Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 g( x3 }# o& q! a5 f% {
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 ?. h! M3 e+ {  V
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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  P. G: I2 w4 P1 G7 B+ \Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 w5 n  f% I6 V3 l) a
我只不過微小的基督徒...................  L% H0 c$ i+ \% j# I$ V7 P" b
真的!!這不是反話6 y+ V/ f$ e; F$ O; q7 H
因為我是情感比理性強的人, d! W" l* J& b6 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,& D( ]7 n; h& e- _1 x6 V4 c. v
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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/ @& K$ l9 {# U0 P. V& c# S0 tWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ ]8 ]& |5 q5 H& Z- J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 ]6 E+ J$ E) p: S, m7 r# E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 p9 k  ]' t" e8 C; }  k"不信也沒損失"
4 x, n4 [4 j3 i" x9 [, pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....7 X! R' R9 z$ n0 F! U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 ^3 V7 J' N. E7 F2 h8 q0 J
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it's starting because we have sins......
! @5 h% _) G) ]( n% qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ^$ Q; F1 E! `* p5 q- K1 R
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,  l4 u1 S5 n1 P3 {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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3 [) v4 Q9 x- t5 S# k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,) o; T- L3 f+ q8 H
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) I5 j! a# d9 ?- S
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 z: W0 n/ N, w$ Z) V# |

4 T5 i: l( P, a& h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* b& ~$ \* \0 C' H
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; ]0 ~2 m# |. g: U) |' Y3 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 w2 {" d+ |  R9 M
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' Y2 M) E6 l' Y9 U. M/ i% g8 V' ~- h
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! Z- f! _" d$ G7 `+ r信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ B/ u: d! X% Q7 y  X
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% E. e1 d9 U2 m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 ^( U, V& v; B7 I, E5 N$ g
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" e' x% G0 K# j/ Z' ?

, U8 \3 G; T" O$ z! D% L我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 F4 Y- k" D/ H  n4 B5 ~
.............信耶穌... ...

! I+ l$ L2 i7 v" RRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- {1 {2 I8 {2 u! F3 n& ~
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.