Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% k, ~5 M5 E5 f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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- t' ~1 r! t& g& h+ i4 d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
2 m! \6 F. @6 [3 l6 o" w呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 F  i+ b& N8 O/ D+ L, [  M% yNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!2 z( l: A7 k: F5 }, X( [

) B  e. D% u' z) b# bNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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& I0 Z" n. x9 W* ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: Z2 Q! Q% X* l( ?- c$ ?0 v

( ~5 t+ p( N1 H) X0 ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- W( ^$ R) a5 L* P, Ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' `, z1 f! B; F2 G& c
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 \+ J9 K8 J7 E& }* I2 Y
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," k9 B4 F. x1 I; W( j5 t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! y# ?4 w; A$ P, K9 l' a2 u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?! B& U2 p" W" p+ [, l& O

! }' h+ o6 F0 T$ y3 m& v* ZJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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7 u  k) Q- S. N9 {9 D5 ?+ vI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- }: W8 U0 h) l& |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' K- a# [0 L" L8 J

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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4 U5 \! }+ Z0 I, t"不信也沒損失"
1 {* V  O" l) r  e0 IYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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, D4 y$ r) R1 B& X% H2 T# Qit's starting because we have sins......8 ^9 h' K& ?8 b' i$ P4 m0 S; B
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
; |" b1 U$ V4 N+ g' N) s4 Jour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"5 D$ p7 |1 q3 E0 r# Y! y, U# H
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" ]1 K0 A9 h5 u; W用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ c8 w( o0 f1 \" U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全$ y9 P, ]2 p, W
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
* F2 {1 \, C1 C) k3 I而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 x: r' J/ \& Q( J( z

0 P( r3 h7 f3 }. c2 d6 i- E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,  }+ J7 o8 x8 O- `: \, Q2 I; p
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,$ ~6 S6 L  R1 i7 q, Y
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,2 G; t, W5 @) l$ R* M( E' y" M( e. a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* q' w6 R7 W+ c3 z8 P
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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* _0 o) j( h- y% P+ m吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ I3 o+ j, Y' L+ d+ A! A, [, J
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 v6 [$ p; {2 ]8 B
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以下是其他人的見解,3 u0 K9 ^& A6 F' Y& M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" B7 F1 B3 [' [; [" c1 Y1 X
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ S- U6 t( \$ f9 [) h$ N1 b1 [
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 L/ ~* G! x7 }$ f; S% ~4 E

5 ~0 F' S& `: @: \6 v% \不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 q1 ~4 x1 O7 B* _: m. ~

$ D- @4 a. k' a1 D我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' d% H% O% I, n0 g7 A% m% R' [3 `
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.