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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- v) N5 k' {/ b3 _9 l& o! eWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???& r& l9 C& s. ?8 s/ L* C, A4 U% ^' `7 o
I was so confused.....
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( x$ \2 ^$ h/ M5 m/ k講到尾都係賺錢) w8 K8 Q% ~( Q5 Q8 v4 \# X! F
so銀行可以不斷放款& n* M  j: w- T
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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9 j: N0 J; u/ [6 }3 i) pmortgage loan ( p% g+ W$ l( |  O# R, ^' {
>conduit9 `5 D) _" T3 J8 }4 V9 v
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  u8 ^$ C! M: j6 @- X# h  L, f
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ f: E  f! d1 F5 N' ~
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,) T) B' Y' S# D4 w5 G& j1 m* _
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
7 l$ n* C9 f; d4 P. O) ]# Amain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
" T7 e, S2 K- O- W0 i) s: K) zin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.+ p1 `/ B% Z, D4 ?4 Q$ {+ b  s
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.2 ]0 Q( c% ^: J1 ]3 ?& Q
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 |* e: ]5 r) f
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 l5 K9 @% Y$ A% x2 Heg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
, ?/ B# o* Q- s8 tbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 n9 {7 ]" j) h- ~$ L, d

. G) i" @/ ]# |5 G# T$ mim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
$ Y& ]' s7 [' u0 l+ n- d1 Cin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
& j4 Z2 r" h8 A# ?5 h, F& E7 xFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- r1 |  e  r* d: k# R4 B. @+ L% J
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.- A) k3 ^- ?9 O; _8 c
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 Y* Z; D, N% `( U0 a; sbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.7 D7 _) R, X8 \6 B/ |

, [6 B7 U2 f& x% C* W3 z0 ^6 n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" [( u  `4 Y$ r0 B& V. u( r; O1 v+ A
Refer to last example,
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( ~+ g- a+ G  [( _! h4 yBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand - B8 d0 U% U! r) [9 f2 p* C( L) X
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E0 ^9 `. V7 d# \
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
  r: Y# u) [7 Qall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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% ?( t# i1 ^* n( s: d. }the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, $ v4 W0 N! s, r6 R& @) C3 c2 l& I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 2 U* e# C0 y% w* R+ }) W
it's the problem of the debt itself.& k& c0 X2 M4 \1 K) W$ _2 [
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  k! e: D. P: \8 N' D3 s小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?" E) S! a( D- p' F' @$ _+ X& P- a
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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) R* O# u% K2 l( O: N/ A敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
5 P0 [1 L6 O6 ]( n: C. }; [各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產+ V2 `7 ?: `) j$ g/ q
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
) V5 Y5 Z9 x$ K7 @於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 z& n8 C: c0 ~+ A$ w* H: j個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# w' @' |3 i& v! c1 _
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,: I1 q8 l7 o, w/ X' d
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺$ n2 i: L/ B' O  f) d' C; B
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 X5 Z/ b  d$ T3 Q7 |同埋個市場既前境要係好先得- P  M( j, z' ^
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
! N1 g5 ^0 S* u2 R( }( F例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
1 F" {( e, h: Z, t+ `/ `6 s咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, }! n0 {8 |( T7 Y7 k8 \; }
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, : Z, d9 i3 I. C
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , ~+ U8 W4 `: I. `2 \8 C3 r6 X
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,   ^0 e) |- S1 E- I
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. c; N. A8 t, |( P+ d唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% K. U4 Z* D# }) p- ~) p+ c" @淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 4 @& g: ~. Q( _2 i8 c) r
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. y, x8 ~8 b: q( z1 _4 w
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
) Y" a- u9 G$ `% a/ [3 ~* h3 B其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
9 H5 W- c8 U, O分分鐘佢地唔使還錢/ R5 H; ]) G- B) p6 \' S) X+ n
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) V9 D# y; d3 I
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 I  Y( {0 G+ z& Z) i& z- O6 T- H
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產; a$ P" \% g) ~6 U8 F
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
& ?  R0 `$ O( _% K, b, y( G咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: b4 h$ g  J& P! b1 }
因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ S& l+ r$ L1 N& \而家就要多生產, 少消費
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