Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 }( w# J) i) h1 q" |& d0 X
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 h) l0 \! [! l" q
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) H0 e: q. m9 c5 E
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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# R; O9 O) @- Z& pNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 B! J6 @3 @, E0 U- O! L+ ZNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( x: u0 o& p9 ?' {
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; t( P0 }& M7 icheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ ^; J2 `$ o" R) n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................# E& A9 O2 r2 _8 }6 t) v0 g
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,/ z' p* W# C4 e+ [  a% l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
) ^9 R0 w& ?) q8 @% H! ?在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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+ o5 ~6 c3 n. Y$ D# o$ ]What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 |; ~5 K% e7 M3 ^$ Y$ N" z
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 g% Q" Q4 y) _+ H' QLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ _7 X9 M2 `8 A% i* I; F

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; ~) ~5 v6 w& P+ k
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"( t7 [5 O/ O" Y8 B- _( P
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 G2 K) @# u, b' [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 V- w: Q' G# d; i
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it's starting because we have sins......
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* _2 |4 P3 F" y, E4 \2 your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 i  k, b. C) n0 e: r( A2 m
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 C- w9 S8 a! c+ }
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; o$ c. Y* o/ m3 q2 F0 a5 y
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* l  e) l9 D! D0 n" e3 T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; k3 F2 E: R8 b+ N' B6 @9 W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具5 A' m; z! Y% ?: {7 u
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! E% r+ {' T7 K) B: B5 P* [
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' Q$ x/ p5 U/ e7 b1 j0 Z7 [/ i( e
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' G: R, j6 y6 ]; ^3 [0 d
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: c& m9 u6 h* M% K4 V% e, m
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 i9 X/ V7 E( o$ _) m6 g
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....+ l: z. z  u) i2 y, o

" K, M' q& P& O; y* aYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.