Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  l( @0 Z, Q- w6 m& x6 H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- M+ S: U* H! M5 B& y; ^# J4 n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# C) _0 u- g" s, ]
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" M: R2 l2 a: y. _
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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2 |- m0 o( A6 j, e, f& N( C3 z: ]Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% j: o% w% d- C$ d/ B

9 m% R8 {: t" E; Q' |( p8 [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....- V- K+ x4 h2 R0 w# q/ @( t4 v

6 x; R9 |6 ~1 \3 jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" O# R, U* Q! B$ o4 x: z; d
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! B& j* x3 x& }8 u8 |* Z
真的!!這不是反話
" l8 G4 r! k1 ~1 f- y) ]因為我是情感比理性強的人/ t2 X+ J( j) t" h
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# y2 a4 z. @) w' j1 j以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; D. H( Z: A/ |9 Q8 a在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- G% }' s5 i/ M5 Y) p1 C" A: w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
8 H* H' O5 F. m* d8 ~2 I) c9 z建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 h5 ]& g, M: v- C& J) ?4 O. ?What a statement we have here?& k# {4 q* R( U0 ?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; T4 x$ B& W5 z! o
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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- B  n8 y( o/ {: ^; [- _- E6 u6 ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# L. ]! G* i8 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 Z4 q+ L; P. i- \8 R' X) f"不信也沒損失"
8 @0 @& ?# a8 g- {% c7 W2 \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- n4 D9 x  O1 R, y" x" Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( [# ^$ D- a# O$ s5 z5 w! h* M( N
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it's starting because we have sins......
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! {, `6 X3 y- A- wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& Q! g! C8 }$ N7 ~2 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
  f) @/ V( G: K# {* v% r' X用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, g7 ~( |- Z5 T. F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全, {( j/ a! l+ w9 @5 L$ I' [; Z$ _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,  ~+ a/ |9 s: g! U; n' f
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 o9 }! K- t0 J9 G4 Y
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法" c( o+ ?7 ~( K/ n
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰.... m8 s% Y$ b" Q

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ S2 \* l& g' \1 u3 X
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ Z3 X* p6 o' F

3 D* q3 `* h1 |4 {' a/ M0 _以下是其他人的見解,% z, P2 d6 m4 R7 R5 Q8 ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 l. l* C) u1 k' z# _( `3 m# V7 Z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ R  l+ a2 r; H+ C7 r" Q.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.