Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" l$ U% J; h; @0 u
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ e( l- J0 `: d6 |4 h2 q% s- r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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! j; U0 r+ c8 h8 U: ^0 E/ aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ j3 K0 X# g; [1 D$ R2 j2 |
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 N! l+ L' c2 }, rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) A# }3 l2 [' ~: T+ j
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
- N1 _2 l& Z$ w' |) U我只不過微小的基督徒...................) s2 v* E, |5 v6 b( |% L. a
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ |7 [) N$ e% x! f; M2 J$ \) U5 d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
5 x" R, ]1 k3 Z, c: _6 X( p8 Y在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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* B8 {: Y; i) C: ~What a statement we have here?% D( B, F1 h/ k/ }0 W& k% V
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! n" v, a# T" x  z7 _, d' X

7 S+ I! r/ W/ i( x: RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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, f1 ~" n! k* N8 oLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  M" M+ B8 C# j9 q6 V

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ u7 H$ N& i8 [, e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 s  K( a/ t* h: R# c$ p"不信也沒損失"# A6 p- t* {( i& E
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 \# W9 |4 R* N4 g8 J6 X
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......./ o" M8 ?) G5 k2 J
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it's starting because we have sins......
8 p: Q" H# X+ G% a$ C) t8 rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* H2 G% B! L! |' v$ ^8 your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# R" X+ s4 A& H% i. T# E
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ {; v5 e! ?& z, t# u; t用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 t8 w% Y1 P2 e- k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 _, o7 z" x; c0 U; b4 _: @* O如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,( K  L3 x/ i  N4 u/ d
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~! ]  ^* p5 q! c: s( A! X  |9 r; ?

/ s1 i/ B. u8 O2 u. h導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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' r0 {. w! I/ l6 e5 x- W1 ^以下是其他人的見解,
+ c2 {4 w! H" u9 ]: g# Y* Z, I8 F看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤* f1 E4 Y6 M" j: q! N/ I
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. u% \0 j7 Q. f( ~* r9 R6 b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 `' I/ h* v- I

& G" X, J/ P, F  c$ e. }不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 j3 g( f# y, j7 V

* _) Q* m: H' R% N$ _5 i: y" [我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....$ ?7 [% U1 i8 [1 C0 U

  D8 g2 t, R( I! _# V; BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....7 O9 x" X: D" A5 v6 b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.