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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% e- i% k/ W8 _0 F8 KWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
6 U% P$ F+ L, ]+ Y+ iI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢; K5 L1 o: V  i0 Q3 Q
so銀行可以不斷放款" L3 i5 Q, @! V6 m
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ ?4 c, ]$ X4 y/ l$ F7 ?* U2 Y/ K
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)# l9 C# h# `" I
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.6 P( F8 n* x' @9 o2 _0 j: ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& A) H, }$ X! ]- V4 k
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
: X( g8 n0 ^" U% _main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,. _! b6 z1 c% R; _& s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
' m# p9 ~& I! `( S2 f7 UAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency." m& d; o- @& e9 i8 y# P
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,4 {& c1 c' `4 S6 e1 P: d
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 8 g8 @( \/ V( u2 Q3 r5 W( w
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' F5 w$ {. a. U4 r: Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
9 V' ]3 H" {6 n- d* D$ {$ Oin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.- T9 Y  G5 o' F
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 r/ {0 P  k( n1 H$ ^% R, ^" F1 O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.: a3 c/ F9 U9 v, d" @
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. # i- z# X, ?. G
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# f& S9 R; g# U9 m& c
Refer to last example,
& U% Y* K6 |5 \) t2 k0 jthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 N( E, H$ P5 P; a
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
* t3 X( N7 f& m7 H: Htherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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5 x0 h* H- i9 L: e$ d1 ~, i9 ~1 NA->B->C->D->E% l* c# q2 Q7 t9 p  ^
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ' V) Y+ B8 f  Y3 V6 c/ b
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
- @$ t) D. f4 ]. R/ a. i; Y3 Oin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
7 M6 _4 w) N3 h3 U& H% _it's the problem of the debt itself.% e* X2 s6 o0 r) E- E  M2 F( K; I
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 M9 Z; C6 [2 w/ r- g7 z8 d
小弟一直都唔明...
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$ [1 J0 \( y+ m! _8 m9 p全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 v* o9 U8 w# b" q" l
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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( ?. s) |) Q' x* H敬請各師兄解答5 t; z) t" e- z5 a1 h: v9 x
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Thanks
+ R' Q1 K8 X  _8 }9 P那些根本係 紙上財富  ) C- `7 Z" @; J& Q! [/ \- w
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic3 g) r& m1 u" J4 L
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
6 z0 i3 r! C9 y. ~" o$ d6 ?當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  \8 b) Q6 `5 D" d" Q% F
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊. H/ U1 Z! }) E8 Y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
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計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* o7 X+ a! _: l9 L前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法' o: \' e% j8 ]! e7 f, D: c
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
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例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, + U9 b8 [( g& p7 p1 ]: O: o
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
5 ^' E( Z3 L( P2 _* I& k所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁0 U, v# u1 I' G# ^0 G) l

- c% A' J+ O/ m你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
# k# ~8 i* T' d2 `9 t! E但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. U# M7 |8 s3 r' [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* H% l6 i7 P4 J' U8 q& m
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業0 P; m  U% S8 J) l+ k$ j* p) h; Y
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢6 m% P9 Q4 L% r! E, D6 y3 x# |* c6 D
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( W. |! n9 y& ?6 v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  o5 n# s4 z1 N# D7 X2 x一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- C6 y( P  B. Z6 u( i
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
# R! h0 A0 D2 V  L  o0 V" `咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費3 N7 v" d9 V7 g' F! o* \
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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