Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 q: j8 a, ?/ f
道理我知道好多只係做吳到  D: Y) l5 E7 A
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, Z9 t& n# c0 W6 PNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....1 @4 ~. k* ?$ ]. T- X

8 |+ p% p$ [. M# Z1 J( d* O0 {& `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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. e) W& @& R, u5 K' }: ~struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!3 [' b. U: o, l
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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0 d/ V& C- ?# e/ g! E& }3 ]因為我是情感比理性強的人* |8 l7 f! Y) }- B
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: Z' |4 H- `+ |6 t; Q, e. {6 m
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 u% R3 e3 Q2 P! q. x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; z; p* f5 Z$ `What a statement we have here?
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% L1 G0 w* g8 p7 w/ oJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ n% a( K2 c2 o

9 Z$ `+ e; v, v! l  zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  S# j+ g6 p/ u! e; H: i, \
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:2 s  G' q  L' ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 Q( G* q2 o! E! S! n6 mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 D8 v9 h, E  @! zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- B  ^8 l+ M0 l; F
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it's starting because we have sins......
! r: A. |) j9 p$ W) l; x+ Z6 h$ wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- s% S* _  I2 }" \0 sour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"6 V% C" y1 A9 z( r  s7 V
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: ^+ ^: |$ Z: V& m, Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- [' [: d/ u5 @  W7 k  A這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& d, P. @+ u  \# {% B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 i; z; I9 \) P$ q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 a4 f% G3 H$ \8 A& I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& L! W: H6 f8 w& d* _3 O0 V好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 e' A& c! b& c. w
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 \8 O3 r( g% U9 ~& n
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法- p: @4 R* j( F3 f3 K, @
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...( w* w8 L! f1 s8 D" [" R
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; o2 Z: }; `3 E* C7 q
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. u% n& j2 r: M9 x! ]$ ~8 _1 D

! v  C" t8 W7 }4 a* n以下是其他人的見解,( m5 I# _1 R: r8 o: g% Q$ O
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' L( r5 B  d, ]* t2 R5 W
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 \- a9 ]% c: a# J  j7 q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 [3 w1 A% [6 A8 U

' ?; W9 d# {/ N7 O% |  m我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 u. f9 R" |" H0 J& m/ o- b
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 _# p$ A  D$ I4 M.............信耶穌... ...

- n' ^# l; u9 |Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  }% ~, [$ g1 N/ vYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.