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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:* i8 s/ e, U1 W* k3 C
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- i- V7 m$ @9 a) P* I. Q) g
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ j2 }6 T( W! Q  n, H+ q" ^( g6 U

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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" d) Y) N$ d( |! X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:0 s! ]% Y# v2 z' \

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% t; p2 X, a: e) X: {% j0 m  i

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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.9 X$ V, I7 P% y1 d" X4 [

+ }7 N* J7 z% p+ e) ~打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 X# f/ i, z  ~+ k2 y' l

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
6 p9 P" ~2 f9 D5 DIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:) H3 d5 @* [7 A+ @' s) ^

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- F. t  j+ \. Z. c8 ?2 m! iAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:4 g* p: M3 O/ N" s' s. o

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8 ~( b6 g8 Q1 `5 v, wAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:1 \4 j; O. K. g

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: ]4 X% ?' D# \# _他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:7 k! j1 i" F4 M
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......