Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& \* w2 A/ M1 x* J1 X1 @
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 N- W8 Z( w& S" K) I
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" t. d# r6 R1 F" T# w' @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到" |/ ~: n# a0 |7 |; K. x3 `0 ?$ i* b
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- k3 W( t3 f& A# a+ v$ }" @2 w8 ^

; x( Q& H/ N, j. N. Y- S5 LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' u. S5 F8 ?: p# U" l9 ?4 E
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; G) K: c2 q$ H! [5 r8 t' v# @

9 G, I3 Q! Y, v+ Bstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
/ _) O/ W* z9 C! X5 U+ v2 w我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 ~- |$ D4 s3 i: Z+ H/ [' z
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; p6 |4 q: p6 q$ D+ Z! c以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, s) H  I% ?$ O7 H' C5 n, c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! I2 E! N* Z2 c/ O# l. g
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:, C/ F. Z0 i: W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 E- |1 W8 T/ m* S; L7 w. k& L2 W

% Y! e7 r! f$ Y3 G- d$ E% B' r% @Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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5 Q) r; h8 G8 W' O$ \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ O+ x, C6 B0 F9 `0 Q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 o! `, v% S& @" M% i( m# _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"& k9 M( x  [- ^. K# m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ Y8 o% ]2 q8 ?3 @+ }
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  ?# Q( L6 d! k; ?

+ _  o( ?. p1 q" u+ mit's starting because we have sins......5 ]: P4 X0 L- ?
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 `$ e/ O) n& g+ |( P% a5 vour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
( f1 H2 T* v- k7 ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, h* a( ]( i) I/ E- c) \) l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; \( \1 ]5 s3 K5 [) w6 M) G* Z* f
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& ?+ S2 x2 e- R/ g; y如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 ]: Y: O# T; |! l! E7 C& L4 w而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~% r; f) B8 M  m7 u

1 p0 S5 j$ P5 V8 o% q: K導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," H: z$ Z' A# }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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6 f9 T, O  ]0 Q7 l  u( Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 q9 E/ D/ [5 G* i$ V; I( @1 o: [5 f( \改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
0 G) o9 c1 s5 s6 p- n  Q  ?美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 k' u/ N! q+ P& S/ o0 N1 V
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% ^. O+ B* e5 _! X# T, J2 y. r信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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) n) h, s0 ]1 c: e9 H. F4 k0 r/ V以下是其他人的見解,# _) r% W- R4 [( d5 K% |8 k8 G
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............1 w1 z# ~# I9 @& V

  b0 |: W& K; K& O6 E! r信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" X* b$ k, s2 Z

* D" s# X5 y. @/ v- |. p不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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* X, b6 o: U0 Y1 t- u6 y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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# x' |' H8 @3 A同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....& W3 S& Z, X3 x: Z

# p! L' i; G" s( u1 X! EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....$ k' h% B6 v( b  f. A+ U& b

$ W& E0 X9 z- X8 u% ?. QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.