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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:& [8 t9 q) o" {

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唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:' {+ {0 f! J5 C3 n$ v/ X

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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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: i# `/ {% k! Y$ |8 _but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮" q" K2 ^2 d* s8 G$ j- Y

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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第一五分，第五一分! |2 x6 `) ^& i* M, U$ W( d0 P

1 ~9 x$ @. [7 B8 q諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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4 o$ B$ A/ I3 s鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10( k$ }0 A+ D) l
姜維：2+1+1+5=90 c2 y) |# I5 m% `! |
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->* j  ^, l- |9 m' J& p: @1 A' @+ x7 G

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維) O7 {( W% z: [& q6 F9 y; @3 J7 g3 U

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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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2 |  z- k( `+ p9 z4 t4 V. F$ lBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: ^1 E: w& W; Z1 Z
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why?1 \* y  o# }! c7 J3 V; a/ e

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! g. j- h( ]5 W

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:, A6 o. _6 _9 F; k+ @

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# j8 j* J, R( TAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 N: X- @3 @( q3 |1 H
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.