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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; t, c2 s2 |0 X# e
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
# [, e  g: m/ ~4 V; D2 o6 f  VI was so confused.....
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so銀行可以不斷放款( Q  K! U8 h: w7 C- M
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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/ ?+ y" \" K' J# l; W9 fmortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)$ g( k4 F6 ^$ c( B# \6 w& T
>arranger
1 \* J# f' B$ e! H4 V9 `9 X/ V1 r>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation), E' w1 y* {# [1 a- E
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
8 X* P! J) c/ s/ tCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,; \5 K  @: ~( l( s
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.0 N7 K4 y8 ?% V  d1 ^0 A
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ j3 A+ t) G9 x6 c3 F( n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
+ m+ y4 i) C: @1 }Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
8 G7 @* _. z* Asimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; j, ^0 Q. c0 `; {0 Pnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( K+ b) U  `3 D6 v  y0 s* [eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. * u4 A# m( j4 C$ J+ {2 U3 T  H9 j
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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. q* n4 t, O' j; Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% i. |+ D) i, ~1 ?4 {
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
8 T6 V/ a0 Y1 N$ QFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 Q( A' w0 m4 S1 s+ b" l, F- N1 s
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: ?6 P3 K- l  ~* s4 _
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. / a9 P. Q0 {3 T) e
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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0 E, u: r/ K- |% u3 Z* b[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& J0 a* T5 G, n- a  ]1 t. l) SRefer to last example,
( k! [, L' t. p! Ithat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ' Q6 O% n! E. l  a# J4 m& R
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ) N( L. K- L6 q! {1 |" a  E1 ?- n
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
+ Q$ R4 O+ `" |" {! Zso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
3 @( c/ _5 O+ J6 ball the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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/ [" S: P3 A" x) ]- ]: j# Kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  v0 z; k# X3 `4 O1 p, zin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
8 F% k! c: {4 j( ait's the problem of the debt itself.
3 y; x( P0 n" }7 w1 L+ M8 Ethe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! U. a+ }3 o3 E; q0 w6 |: v) u小弟一直都唔明...
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7 u- e, Q1 E* P% b& ~, p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...& J, q/ f# S3 q2 g$ C
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敬請各師兄解答6 ?# l6 ]4 T1 O- }, [' G0 V: |
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  / y; z; x) U- u: i* G$ N: s
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
/ y& M: L) `( J8 y6 _當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# x. f, B0 m& O  P% a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 B8 X. }" a8 w個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
. {# ]; S$ B  H9 t/ r+ ], Q扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,5 o6 J6 N1 x8 u: A- K
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
+ Z) }; ^5 x( s% F前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
, h7 O4 `  r9 V0 o6 Y同埋個市場既前境要係好先得5 q0 L5 V* w5 Q4 u- S
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 r' s' g& I5 X2 M9 v例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 d4 c. k  z$ `4 T) v6 I
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%4 ^  x' ]8 V2 P$ X3 E0 @4 G* B3 C
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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  I6 X6 n! ]: }' u. K你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
/ W/ e5 J5 |6 Z0 d* P但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 ?2 p  x2 D% K- W7 r淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
" E  `& y" S- X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" D& `! e  Z9 B) o. w* Q3 q8 c) t- F
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; v6 \  L  d7 y; m
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 4 ~5 S5 \5 u  k
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣' M' f1 O& O  g$ Y# e
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業5 `/ @1 i( L' u7 i. O
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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( b6 k3 c6 ]- M, v再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
1 O+ u1 G' @5 l* y5 z; z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) ]( ?5 m- H! |. V; X) s  R一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
; q+ Y3 E! Q' J編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  d' ]5 ^- y8 R! J咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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! {) ^$ t. \* V* l# n" g- X其實係...! E- V; C% }7 f' e) G$ F
因為以前未生產, 先消費
% {1 s5 b; ?1 L2 F1 _8 H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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