Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. t) W4 c2 n# L5 b3 }3 x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
4 A: k  o8 r- T* d7 q" s3 ?又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" o- ?( E! ~3 ^9 B5 P' g- |+ i
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
: l  ^3 ]) b- R% P呢D就係做人的悲哀

8 x9 k7 O5 N( S5 ~8 b4 E( t3 m; J  C2 k, H
Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
/ U5 s3 t) A2 x  f" w. P- s0 i+ O& s' L. k. b4 w' v9 |9 t* D
Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 J% g2 R( G$ Q6 x) I
( R  ^# k. {" B- W  p+ K9 u$ t
mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
/ i" z* r9 o8 P
& ^$ S7 X( I: x- |% cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  \& D/ F/ J1 |/ i4 Y; |cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' [! G+ o7 F; O4 @. v& \3 A
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) j+ [2 F. }2 v2 c
真的!!這不是反話
" i: Z& k& g) a! a" y因為我是情感比理性強的人  Z7 S5 U! V( s; B  p  [% J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  o9 O( N# E0 [& L
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: [1 k; H7 U/ d7 A; ^6 k: V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
' a/ `# W4 Y2 ]) T正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* R% }% \) ^" e9 D; z, p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

+ N8 K1 C# T6 |# {& g" N% u, p7 m- \8 V" I) F6 L0 c
What a statement we have here?
' @, D" f$ P, e: w3 f4 W
# x& u. b1 x, v4 s- mJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
9 l; z  Z6 D0 U* ~# [; h: x+ G- L$ w( |5 ?$ a8 Z
I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
4 g+ ^8 Q9 J: }& `% X) |  g9 m1 p/ X- X
Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
) W; }/ D, R7 t9 a
; Z1 Y* _0 Q- X, q+ s( P9 W:cool:
  x6 V3 J1 r5 Q+ i
( }" s+ q$ _: }/ b1 y+ K2 E( Q) N, ^[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* p9 Z! @2 }* y5 r$ b! T0 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

8 p5 _; h1 q9 b& y8 @( b7 O. j- q2 T# a6 t3 B/ B6 ~
"不信也沒損失"2 W/ H5 G$ K& Q, P& q8 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....( ^1 x& m/ C1 ^- w* ^
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 J2 y* L+ A1 w! H

" @3 o5 ]" g$ m, qit's starting because we have sins......
! m+ h% G9 f/ L" m& a5 _satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 m; Q4 _0 _2 @! sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ U+ G" N8 n' u# D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; p- N) D/ y+ d4 I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
  j% ?# ]7 @: ^這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ j" S) {" @2 p* k如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- w3 ?: g$ L) ?! |0 H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
- f4 b, T- A$ y' C/ y6 i" X
2 k" {5 r1 V  l- d# E. ?1 l導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ }4 U' h- a; j4 d2 q- ~  k
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
4 u5 Y. Z7 [* W/ p$ o2 G7 a7 l2 b1 @. @" g; K3 }1 C
一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," I' l+ n# y2 m! P3 v5 K
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 i' U) v0 o+ F; Z  o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...! z& m1 g% T' y( f

! F/ W6 X1 _( D) v# ?+ ?宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具0 k2 \0 C9 L. H3 g8 k0 i

$ g! a- a. n5 D& T4 ?1 q吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,. ^' V2 T9 Y8 x1 a6 _+ R5 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 i; M2 R$ j1 s' Q
2 z; ^- }) v) p! w! c) X
以下是其他人的見解,
; u% k% P" b! h9 b6 Y4 t看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
/ L3 M5 Q: p- ?' o9 ?http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
2 C1 e' ^' ~8 T/ R& a3 c* y) \3 }' _5 w: _
[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
" w9 c( A, L* x- Q0 b! G$ a. E1 s: c
信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 E, P) r' T' X

! S0 P+ D) G  x不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
  t( m; A% f1 Y" a- G4 ~5 |6 s) l( a& _
9 t# Y" t. h# w4 S1 k8 _- P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!5 ?* }3 G/ M* }. p
8 J; @+ E' |1 J& R
同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) o4 [  B5 `# R  a. b3 Q" m% h.............信耶穌... ...

3 d+ x  l/ a. c8 WRegarding the resurrection....
! A! `7 J# O' S' K" k) i! R5 v2 `7 r% L: t# f: }: G
Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....1 H9 f3 y4 {: f" p/ a
: B+ c: ]0 J  I$ S/ z3 x. F$ Q
You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.