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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif' B: [) K6 E" l3 U' W: ]
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ r1 g, W8 t3 H
I was so confused.....
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! _; g$ U5 b  f) s# x講到尾都係賺錢2 N1 S! K0 G, I9 J7 B. t
so銀行可以不斷放款: y2 w: f7 U- d( \& q
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% {( [* _9 H0 G; p2 q
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mortgage loan ! q& H. ^7 M9 L+ q1 L4 e4 G) c* c3 A
>conduit
6 B! h' t% h- d' I/ R>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)( d& m9 G" ^. m4 X" v+ i/ X5 `; e0 }
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)- e5 _0 ?( C: M$ T; `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- i7 J& J6 {& i" l4 VCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,% k0 g8 M4 l6 p; B- y
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
/ c# v' O# N2 w! s2 e6 g8 c2 lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,8 _6 E3 T3 t, }  T# m! x# M9 b0 L+ s
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.9 i9 z% {; z; N  W. m6 G
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
2 K7 f9 k% t* T2 y8 h. Usimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
, U6 l3 E& l, m( q) qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , a: ?- e' O. K( @+ O
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 0 _/ d0 u- I/ z0 t. V% [) G
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" n0 s+ u# \* |) yim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ d% F& K3 w. Z. a9 E  ~' I1 {; Uin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.5 _. M. `0 x$ W7 U
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,6 [2 Z  W8 j0 W: Z( M2 d% l
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction., \, S/ ~, B- o% \
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ) i" }3 Q% }9 M+ @
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! f1 l( \8 @6 N) G: j5 }' Z

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 Q  J# n5 }% m) {  c9 VRefer to last example,7 _- v8 C- l9 @0 J
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# L9 ~2 G: F0 I5 a; gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 O' ?0 T. _5 Etherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ A( ~( t/ U8 P2 CA->B->C->D->E/ q  j: W. l  H% b2 b! B% k7 n( _
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 l3 M$ i- E9 @+ Y! e+ Q5 K
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?) v6 l' k1 g$ U+ ~6 Q3 F( |1 u: [

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" M" L9 ^- T# q5 Z1 Uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
& }* R& s1 _. ~. A- P& c7 S) tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
- D- ~+ w8 `' ?; Z8 a' e* wit's the problem of the debt itself.$ ^+ _* X& T" P6 a& G
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 ^9 h4 g3 q4 e$ m3 s9 x$ O! p
小弟一直都唔明...
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0 U! d  M7 S6 ]8 Q全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?' X# M  K5 l' M% w7 f2 n" K

# F2 A6 c% w) d0 E2 j4 H' R無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
( b1 ^0 w& z" c3 B那些根本係 紙上財富  
; P. r' c; A) u) ^各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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4 a5 X0 J7 ?" e# B  F7 B' fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
% j& g* T7 l! G3 a9 s; M. d; q& w當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- W" j% m6 k* H2 W6 a於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
  C9 w$ w/ W/ m2 z個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
! Z8 |8 W9 c/ y) O4 d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,+ e9 o! @' v$ `" L- V0 H6 @
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
* ~- L0 s+ a$ L$ g# l前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 v! _5 x- H5 J$ E7 y
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得& X3 n' q  d- T. ?8 ^
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
+ i: a8 f; A4 q! @" r5 k4 p例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   ?- H4 R$ y  N: @& J' P- P3 |
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ J9 m' ~/ Q1 _8 @所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁/ T. C8 e: ]2 p- a) N

* S- t$ C2 s" [你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 Q8 a1 D$ O9 S% l& p但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 n& i* W1 a7 n6 K- {( _淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ Z# G( K0 M: f2 o. Q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' o5 ]2 O  Q# |; q( D' y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 y; F( {' c8 Z9 s" }
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
0 o! W* L7 I7 U/ j: |- i淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, $ e8 X" G9 r# C3 I3 T
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行% E( D' Q3 K! z( {1 j
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣& q/ ]* W& }, y; M
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
+ }8 L" b; j" U  c- m分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; ?0 N, A0 n  S# I6 p9 c連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) g2 i! y6 {" G+ D) u一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
% V6 G' N1 [/ E- P4 A- e" o- k編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 h: [: X) D5 V# i
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; W3 x$ [/ G6 k, Y3 Y其實係...6 x" ]( g) Y+ |5 Z0 O8 @
因為以前未生產, 先消費7 D8 x) `  b. q7 p! j" b
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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