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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 ^% e3 H9 Q4 L3 D" ~) V
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
7 E& K9 y( `8 `  mI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢% X7 `1 J' ?- O( j, n" K  K
so銀行可以不斷放款
7 g  s2 ?6 l; _1 Q- o+ @/ V- K美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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5 E$ g- U& t: x4 H( K/ q9 Xmortgage loan " Z% r/ h' x0 v% O4 ]) V1 v
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 k( _5 Z& ~, K/ Z* P5 M, E
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,7 L8 y; n! w6 s0 f, d8 o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
9 v! I3 i( `" k/ w4 T2 X. b) u; n. ^+ HAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% |" M# N7 @( Y) o) asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,( Q4 j1 h3 f( i) E
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. - `6 E  u- u  x* w- a8 [* R6 E1 l
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. - M) f% Z- k" C" }
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.& v. S% a" K+ B) N
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.0 C# a& I5 z% F" e, `
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.% |) Q% G$ x/ c" j$ ~3 v
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 Q6 i. C* `* p& W" M1 e$ U
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
) }- b* Q, D& B: }5 h! _2 X' |& K9 oThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - i) i2 Z5 d" l; r6 v
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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9 u' b) }, V1 C: W[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ |4 B  V. ~; t! t/ e* b3 F) KRefer to last example,) p4 t% S, c/ w' O5 F/ \
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
3 z1 T$ L8 n1 n4 q& BBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
! m- b8 k' O0 ^5 }  atherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E% z9 \3 H1 k) j/ l/ j! D4 D
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, - p  w- W/ U$ @  t* i1 e
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" }0 Y9 Q$ N: t$ U- E

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
) p/ \, @, [( B4 _) \2 kin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 a( ]  F( Q" u2 X$ D# o
it's the problem of the debt itself." E5 G& c5 l$ n( O+ T
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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$ V% O, Q* q. i) N. k/ X  a敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
; y% S% B0 D" Z6 I( ~( m那些根本係 紙上財富  
& |" E, S4 i0 @& E; m  u' J' s: U3 h各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic+ \2 Z. r- |) ]% o* @7 u

" [3 k/ m$ A9 V0 i: ?0 zhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
3 [5 v4 k' n8 O& Z$ c% ~* O當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( [1 k' @6 ?& v' `# g% S
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 |/ U: \- ]% p; Q5 v$ [( x! Z' Q
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦3 C) R& ^; c7 T# i
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
  w# \1 P$ t: n) I8 {計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ j; r& J. Z( f  G0 s8 Y4 t# \# D' G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
5 C6 O' t4 z- U同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- m3 s, i3 q) Y) C
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' @, d! |0 R" B! q; g1 R4 r; ^6 {
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ! s/ ~5 p9 y( h+ Q/ I) @
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  t. W& Y( ?8 |" \5 ]1 r3 ^6 ^0 Y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁! L) c) A9 H: }" k# u; E; V

  j. t  m0 i4 B; Q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : ^8 z3 q( a* [9 ^
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 ^# p- v1 Q6 g- T  j; c0 r
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 z7 t! K9 ^9 ~: K  Q* R0 }9 D0 Z/ K
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( w# K4 F" `) F! Q4 O6 e
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 j7 b% q- O, \
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' S4 O  J" R  ~7 r& U7 M
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣1 C' j, m# I7 f
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& V8 l0 b5 K- E" V分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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& e( n4 k& s5 [6 X- m5 H+ s& ^再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,8 j0 |8 d* c* S6 K
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
. Q& }6 H) `. K一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 t: T  B$ _9 j) n# Z# P
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 e- x# i, t) u* T& ?0 e咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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( O/ n; u9 {* \/ [因為以前未生產, 先消費
7 }/ M# [/ B6 ?2 U- b而家就要多生產, 少消費
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