Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" a  m6 @5 ?; R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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6 R6 t+ n4 Z0 t- Y6 U道理我知道好多只係做吳到9 J5 V; D) p0 K1 m
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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- |. w, q: _/ F* S( ~+ E. wNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!# ?, K8 [; x) @+ O3 e

7 k% y) L0 t! r, m7 x3 a6 r% sNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- l/ d9 Q$ }9 z. e4 C6 ?5 M% @  n

( i9 e. U7 t! A  A  T8 t1 [7 emr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" C' ?+ H- e  N& jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
2 {! F- Q, e8 b3 K我只不過微小的基督徒..................." h9 X8 u8 S, E" Y
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ b3 E- K. z  O5 n& _
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& X3 [  }( G" O. w6 U在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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" Z0 U' Z8 t$ U% \/ A6 I& v6 `Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 _: H! g7 w7 w' }; |+ [
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ P  o& m; o) R! i6 ?" FLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ W9 C4 u5 U: y' w$ o$ ^* w( O, n7 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". H% U* {; O" v) r, x  [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....* d3 U8 }- |4 {, L
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
- s9 f- N8 E3 c, j  l4 Z& ssatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. ]6 G6 A: k; K8 V% X2 Y( oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: k: N' Q* J3 X# v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# c1 Z- U' X' |9 r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,4 _9 v6 {- x6 ~1 S0 @" h1 G1 x
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! H0 I: p5 e0 O$ v如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 M1 B/ c# Y' W2 @而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; U' s& X& O" p* u

+ A; @  {3 y! v2 f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 F" c: J* {+ p4 }7 j9 w3 N- Y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. |0 g' q+ ~3 C3 W0 S) r% e

" C- o0 E* E* m# `7 L一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 y8 J4 Q  B) s. f- u5 ~
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! W5 e  x: ]" d/ l& ?
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 n, b. z( T$ K' n/ `

3 [9 l* @8 K0 o# R+ i9 i以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............* g" z, i. K8 b' j' a( m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!2 _% C" e! _$ W1 g) W3 d
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, T& e7 P" |6 _2 Q+ {! C0 e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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7 B) s! t1 g3 A: u同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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  ^) N) ^- s0 g& O9 W9 a+ P: }Regarding the resurrection....
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$ a: e" j  D$ n+ TActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.