Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: ]& _3 s7 j! U) V$ t  R, R
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; E: {3 x' G5 ]* X% n# W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; o/ r1 n  O+ Q# w6 h* h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到* A1 C, y8 c* p7 ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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+ ]3 @4 i0 B4 rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' G- d; G, j/ o# U( l- \
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 V  `6 q# d) G: O+ I6 C4 D7 O$ Wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
! e% A% s8 ^; X: ]. j& q6 Zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 o! S% _6 t3 J: Q6 m我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  r% O8 H, }9 g3 E# e真的!!這不是反話
+ V8 x; h, I" v$ ^2 T, R因為我是情感比理性強的人. v1 S* h% l6 o: ?+ [
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% w5 w7 {* Q, j- w1 L2 M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ X% U2 u( b7 x" z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
5 t& L& _" K. {2 T4 Y正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
) G; s% {: M6 h  g* `7 k0 @建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 m% o7 [- S  n# j  l

& Z$ j4 O7 b7 U: PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ x; O. \0 @  _: x6 p5 o5 d

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' b+ n9 h& |! G0 J1 h
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 N' v& V- S  F"不信也沒損失"4 @% u' R# i$ j" f7 }2 Y+ T8 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& V# E. p/ U& j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......- R- Z' O  r7 V8 K6 R

& d  f) g! E: e+ }( pit's starting because we have sins....../ X, ?" [7 y' u9 ~( F
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* j% p& `- i1 ~8 b7 N* j4 _our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," I. T% X5 X- W. m9 V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; I. G8 n4 g  Y5 }2 k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,9 j: b$ G5 g: }: ^; x4 r( P- E1 F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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& W. r& Q# U  m* O9 j8 Z0 u一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 r! L/ O3 B+ l  U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
1 W- D4 e0 R# w) W" l美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...9 f: v' V: o* f$ x+ Z

# l/ {& \% D7 Q* I1 M" R: X, q+ w宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具; Z& k3 }0 x7 G$ x8 h" @+ |  @

7 B2 y: T  u; L; t5 I6 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! r$ b% f* b/ I; K( y5 \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, x# Z3 c8 Q6 U% L+ G. \信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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3 i- B" r3 f2 w- z* ~$ c不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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( `& Q4 C' s8 z* V' N同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) b5 b. p( C0 s' m/ V6 C.............信耶穌... ...

& L5 k' _$ F" u6 _# w5 {1 I; BRegarding the resurrection....
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$ F( L) a/ `+ [: lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 T: r& y, x, F- Y7 W- Z; ^You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.