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作者: d228216 時間: 2005-6-27 08:12 PM 標題: [27/6吹水加分題]究景尖子定白子 ?

最近新聞特備節目經常出現所謂資優 , 尖子 , 之類的名詞.3 V. o1 V, d- \7 j- F  R
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佢地話所謂資優就係 IQ 達 150 或以上的人. 而尖子就係學術成績優異.
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根住又話証府會出大量資源去follow 敢話.0 B0 A! ^! P4 m4 r5 j# G% B+ V& O

細佬係好多年N前做過港大的一個 IQ TEST, 結果係 135, 所以唔係資優, 但係生活上比人叻小小, 比較容易揾2餐飯仔食吓.
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睇咗果個特備節目, 見到d所謂資優青年, 個樣都係 "得得地", 好似 high 咗野今, 講說話冇黎大體, 目空一切, 比着二、三十年前, 實比人捉入青山.(不過青山面可能真係好多 e d 人)+ |: D# w: H" \, S0 I$ _- {

其實我想同大家講既係一個道理:  有得必有失

現代社會人人的天資都係差唔多的, 平均相差小於一成, 点解? 食物問題: 真正營養不良的人只佔極小數.(非洲果d 唔計講緊現代社會), 所以 BB 仔出世時大致係一樣.' T: m0 q  q5 O1 C$ H3 w% Q9 ~9 t) \
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果 d 所謂資優/尖子, 其實大部份係殘障人士, (好似d 盲人今, 佢地d 聽覺呀臭覺呀特別勁, 唔通佢地又係資優?) 佢地 IQ 係高, 但係 EQ 呀, 品德呀, 就不得了今低........佢地大部份重有一個好大的問題, 就係人際關係.  佢地連老豆老母都睇唔起, 嚴格來講佢地連基本人性都冇!

而政府就花大資源去支援佢地, 但唔係用棃醫佢地既行為問題, 而係推高佢d IQ, 簡直係送佢地去死!

大家点睇?
有冇D 資優 , 尖子睇到? 可以現身說法?

[ Last edited by 月月鳥 on 2005-6-27 at 08:43 PM ]

作者: 月月鳥 時間: 2005-6-27 08:42 PM

資優,在正常人的角度即是自閉,
在我中學時也遇見不少," z: m# d& O+ g. m- s
佢地常日都發裨四,,
性格似d 4,5歲咁,) f3 M: T/ W+ m3 V& J
有次仲打老師,停課三日,
所以常常見社工.

我黑心講句,
佢地要政府花一大筆$$去「供」,
但自己有能力卻不願去做,
咁,死左去好過!!

作者: kuchi 時間: 2005-6-27 09:00 PM

Totally agree.....those children eye-sight is too narrow for the future
IQ high is useless if EQ is low....don't know how come goverment will spend so much time and concern on these children.
Always say go to school is useless and can't concentrate for study. Waste time to think and living in their own world.
In the reality, the main important is know how to catch the chance which find out by yourself.2 m1 b- C( v2 q1 b: X4 A
For example: Can we do the IQ test with high score and then no need to study?1 f( {: h5 W/ C9 G, s
               My major study is Economic and i have watch the movie Beautiful Mind.
               The main character John Nash, master of equalibrium, mental illness...butfinally got the nobel prize.....just think....how many ppls will be like this?....haha....
Concluded, no matter how high IQ are you, at least you needs to continue to study....at least....open eye-sight....our world is so big$ k  ^2 }$ s( T  e# x, v5 @/ j! F1 E
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Hope + a little score/ \1 r" y& y7 @
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THanks

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-6-27 10:05 PM

版主，政府可以點醫佢地呀？& q- {0 ]" R I' P7 ?4 s6 \
唔通叫佢地睇社工咩？& M1 E1 z1 d% K; l9 g5 A
叫又會睇啦

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好難教架wor

唯有希望佢地多d 參與課外活動
多ｄ同人相處，從中學習啦
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小弟係大學見過ｄ尖子
大部份真係好醒目，
係有ｄ（特別係大學讀science果d )好似低低地者

作者: d228216 時間: 2005-6-27 10:14 PM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-27 10:05 PM:
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政府 - 在未諗点樣幫佢地之前, 就想辨法谷佢地, 從他的身上渣出所為社會利益, 而有d無知既父母, 以為自已冇能力, 就推比政府, 重沾沾自喜同人講......佢地唔知推咗自已d仔女去死!

