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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:5 F0 q- Q% j0 S9 R) L
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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9 D' |! h" K8 t$ y: S7 ^5 h# {+ i' d$ dBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.; C7 n8 s1 P: `: f$ M2 z
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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% H/ I+ ~* b$ L" W1 o/ K$ bBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:, p5 O9 U. N: d( d- Q6 C+ N$ r

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9 m  k- T) [( D7 \2 s" n% X其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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( H: [! `# x0 W9 W. U" ysee #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->1 ~1 f7 t3 h" W" q9 O' c

0 m, B! f, m; k9 w1 \軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.% i# _0 M7 R- V/ p# p* c& H, ]
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮." u- f1 O" z2 W7 z" R# N0 R

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
( ?. m$ S, [2 ?! zIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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6 R6 e2 c' a, V2 d他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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( m# n7 t; t3 i/ |' k5 n$ fAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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  P& m$ J- _5 v5 _4 B0 C他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......