Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:$ J% a" j- k9 e6 H" \( |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 [6 Z1 l6 U1 l7 A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
& R1 z% b# j1 |& }2 H* U: u道理我知道好多只係做吳到. p8 z. H: g6 Z9 I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!; E6 F7 c3 u0 ^6 K" w3 K

/ G* A4 ~! a4 o3 N* iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! f6 R7 t; x+ d8 ~0 N# J6 T4 L
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話& I$ M" M% n  n" `
因為我是情感比理性強的人) U! b3 r( N) Y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  i9 M( g" I. e& x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ M2 Q' R# [  l+ d" M% u! c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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8 ]: p. O' |1 lWhat a statement we have here?
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3 M' A9 r5 ^( cJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 [$ `8 ~% h5 G4 m+ \' q8 y7 v

$ h. P2 v! X2 o) `% q) T2 KI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ K- i( P: \$ a) t

4 k/ @! A" _9 x1 N: i% p9 I; bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; c1 L- @" _& U& _% z: F
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"* M  ^5 G% V" w+ r, B0 a+ r/ r
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 o5 y' ?% t0 q" Z, h$ ~) ]# E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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# _2 P7 R4 |( v* [it's starting because we have sins......2 B9 `8 U' Y' Z1 ~3 {7 O5 a( [
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 @0 }/ `( C" H; s- iour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 o( ~1 A* B+ ^# n' E* W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ P7 Q! w2 |! b! F0 a% q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,2 C/ O" _: s; ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% G7 O7 B  F; ]6 q
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ E1 p0 k9 L- ]. l8 Z好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. }6 E" h! Z+ e7 `+ r7 \9 N- X! i+ g% M% L
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 S- l9 N' N" ~: x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: x. t( g3 j$ S" k6 L* E

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* P# |! ^, [! K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干3 J. |/ h2 A4 i& u. Z

& C! {( j( v) o8 v5 U+ V以下是其他人的見解,
3 ^0 }0 N; U& s5 ?) P看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............+ K9 |  c! h% ~& J4 _
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!* Y1 p. x0 `% v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!3 y7 L' ^8 X/ @/ f% T

2 u7 I! @  {& g. z同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) x$ Q! ]3 g1 o+ U7 F.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) D3 G  ^7 J) w3 e$ W# J! @/ b: l* D
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....' F# x/ P8 z. F* y

  \7 d  _& y, ^  x6 u5 tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.