Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
- Y8 }9 l$ b1 c3 D) x我係一個連自己都吳信的人
! \  K) T2 t1 i7 X又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢8 d5 C$ `$ m4 x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! g, n' g: [$ T5 C' y
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....8 J* _& G9 j- I" E: W
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....3 u/ A; \3 b9 K7 A  U, L& T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 d0 \) f7 c9 _) W我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  f- C2 G3 X. K真的!!這不是反話
7 g" ]* T* [/ R3 _; Z6 W因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" k. D5 q0 J/ M$ _5 i以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ I# M& U5 p3 f5 x* Y* I! d7 h/ e( O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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- F" s$ Q) g2 N7 G* ?* zWhat a statement we have here?
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& V& J' M" q! C8 ^1 G4 R. kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" i. m5 j/ l- J9 z# {2 x6 F; ?
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  x0 E$ H- |' d& B建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"4 J$ ~: ~0 R% h5 ]/ C& s. L
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." v4 Q" v& i2 g( Q  e" i
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......) M; _; Z$ o, y# k# w) w; M: S
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it's starting because we have sins......
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2 a: x/ J8 @; u* `, M- aour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", e6 b* ]' L: L* l9 N1 l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
# Y7 f% E. C% x2 i: K/ g; F; c& O/ ]用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
! q4 a1 S8 D5 n: w( E這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全' d8 S2 F' k9 h6 C) @8 ~# h# J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 N& Z$ r' `/ h- }
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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8 n- K' c8 t/ ~: E0 {7 n9 X# _9 _$ ?導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 r* m1 F8 r7 y/ c2 T7 h" A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 d6 o; z; i9 @" D
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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2 o0 G0 Z  l! B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# v' H( n. U3 a4 q7 F' s$ M) Q以下是其他人的見解,4 J; o. x& p* @. c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤" \$ K  q6 b' d0 [8 H& N3 ~
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm* }) K3 |  }1 z- _- @- T' v

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!# ]. i  j6 w" P* p9 l# d/ ]- g$ T

- U  r, t8 X) ]0 t, t不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 S6 z1 z% x) j: T2 b4 O, K
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ _0 F% R, b& K* s  W
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...., o; V/ B  c8 f* J- }, v
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.