Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
4 `8 }  p' F( E) _我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 I8 h" |) L: i( I% P- A% c. r
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- q8 _1 i' x) a7 D, T- h8 K) y道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!5 V# p& ~  s8 A4 i6 \* Q7 v4 z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 j  w, o7 ^, i5 Z' H
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' d. `: m$ d7 T8 h8 ^' q

* G6 l. q+ t- j+ x# U( n0 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!# e5 F4 C5 A. P) ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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; Z7 ~& e/ F5 i2 f因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 s5 e4 o9 H$ t所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
: J+ t6 U; o# h( T- S$ X) V* b以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 v5 R* m( c6 H在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...% U- l. L7 F) Y4 ?& X9 ~6 [" f3 D
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 f( H5 C' a0 o# Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! ]; s$ o8 G" C, J! F3 D0 UWhat a statement we have here?
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& a# z$ M5 i! S$ H& i1 K% \Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 |$ Z. D7 L. }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.2 I/ O6 t( O, i+ \! {( D- P

0 a/ e( ?9 e+ eLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
4 [) a; M% f; y6 o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"7 c* ?3 z% `7 Q# y' M% H& ]# S# r2 e
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 [% C1 V! S, F- Y2 o: T- U
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 Y& k8 ~9 `/ m+ ?% A! i5 \

, d& C* N* B1 lit's starting because we have sins......
. W. T, m0 ]* a/ i1 d2 c: \1 Dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 0 b! u" u) }; Y3 C" k$ O' U
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 l) U$ d/ X2 a只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
+ \0 N2 ]. S9 Q8 N  i5 p用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 H4 f5 `8 G4 e, S, k* |9 w2 W; F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- B5 @; }' L% B( ?5 W4 J4 L; H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 I. e# O$ K; {  p% V1 l( Y& }
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 g6 ^5 w/ ]% O' @' @- u

, Y4 {# u9 z5 B/ p導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,! V& ?: T3 m2 v& l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: |2 H; }! w" g2 g/ H% ~. y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' X! L4 p: O5 ^/ F# V: `, b* q
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...' ^; Y/ b& g/ Q" t/ O7 j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 A+ r/ w. Z8 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, ^8 R4 b7 v9 L8 R0 ]+ r6 Q信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 ~1 O) O& W- s

. `# b, t4 b/ B. ~5 t以下是其他人的見解,- o& P0 }; J4 D' w, q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' Z, i6 M+ I# g- k2 u
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!! @5 C$ H  R1 L; v) d! q1 ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' [! v+ Z" g+ A. W+ O* x9 s7 Z
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- P8 w: H6 B7 d$ d" [- M
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  Y! q8 |. K; b.............信耶穌... ...

. x- I5 A( @1 N' y+ R; RRegarding the resurrection....
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8 `3 e! ^% B: K% AActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& B. d7 x' W% C/ ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.