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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& ^. s) S' {/ n. i6 G

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 O5 ]: k( y% P8 i& n0 p; ^( D9 B

6 Y3 J( q( T- x' Z$ X. R8 i, qbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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- c3 |  J& o% ~3 L& SBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 Z" `! ]' X3 g6 D) f1 V: ?; K

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:7 g2 Y: W* L. n- O( Q$ ?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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5 V1 }2 e+ h7 D0 ~# c+ a# k智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->1 g" D2 c2 X! D
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.5 K+ K9 o, n( c% _1 D$ f
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
9 A+ [1 E8 B. l! J/ H5 N5 w7 vIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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& @7 I1 n3 z9 DAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; Z) g2 w/ m5 D7 d, [4 O
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# ^9 B  q% f% h3 B8 ~; F" q他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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