Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& r& P* n+ h( v) d+ T1 P% ^  m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人+ z8 |2 Q  `5 J; ?6 W! P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 r! M! n- Z* c' m' p道理我知道好多只係做吳到8 A1 B- \  l) @* [% O& u$ A! o
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 `$ E" p; K' h* ]: o7 s* nNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ x; i# h: m' l

* ~# j0 B% K, F! RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 `& x$ r: E' V/ D# b
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 y/ b, `0 ^3 l& C9 A, k% v) d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 l2 L) o) b0 D* k" s
我只不過微小的基督徒...................6 f, Q/ k: l3 e0 Z1 |4 h
真的!!這不是反話; U9 h" \+ `: Q$ K& [( `3 W
因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 |  \( b4 S3 D5 `" w) s所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
4 u9 a& |2 Q; k( B% I2 ?/ }以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,2 v) h, a6 n0 X0 l
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? . c, A/ T* r: j$ f
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( q1 Y& [( Q, T+ K4 r5 N, R

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& \+ \4 |( ^# T. d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- ^. b5 r2 }- J% D/ z"不信也沒損失"
3 q9 s4 @  d: s3 ?' v/ O3 }Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
2 V4 T) _4 Q( r! C5 A/ Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& ^7 Q  G( ^. ^* J
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it's starting because we have sins......
+ G* c9 b! ^+ h& C) e8 \satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ' v: Y0 i1 t* d: Z! z9 D3 t
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
+ R+ m" ?, W% F% l0 c只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) m; C! }( \+ y4 z/ O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 ~- D$ m! P+ b: c這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
7 t: }! k3 l1 f0 Y  C: u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," h- h6 {% X0 ~; p8 `; J# w
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 _, M& ?8 _* E& M5 l1 k' u4 D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( h1 G7 {: {3 V6 {* D& M& f, x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& X5 j, }* s7 r

: c2 P+ \( |- B% J1 n7 P7 W  A一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,9 G) S2 ~6 ^3 X4 G
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法  V. m. G8 Z2 D* Q& i
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 l7 w. C; F; S* y吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 Y; Q6 |+ j; @- c8 j
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm- t: U3 o; E, o& k

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ L+ J! o' i  `/ N
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( w6 W5 H0 b' R( ]

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3 X8 x# @  {# d4 D/ |$ T5 a0 U我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!4 `7 w8 F; ~6 w
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% ~; L: s8 U$ t0 V- k
.............信耶穌... ...

9 [0 i) P; B. `, I8 c% J6 GRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% R& v# ~; D) b; r
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.