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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 M% }3 l- U& RWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
- ^- Q5 u, Z) e! H( rI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢! M" V/ |+ V. q' Z  L2 d5 t$ Z
so銀行可以不斷放款! b( l1 H! ^7 F* U2 i" l
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界! D4 S# t# v( Z( g1 m
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mortgage loan
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# Z0 ?/ Q+ N7 u: W9 S, {# |>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& [4 `( K9 G1 P0 S
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/ @: \6 R; ~3 t. t# h  [>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)- H( O# {% Y. y+ n& R( ^. g; t
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
7 {9 v  h; O3 I# n6 J; dCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,9 r" S0 z! N" O) p( f# M
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 W, n1 e- v/ ?7 g2 x; S1 bmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
4 L7 d1 v& x" {7 Y1 P6 v1 P! tin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
. u; y2 T& e0 \* x: F, _Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.7 ?4 g6 a3 p+ j* i0 P% P
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,+ D' p3 a; L6 T+ b! g2 x% L. p
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
7 K; ^" a1 d/ Oeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. , c9 K  i, p+ z; D
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.4 C, {5 u5 I. \. d2 a$ K
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 B6 x$ @9 U# W$ d) T
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
( I3 ^# \6 J* c, WA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
+ H3 F/ E0 x3 JThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
9 I/ v  Y3 m) `% ], ~but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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& k! F7 {% V. R[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ C- f0 T* k2 O, yRefer to last example,% [1 @2 @) Z( S3 t1 p0 N; C8 n8 b
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
* C1 O( K. N% P+ SBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( n& l! m( G$ l( L9 o
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E! G5 e$ G" j5 N4 [" t. L9 G
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 t* N8 l$ T' `% hall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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% G4 r9 O6 ^! X- ?" ~the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, . n/ R5 h$ s1 ]# H( [3 ^
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 E2 R/ |) j9 o7 [0 P4 N# `
it's the problem of the debt itself.
  \$ I4 W6 R! Qthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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. x7 w8 B8 z5 e無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答& Z; c$ X- j0 s8 j& _, ]
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
7 g+ H" ?0 c9 R各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic% K* k" `5 P! Q& b! m

& `0 _7 X( C3 K$ I0 y3 v0 mhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
, k! _/ q' @  n3 z7 k當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ b( G9 ^+ O# I# o! X7 g  o! j於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
: c0 C5 V+ r- S2 `+ H) g個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
9 D0 m8 M' C/ t4 K+ f9 Q扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- q" Z0 A6 x: Q; m" c
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 g4 ]4 R" y2 q0 b4 P# I
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
- d: Y0 G9 Z5 E# O) m' B' Q2 Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! R, }" e; P( L2 k8 }但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# d/ E! D6 v4 P' K! M! d例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 }" l+ C! ~$ z" B咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
. x( x7 z0 S( A( o3 q所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁. s" t  }0 A  C& F- {1 M

0 G6 O% j$ s9 U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
- G4 a9 `8 ?& V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & \, T# j0 z+ Q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
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咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) [  z. t: v. R+ U
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, & q, p& \# Q1 S2 @) d# j" f) ^
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 6 O! K. @( m# R: k  J/ v
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行3 ?, s% c8 j, X3 F% Z
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
, d; _% g  A' I8 z其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& E, i1 \# _5 S& G/ j分分鐘佢地唔使還錢$ }. X4 a8 G  Q% H8 {( @1 j/ J

$ O. f5 \$ u; n' H! C* y7 N再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
  _% }1 A  B0 j& f6 }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票+ B, A2 |, Z4 @8 ~5 b, ~
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產- g! f" o) G) {
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 I3 Q) x9 l1 m" |4 S咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( S5 O" l9 `# K2 _- r% w# B3 p因為以前未生產, 先消費* a5 p, n  d8 l9 w4 O+ r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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