Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% o% |  Q7 b7 D; `3 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 C4 ?9 F& z9 y9 H6 W1 M# U8 a
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢4 U2 H0 x" ~" P0 k1 o5 e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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2 E% @% F5 y6 f3 W0 ~( |8 A& iNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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/ h; H8 \0 |2 c  mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' K9 W2 h( z2 c+ ?7 ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- g' L2 P9 w' b. q4 ystruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( v$ k# |* E$ |+ t6 v# z1 z) ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 Q( ?+ [4 u. W+ _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 U5 d( h  O+ b因為我是情感比理性強的人# o  z8 [! {3 F( W# I4 W: {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 8 [3 h3 A" |! U# y, X$ i

8 r# n# s+ n8 ^2 _/ [2 ~6 iI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. G$ [8 ]* G8 \* N; e7 x
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 S% b3 y1 q0 L! h' {2 b建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") |: }! z* g; Z$ Q/ g& F5 ~
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 Z& L  Q/ z# t6 j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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$ ?& f5 C+ u5 `& iit's starting because we have sins......- D. k9 A$ \8 [# N( L" l1 S2 U) q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 E- J9 i9 Q. w+ c2 g: t/ B8 ]
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& e0 g+ Z2 {' J  G
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,5 Z1 j9 w' f3 n. t5 c8 i9 r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- R% y2 u* Z! }! G這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 W1 q# i1 J8 k% p$ c6 U. U
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
. U9 C7 Q9 k% z8 z* m8 M3 \4 f0 p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,. x8 j$ x' s/ \  M
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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2 S# ?5 h# e4 _: h9 X$ x! u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,; y6 w; |, B0 D3 ^
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 Y  x4 a9 \+ y) X  A+ H. k
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 a4 L) J" L8 k; _) Y8 I8 W) ]
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; \% W- @; h, l6 H- k8 q3 s# `5 p信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: N% e! D6 ?2 d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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6 {. Y$ B, l9 e" s[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% |* z) ]2 t( p1 E& A
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% y7 v  t& a& a; p, _

. K1 U1 _& Q. N) r我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!' j: H& M; k4 b8 I( @4 j0 t
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( e8 z3 F) p3 g.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- I7 ^/ ^, L+ u1 D6 K
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.