Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:3 W! o9 S; \- B, d
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- Z9 K( w, M2 |+ S! u* k8 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- ]: C5 c6 u* H+ X" W- A) D
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
; i9 X, o) Q  I5 _3 `呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 z" ~6 R, m, a1 v' Q% H

/ c+ U) I) b# pNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....& {! B7 @. r% Y( E4 n; K
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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3 m2 q6 W% N) o/ I1 l) l; gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 U( T- _2 ~6 Y$ ], M我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 D  u5 @0 H9 n9 j! L
真的!!這不是反話. D, w' y- w8 U* M: ?3 E, o  |
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- P6 `& a) k4 C7 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," g( u! D: Y+ m# Z
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...3 ^: t& m( T* `1 u
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 j- O" w3 X. E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* H2 }8 \2 ~& @; c$ VWhat a statement we have here?' X' p( \: e) Y. l+ Z2 S

1 o# T0 N7 R! h$ }Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 r$ Q7 w$ ?* R* Q+ w/ k% |

4 c6 ?' ^# B; K+ P" k5 PI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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: V4 B9 r+ z' `  v+ u( pLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
# I! X6 X. H9 Y9 [5 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 H2 ?8 v5 Q4 k- q"不信也沒損失"( I& S" p% Z2 I% N- x/ D6 L" \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& _: _8 A* \  i! B- y0 n
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 W* U' ?6 R5 v( J9 P

) k* y0 Y4 e( V6 R$ E. y1 V& Oit's starting because we have sins......# Z3 d2 \6 d1 @! x! B# u
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 7 x& }$ V# f5 Z1 ~
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"( l/ U6 F4 J- L2 U( z6 `# Z& {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 J$ n7 N" d6 t/ c( H
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,! D5 j1 o0 |+ ~. ?& z/ ~# f! u( {- n
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 P4 c2 P! R# N) Y- I如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
+ L; F: v$ m& x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
/ ]7 B8 Y* W2 g: h6 q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* V" Q* x$ c5 F* U+ _
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
0 P, Z5 x4 T% t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
  }; `$ M4 ]: A1 n信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干9 m/ \9 {  Q2 E% _

. ]' f" O: l" R5 y' a9 g以下是其他人的見解,8 x+ R+ U  z: n. R+ D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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% v6 l0 v3 X% Y: w, g  {* N! o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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$ d* a: ]6 @- g# K* [  l! W! Y5 y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, f! j8 R/ T3 v4 x% |# S.............信耶穌... ...

5 R$ B* x9 u0 v% W: Q. ZRegarding the resurrection....$ v* Z/ G: A1 _6 F# A

. {, Y# l0 O; E0 DActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....0 o# }6 z& q% N* n

8 z4 R9 k/ Y, p, R3 r5 o1 uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.