Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. Q3 b* F+ [. Y, y4 A
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ n: u6 O7 K* s8 H, X
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 o+ U) ?) ]& h5 WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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6 R7 q$ Q, Q. I5 R6 ^Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; Q* F" z5 c# m  U
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; e$ F/ n! ^" H3 Y) |

, l7 r! `& g9 F; O8 l7 ~$ a5 ^struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  L8 }3 m5 L# E: r. o% r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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6 ^6 x8 [/ m: h* R- J% @* @9 n因為我是情感比理性強的人
( a' A) G7 i% D所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
' p- O/ U  D2 h- t* ~! C! \$ `7 ^以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# U4 |3 v: s& B4 ^/ t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 E5 ]" V) S- O% s( `5 J8 g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?3 R& k+ G1 p8 y, i$ V/ v

5 o5 d6 L. t( h" X) \! o7 OJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! E4 H, |; ^9 H6 q  v, n2 g
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.) |7 T" x& }8 ]0 O4 ]7 T" n" Q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  @' ~+ n$ W1 C& n* {: X
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
0 @$ J: t3 g% l* W8 u建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ p7 a- f3 {. p; e9 E"不信也沒損失") L( t; L2 E  k
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....6 p2 G( s8 y/ i% c/ ?/ J6 }3 j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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" k) H* e/ j% n$ |2 Oit's starting because we have sins......
6 O% d, S+ H  p) R$ ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  @4 j2 w* |8 O0 oour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
1 p7 N7 ^( s/ z. A3 \# Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,& Z/ D6 `( f6 c1 H1 z: ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( ~& j' a0 Z7 \6 V5 `+ t- {這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 V0 d& c$ D7 C+ D$ W/ Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 y5 j! W6 t) I3 a% P1 I3 R
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% v2 V5 \" M, l
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 m6 j" }3 Y) I0 o3 z: h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  y  r2 ^! y2 l! S

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,6 B9 w  X0 Y( E' Q0 [1 c1 G; B/ P
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干6 p7 G; M' I# y, e/ W
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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( n, x% V4 ~6 ]0 j- a- l& b, P+ R信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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/ @0 v+ F+ `- Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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4 u0 V1 y2 J+ W8 f* I: K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  M% G1 S3 d* [7 H9 C* A

+ F/ n9 z' j2 r9 ?" k同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( z+ k2 W1 W8 f0 X& W8 p.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ g' H$ H1 b2 L2 k$ `) q  `

0 ~2 i3 T4 M" Y! S7 G% V) Y* K7 i" ?Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 C2 P7 R+ k, y1 I8 d

" I* M* S; y6 V+ `- CYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.