Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
# t, O" y- b1 Y; w我係一個連自己都吳信的人% A: V2 W3 t+ ]' d- J
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 |5 k7 Q! g5 R6 s) q道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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& T. _- s+ u  H: T8 N, k  NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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8 d, A& p- ^' p$ K3 {Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....) p: ?4 r2 L# z8 d  P0 t

( A+ i" q, R3 f) @2 zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! ?# T* K7 s- ]4 jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 k# E. l* ^! Z! H5 ?5 s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 U: w+ d0 N5 v我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 |$ u5 S' `7 n; s& F3 D8 [1 a8 U
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,) E. a: D* Y5 Z: g, u( c( A3 H
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,) A% L& z8 v% W* E3 z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:) Z6 ~- J  p8 I7 ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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  p* V5 g( M, a/ @+ o# OI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 R/ V7 C, }; Y& s- i. V

5 f* g' e2 ^. M: h) H% jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; G4 G! r  m. S& ~: @. M$ q5 s
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* A5 ]7 n4 l) T6 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ e- u3 L: ]- r: n"不信也沒損失"# L$ C# `3 ?+ {* ?, V. R, _+ g- s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  u5 {! R5 ~; [+ W
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% N7 p) W' `1 ?# Q/ ^+ o' G
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
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0 m2 V5 Y- ^6 Z' N2 r8 q5 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( _2 r+ T0 ^' X$ m
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,5 J6 V9 z6 _$ m# A* s

" T' k- ]9 w! N* N. ~一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 M" {2 u* v/ U( ^1 T7 P( ]1 g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ _: {: @% s$ Z5 j0 Y/ j9 X美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,0 O3 e2 f: L3 x& n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  j# [6 A( _  a  H6 O5 A

, L8 l% @& [, x2 n) n以下是其他人的見解,% G- d, m* v; w" f
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ f6 K# ]) j3 Q% @8 N# B9 Y: F
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) F- M4 L; o  B  j
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- M+ f, a6 @3 F& V' H我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:9 G- V% O, i! z
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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1 G# A5 c7 N6 k9 ~" OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 ~5 g( S$ S2 s2 k8 o

% k$ W1 h' C9 x  Y7 q. cYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.