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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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: q  q3 B+ a+ r1 E: M: a7 ~I was so confused.....
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0 V' ^/ P: X8 H講到尾都係賺錢+ }7 `; n( h/ t" k
so銀行可以不斷放款. ?5 }' W& _1 G& N3 f8 K
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界$ {! H) G+ v# h3 k

9 ~+ f( o$ p( X) h! @( D1 |mortgage loan
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>arranger
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.; q* Q6 }* x# r2 T- x
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! M3 i0 s1 @2 U* p2 Imore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 X2 E# K( g8 X% N
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
2 ^! V% i2 |9 F9 O% oin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 G4 f+ H' y0 H" F# E5 bAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 N  E; P8 `; p- i) W4 W! ]similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
0 s) C$ K: R1 i( e1 i5 y1 R9 ynormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 j0 ]( z, Y( v% feg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
9 r! q2 c+ w0 f- u5 v+ V1 b- m: Jbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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0 O3 w1 W1 ^, p! q. Jim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) s- x7 d: A( [( G. V3 ]
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 m) {8 p1 X0 h) `" q2 }
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,8 F0 p+ Z0 k2 ]. h/ H
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.  M  @! o5 i% K) n
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
5 g; ^9 @! ]2 _) @; ~' d: Tbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.% Y; y, X9 O3 r# ^" U

( w# b- G" e/ W) H, [% Z) @[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
4 ^  v7 ?& X* D8 q! PRefer to last example,
9 L2 t( p7 T# hthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# |  p4 K  B# T# T+ JBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
2 e4 h7 i7 t" |) ?8 I; Z: d% d% Ttherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E3 u7 }$ @3 D. W( }( R/ ?
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . A0 m( B8 D7 w' y5 L% J
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, $ m7 Q8 x# g4 K$ J* C" u
it's the problem of the debt itself.
/ c$ A5 g7 ~4 i& u# Athe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 C7 `6 }3 g$ q7 _5 @& S0 B( W  Y
小弟一直都唔明...
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. }  b" S1 d) A  v/ Y& o! u* |全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?$ v) z* K7 n+ H+ l% k+ e6 s
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ X4 J  a, I9 s* \
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  8 q% d( E% N  }) i# A7 ?
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
: c0 B7 M# z5 K5 {0 Q當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ F) a; @$ y  g8 g% A5 V. z! P; l) H
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊9 n; J4 N* G7 Q& A
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦4 j6 A5 V# Q( [' i) {0 b
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
# F3 i4 `- c, u( A( a/ F7 L/ Q計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺0 m% \2 `1 i! z$ `8 a
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 d2 n) B7 _1 Z& h. Q( u
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# Q7 i3 G/ C% Y# [! j/ n  T: [/ U
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 @( w* I8 ^5 B; U+ S9 \
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, - y1 Q) R$ |) l6 l
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
' M7 e' F/ J1 C' h, ?所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁' V7 o, q9 Q$ R& t

0 q& v/ d: m; ?% }' j' {1 I& S+ N! B- c你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
8 ^* d7 Q. ^5 `$ i但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # ^+ Z4 ~: Y% K8 v& c$ q: m
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 8 ]+ |2 i0 a2 u  |/ @
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
2 d! k# d0 r% a. ]% ?咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif! D( J7 `" j  `  [: y
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 5 V* r# o/ Q3 t- s  R
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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) O2 _% |! S& x8 f! c- w; f咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: S5 {& h5 K, A: h正係咁樣
# f/ m% h- s6 w% p其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業. b6 K2 k& v, `9 Q. y- ^
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢9 X- J9 Z; B( Q: }3 e# d
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,) |9 A; O3 g# O# M; w& q8 e
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' |5 D3 P7 M# z! N. r一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
, t0 ~# u& E4 ?0 o編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 ~9 \' W7 [4 X$ ?7 M1 g
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...4 [" [* O+ H; u4 N: F
因為以前未生產, 先消費
! ]& E  j- ^/ L+ _  n而家就要多生產, 少消費
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