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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 Y5 I, d; [5 T1 C

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:! u1 F( E8 g5 C' G
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0 @$ i* o% A* n5 L$ a# d9 v, o. p

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:  S! Q. ^3 P2 m3 j& O+ r

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. I+ ~. ?( h! W$ |. L  dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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9 m4 H7 x5 P" _0 g其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->! r2 K* M/ ?" U* b: I; G9 J
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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; z9 ^8 h- r( x0 u% G2 P6 N* O6 Z7 B政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.$ b- O* t; Y4 ^0 K

; I. |# [9 y7 ~打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! G# B" ^5 |& g. l; A7 p5 F
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:1 R3 r4 Z9 P4 `, Y- E" j
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:: X: N  i( u8 I3 M

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2 D1 V2 [/ ^8 j" ^; P  r8 h他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:2 U6 U6 F9 P. Y+ a9 Z# w* f
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, A: W, y! k( ~  w6 {Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  x2 b5 s+ u: F9 x  d" w6 [他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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3 k$ r% N0 _7 f7 s: o' K他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:1 |2 `" p+ Q7 L# b, e2 g

5 Q0 y, J# t6 n- hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......