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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:
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佢輸俾鄧艾鍾會幾次ga bo...........

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Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:5 a4 G" d- \- [2 B. K
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yes...he was the great one to unified Chinese

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但孔明剛死時他才１３歲，怎能跟其他人比？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:% g' z0 R1 ~+ ?
司馬懿

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# L7 S% j# _* }1 i" N唔計司馬懿呢？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:! \' c+ j5 M$ I0 N, g7 x8 b

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why?

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:4 i/ [% Y# O1 _7 `9 I3 V9 T2 R' n
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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( ?6 ^6 U  K+ d% {軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->鄧艾--->姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維: N8 K7 p  ?) t( Z" p
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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Just I think
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10/ I4 L) ]& _1 k/ |, i4 W! s8 O) h
姜維：2+1+1+5=96 k' Z3 Z4 `- i, }
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' i2 s1 C9 Q8 x& G6 {% K, k, V

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
: ?. \0 w$ c$ E$ ^1 X  oIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機