Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ h* A/ X' K/ }; p' g! z' |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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; a2 R5 {+ D( a- ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到# s/ K% M8 J9 k/ J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 }) S1 g+ O0 t' @. [  P, c& Kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 x4 A6 A/ {$ G, f- w4 X$ f

  @, [4 p: \. M% a$ t; _* g- l: P8 w8 \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 K5 w0 a5 P! i- i8 qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% e+ l8 ], I! w! a" o7 K1 ]我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 v; n4 O/ h+ _# G7 L. C( [真的!!這不是反話, T3 ]8 A! N/ T$ m' E# A0 u! ^& G
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," `6 i$ {7 @1 a5 R+ M: ^! x2 z
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 _! E/ r) G+ z5 ]9 F  S$ o
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 j9 I: ?- x5 ^7 V4 U! s9 P
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  [0 ?& z; n' {* e! z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  @' m: q/ l& q0 x$ @8 I

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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.. R$ l2 Y; R' |2 @' }
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 k. G* r0 ~( P3 z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! }( n6 M( `+ Z# u2 ?0 C"不信也沒損失"
& _' R+ E* @: u, G/ uYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ s2 \( O0 B$ z4 Y. w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* A6 e. L& y& `1 u; C- N3 Y1 C% b
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it's starting because we have sins......9 f/ Y9 j, N/ Z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 I" v! Y/ ~; ?% Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
9 E) _/ h. A3 i$ {3 ^; x) ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,0 z4 x  P( F3 Y9 E( T7 u. ?7 |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 H8 }% x% _5 ^( C/ x. L這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全- f% y& y' v. g; l/ s' o
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 X: d+ p; \& D( U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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, E: O7 `  G( E7 U5 j  Z導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,8 `5 R7 D2 n3 R  i% q6 M/ d
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 L4 C" r% W9 v& o$ q: {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 @! I+ H1 I8 b' u/ W改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ m  @* J! b9 {& |# g, \8 t美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...1 [/ C0 k" u. i6 e0 ], I
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具+ v9 q' U7 U5 U, F, S5 `- x( W; I3 ?

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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干! L' H6 Y3 N% D
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以下是其他人的見解,
  F( E, M; [% r# Q# z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 W5 I/ a- C7 ~9 G" k) K( n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( y1 I% T8 J- |3 F. A

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!& Y4 G3 E0 N8 W

$ w8 e6 p* @6 }! q0 O( {; }我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 F1 R4 g8 A; t/ N

2 \) G  k, z5 |! `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* M+ u1 o+ ?, a& k$ I
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....( F& p7 i4 j$ Z( B

0 H' h- F1 B" l* @% j. MYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.