Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
. Q5 g: m3 `, j) n0 g- p5 K我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ O1 y% }& s. x, r# h
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 X& t3 ^: `6 g9 x6 a' A
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ J; r+ I4 T% W) v8 v6 W( s& c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, Z3 D. y1 E1 U$ Z# t0 ?
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' T$ s4 N/ K2 b- j2 h! i

' ~8 n8 D; R& h* T6 K. _mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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# {6 o* S5 F4 n( n/ {& R( u) j- Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" r. I) M1 T" Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  e6 w$ j4 A0 H' K' s& G我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 B/ w/ U2 @9 E1 y真的!!這不是反話
. ?/ t# f4 \. w: W9 |0 ^9 q' e; C. B" {因為我是情感比理性強的人2 F. @' m: w# p* o* O- p+ E' J& l) ~1 J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. B2 T5 J4 I. V# n. L% t: Y! n
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ S' e" L7 r5 [3 Q) a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" b" L  k) N% T0 Q9 Z$ R" w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 @) J( b3 S0 G9 r! }What a statement we have here?
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4 x% G* @! p7 p* h: h1 j6 ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ P" l% P" H# Y3 I4 M5 p$ E* ZI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ \4 T8 T1 i- L8 `' @* m4 Y# c
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 Q5 E8 {, F* I0 Q0 [8 ?% U
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: k) m. K! B) c5 Z$ w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"9 B" ?# d: y5 a. U8 S3 ?+ x
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: E7 Z) N3 v; ~  Y
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......+ p8 p# U( R; Q$ c2 F" V8 Y3 R  [& d( {

+ d7 {: Z) Y8 kit's starting because we have sins......- F& N# F8 d. q6 @! ~7 t' }' e3 Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' a( [' C/ `2 T. N' Cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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9 b6 ~. {, @$ u# B用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,& U/ E: O/ ^7 C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ V$ n6 d7 m! x' U$ W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, N% w( G4 `# @5 I4 |  x' T- v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# [1 j( y! l$ V' ?( C, C2 I! z. P

7 i1 r0 g7 Z$ y- v' Z7 h7 ~* Z# {導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Q" {9 ?& R0 E7 ]
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,5 `  L9 c, D: u5 H# t; l! i
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
% Z' C  z: _9 V, o* [; [* q6 v美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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+ s3 j: ?% s% k宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具( y% X, h. u. U; y. x

% b& w% Y2 O# G  ]% m3 [" o# X/ t吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 C3 Q8 e, ~9 f7 ?& }2 I
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) c9 B0 j* s+ |: N1 c

) C9 W# y* F) L* [- ~6 n: }" Y以下是其他人的見解,* N  d& f; X% J, S& ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤/ L& W' [6 ?* t6 o2 i
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm! i; y1 q) \/ \  I
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 \# a- d3 S2 L( D信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 @( a: a! L6 m" J# s7 K

; a6 S, _) `, l+ B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" K9 G# v) y" d
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 _3 H7 j0 S4 o7 W, g, ?

$ y6 s# q! z* l) D7 n$ ]& m同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
3 k5 v8 t8 O+ y8 v, i! ^.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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1 j! n& S: p4 d" o) t; UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.