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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:' \$ T) c8 t+ T8 D' N
姜維真係咁勁?& q1 Z7 W  _9 d- ~
佢輸俾鄧艾鍾會幾次ga bo...........

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實力差不多

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Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:& P1 m4 m, _& R' s

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yes...he was the great one to unified Chinese

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但孔明剛死時他才１３歲，怎能跟其他人比？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:
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! a* X0 R9 V% P1 t8 G8 Y唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:; b" K! p2 ~4 J: z* I
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姜維

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># q2 N8 V: |" m5 }5 C" l( S
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->鄧艾--->姜維
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" }0 }. [* e3 o3 H, _政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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Just I think
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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' k0 X8 ?/ R& tbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( g. W2 I, t/ M  Z) F: P/ J& B: U
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:. P6 c8 H4 y1 F! ~6 @# b  n" w
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 _/ j* t# G' Q) G- w

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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