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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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8 e) e! A% a# N: _. o9 O9 U# M3 e6 z智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

7 x  H+ q- T3 j4 j4 R) ebut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:6 x- C1 F; E, q* [0 U
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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& G: A: a# A: B% P7 e. y  fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.9 q5 d. {% G& f7 q  ]4 m
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:' s/ t2 R3 m$ |
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& w2 N8 e& {6 |- M" i$ PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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: R2 m! ^+ W* s0 Z) G6 g8 K其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus; h3 s. e3 g* ~, l/ ?: Y

; M% j6 g" _; z3 T6 x% R- {# J智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->- r3 T2 a9 m* i& g* I

" P9 U# z/ M) `軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維7 A! ]" V( k, ?. R

9 o; B# T- s/ O7 r( f6 t- D5 n政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.+ R) F5 e6 z; l! I( j& o: F- ~- w

! b0 t8 [% @: x8 c6 r打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 E/ D8 p! ]7 H. g5 h( P( h/ l

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ W& M$ B1 `, Z6 |* V/ v
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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4 Z" n" g$ s8 R( o3 KAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:- u& Y) W$ n- G8 ]) _/ @1 @" z

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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3 }7 f+ z1 m3 A; \  u' C2 z他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:2 t8 z) d% D9 h2 D/ R( G

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& C0 C/ P% T& A
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......