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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:2 S, ?1 j- L" m5 n2 ~$ u

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:" r9 A0 v# i3 a8 V; }

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. w0 L; y  v" a& n2 H: V8 h8 @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:* p8 _; k! J: M7 s# u5 a; Y
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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7 g/ @6 m. z: u1 F/ h! W+ k5 q智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->) B/ S6 ?/ J; ?1 S9 a4 t! Q' U
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維0 M0 W7 s( |/ d; Q

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* R1 y. l2 \$ ?# U打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
! @9 O/ [/ L$ Y* KIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 I! |1 R6 _! ?/ v- B

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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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* C/ M# q% J( d' m8 B2 v& E# W/ HAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:/ q" [: x/ l1 O: a. s" F
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! L! q' p6 A$ B" ~* x他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

+ j8 N/ l& u, hyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:2 ~7 Z; e- W# p: }* X. }: B( O7 D

  N5 m6 I; M8 t4 g% W5 }yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......