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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 r  J. I5 a9 P% I* T
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???% x! c3 ~8 V( M1 g* s- {* c/ Z, Z. l
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢, e7 k- T9 c! A( v" S& J
so銀行可以不斷放款
( `, w1 }: j1 E  q# R9 `* L( t1 [( |2 _美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界+ {% h( d$ i: P) p3 J
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mortgage loan / W1 _2 Z! k" E
>conduit. V# }  |3 {9 G( q/ B
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  b" }1 D. k% ]5 k
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.6 h2 @! P. e" e; i5 N# E6 B, |& {% t
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) {( R9 r7 t1 K9 R3 v# H$ b6 B! Sin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.. Z2 D6 @6 J9 J) I' j% V, d
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.% c& j3 G7 ?( u( Y, q  |& @/ P
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ s+ S9 `* Y+ _. e3 w
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
$ w" U- t! b; x& i+ D8 G+ j* K9 L- Neg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 7 r+ h! g7 n7 K1 P( J$ O; J) r( r
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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' r8 G: {5 O4 X$ [" G  m, ?im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case./ Q; X/ s- |% {  ]- |
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
. L; p% k6 R* n2 NFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,* n, A8 ?4 U( w7 h+ z) C
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
# O8 C/ z; Q6 ~6 N; D$ j$ jThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) I2 m, h% h4 t: N9 O- jbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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4 Z# {! k+ f( M5 N. ~, ^3 ]; D+ _[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' g8 s* M4 P/ E2 v
Refer to last example,
* S, C. u% P% I; @% F9 ethat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A # i/ K. c: g$ n7 f$ ?6 q
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 4 A1 y: Q5 V7 a3 ?- g( \
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
" V. {/ D  v- \' ?& Y$ j( G# e6 Nso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 t( d) @$ t9 O: s8 oall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + A7 Y8 l& a0 y! T2 ~) F
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 A' w/ _4 T/ B* Z% H6 Yit's the problem of the debt itself.
1 l7 X' u; y4 G$ ^) athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 p6 x; b; c9 ^5 \2 _* T. j
小弟一直都唔明...( u7 K; Q( L5 G$ t5 C. }

: f) K) W% K1 {$ X6 Q' `全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...! A  A- S% R! t/ ]2 _
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敬請各師兄解答0 t. L; l8 [; L" Q
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
/ U+ q) ~3 T% M+ Z6 f( {1 K+ V各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic! z0 W4 `& e- N
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產* e  |6 C5 a' L  d) L; W- q
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高* M; E+ D% V, Q. T/ x
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" I1 A+ i5 [( T+ o, g2 X個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
" E# K: _5 D/ b2 I! [* j  V+ i5 @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
& U7 E3 }6 r" C( K' _計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
) @$ c- D  L! t; V, k- G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ y. y5 Y4 }5 a: S) K, t( W
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得9 ]- v9 L! L8 h3 @# B1 r7 c. i' _
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
/ D! k7 I  T. ^9 L7 |$ W" Z( n例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 8 B# n( M8 b/ I  C- ~
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
- {9 Z2 M, k. V; G: N8 z7 M1 r2 t所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, " O- F* W# _. s% Q
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) u) p6 M7 O( e1 c/ Q淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& \1 \$ Z! r% h, _) \呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ U: O% W8 r4 \( s* O唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : `! Q1 U. h. v, s
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 C/ ]* U! A" a% ^8 Q
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
5 f) w, m9 q2 ~咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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2 _6 h, I4 u" x: p/ q  v" J# ]正係咁樣" @, U- {6 t! t+ A; v
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業7 c& W) u. A, a  H' Q
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢2 S( x! l8 Y' V; v* e. l& t  W' T

! {% x* I# f( b5 a9 |  J! X7 K再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
6 w8 B6 u( k. {連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
4 Y' z6 }8 N- \一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產, A! C& Z. k  j! p
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 _6 d. S8 Q: t+ _! x( ]3 x咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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9 k5 k6 l5 S; ]5 E  `$ F其實係...
1 S0 Q+ A7 _- S- C* Q因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 V. O7 W, a8 ]" @9 }而家就要多生產, 少消費
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