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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:  p$ M' q) e1 h- w1 o
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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( Z6 \9 g9 `  wBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+ j+ L5 \4 Q/ G

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:1 D/ |3 U- y( ]- K: A$ {; J# v# B! O- c

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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& k" [- a1 \1 l/ b3 r7 l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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- ^$ q- T, W; l其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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[ Last edited by 機密 on 2006-1-30 at 09:56 PM ]

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:+ o7 ?7 H" q; ?: G- U! ?8 i; C
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:$ }7 E# {# S1 h: Y1 f
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! ^2 ?5 `, D7 A8 p1 JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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! ^+ n$ |3 [/ f- t) u% l他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: ?/ K) y* j4 S( U, x  B/ ?; F5 S' C

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3 G7 ~( i0 p4 V6 m# T他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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