Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. f6 i/ n) ?3 a# ~: v我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- f* g6 y+ w; {道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; U$ @" G5 p7 N9 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& A9 f; _9 _# _! I& T
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 E8 i& f$ H' n4 H5 f! T- qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: [" f4 K) H% y  h; O2 hcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( P4 L( r" V+ H- A! @; Z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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* }- W/ f% B4 U因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 N$ b- n5 S1 g$ m( }. O' H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& y: c0 R; h' W- q& p* j  Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% L5 T- e4 {5 x7 P. z0 \' Q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 w: d" R( e- [) [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 \1 v  ~" u* ^7 k

. ?; O# w4 K- [Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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9 \  ?! x2 ~2 A) h9 WI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 t2 v6 ]% [( l9 i: O
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% r; `0 E5 h) U8 s% f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; y3 [+ Y1 n4 z8 r' T" u3 i0 r
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......: [0 N4 t. ]" `2 O" m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " f2 D0 b- b; M+ x; R/ q- G
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( }. a$ I' `% U) X3 S3 S/ ^4 A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 }5 z9 S6 f( f$ p
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  J4 A! T! ?% V/ R( S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 k, B* a  n* S( n3 r
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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. F& q8 G& A* g" V1 A( P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( q; V3 z3 F; l' V
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法9 ~; L) j) a' C5 b
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  G! o6 l5 E" J- [5 W* }- c: e

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,& w6 q* @& G# @5 u, x1 i
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" \6 `" u3 [0 a" B* I( J
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 |9 H; G. Q2 m& ^6 ]$ g. I! c- f- J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ {3 Z* n/ m: {$ i) |* YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.