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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" c  }$ u6 b% ~* f( D* {5 ~3 N! S

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! |/ u* \& J* ~1 O6 a. h5 y

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1 t" Y. P4 {$ I% Y. TBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:# o( ]8 c" N$ J$ A6 b# R9 K; B) k, Y, Y
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- I5 z' g- |7 m& i2 S* kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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2 c6 o8 p: W# y其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus/ |* M4 I: K* V7 c" l8 O7 V5 r
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->. N& ~4 ~7 _% x" g: t/ r4 A+ |: S+ P

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3 v8 @  z. j1 @% y* s1 u, w打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, }7 [2 L4 ~0 k" P  kIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:6 {+ l* s  v7 y: B

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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; Z/ w$ M" }6 u# c) ]+ B8 H2 k他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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0 x5 _0 |; H$ t' J! @; U他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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