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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:7 C1 d; [* J6 ]+ O+ j  [# P
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:& Y9 v7 a: j- _6 i' D; O$ b3 H

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.7 R6 M3 e0 F2 u
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 S1 D( d. l( v8 f* |! T$ c' D( {* r

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維& g% o( `( \( F  J+ G7 ?

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Thus 姜維 is the best. If 司馬懿 is excluded.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:4 e3 v" b5 o5 m( M; h6 {3 Y0 m) b5 d
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第一五分，第五一分
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10
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陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維$ k7 J2 c) T* n# m

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Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:2 y/ b# y" e7 Y6 F$ i0 j

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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$ m+ ^, {3 g4 W其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% h+ k) ?2 \  l, C

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.5 p. n  i( G. f, ~
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:+ m. `* @  G) Q# O

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9 e% t+ F: Y* a2 ^- @7 x- VAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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