Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:+ r5 f, g. r% C. H& \; j+ f
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
( X' m2 F8 t. I7 O. p- }7 j又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
/ J9 H% F5 [1 {3 ?1 d道理我知道好多只係做吳到
* k0 y# o4 j* v+ H  ]呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* f/ b  P" D/ C; e7 L; L# C
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....4 T' p) ?" b$ l$ s
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 K! T  j$ b& R; M/ ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
) u8 S+ h; j, W3 ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- ~* [2 R1 M3 g8 v0 O% |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 U+ W$ @+ b% e* K7 ^/ v* a0 W/ }
真的!!這不是反話+ O: [1 |8 m" D7 B( S- R# s
因為我是情感比理性強的人* a8 ]8 V1 w: ^* d7 O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
8 T# G: H2 S0 l6 }7 S6 l2 H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 Z2 B/ b1 M1 H. p/ ^  K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:( I1 t( F: h* O: I0 f/ b( V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?6 ~8 P4 z" @" P; F4 ?& b  \' P
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) e/ `: Q* o0 m% {+ T

9 x7 i9 O# K; F! rI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; x5 Z1 b% h& l( N
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 i$ @0 G( N' v, I

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
( O7 P1 _6 L5 @) G6 Z1 VYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& V" g& U' q5 e! l; Kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
  W5 q& @% H* z1 Uour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
0 I1 q. @% b8 j: m只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,) ^  r2 ^# T; Z5 g5 H; p" d
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
" A% @) Q2 s9 R# |3 M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( r' q& v8 {' D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! P5 r4 H9 h; v& p而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# |' i7 }! i- g9 [

( M/ F4 F" `1 T5 E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* Z# J4 |3 e+ i  x# x
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,! `" p7 Q- r5 ]

& o# E5 ~; s; X, R7 F一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ c4 S$ @! f8 a) @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* e% H! G# F" w美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 }3 k7 E  h8 J5 B
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具' P3 Z* g7 h( f& e$ W1 X7 O# {

3 V7 Z9 j1 d5 ?3 M吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; w7 _4 |) W$ v& g信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干* U; D  ^( c3 q& d% e; s) r
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以下是其他人的見解,6 v6 q& Y' @9 W, ~/ W7 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤. {% L6 R  |4 N& f
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............, }1 x1 z) a. c$ K. `* E6 ~

) m4 Z' y; s" V6 a2 f信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!/ C+ U* c- d' L! G3 A1 v

9 N, m4 E7 T9 ]同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:' S" D2 O, r9 p" U' k5 x
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, t5 t5 P' L- NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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; X9 G# c: y; o& H$ oYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.