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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, Q% q' K8 e7 v$ u/ u9 w: ?! N
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6 u* v) A! k3 Y# G; z, I智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- i9 p! v6 g/ Z: ^

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.( A- {2 a7 \2 ~* M- b- _/ B& @

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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+ f( @  P, T+ Y5 aBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:& x- E; D1 `1 S) {8 J/ {, e

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why?
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3 C1 b" W+ X" p, J( a$ `其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 c. S. K2 f: X2 C& c
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.& P  G4 s. V! a+ ?9 C* s: v
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' F0 T* H$ ^) Q# l- t% ]8 d5 C6 p

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
" [& J  G1 K; U6 GIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:  v+ F2 y8 Y4 A, a' d1 [

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* }8 r- X$ Z0 ^2 T5 O
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5 M* k+ ?; M- \7 E$ [Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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3 ^4 M7 w! r/ @- @3 B* J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:6 u) D+ }# e' ]! D

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ V& {, g1 J6 L0 t& u1 M

6 Q* N/ i0 i: l3 z% ^3 t: V+ p7 Ayes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......