Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:, [- q$ B& Q) r( X) C
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 G0 }1 V# g, c% P+ F: |' l
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- j& o+ A) z1 z! kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!  p8 F5 [5 f* O2 D( }

: U' M; r; L) J& iNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  Q: C5 H# O6 I' X

% ]# Z; w1 ?2 p' Z+ D: Emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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* O1 d: t0 j9 y5 {$ ]; r5 g+ Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....! R$ K6 ~3 m# I+ |4 \  |
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! h2 n8 h& F/ ?, c+ Y9 Q% q) b' C我只不過微小的基督徒...................
& G$ ]* {* t* U0 P* M# Q真的!!這不是反話
" h8 _/ ^" `, K因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% J8 {) l; |8 ]: P6 m' z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
3 u: i; {$ t- c1 E& h4 s4 t" u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
: A" G) Z; i; _正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?$ W- Q/ y8 r: u

  J: S* O9 S. `- R- UJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; N; L8 t5 c" x# p% S4 B( O

8 P$ z# P% N1 t! a# E% SI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! ~+ j5 J8 r5 E( h# D
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 A0 V# C$ m& T$ i% X( y; s8 U
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 m, g# u1 C5 P9 m/ R"不信也沒損失"
9 V8 f5 W$ h7 [. G% ?* HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 @% u5 Q% l% nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
) \6 d5 q0 k2 qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 p& i9 R; E! C+ S0 Y5 Q( x( p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"3 o2 p5 M/ B3 v* U$ n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ S# i! h0 V/ z* a7 N6 e3 P
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 F; B7 X4 D# |6 `這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ o: e! Y% m/ |, F; T# j- j! o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,7 {/ u. d  O1 m  _
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# G' @4 _) e/ \' \/ s
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 [* O& h3 i. \* j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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0 a0 Y1 }1 Y4 W7 B- _5 }一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 Y; G9 C* y; H# I# z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 ]# H4 v+ J0 f2 C4 F9 P美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具4 E, V% O6 U5 e1 U8 d( F7 K9 ^  T
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, {* B6 i& C( b" n6 H/ ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
" s$ S: m; I% j, J; N; W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  k4 h& R" @7 v/ W) E) P* X- l
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% I, @8 v+ G! N9 K* u信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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" m) ]# v% L/ H1 M/ [% s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!, f* x9 q6 m: i' E
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# P0 G& c, e* D- P0 \' Y* F同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. i8 t* u2 J2 T
.............信耶穌... ...

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+ m4 G8 i2 q+ ~' P& Z3 WActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.