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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, q& o7 t: J& H- W  J
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???/ O/ m3 V6 o2 ~
I was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款
8 t  h0 V8 z* g4 h/ j' B3 S美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 }& F3 x+ T% T

4 P# O' G" X5 V. S0 smortgage loan : Q( c. H! D3 \1 [0 p; q
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 ?5 z" G1 _0 S7 t; {) u+ r
>arranger
9 L( z- k8 C0 F6 \>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); C8 }# d5 m2 _$ u; T
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.3 a& s5 T8 z; m0 r8 f0 Y3 ?- _
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,# P0 K% Q+ i$ Y: }
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; [& ^3 P; z$ w' H+ b, tmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,: _8 j8 r: S' h# p+ K; [0 b
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
3 P, o# p) [4 ], o  [' j7 nAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency./ i  q9 n5 z( E8 _# k
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
+ c& Q4 ~9 J+ s! c9 T/ a; T& Qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
8 M1 z3 [- f7 ~! G5 _! O9 Peg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
' ^$ @, k. J; q8 ~/ D- J  d1 z; h9 Ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.' c! O: a6 [! L5 ~8 ^- F; S

$ I6 q, [6 [) M- F7 mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
# q- Z1 @  q2 lin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
" B& o. J* a1 B9 zFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* {- w9 s. t5 b+ V; R
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
* y6 h& ^! s( d$ b, z. T' rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
6 ]* ~% l* ~  H; u3 n8 qbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! h1 X# W1 Z+ ]( K# O% K: h

+ I% A' v  c4 a) G% T! o+ S3 Z6 q* Z[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# c' k4 n& w8 O$ ~' _9 k
Refer to last example,2 w& E3 z3 `! Q6 \. ^
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ; ?2 a7 F' V3 M# X7 [4 N# z  K4 U
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / [( t( k5 Z. D. R/ I6 o, Q1 W# E
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E# s% q2 [5 X! T# y* P1 _! ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, : b" j' ^) ~* W) J5 ~
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?; z' d4 X- S* K* q. c

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
8 v' g% e9 Q' w0 C/ Sin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, / J9 i- }" ]: D8 O: n2 ]
it's the problem of the debt itself.
& [6 B+ @, A8 \8 z3 T: othe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ^) P) c7 Z% h# f
小弟一直都唔明...1 J2 t! y& r: a* F" b. b
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?) _, _: }: V! K. l) _: O) a
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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3 G) Y: l3 o; C& `Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  7 f! Y- t/ T. t2 X* N
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic: q- v; \3 }2 p7 z- e
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: V; i2 ~1 X% l  I3 N# a; l3 o當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
) s! m6 b; N. ~: P5 [8 a( `* H3 [4 C於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
/ r* v0 |6 d6 x8 C: y0 l個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦! n  E1 }" E" I) M
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
: @. Q: s6 u4 I: r) Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺* J4 X  E' Y: ^
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
8 [! Y3 n  g* }& P同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
( t8 L! w# z$ {/ k9 M4 R" h3 [) h) W但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# I, n% l3 ~/ s: ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ E( H& n) U' t8 _+ k咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 u& D' l- F* k  }, G+ [4 Y6 Z所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 F+ _+ S/ R( h
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
% N% S  u/ ~0 G. z. x- l( Q但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, $ n" {, s7 H8 s7 Z/ K4 w
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 Y# Y* H- k+ v. u* p
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 R) m6 E" {" p, n" v: d
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif2 O4 M% F9 b1 k( T% Y2 x" L
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 3 o- l/ i2 d: `  m( f7 z% J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 N" |; V) w. V6 t) l% i呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣/ ~% Q1 a* w2 K) X
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 t8 ?0 e! t9 l5 M3 N7 ]
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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. I- i$ X  P! O$ F& b& Q再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
) C% D: \8 x/ t3 d連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  _3 x! K% W4 F1 ]/ e一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, F2 H' [$ u4 f. V+ t
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ r! ]0 E8 |! p6 s
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 p0 u, c  q3 G4 s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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