作者: wanmankit 時間: 2005-6-27 10:39 PM

D資優既人，我覺得政府唔應該去'供'佢地
佢地平時有少少自閉咁，係平常人眼中...# J0 w1 o0 j/ H6 d! [
供佢地不如醫下自閉，唔係既出到社會又有咩用呢?
我諗政府供佢地係想叫下佢地出去比下賽，威下咁囉~
尖子就唔同啦，佢地唔係自閉(某d都有)，只係比其他人努力，有心機讀書，供呢ｄ就可以出黎貢獻社會啦

作者: d228216 時間: 2005-6-27 10:54 PM

Originally posted by wanmankit at 2005-6-27 10:39 PM:
2 M2 P: w% r3 C( w# r# A MD資優既人，我覺得政府唔應該去'供'佢...

問題唔係佢地既貢獻, 係佢地有好大破壞力...例如:商業罪案

作者: RahXephon 時間: 2005-6-28 12:14 AM

無疑每個人天生的資質都有高下之分，但我相信該分別並唔會完全主宰一個人之後成功與否。一個人成功與否取決於佢的心理資素，取決於他對自己做的事的專注及毅力。尖子對知識或資訊的吸收無疑比一般人快，但學完之後懂不懂去運用完全是另一回的事。其次，我地係生活喺群體社會中，組織的成功往往比個人的成功來得重要得多，如何引發同伴的能力取決於溝通技巧及對同伴的理解，這些並不能在課堂中學到的。

奈何而家政府及傳媒往往標籤了這些所謂的尖子(或甚麼10優狀元云云)，很容易令佢地一朝得志，語無論次，反而忽略了謙遜求學的精神。在校園生活還可以，但一出來社會做事便會吃盡苦頭....../ |- z9 o; W, Q; O! W/ m- W
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我讚成政府在學術上可以分配多些資源去培育佢地，但要低調地進行，更不能忽略多方面的發展，這樣才可避免尖子變白子。

作者: hoho886 時間: 2005-6-28 01:00 AM

講真d人係資優IQ真係150 或以上的人,
但呢人都係有d特別既原因,所以係IQ3 r1 w$ s T* D
係勁高.同埋有d人可能真係身體上有d
問題,所以係第二方面係特別好,特別勁ga

不過呢d資優既人,朋友方面應該唔係太
好啦,因為佢IQ高過人,其他方面就唔得7 g" P2 x/ k8 y
可能係EQ係好差,IQ就好高,我就覺得唔1 E. O) l- Q3 L
係幾.咁而家一方面高一方面低,生活咁( K% h1 \* W" h6 T. b2 R
就好唔正常啦,最好就IQ EQ 都普通/幾好1 \6 u2 @1 D' ^6 c4 |. k! L# g
咁呢d係最好既

作者: Gretzky 時間: 2005-6-28 02:00 AM

Originally posted by RahXephon at 2005-6-28 12:14 AM:
1 y* F" q2 v" D我讚成政府在學術上可以分配多些資源去培育佢地，但要低調地進行，更不能忽略多方面的發展，這樣才可避免尖子變白子。

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That's well said.

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In my final year of high school there was this guy who's really a smart cookie. The result of the IQ test was about 140 and he was actually awarded a scholarship to Harvard. I had to admit I was pretty envious of this fellow. The guy took off to Boston with loads of scholarship $ in his truck.

Two years into my undgraduate study, we heard of him again. His face didn't appear in the newspaper or somthing like that. But he dropped out of Harvard. What happened was he got there, studied really hard but managed to get a B at Harvard only. He got depressed and started drinking and party a lot. Eventaully he used up his scholarship $ and was asked to leave. 10 years has passed and he never even finished university.

Like a lot of us have stated, EQ is equally important as IQ (in my mind EQ is even more important). Success in professional life does not depend on how smart you are (unless you want to be a specialist within secret services). Most major co-op these days hire not the smartest people, but the ones with all around knowledge. For example, medical school these days dont' just look at your MCAT and undergrad degree (in US school system, an undergrad is entrance requirement for medicine), some choose applicants w/ business background instead of pharmacy. Specialty is important and IQ does play a role in one's success, but being able to apply your specific knowledge by adaptation is the most important skill in the next 20 yrs in career development. (I won't give away too much of these....will share more sometime in a new post..stay tuned

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To those who has high IQs: don't congratualte youself too soon...stay humble and you will learn a lot more and see a lot more.

