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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ M( n! g% Y  E4 K# K# j
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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/ |2 `0 i$ {! zbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:( q( S5 L% R0 ]" `5 t! q$ X. U0 R
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7 }. t0 J' U2 G1 L; H' V& `4 bBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:" q6 a+ ?3 Y0 s' k5 F1 s
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why?  F. j  Y5 [0 H" g2 B$ V

2 t2 {/ O5 u. }! K/ ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus$ U5 k; M# |& H8 z8 b, B$ p: G
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( C. r, I! l" M; M2 [" W/ Y7 u

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 R8 c1 d8 o; n7 o; ^3 i
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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$ |- V% s/ Y. o- dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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, x1 Y1 z: E- ?Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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, w9 @' I# V& G- `. C3 I) @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:. n# A* `8 ^6 }/ [8 t- M5 [
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7 v$ i2 G: |: V  I他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 l2 y  f$ b8 z6 J/ F+ ^

, g8 w8 p8 v( p7 byes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......