Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 `' e. r6 l5 \$ I
我係一個連自己都吳信的人* a$ b# |) h4 D: M/ I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 A9 K8 [+ q% \) V) E2 b
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# y! w' Z5 F! j( GNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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* {0 a' F8 g6 }9 [& ?Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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( {" z; {  L+ Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 X% M) V5 g% r9 Z
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( H1 A; B+ ^8 i  @, C) Q% X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 P2 ~/ a7 l3 m  k# D# a2 G5 q8 b3 q
真的!!這不是反話
6 A! S4 R/ z5 D2 V% C3 g因為我是情感比理性強的人
0 M7 m# t" ~; ^4 A2 B. J! K所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
- ~1 }$ f' T6 i/ i; u$ {. ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 \" }+ Y/ t8 R7 a
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
# ?) y8 |- h/ A7 ~* V! {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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: F% \0 l3 d0 {# V5 b" I3 R# zJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 1 ^# J1 @1 @% z

- C' k8 l7 b+ _- H$ C* B' b+ @I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% f1 Q: o) F# y' D3 {/ P% D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo3 y0 i; m7 P& l5 D* X
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* i- q0 ~5 Z3 B! m
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: {2 n, K: R: ?  ]9 m2 b"不信也沒損失"
  Q+ D( I/ u& I( p* P, j0 P% pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 [, Q. x0 p: S- R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; `6 a/ c9 x" D) jit's starting because we have sins......
3 J4 x- o& z+ r( `: H; isatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 3 L% j8 J/ \7 J7 W1 ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" @( l. N2 ^, \# D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ W0 Y1 D4 x# j' n1 v; E: N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ `% ]" v6 V4 \; [# |. X, z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* @  j7 E5 Q$ u5 @/ K0 _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 l( k$ u8 w) T* d2 a" X; W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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1 P5 X: |; |- k6 T/ O3 g0 H* b導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# E" H) M; t0 l) E- Z% y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 r  J6 X% A" X2 t! `9 h' _9 a
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
# k* \6 h+ e- u: l$ M7 z+ M# L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- W  e$ C" E  c3 @4 i4 K! z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 T8 t% e7 G0 f: C. l8 b

: `- D; ?$ i2 G% {以下是其他人的見解,$ @+ b$ o, p' Z3 W
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; T( f. e6 x, W; Q9 y* D7 r

; l# n: P6 T) P信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ b- n! W/ e: _2 O+ M

2 X9 \# @3 Q+ E! T6 l# ^不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ n8 Z$ o; M  x; g/ ].............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# h; h* `$ V, S+ F" G( V0 F% r
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.