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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:, w& P+ s& s) a
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, _8 K0 E5 a% M+ |- v& |; Z4 W
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) g7 f) Q( y5 s2 Q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* W1 H3 k$ U8 i+ j
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. w1 g8 s2 M0 v4 g$ dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus1 J; W# D/ L( W& s

, Z/ _( B) y7 x智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->3 z" Z# r9 m) T* Z1 T

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 \) [  ~" c7 V+ S, W( l! r
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% j7 [2 k4 ^# w+ C: J9 S7 R
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: }8 I3 b* ~9 D/ v6 P
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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5 T9 H: F+ Z: O6 S他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- ]' ~" \! e& n+ K
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

( i1 f! a9 s& ^- N$ wyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......