Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
6 Z) F+ h4 F! g. t' p7 h道理我知道好多只係做吳到% i' m4 F( ]; C. m; i  A; S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! @& O- S4 f% ?* |" {* S

/ i+ i% \! x4 d) }! ?0 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  x/ h# y& j7 d2 U. F3 ?/ t

! H  ~( A3 q6 O: m3 J) _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 M% {; L* f+ R9 Y# |% _7 x  T

4 f) l) A/ Y8 R9 Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ A0 P2 g9 m/ R. d! M$ \8 [
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- |. C8 W. w0 q; [  x) i7 ^4 i$ p' N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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7 o, a, o$ n% }) z9 v: S% }因為我是情感比理性強的人8 r9 M4 F: w' Y8 j
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 L8 o  y* d3 l( r  p. j4 N8 v9 I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- a3 T7 ]/ v+ B9 F% K; [% o0 N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...# V4 I7 A5 I+ S7 T; R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! J+ E2 K" [" W$ u! ^# y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 A$ v& r% Y5 e# Q# L5 P* ?What a statement we have here?
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% a2 s& {+ f0 m" c% `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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% D$ `& U& g- `! C( q: V$ HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) W6 I( Q( B: {! lLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% _3 g# {9 W: Y" y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" A) L- |6 s& N0 M2 z7 u"不信也沒損失"
9 h' f* U+ y9 d5 o! TYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  S( |0 [/ o" B, ?but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ t! L7 R& }6 A% i& X2 a5 Vsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 O( t: w% F. `, x4 _' b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& D9 G' r$ {% x
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' l& Z' ^$ \3 }3 _# N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 I0 D  Z; u# S
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
1 W* j1 [% G! G: v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," i7 d" d9 F/ B4 H; @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ t# W- Z1 @! U$ e. ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. Q# ~  k: r- b/ }- a& Z" ?

+ p# z! W" Z% |: a* [3 K" h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. f. h6 K+ ]+ P3 l* m% _5 I
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法/ x% P/ t& w# @& C; ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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! c# G2 ^/ {' s( p( k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* S% v- q+ P; {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 J. f" Y* i# a- t9 D
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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* J$ c4 B/ C0 m% M/ V$ ?信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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- f/ ^% }. t5 p& P: T不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, D% s5 v& B+ [6 F! o

8 Q+ K, l" O5 U+ D- Y# `5 C3 q我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!" e6 J& k% l' B: w0 r- `& S9 y
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 R4 |9 ~# f3 r2 F.............信耶穌... ...

/ k" b. A) [1 R% H; a' Y, CRegarding the resurrection....# X4 p0 b& y1 Y3 z! n
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....; D/ s4 m: i2 u3 o& ], E

5 Q' c2 B  V; n  J( j! B+ TYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.