Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# P7 }  [& f: ]" u% N- F我係一個連自己都吳信的人% D" O! w; @8 s  M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 k" }1 }. t* x4 W' x道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ B( Q! Q0 v9 _; i+ R
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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3 S% F4 P# f8 Ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: W% U6 J2 [* i+ U  |  U8 q2 g
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" ^* v7 K" o5 l0 n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................: y4 T) z: I6 {/ G
真的!!這不是反話
# [! l0 g1 i! ]! p因為我是情感比理性強的人: o# G  P7 U% H4 r  |: q! Y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ ~, O3 v" R3 z# g' \$ f
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 e0 e: }: s" ~. q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...6 R. t; o" F4 `/ s' F( N7 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ y. c1 j+ s6 i. q' T7 i+ y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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5 T2 W$ ^3 ?5 u7 i6 LWhat a statement we have here?) Y! N4 Q2 ~' j2 b0 t
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # g& \9 h# e9 u; v* D3 `# F
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' }) K/ Y9 J5 O/ g# O. e/ V

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, ~# G; `- \+ F- J+ }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ v, Q5 O7 x4 N2 G+ t8 M
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- V! `, Q3 B5 Y; ^3 E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......2 ^1 z! D1 w, s- q  F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 }$ ]6 S: t1 j0 D$ G( {( b9 `  }
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- y2 |4 x$ U+ z# {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- C2 ?$ L" E. [+ n! a! y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' o4 |3 l, {: K  O, S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. \3 b7 C; f5 \- @
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: K% U" v. j4 ~. s* p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 b2 D6 B, Y* J4 A

  ~" a0 E! u' K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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: b% Z2 @5 O  R  H一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
% }/ g6 G  W" K5 x改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ H7 f* A; T# _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 L. S+ P8 m( T7 I% `6 |

' T7 d8 }6 I3 U( N* x) G7 M+ ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! }& R2 U$ E4 x2 P" W  m. f6 p- q" {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............8 ^# I" Q" J8 C, U0 q( m/ R3 w

' b- i' g$ l  a. w/ T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& [1 @# h+ {6 ^; e  m- c# j' ^. a7 Q: d

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  U: t; `  i" E5 R+ N2 d, e, f我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( @, U  c1 F0 J( G! ^" n
.............信耶穌... ...

% G1 q! J# b- y1 SRegarding the resurrection....4 c& o2 `( X& F% _: X( o0 S9 R1 w% W

( n/ j. U" {* U) ~5 VActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 k3 K, B) U* E# c$ a; {. XYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.