Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. {1 _7 c: g! z) }0 @; Z
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ ?' h, Y+ `8 o0 J又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢2 S% }6 J/ ?7 d: @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到! o- x5 n  X" e& |4 |$ E: g# _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; x. i, N* z- R- w4 A  n3 QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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4 q/ A- A- O6 K7 i  c! t) O  ^8 _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* Z5 ~( Y' \/ K7 o3 H' [; |

/ E5 s2 s$ T0 |" S8 j4 Vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 k% Z! D! L, P* l$ Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) O3 h& \% m' y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, g' x0 G3 n0 E' G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
% y0 ?( |( [  ~6 h在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& ]) S; j1 B" j8 ]6 H8 \- L
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 I: L! o8 Q9 L2 o  dWhat a statement we have here?1 a: i: E6 Z0 Y7 w
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : o3 l/ i( N: v: C% S% u

& N; B1 Z' y* O. EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. O) z* }  }$ w# K* A6 P1 U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 F) H7 E/ V9 ~+ ^, f+ Q/ m4 C7 w- _

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' a3 [7 d- i$ p% S) H4 ~建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( j$ H6 h% ^5 B: c! B"不信也沒損失": |5 W5 x5 ^+ {: D
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 I: u! O" r$ d0 [' U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 r& e. {2 H  u& p3 }
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ k3 Q' a9 M% f" ~" gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 T* {/ u9 t) K8 four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ y6 H5 O& q2 Q# W( R6 ]1 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* ]: r; H: O7 R4 Q6 r& n1 v0 [4 D
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,1 g* B/ F) i% F5 ~" k& h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ y, B' T( G" h7 P' o# N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 f/ @3 N4 O/ Z" s( X8 Y
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& q; W0 O& L' s$ |

" [! b' ]9 u# F/ U8 r( S( O+ x導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: J  I! E* H2 H2 y. {. o好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 J( A7 j) w. l. N5 Z. B# L' h( K

9 b9 z. f5 S5 W' Q2 E& s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 w+ Z2 I- W' Q; u* l& L改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* b; p. v0 w; U$ b& @) i6 r: n, s! ~0 ^
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" M7 X9 P5 N# [5 W- v0 k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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# d' o, S# K9 J; A( I2 ~- H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 V3 w: q+ J" Z" g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" f% ^7 k0 t/ J8 B0 A
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以下是其他人的見解,1 c5 [* b4 E6 [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ u1 j( d" c. K: j. J" Z! Q

" v* f  b8 h1 |! j1 M6 G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!; S( J, V2 l; {& u) D) ~" Q

9 m& O% Y+ E$ y同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 g5 O$ V! l" u# ~
.............信耶穌... ...

( Y  Q# J& g- a9 _8 f+ j: qRegarding the resurrection....
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, ?/ S2 _: a9 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 c! X2 u: c& J/ ?8 {9 c

$ c$ _, ^( t) G$ fYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.