Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 M4 p# v& g) n  p& B  I9 ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
  M1 R7 k- X0 A1 U! Y3 l又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
. z' r4 H( |. v0 X道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ Q2 \& J( U7 H+ @1 T# [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" _% G4 G+ @9 _$ zNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 ?9 C! x  T8 C9 O9 w: }/ @3 W7 M

+ N5 A9 N5 G5 M. zmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- }' `) s7 {0 \  x% ^; ^- V( cstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
  h: [5 \6 Q6 j! z+ }cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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- y1 c5 w, K: M1 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,+ c1 w/ Z$ k& H  L6 @
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
0 t) ]1 J; i. R$ P% K) {; N, o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' |+ H' r  |0 x4 ^* l
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: h) w8 s' s+ h$ V4 n  c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! N5 n' {  C' fWhat a statement we have here?7 Q/ j0 c$ H1 z+ W
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, n% @& ]9 q2 A! x1 eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ y  r, w& x) n/ C  }+ bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 N) K5 I. x$ X+ c$ U

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 L; I8 k# N# ]0 v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# v) Z9 j6 W7 l! i6 H8 P9 PYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 O: I6 s) A* [/ {# vbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 i  h9 T8 s1 U3 s' z. Y/ D9 }
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% m9 Q0 t. u2 m' H7 Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 g4 |7 @* {' Z' b/ Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
( a4 B7 q8 N# s/ D" @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( _5 p. S, P/ c1 j. b' H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 |# S8 I( j7 S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 N( x- n' A% x  B  c, S5 N) v
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! i9 [/ N. r1 S8 l, @- t/ H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. l$ \# ^% R8 E好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...8 h& q' c* m4 L5 Z( l
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 o) t4 c" @# `: T9 N
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 x% c4 |8 _5 C; H% R8 F8 ^
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以下是其他人的見解,
4 Z" V" ~! i2 {& n7 R* |看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤9 q: r+ c+ z# @7 e) V' i" o# B: G
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, T, A. E3 Z5 {3 U9 \, K' f
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!& l6 n0 d* X. b9 O3 M* Q
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 N+ j, ]/ u. K3 Z" C' ]) T.............信耶穌... ...

( y, R! c  z4 h8 J( VRegarding the resurrection....
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7 k8 S1 \, f( {3 a! v8 BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 T" u1 r: l) @1 N' x( h
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.