Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% i' p, w" m$ M* d2 R3 d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- L9 l- e+ J) `: j8 F8 a$ F9 [
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 ~, c8 y* l( ~. F% ~

7 r; p2 ^9 `2 s) fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 Y3 C0 Y! l: s+ k$ u$ L+ J% j: rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!. e9 T3 @. r5 Y4 r. @" ]# N( R
我只不過微小的基督徒...................- k1 W4 Z6 G0 q) I  i. G/ O
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# Z9 j1 W. w4 \  `) ?7 f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 `: K7 |: |* U) h- y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ j2 _4 ~6 x' ~" e
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
$ `/ X* g1 d# Z% t4 {; e! J建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) h1 J* H7 m5 `1 L3 P7 p  OWhat a statement we have here?5 Y/ c2 a5 U+ t4 U# ^% [' L# t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) ^7 y. s4 Q: @/ \2 O

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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ _& N# [. Y+ k4 C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 @% e3 j4 S8 U5 p

$ d0 F5 E: W. p% [( \it's starting because we have sins......' b# l4 V- o" n& w" m0 i
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   Y4 S1 H; D' J, y
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 z- b# o! w! X只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& Q: N, e* M' Y% |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 i" Y& [' u% I. \9 }8 a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ ]7 p& t# S- I3 p6 Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 p- s: w( N4 n  Z! a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 t" K5 ]; h* v1 R& F( X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ |9 [3 q2 `$ B吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; F7 ]) j+ X5 B$ K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) ]& X& M$ p0 e( G

1 O2 k6 E& ]9 J# a以下是其他人的見解,5 d- c% {# x6 J  y2 n/ u5 L$ V+ V
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 r4 x" b# v8 l
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
. Y7 w) y& V, G3 Z9 [- U% M5 p6 s.............信耶穌... ...

$ J3 `4 u+ B9 |* V5 L8 iRegarding the resurrection....
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- t% H+ C2 {: Y1 n# ]. YActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 h5 |1 [( l9 v& ?, U! }- F

9 p2 {) O7 S1 N' J# kYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.