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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:
3 e0 z! H" d* S5 f2 u- S姜維真係咁勁?
; v) i3 n- L" `7 U佢輸俾鄧艾鍾會幾次ga bo...........

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實力差不多

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Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:
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yes...he was the great one to unified Chinese

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/ D6 W. d9 w, \$ k7 o2 I! J但孔明剛死時他才１３歲，怎能跟其他人比？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:
7 k' [* M& p' f( B* ~司馬懿

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:7 l  r$ c( V; h0 t- w" a
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得; G* q9 l" I. F8 I" Y7 u

  p, t) J& Q5 _) P% u智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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% Z( m% O9 ~3 N% ibut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->, }- }3 U' K; a7 ]

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2 J4 T: ]! ^5 l9 x3 j政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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Just I think
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=102 K( G6 g( s% H" e
姜維：2+1+1+5=9
1 D- D/ M9 x3 F# Z2 K陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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' M- P( a# A( }7 DBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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  e( r4 L" W3 K. z# j/ e& y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:, {3 j, s7 @7 O& i: p3 l" D! @* w
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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