To those who has no so high IQs (including myself): good for you....the humility will make you more of a teachable student and will increase your motivation to learn....you can't boost up your IQs but you may catch things faster than those w/ high IQs. p$ [ [5 G' I$ o8 ^! E g2 j
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my 2 cents.

作者: homan~ 時間: 2005-6-28 10:36 AM

Originally posted by d228216 at 2005-6-27 10:54 PM: a5 Z2 e) F. j$ f, L# U0 S' E
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版主,

你咁講, 係人都有破壞力架啦~3 b4 `9 f; K; T/ M J/ v

不過幾認同你話既, 政府真係冇咩諗過點improve 佢地既soft skills,
只係著重train hard skills...................>o<

作者: d228216 時間: 2005-6-28 11:11 AM

Originally posted by homan~ at 2005-6-28 10:36 AM:) l4 x7 _- G# V9 w9 ?
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你咁講, 係人都有破壞力架啦~
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只係著重train hard skills...................>o<

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果d人 IQ 高 - 做d衰野特野勁, EQ 低 - 不顧一切, 变成狂人, d 破壞力特野勁!

作者: Dolly!Sit! 時間: 2005-6-28 11:11 PM

一個人係某方面特別勁,就會有某方面特別差既la = = y1 D# `* n. \

天才唔努力,只會成為蠢才 !!! <~ 我班主任講架 = - =

作者: Little Boy 時間: 2005-6-29 12:00 AM

我覺得用咁多錢去特別培育一班資優/IQ 高既人...好浪費...! s% F, Q( E8 m: X, y5 h2 P
要係呢個世界生存, 要對呢個社會有貢獻, 唔係淨係單靠 IQ 有幾高...7 l& W. {" J; V8 Z: Q
係我心中, 一個真正既叻人, 係應該唔會受到環境所局限.# o4 V; C7 _3 k4 M
世上眾多有名的科學家/音樂家/天才橫溢的人, 有幾多個係由政府或家庭悉心咁培育出來呢?( f: P) b0 c' }/ } {$ ~
要人為干預, 特別地提供一個環境來培育的資優, 又有幾優呢?
難道我們可以讓這些資優人仕一世都在這特別環境下成長? z. K* J- h: U, G# Y! O
這樣, 反而會令到那班"資優"既人難以回到現實環境中成長, 令他們感到窒息./ b6 Y% u2 l5 @* r, U+ v: K
我想, 這像是政府對那班人的一種另類歧視, 好心做壞事

作者: raymond302 時間: 2005-6-29 06:32 PM

I think the government is wasting money in the spending to 資優/尖子. That will make the problem more serious. He should spend money in teaching their manner, communication, 人際關係 ......... The most important thing is: EQ is much more important to IQ, if you really want to survive in this world.

作者: 丹山 時間: 2005-6-29 11:36 PM

其實點解呢個TOPIC講到資優同尖子好似好差咁0 a2 o' @, j5 f2 Q' ]: b
究竟佢地係咩一回事我唔多清楚
反而係我覺得無論IQ高又好尖D又好! G6 s; n+ f# _& F9 i
若果係一個正常既家庭生活底下
好難會無故做壞事帶有破壞性
而且佢地點解會睇唔起老豆老母- F3 h) j$ m6 z, _* z' f
又或者點解佢地會目空一切% L6 u0 Z9 r0 D- j
說話唔夠大體係因為佢地入世未深?
我覺得一個普通人只要經歷番咁上下都會識得"講野"* q9 ^! U' \( j5 p
仲有就係品德點解佢地會特別差既呢* h* L2 n1 e+ G' `/ H2 G) ~5 ^" R
其實可唔可以話佢地係溫室長大不知世途險惡. R/ s! _) P- r6 ^/ Q' b
受到父母過度保護既呢D人父母可能根本就無教佢地做人道理什至係唔識教4 U7 }" f6 [' x1 H
剩係想佢地讀好書令到佢地讀書好似唔係為左自己咁
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政府比資源落去係岩但係教佢地做人既人又岩唔岩呢?

