents, but without the teaching from Desially, do you think he's that good todays?!

Oh man, think wider pls.......... it's not a PC games in life.. a soccer player is a person, not a PC machine, not your "stars", they need to be mature in their life too..... (in professional, in skills, in times....)
作者: brightlee    時間: 2005-3-11 10:15 AM

if you read in another post, they were aguring the does Roy Keane is worth for 90,000 pounds or not?
If you look at Man Utd, without team, do you think the team has spirit?!

You could see how's the combination with Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson... they are OK in stats and they are young, but where are they now?!

Do you know, in the first year, when Man Utd bought Roy Keane, (even he played 2+ seasons in division 1 with Notthingham Forest.) He need to spend sometimes, staying back between Bryant Bobson, yes, the WBA manager nowadays, and Paul Ince?! (they had Paul Ince, Robson, Keane and Neil Webb at the time...)



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