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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( y) C2 F* @1 }. p4 e& w" uWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???4 x/ {* }) \! o. v. u
I was so confused.....
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" s% Z, f7 e6 i+ t講到尾都係賺錢
* o/ f( a0 Q. o! D+ Y. x) Z) Rso銀行可以不斷放款5 F- R2 ]6 o' w5 d) j
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 ]. `" ?. o: Z6 |. R9 k) s
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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& k; o  ?0 |; K( K>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  ^9 H- \7 @3 g7 r7 F- u
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
# m; q5 Z: Z. f, P0 TCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 n; R% l3 b+ }2 m) b9 }; y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
. u! p  t8 o1 z, E9 @* D- Lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,% I8 b& T! Z$ V- N& E" D, d
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
1 o. N9 X+ M" b0 V4 rAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
! N* j, \4 J, x+ f/ Gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
6 c6 X# e5 g& l' y* nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 P& O9 W6 T9 d
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ f0 N* N% K4 |2 s" u  fbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.+ o& R1 {1 L$ v/ a; d. w

1 K8 q& S+ _! W6 q2 Nim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ {2 c0 h" l2 I* e0 A: w3 C" Pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
* ?  N, q0 e2 d* gFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
: B7 z" o5 }' H% O9 m! oA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.% _% G7 B' [* i  v
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
$ M$ [0 j: D- X$ T+ \but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 s: M0 M& q7 i

1 f! R+ }, w" F: y6 p3 {; A[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# h" y* I; ^9 C5 Q. \* W: d2 s9 ~Refer to last example,1 M/ r3 ^: @& @8 ]
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
) L$ b% k) R+ EBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand   S- ]8 O9 n2 g3 c5 G
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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# y. @9 D  F% R3 `- V" ~A->B->C->D->E1 ^$ D4 T& m& J" S) Y+ g0 g4 J
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ j" P6 }, z& m! L, O( }$ p4 j
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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# x" {' n3 t, ^the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) B" ]& `6 ^5 _2 v/ j6 x+ Nin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
% U  |5 b1 P& E' Rit's the problem of the debt itself.  ~) G/ }. N- a6 T1 h/ I
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' s% g$ I, u5 e2 c
小弟一直都唔明...2 r6 o' R" i4 H7 C1 d7 _
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...7 D' _% i9 `. |3 Y, y4 h

/ G- w1 m( M4 F7 K! }敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 b% J2 L; G' `9 m5 [% Z$ f各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 P9 [7 i- z  q, f$ X

2 E# p9 K$ a; `9 E9 Yhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( C% b2 x# b) H% U/ N& v% Y
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高: R% v) x! n7 A3 ?$ D2 j8 E& I1 x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
; j0 X* m/ P' j9 |) T3 I' C個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦/ M/ Z1 Y  F5 T& ^" [+ k
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& l9 C/ o- L% J/ |( O4 r+ W計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. i2 k1 N8 j: l2 f0 W0 W前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 f2 M, D3 J$ C
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得6 D6 R  {' N9 k" }) |% m4 l( d
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' {; ]$ }  E+ \9 d! o
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
5 X, P6 P- O3 _* o# I: J7 p8 D咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
& M4 F  i- }5 J9 a" b$ M) H" I所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, / g/ {0 l* |+ R% \$ ~
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 9 G9 z5 k1 j* V% P8 g8 B* a3 x( v
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' }; N: Z( S! U/ Z- k! Q& {! j4 p" V# e
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
) H# C/ x0 y/ r2 _' ]咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% W5 h  N2 l1 {9 }5 l0 h' b& Q& D# o- G唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
* s. `6 I3 d. z0 O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. [3 j5 I2 Z, V呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行; z/ h) E% i" i9 s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) ^* v8 q6 u7 Y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 H* M2 ]) t* E( K* |

- I0 g2 v! N0 [再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
( S3 z" E2 U* z) H! {8 [連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. A1 N! u5 p0 X. y, ?2 m6 [一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, U' \1 v* L7 {6 t1 g) N6 {編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ Q. `& [- |& ]9 H( V: y4 [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
) G4 `& Q! L/ K7 C7 I! j0 }. l因為以前未生產, 先消費
& q$ J& D  E! M2 B$ q$ E1 L% [而家就要多生產, 少消費
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