作者: d228216 時間: 2005-6-30 12:00 AM

我認為你係講得最好的一個....以下是回應
>>其實點解呢個TOPIC講到資優同尖子好似好差咁
如果佢地大部份都冇問題, 相信唔會有依個 topic, 依個係事實, 的確佢地影响到我地d普通人.9 @6 m  B: \2 F% F; E* H/ G

>>若果係一個正常既家庭生活底下,好難會無故做壞事帶有破壞性/ e' u4 M8 k4 K( I5 j
很蕳單, 一個家庭有一個資優就变成不正常既家庭了, 除非佢老豆老母係資優, 或者受過超高等教育...博士等.....如果唔係根本冇能力去回應佢問果d問題....慢慢变成不正常家庭....$ P  K: N1 o6 ^

>>而且佢地點解會睇唔起老豆老母,又或者點解佢地會目空一切說話唔夠大體, 係因為佢地入世未深?7 F" V( P( ]9 j: A9 C
目空一切...所以未能入世....

>>總之就係呢個問題係唔係同佢地成長既環境有更大關係
就係同佢地成長既環境有關...- k  Q) Q) U4 U7 Y) u

>>政府比資源落去係岩但係教佢地做人既人又岩唔岩呢?# K# X0 D4 s4 z* m1 J
打錯字? 唔明?

作者: 丹山 時間: 2005-6-30 12:34 AM

而政府就花大資源去支援佢地, 但唔係用棃醫佢地既行為問題, 而係推高佢d IQ, 簡直係送佢地去死!' o8 X( s% `9 {( @* |$ ~, R
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睇番係啦政府係錯
其實發覺2 {- l9 A) i3 Z/ F" K8 a4 _
香港教育制度本來就係咁
填鴨
香港政府本來就係咁..6 j* p: T! q6 }" ~
沙紙在手無懼對手
咁佢地咁另叻就再抬高d
始終或者佢地最終都係人格有問題
但係或者會有d舉世無雙既人就係咁出現左
增加香港既聲譽咁上下' b0 m! \* S, P) |' x
就正如現今學校既教師對於學生行為上既問題不加改正 V e4 y& N# {' i) c
只係教好佢地既書其他野留番比社工呢個已經係一個錯誤4 R6 r" W( n2 n
所以GTO鬼塚英吉有咁大回響& w! R0 @% P7 `0 C2 \5 r
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明顯就係金玉其外敗絮其中

作者: 冷 時間: 2005-6-30 11:05 PM

細佬果日上左電視。

作者: rmzidane 時間: 2005-6-30 11:24 PM

in my point of view.............. IQ high not = good ga bor...........even though many of them are........

作者: d228216 時間: 2005-7-1 12:20 AM

Originally posted by 冷 at 2005-6-30 11:05 PM:/ G; R0 ]- S! k# P3 _
細佬果日上左電視。

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你就係果個資優青年, 係廳的一角玩電腦果個? 重有個妹??

作者: ronychan 時間: 2005-7-1 01:22 PM

水能載舟亦能覆舟政府咁做錯到極點

作者: 冷 時間: 2005-7-1 02:35 PM

Originally posted by d228216 at 2005-7-1 12:20 AM:
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係培正數學邀請賽會頒獎時台下可以見到我。ｘＤ

作者: sysykiller01 時間: 2005-7-1 09:39 PM

如果你係資優又點: n% j8 `+ V1 @' H7 Z1 E
你唔努力遲早都係一個普通人

作者: 冷 時間: 2005-7-2 09:49 AM

太傻明以前唔係一個問題。
因為以前既社會風氣唔同，
即使係資優通常都會比較謙虛求學。
我認為佢地既問題係而家d資優通常學既跟唔上佢地諗野既lv，. q# E6 ]# l7 q5 {; b+ o: B5 _4 V
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甚至出現偏激既清況。

作者: wahaha1234 時間: 2005-7-2 11:41 AM

Originally posted by d228216 at 2005-6-27 08:12 PM:
, g% r- w0 p1 {! \. e最近新聞特備節目經常出現所謂資優 ...

我都係咁話..
而家你點醒都死..出ｏ黎做野ｄ人見你個樣古怪ｄ就玩你㗎啦..理得你乜子呀~
佢地至多係自己屋企ar..係學校ar果度威吓㗎啫..
尖子我睇係唔識合而家香港o既..而家出面講ｏ既係做野要和諧一致lor! K% W# j1 Y7 I# Y: S
ｄ尖子做野太出位..太aggressive la: g! B7 w0 t. @: i
到時實會得罪晒班老細㗎啦..佢地咁自我ar ma5 l1 c. j0 h# I! P
所以係香港.我認為政府係唔應該投資咁多係e班人lor
因為佢地只係小數ar ma..同埋唔適合la( a% b! x; T7 P- g- q8 z, _% q$ \* `
咩野想做科學家喎...係e度只係一個夢想!!4 a8 z' W0 r% D
香港要o既係經濟..即係商業o既人lor
最緊要識同人溝通ar講數ar 果o的
如果以佢地為精英人材o既話..後果就好嚴重lu!* f6 J" ]6 Y, }% X
會禍害香港o既經濟價值ga la....

