Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' ^  z% ]2 ~( \7 n" ]& p我係一個連自己都吳信的人
8 {0 Q4 i0 t6 p* {又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 H1 }- l+ Y3 f8 I( B. t8 d6 I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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( v) P* P$ J% w5 g1 r% z+ xNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!6 G6 b3 X9 l' C& Q& e
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& a$ \1 \1 `) S9 ?" e7 w
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& E. N% {/ N% L% Z( x8 q
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
" w; |; o/ E$ x0 |7 H0 ^$ {0 \1 e我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 f& `6 f: \1 F4 M5 ~
真的!!這不是反話
& V$ D% h5 W" l/ J( y因為我是情感比理性強的人+ \7 A* s3 H, M6 w
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ _1 x% A# Y( w' C. e: [8 A
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) f7 g0 o7 H1 a8 I
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 a& v8 w3 z, d# i% {. K
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# V: j, x9 S8 z% Z/ J7 N+ ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* D& O% e6 D# Q2 R  b) c
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
* r! c! g" o" q' A, f4 H$ |1 [建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- _" I( `* @8 ^# P  _0 G"不信也沒損失"
: I1 L+ e( r0 ^% I, W6 nYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... O. V' e/ F" \$ l0 y, [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......; x( N) ]( i/ h& [+ @

/ l0 g4 Z  X# Y1 o: [: Z+ {it's starting because we have sins......2 z3 S+ t" R3 L( l  u& X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - p4 t. C, E# U" \. b
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; T  U% I, G$ X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
. G& j% m3 D3 ~% s- e. d7 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
9 x6 ?- r: D7 k# `2 `2 l3 j這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 j5 r+ n5 u" E( H9 ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
4 A8 B& _* g2 p7 x" L, k而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 `& {4 X" ~" y! @+ t

- l9 y3 N' a- m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ V+ h8 l' ^1 I  U" l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,# Y) H- N6 s* d0 R1 [9 r

! B- R" O( [9 N& O一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 L, ~, q$ |8 x2 E2 a+ t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; h" r) p' N5 |6 {5 F3 Q: W
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...6 u& [3 s3 C7 h# [* M! y7 Z
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,+ L7 Q7 f$ O- X0 Y0 Q2 y* i+ ^
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 w( N: I& C/ p& i$ f0 o
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以下是其他人的見解,. S, A) s  h+ C2 G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, k! N& A/ Z: y) Y4 \9 l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% Z3 ?+ v6 E. Z

" Y& I/ v2 C9 j7 M$ W2 X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& ?' L: r/ R$ ]7 c+ F+ E# R$ i, ]
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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  O0 O8 D. p7 ^. S7 s) E3 w我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  E; t3 L( H# |) j) C* {
.............信耶穌... ...

2 v/ ~) C' r; u7 D$ I  y0 v) L. xRegarding the resurrection....$ p* z' t6 m! ~7 o+ V3 Y

  l; t$ N1 g' X. w; XActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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: `! }: j: {# n1 U* eYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.