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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:) K4 F. {8 N% ~; l) _
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: M# ]3 o7 o2 d9 \+ w' {唔計司馬懿呢？

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姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:2 t7 _% _3 j% H. X0 d: ]# b- v

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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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/ i5 V3 x% c& O- G" |1 Q4 ~but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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; Z  F) {  B0 j4 Q1 Y智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->4 G$ ?) O& U) j& B- f3 @, y/ K

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8 `# U/ r. i0 ?. R政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維6 h2 Z) h4 a( ^

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! ?1 |1 i& R! M. b! Y5 ^4 |Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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第一五分，第五一分
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  p1 V1 y  P- t# q  W4 m陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維( }" I4 Z+ {+ W- g, J2 o8 D
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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' m) V7 H5 L8 M" x. N& FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:; F" `7 C0 i+ ~/ F) L  L3 f

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; P7 t/ ]/ V! P) [( ], n- M
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.; A$ ?" ]" M4 g" B+ \+ c
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) k; w) h1 ^# ~/ U0 {

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:4 E. A. }& O5 d6 S& d% C  Q% ]
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他比孔明更偉大

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  m, d6 k) K& i' M8 g1 }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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' @- }3 k; H/ I8 L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.