Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" j4 A5 T9 |9 _: c9 d4 i! ^# A. A; ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到; ]" C6 H" W& F  ~0 w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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3 D( M& w* C! N# M2 C+ Z) O2 i' jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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0 i+ |3 R1 Y+ I# V' _% K9 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# g8 V) I9 ~( D9 ^# I/ ?struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 g  d' Y7 A2 P* B4 b! V7 y/ Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
; M! ]' P$ e9 J6 I. U我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 |1 q: R4 s' q. g真的!!這不是反話( @$ t  T& M9 Y' ~
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,# x) F6 h) G- ?! v) T( u3 h
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 U9 J+ C; k) G. t3 [在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ T  g  W" t' \7 M) S  R) u" c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 B9 _% q9 W) \3 nWhat a statement we have here?# s" \- b5 ^- {. D4 o2 Y

3 W6 q" E4 k6 o$ q& ~Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: E; m4 ~  G; f9 u$ Y

# x2 h; K/ y: Y- HLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" s+ B, f& y3 e' C; A4 ^( {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* c; _" w) h: B9 Q5 |
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ s& b" q# t3 v: ^1 t: |/ N"不信也沒損失"
  j! J# h5 \& n# r, z/ eYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....4 x( ^, M& e/ q
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. T9 P, N" E- i: g& H1 }it's starting because we have sins......9 B0 z/ A; Q) L* [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % m' N' N; f& H5 s0 L7 V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% H1 d* X8 p$ F
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 f7 d/ K. I3 F; b/ d2 f* ^用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* ^2 A2 s8 O' }$ ?) J5 N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* s0 ~$ ^* c' A1 Q& h9 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% H/ s7 v: ^3 ]6 T* t/ [8 @( V& Z
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# [* Y  Z  V4 m* @& i1 [( u
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,; k  V' M* p6 G" o0 x  g
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+ t. F1 d# Y( T/ l一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
" x% S" |% r! j, O0 h  v2 ~改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
/ X( v0 J6 _# S" y8 T: ?1 A0 E美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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1 V; C* Z. u4 D5 n4 \: N! l1 s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 I# F0 ~6 Z! A: B. U! N# l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 P. g. R7 R/ i1 C信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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& w+ I: ^, f+ R; ~2 A以下是其他人的見解,7 u# i6 R2 Q9 u
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: C5 }3 G6 P+ W0 h$ c2 L" B
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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" d0 k5 d2 h. I5 j信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 Z, \& [5 ?' f2 B6 l8 r
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& m+ K  G: n8 `( k* h0 l

+ {' \6 |( {$ i0 U8 s9 b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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6 {1 h  {" J+ f8 w6 |* Q$ [同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 O8 N1 _$ s" ^+ B9 A/ i  f! x( s.............信耶穌... ...

9 N+ F. t) t* A* P/ ^% n/ M! nRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# N& \& r  d1 ?1 M( a5 F& k
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.