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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) i2 a6 R3 I. q/ ?/ B; n, `4 \/ F- ~
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???; f" \+ H6 r7 ]4 @
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢( X2 E( W+ x+ n
so銀行可以不斷放款- a) m7 Z5 _; N* d) K
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! Q+ M) d) I4 F# f$ H$ f5 N

, w2 L" l; ?0 k5 D+ e) rmortgage loan
8 Y, p7 ]5 {; T( E6 _% Z1 q8 K- R>conduit
. ?; h6 g7 T& N; {5 ?: i" v>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 B/ Y' \" _! D, Q: z
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ ?  B- F# [1 kmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.1 Y. a4 V3 o6 O* t9 k- u
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 s  ~9 H" y0 X' m- G  fin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.$ Y8 H2 A: F  R, @" @
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
& v- o* Y) p: U+ Bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 ^0 I1 q6 q. |% V) \! {7 p
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. " ^3 E; l" v( Q! \" |
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 c2 o! U9 Y' Q. J/ \4 k) T
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.. C5 r# G: t; I- O( U/ {

, ^4 R1 b4 F( X- F) I# G+ him not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 C+ u2 L5 z2 k. a
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
' l# c& F0 N" @7 ]For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
$ h2 f, b5 Y* Z4 g* jA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& h0 }2 O0 [- u0 y- y1 xThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # o1 t, ^. U6 H2 o
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ Z5 u5 r" ~% N& |. C. URefer to last example,& {3 o3 ~3 O" L+ K2 u! p4 u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
. m/ W8 t2 @$ bBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ; K1 {" x+ @! |; }
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 _1 d& B( R( V( r4 Y( d7 B' ^A->B->C->D->E
6 ^3 x. j: M! R* Z" y' |4 a5 W' j$ fso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
) ?9 A( Q, o0 _7 V; Aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) q" ?( E) u+ w" _! Y3 b

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! k. c/ ~/ L' b3 m" cthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
5 w/ H* E, n9 \: `9 ^) P* q" [in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 c: H$ A- J7 ~) T, N% L# u8 Lit's the problem of the debt itself.
0 E/ k- z" h0 d- q1 ^, }the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 U: g7 Z4 s' J+ L8 {  l小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?: h4 i6 g7 v2 C4 q7 G* K9 S

2 w% A5 T/ H- `) j無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答% B- i( c( J8 p) [; T- O' t( c

; \- p8 E* Z9 E+ T  ]9 HThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  2 Y5 u8 c6 [& u  {+ d/ \
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產! Z  j9 g3 ^$ m$ U. |- `2 G# N- |
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
4 h* L9 u% d* H: W, k) G$ K於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊' m/ h" T/ v0 |* g" M& n6 _
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! }9 X/ b0 x: T) ?% {! o) X
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,/ x5 q( R6 T0 [5 y6 G
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
5 K8 n$ |4 m; q8 O# ?  U前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& n! V% ~" P& h同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
* K. |0 Z' T9 P% @2 V6 d! X但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺$ G! w/ ~: a0 G+ [0 ~) ?" j2 y- P( z
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, & o2 B* {# c1 ]7 ?) y# q
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. K: x; [' R( c0 \' x所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁- o' B  Z  `: u0 S2 U! j/ L

. T- F2 G5 T6 I: y% |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
! c( }4 A4 l. ], r但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. E4 C9 ?; k! C- _) s8 e淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
' P& \* m3 S' E+ m! v  ?9 k6 C% t呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 X# |2 f6 j+ a唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 N  p8 r6 V. s2 r2 v; M) y
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 }* K$ I$ J# f& o4 G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% M9 X; T" s& u1 y$ T
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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  w' z( t5 F: @4 \! j  t正係咁樣& I. `" j) J: G6 L
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業1 u) g! S/ L# }' Y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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2 e$ c% o. h9 o0 V再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,5 i0 @4 N+ U( a! f" Q$ [
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
2 u. x0 V4 u5 J; ^/ y4 T" g; A( J一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 n" V$ u' ]9 `; k
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; Y# u8 ~) L0 x& q$ a- ?
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.... c& Q' h) Y3 o; w" y4 x
因為以前未生產, 先消費
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