Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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: U5 X! `0 `/ h$ @道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 O. j1 n# |3 }- C& L呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ U! G/ l  i) GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 s- w' r0 C# p& X  E
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: P) W/ M- g3 |; Q! ^2 _
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- C, [4 s3 q0 i( R; F5 ]7 T
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., ~3 c  S1 T8 x  g
真的!!這不是反話
" M. S0 k0 J! T2 X因為我是情感比理性強的人
3 z" R4 `5 r' u1 {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 j2 M  G  S3 F4 j3 R* G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
* u$ p5 K; t& k( l: r在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' ?% E! {+ `, C" z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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1 N, r5 q8 L7 p( `7 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. W* ]- b. m% J6 h' XLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 F( M. R) m. z7 b( e# r7 ]$ p

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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$ W/ E5 K" Z0 v3 U- r( @7 a"不信也沒損失"
! k) Q* z; x. ?4 f: Q; t) {. XYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... O9 [- z! d$ G- s: j7 B
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 g, ]* |" L5 Y% @$ U
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 B/ I: T/ @* B5 ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - g/ z5 s$ y4 B# y/ E9 N/ d1 o
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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6 |8 g$ I. b! G6 v用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* x, A/ ?- x# C  R$ z7 A7 x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 X' C( [% g7 P% o; V如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,* A1 A8 m, y  ]  A4 J
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 s3 w/ H& Q' k" B
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,' L; f% {8 a; V% ^- s. v
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,8 C" V" k+ ]) O# ^

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" q3 [$ _9 N. D$ X  S* w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! B3 b- N' e9 V9 [3 E

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% ^+ B  f/ _6 o7 ^3 J) m+ l$ c5 @2 X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 ~) c  r4 n& v& P! O8 i* T信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: {4 A) L! T# q

8 w* r# j6 l& j5 N1 G8 U5 V% N( c以下是其他人的見解,
; W) t" m3 O( h( E1 B1 T看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 _. @9 ?4 P0 T

, X# `; {5 j  e" }2 L不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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7 Q( M: A7 _: a1 b% x& l我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: w$ Z* h# L2 ?2 ?: Z2 a% ]# X6 p.............信耶穌... ...

9 w" F" B2 u7 y% B2 o5 dRegarding the resurrection....
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( x  L1 n: `4 X4 R1 HActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 ~1 b, L* M5 G

/ C, m0 O% V8 z) h& O7 k% uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.