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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' H0 k' w4 _5 a+ N. @! F
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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1 l9 G7 r  Z7 E  m( {( d7 r0 w/ B  nBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 }5 l# \) X1 _: g2 ]1 V. [! L

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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  l5 {! i4 h* Bwhy?
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( n+ u9 ]" N* i其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( @% y& ^- W- g$ F$ L( X  S& l) ^
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why?
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- T6 j1 Y- t. k7 X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus: l4 Z* a3 |3 ~! |

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2 r5 d4 t1 X1 Y軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
2 n! _8 J: m) kIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 O$ F. Q% b' G9 @: D
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他比孔明更偉大

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# }1 f% ]/ c. `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 k" X# s5 L1 E3 L6 w0 e# \- s
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) R6 K. \+ D* l- z) ~' o0 uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% E- @; d. {6 V) U/ x
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' A! P0 W; f- j5 d% h2 N他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:) E4 T  }( I1 V/ e; j' {
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yes, that's the point.

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