Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
' T- Q1 V% f6 q6 z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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& Q) _, ?$ c, h+ l. H2 [道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 A9 G+ [0 O3 m( E
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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) @2 G9 n1 r. v% _: HNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 R$ a1 t; l  D; q/ o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....5 z2 J+ L% v' ^( K, X3 Q7 }

7 q( m' f- c* q  lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( v7 P# R. o7 @- v* [cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; x9 E. K3 l2 B  I- T+ l3 S
我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 R9 ]: ^% Z0 l
真的!!這不是反話& b- V9 n/ J* R3 E0 k8 P
因為我是情感比理性強的人1 Z! f* O& ?5 a7 W5 Q5 {
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" u2 E1 S* ?  }. Z0 B: w* D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: K# j- L6 V3 [' U: }1 u/ i在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' G, Z8 S% Y& \5 ~( o( mWhat a statement we have here?
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& Q# v( R" ~2 B. q; ]  k1 L& QJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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2 x9 \" `8 ^) H  MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread." j) y) d' ^$ f& X; }* d

3 p3 t3 T. T% F* Z4 n' M4 L( SLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& i: \8 g% x0 P3 O6 R' `

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ P3 ]/ E; W3 U& x' x建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失", b" `* c9 C9 z
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ Q6 z9 T4 B5 ]/ s" `3 G2 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......' o/ i  m5 m1 c& _) o: Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ M' Q5 i6 b7 S- k! M( V% kour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ U* G1 T6 L% h( Z% l
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
0 i# W2 x& ?  |2 T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,' X$ ]" e0 W# R: S& Q: D$ j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! O* Q7 T- _# o如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,; a2 c1 W& \' o4 u( W4 T6 r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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6 J& h- c$ _  s: ^, w9 p( C* f3 O0 K2 i導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 ]& U; l1 T% a5 }; Z0 X好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 ]  |& P% E/ X( a' y( v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
2 F3 s; U8 F, q% B* h5 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* Z& r5 Q+ W  I( z- y6 w+ I

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% v6 b. Y9 R& f5 V
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干0 Y& V" J; F: [- T
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以下是其他人的見解,6 I* B& h1 M6 ]" ~( Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤7 l3 m- n+ ?8 V+ V+ T$ X. l
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm7 a; O8 C( U7 i* N- s" K( N
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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' l# c4 M# G3 H. L# C9 T信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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: S9 M+ `. v! J8 G不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! |3 r, Z5 n1 ?) r8 L/ i同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: \% l$ t; o& C.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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, r5 e% k$ V7 j% \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....) w& c* R/ u. n) K% A
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.