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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:* h' X% k# u  s3 a+ a* a

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.. t2 `3 Q7 M2 T$ k+ D' I8 _2 o

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:) H2 F$ s) \( Q+ r
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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, K% J/ U# Y8 R& @. ]- l& A2 C2 ?軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* |9 m. h  d* c: j$ h' v- @/ P* [
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, ~5 _& k8 R: \" i3 s6 z, q  eIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- |( d' r/ H' _9 w' a
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:% T  @& E) ~) I6 ~
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! o6 z* L0 |+ W4 wAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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' B2 x% z$ t  n0 K. ?他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:6 ]  J! V7 U' o9 S) m  d6 J3 D% q

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