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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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( {+ Q! k2 C9 S% k智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! q$ }# f6 F/ V( V" j6 p! j( `* A2 |

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:& t# t4 X! W0 o+ ^' y
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第一五分，第五一分
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15& \, W0 x! M& r9 ]
司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
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陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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4 W8 a& R# \! V+ D- hThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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8 a6 k, X4 L+ GBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 F, Q* m' r% f

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:# b4 w2 R! Z$ l

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why?
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% j2 j# e6 P8 q% G其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.: ^' y1 A! a3 M0 L0 f' [  I
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) n  A0 H! g# b

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" L) F' O! V0 r& C) a: m% IAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.