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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# x, d' @2 \' T

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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) y6 ]& g; t* L; v0 L- FBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:8 Z* s+ b7 r" y# i5 L8 M. u

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# l# s7 Z* |6 I) gBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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5 ]/ t" ?  o! [0 ]; r- A其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:2 E1 Y- S1 }0 `/ I# b: i4 X
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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' q3 f5 @. D; H5 _, {( S智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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! L0 J9 s+ }1 t( f# X+ N7 Z打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.' h% x6 g4 t! R( F) g7 p( ~& r0 q
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, a$ N" s4 w/ S' E% Z/ }In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:/ m. o- Z+ Y9 S7 d0 \/ j7 ]

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:! o- ]- g/ B& t; M! m

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......