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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:% o3 U- {% \( }/ v: p. E, M5 U

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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# f/ s; t; T4 A( \but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 _3 Z" _3 b5 x2 m, b. S( ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; g& |  W+ J# y- b3 Q

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" j% m4 V: b+ b9 g
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- W, r/ u, q: p/ ^5 ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( Y2 q( @' P7 X+ x# x8 x
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, r" `; a% \0 L$ w其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾---># h- Z5 u2 V" x3 P& t; k5 c# r% n
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維& ^# ?' i+ s7 @6 B% O; j7 ?% e
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:* r. p3 Q' K! n: A
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:0 s# x4 z$ Z( i

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ }  i; X+ O9 ]# r

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* n$ C" a6 @" z! x$ q. E) fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:# t8 N/ F( ?7 |+ e8 k

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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