Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
2 f; |0 K! J' d6 L% x6 ?我係一個連自己都吳信的人
; P( V& \' }. X3 W6 i( y又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢0 l+ }+ }9 x7 p( X8 N5 Z* L
道理我知道好多只係做吳到( l  m) W8 |# d" v# Y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!. a. o/ d' [9 F. p
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
$ L3 J; F2 ], Q) Q9 t& R0 ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 S9 I2 `/ b- w7 C  N& I我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,5 d) M+ v+ U9 v6 g1 j. o1 o7 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 g- X0 O& Y  l6 j
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?; Z1 x: f9 v% |. F, n7 d- K

; [1 \& C4 C+ K! J" y" wJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) a) i% @: L# h. s8 C1 P, ?' U' D! {
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 j$ ]" D: m2 \6 |2 g
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ U8 _  t6 @5 F
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 t2 z  b2 q& d3 d6 G3 w4 Y: e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' l# @  h( w1 DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  A; o8 l9 I8 W$ W* kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins....../ j8 _; q9 J+ h- h5 d# I# M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! R# I; D8 u" d7 ?
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; M0 b+ C$ d0 J8 Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ \. m2 l( ]0 V4 N用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( H0 `* T2 G9 x! c* P2 t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) J+ o+ [3 i3 ^7 @' W4 S如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, z4 P% u, s/ W( Z% {* E" {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& v3 u; N( o3 `2 L, R8 L* C4 P2 U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* l  Y4 g" `, C! E1 }+ h3 S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法8 a# b4 @5 d4 r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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  n6 R& @0 I  I7 d8 @- @5 l宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
. m6 [, U! N' r# G% T6 [$ R信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" G+ |7 Y  b+ l! K

( t* V) q# a& ~/ v) x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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; b- b' E! l* ?不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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: h; p5 B9 g4 R( }$ k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 f; ~1 Z' [; i2 I1 k
.............信耶穌... ...

0 R& ]7 v$ P/ M2 V4 B) cRegarding the resurrection....  H( i: i$ }4 G( y

: G  O4 H& F1 m, F  o6 N. i6 BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....5 k/ F* U) ~  n' X; B

3 I* M+ Z+ k1 Z7 A& |5 u* k1 J- r) lYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.