我其實十分同情佢地...佢地控制唔倒自己啫..唔係有心得罪人地o既..7 \! |& [8 w; N+ }3 ]0 `0 a: V/ C
我地應該唔好歧視佢地o既行為同埋才華lor..要多o的體諒佢地$ r; `" C3 D P
此終佢地都係好有用..佢地仲有好多好處o既~大家都係人啫

作者: hayatokasami 時間: 2005-7-3 12:22 AM

唔係得罪講句,睇完個節目我覺得十個資優有七個都係差個普通人.聰明反被聰明誤,佢地失敗原因就係因為佢地係資優,恃才傲物,自小就比其他人聰明,久而久之就認為自己野都係,自我中心,睇唔起其他人,唔聽其他人甚至老師意見.周圍人亦因為咁而排擠佢.呢d資優又唔反省,於是人際關係方面就愈來愈差.上堂又唔聽書,試問有邊個生出就乜都識呢？天才都要聽書先得,完全唔聽書天才都唔掂la.最慘有d資優成日上堂柴個先生台,d冇咁醒學生又有樣學樣,搞到連d冇咁醒都唔聽書.相反有d知道自己冇咁聰明就好努力希望可以將勤補拙.大部分呢d人最後都會有所作為,就算唔係都唔衰得去邊.(順帶一提,個節目話資優兒童患上d唔知咩症機會比正常人高好多)如果d資優生肯虛心聽下d長輩意見我肯定佢地將來一定係香港之光# Q7 P+ n1 Q2 Y f4 L) i( [+ z

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作者: nicholasxboy999 時間: 2005-7-3 09:34 AM 標題: 水能載舟亦能覆舟

水能載舟亦能覆舟 .. i prefer IQ than EQ

作者: pcframily 時間: 2005-7-4 09:47 AM

我只可以講,世界沒有一個真理7 q$ l+ O3 a9 H( ^
人們所說的道理也只是一句話,
永不是全對的,
的確有很好的人(IQ高又好樣),不過少之又少
老實講,人的天資的確係每人不同,' H. `1 L2 a/ y9 f5 D/ N. |
有人高,有人低,世界係吾公平
"資優/尖子, 其實大部份係殘障人士"
這是以單方面說,即是以單一技能來說9 X! r( g0 u- ]. l
資優/尖子以全面講來不會有殘障人士
有d殘障人士係有特別能力,但這不是資優/尖子4 r* A) c! A7 Q; ]4 u9 t# B
現在資優/尖子要求全面的能力

作者: dawrf 時間: 2005-7-6 03:20 PM

我講講我ge感受我有個朋友iQ都幾高都好叻下係讀書方面負出不多可以收獲很大
但佢元全冇咩人格可言又冇禮貌唔多理人感受又行街傾計時經常大大聲粗口
唔得大方 eq方面係好低佢心情好想同你fd時就真係好fd 佢一唔滿意反轉豬肚就係屎...
我都唔知點型容佢....又有私心除左iQ叻都唔知有咩叻

作者: 哈哈哈哈 時間: 2005-7-6 06:58 PM

愛因斯坦細個都係白白地痴,成日發呆,唔知3、4歲先識講野,最後未又諗左條雙對論,影響全世界,仲做左20世紀最具影響力o既第一(唔記得咩統計)。所以唔可以單單就話佢地(iq高o既人)個樣得得地而話佢地要入青山,如果愛因斯坦比人捉左入精神病院,呢個世界都唔知要退步幾多。
但係,我都ok同意你話佢地有d自大。我有個friend,就係呢d iq高o既人,math方面好巴閉,但有次就有個老師比佢玩謝左。中秋節個老師叫佢作句,佢話個老師mooncake,老師唔明,問佢,佢話:mooncake,未悶極囉,搞到個老師勁唔開心(不過又好抵死下)。最慘佢唔比心機溫書都考得好過我......

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