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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  B0 u1 q6 r' S
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???* v$ A+ G' k! B7 S2 u
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
7 I  T( l* N5 N% m3 c% J4 O6 {so銀行可以不斷放款
# Z1 j% d5 w2 ]2 X5 f. W美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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( P$ p/ R2 c/ R  Umortgage loan
( I& ]) p" u' @, y4 Q>conduit
' C. c! I4 `9 C% g( ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
8 z5 ~. m3 H! I8 Y最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.1 {; J( z" I7 h" H
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,/ t7 d/ {. J" g  y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
5 N0 [  d! g# g$ s; Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 L% M5 [7 {4 e# C8 Tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
! _3 h- a) x5 nAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
* l! m2 `" c' vsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 V/ ^9 N3 M2 ~, s4 W
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
& J: e6 J, a8 [9 j  q! O1 P) b) zeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' C* h. S! d/ A7 E& y
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 X  ]" B. ^) x4 V$ j, M- A

2 ~1 \& c; B, |- Eim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 _+ K/ r) z  [- O& l$ t1 j' P9 P7 P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: \+ T" B0 K4 S# j) BFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- g" k+ V8 G+ NA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 ~6 P$ q+ P; {: S
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * A) h! d) k2 ~5 [" m6 o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! Q: O( ^4 Z$ o9 K3 O

% S, M$ c- `0 U0 S( y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 C' i6 j! {: A$ N8 _: ?
Refer to last example,
# T* y3 w9 f4 L" ythat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
5 a; x7 u8 w. w* u8 Z2 A  e7 {Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand . w& _% d6 Q. J6 [3 b8 C
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
2 d4 R3 r/ z  G" pso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
* k6 e( D: ?3 ]7 e+ v& a  f2 T* \all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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' y! m; I  U( H7 q$ nthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, : x$ e3 `( Z* h" x7 ]2 t
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 q( j' J" Y& j0 j1 Y5 u2 ~5 H3 i
it's the problem of the debt itself.# v; z6 M4 J# w2 `2 W4 }
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 }. b7 G  W$ Y0 z$ ?! t/ @小弟一直都唔明...5 w# m: r7 z+ r" k, ]. L. F

& q3 Z! d" C% e- q. a# X' e全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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6 j6 {" Z* x2 ~無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...( b. k7 i' [. E  c1 Y1 D8 c! ^
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敬請各師兄解答! R8 @$ e. j- `5 N6 _' N

8 R& `, A. C* I6 t* OThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
  g: a$ Z3 D' X/ c各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 J' `$ w. Y; X8 o3 v9 B
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產8 c5 v1 u& I8 {+ X
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( M" B7 s/ p5 r8 e
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊; X' n& {4 z8 J1 o- c$ e
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦5 p' z# P  p9 k) s/ a( H
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ X- m, J5 @- Y6 |0 L計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺6 ]' H( N% e6 b, T
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- T/ s9 V2 a3 G* r/ _9 X) m: _同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% [; r& Q; x' |3 C- b4 T
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
6 ?2 q- H. k- T. `3 B- R2 k8 u例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ' j6 ~' r, f- J6 n  p% n
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ S* r  Q( Y$ {/ L- z4 z+ n所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   p. i# i) _7 d+ j" s
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 v6 F% C6 E4 b0 i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 W/ Y" r* a4 v1 L4 O' t呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  a! Q7 G+ ?; C6 T# S) d% b$ N
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,   I' s' e- v/ K; ]
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, " V1 V4 S% M/ i  r/ L6 L5 r
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
  V* k4 F; f5 H! D咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% ?' i5 t& i9 O3 d" p8 [0 l  a! _4 f, C9 D7 K正係咁樣
7 I0 w  w$ w% A其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 F  p! U- n* h- j* f
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,0 R! `; @2 R$ r" Q3 Q3 V* z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票, {8 M- Q. r( c$ ^
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# H0 S9 A* O+ i* z: U
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 ?1 I0 t& Z1 j
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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1 |9 B2 M/ D& V其實係...
& ^2 f0 m1 ]+ v因為以前未生產, 先消費
5 K; F: `% s  P8 a6 L而家就要多生產, 少消費
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