Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 t* u$ `* J( b7 m% T+ G- _
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 i* A' @/ D- N4 _/ U% f' p3 V1 F; n
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢+ c: r8 d1 U& v* c" z
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% ~1 }3 ^% ?" W" L" S* W* r
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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# u5 q8 T2 C8 B+ @/ q( _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 q2 N, {1 W) a2 q5 ]# a% G. ^

# p" g# }' {% ?4 A2 ?' t5 @* ~4 fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 x/ Q" u3 _) wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ ]. u* G: z+ u$ h: W7 ?我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 r* O2 F# G3 I% ^. u, W* `
真的!!這不是反話5 W7 j' q5 Y$ O* ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( ?1 x9 V, @8 _9 ~以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 j9 ^! l/ N, K4 C2 a" N在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 j/ E( ?! c: `% M& b3 ~
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. U4 z4 B  R5 x$ B) v2 v0 T7 D# g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?) j, K6 T/ M( ~. q; U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' @  h: _9 D$ a7 N: Z

* x1 R. a. @0 B' DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 p. B8 @! l# U& D% ]1 Q

! b/ \7 d! m: jLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) @" H+ l6 q' O: v2 O* K

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:6 _9 g9 _! ?6 P+ l. x" m9 [& u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
1 T& z+ y( o# N: t1 h( sYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 M5 W( S+ I1 N, w  cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 T. H& ~8 S7 g/ Z* T
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ p. O1 L8 ^& N/ o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
8 {' z# ?% p2 R8 a/ W) g4 V2 h0 u用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* W( |' x6 y% n; i1 B4 F這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' P4 N! ?+ ~6 b& {* t( @  p! }$ a4 V6 B如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,8 X3 t$ y) E) A6 l2 @
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ _) Q1 v8 h) @* x& U好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  M2 {% P& _# }  B1 l# `5 A- c& }7 E

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 }7 M$ D$ c, B0 T- d( v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,, `; N+ K( Y9 @4 A8 b2 v
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# [: {8 C2 u" _$ L9 o; M- f7 B. t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. S2 m# ^1 k2 Z' S# i" X0 N6 G
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ _4 w2 X* r5 t( f5 p" @* t+ Z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 L/ d7 L' A# \1 t) t1 p$ L! j

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
4 C8 h0 w2 e5 d+ B5 k2 U8 X.............信耶穌... ...

) F+ y( {( a2 n. \  D5 c& j$ {Regarding the resurrection....
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  k  d8 r6 p! F+ m( D% ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.