Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
8 `: W, m5 O9 m- ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 j% I- I3 A$ j+ z5 z! t) }
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
$ x% r: F, N2 D3 e道理我知道好多只係做吳到" E+ y; V8 a6 z* i* M8 K
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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0 K6 S! S  ?( d0 J+ p6 _! ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' m: `0 x0 a& P. B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 ]& }+ Z. f1 _( O5 ?3 w; W+ T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  |* s5 s, q* V1 B! l( ~( e; p
我只不過微小的基督徒...................) s3 G9 d  h3 V$ w' J( x
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," j) p' Z! R! _  O4 ~6 C  `6 j, Z. d
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% X; J+ a/ }! V$ M- v) Y1 L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 D8 S2 J. x5 ^7 n+ J  X8 s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" q& t/ t1 ^1 {& X% h0 N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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! `+ V% H- e0 ~/ W. s2 e8 `What a statement we have here?; j, P0 I* O% X  o

# h; m. q1 h4 K5 w# F* D4 T' VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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$ k0 p9 m! e4 }0 y2 EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% Z( J$ j/ B7 ^+ w$ |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 v: ~) O. G* P; V9 O! ?! x
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& Q7 A& E' g+ w0 X4 x"不信也沒損失"
+ s8 ?" F3 H" q' |1 HYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....; ~, H- H3 }" v: T" `8 h
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ @' c% E% U- o6 z; S$ q7 p; \

' K* ]/ z& {& o& d+ }it's starting because we have sins......
6 r, B" u9 P9 }3 p( l2 Ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / O+ y* F( X6 f" U( i! |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- @9 t  E+ b+ [( j) {, Q, _
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
1 n9 I* W" J& @9 v. f0 G5 |用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 j- Q, Z6 @5 }% `- y6 M* \7 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 |! n/ k1 Y5 b如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 u4 p9 j  I8 U# v1 Z而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ j1 J4 J; |6 d. Z5 C4 G* x
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) A; \) x* S, r9 e& ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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9 `' ^  V6 h$ O- R5 q& N0 h2 Z* d" P一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," n3 C* r% q& D# K# A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! ~3 x: |9 Z; C) E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., F- g$ k" r+ {$ ]. {

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. V% E) a! [: ^& E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ ?2 K6 H( U5 |/ O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
$ ^* D( w0 g9 i" P& D' Z看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, E, `$ \! S& r. W( Z/ }. d
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. {/ V5 N; H6 Z. Q) T8 @% ~
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' i% y* ^6 V& Z0 @( ?) t5 b
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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$ [: A3 Y5 b) z, W/ I" S( I同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 {  R& Z" R* @: P- y.............信耶穌... ...

8 y3 i2 M# G8 Y5 QRegarding the resurrection....' O$ I# A# A8 X8 M; ?) H
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....2 N% f. G9 M8 J4 b
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.