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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 Y3 M  v" n# A( \* d/ p
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
( H/ b* m7 v. ]5 T* ]8 p6 h: xI was so confused.....
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6 F; M7 f4 w! M& {0 v講到尾都係賺錢
7 X+ P1 g* o% E5 \5 O  a; aso銀行可以不斷放款% G4 G1 c- C6 m5 y) k
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 3 u2 H( \6 H7 z! N# g" ]( l  w
>conduit
/ n3 ?; f# [2 g1 {9 I>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return." w3 y$ R& Z4 p. M0 \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
- N% E/ v/ i% a, cmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., V) F: `$ a3 o! d4 i& B
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 ^, r; G7 g# K! o: bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
8 H& m9 C3 L+ L1 m7 ]3 CAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.8 j/ |9 F" D+ v% Z" {) e
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
4 T1 K1 u! F  H2 f0 A6 Z: C/ E# vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 l! G, Q  g- q" E6 F4 @( r5 I: o
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
; z: L7 w  O5 k  G) P( c8 Vbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ A) V8 ?. _: J* {# Uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
: v0 Y* m2 c9 d" {( oFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 \, i" ~1 e  }3 A1 Y- pA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
& e# i- ^& m+ s" W8 Q3 h3 z8 RThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
0 @2 o  x) D1 B- F* K* [) zbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 I2 J3 d1 ~. p8 X4 N! E0 \7 [+ X
Refer to last example,$ W' E$ _5 V8 q2 r- e
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A + f5 H! o, }; C* c& u% M9 {9 i2 |
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ a9 z! W7 }2 D5 V, f/ t
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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2 N+ ~6 B7 q' H9 |6 V3 ?! O2 u: KA->B->C->D->E
+ G  X: U5 y# ~6 o" Hso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
: A0 H9 Z0 b- F, K  a1 lall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?( Q1 S4 i4 O4 u, E/ s

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1 c* P% Y6 H; o- j. Rthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, # e$ r$ l# c- B- C& G' }7 s
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ; b6 @7 [) S3 L; K
it's the problem of the debt itself." C" v% q% E; U
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ?( S; u& ~- u8 c* W, G6 @, H  O; C# X
小弟一直都唔明...2 ?1 T8 S0 G. R& }: i5 E
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 W$ A- m  F- g

0 B& r+ n9 u  v! }7 ^0 ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.... D3 c( i/ o4 P* U8 p
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
8 m8 g  L; ^$ ]0 G& b) l3 P$ Q那些根本係 紙上財富  7 e' ]. G, B& {5 t4 n" p& _1 |
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 |/ i, k2 d) O6 {, H4 T$ p4 B' Q) Q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ s, q! Z9 H0 D8 X6 q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
3 K$ a' I; @- [: G個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 M) v6 b; p1 X4 R% q* g- y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
; T, H6 y0 ?  l; H  t; g! [+ a. t計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺/ R* d% X9 o0 @& ]
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
  I& I+ w! @" [- i+ @/ {4 x% ^同埋個市場既前境要係好先得  g# A# U* v8 H) x% e6 [  ^
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺& t4 w7 V0 Z# Z- O
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
. P3 ]3 r- X% ^5 D, H1 E咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
# E* Q# n( w# a: E所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁( p3 R5 ?( y  |) E' h

) ?# _, `  Q9 S- _% [/ P你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) K7 P1 I+ i# q$ n8 d
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 M' H) ~/ P' w; N" Y8 L+ `& b
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! K& D' C: `8 L8 v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
% G1 j+ \7 [2 q咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ q' j6 Y! x, ?# x$ e! w
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 S9 u: [$ F( m: \. I3 X. B
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
0 U/ Z% }4 p* {' N! [% A* `4 A8 B其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
! z+ T: o# I' G, j% H分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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- ?" V. {0 A' r再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ Y6 U4 x0 }" P, D連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
% F. E2 \* w/ `8 F, a. C一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' i8 S6 s+ ?9 G# a; U% z編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) O6 L  @0 \; s7 ^" x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
. U6 |9 t$ w! K7 H) x因為以前未生產, 先消費+ ^; s" l8 H/ d0 ~5 H
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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