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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:+ q) Q7 c# h+ [4 W% s$ K+ a6 G0 p
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:9 j% s0 g. [9 e1 _) d
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:/ O( u' ^& Z$ G

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& f# ?% _8 q& E# H% t8 F; oBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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8 s+ O* q, s& j2 b& f其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維/ V3 G7 _; f- e% Z0 G" f5 B
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.1 \( u: t9 H) c. R" \5 E; U
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:% x) H, X: ]& S* M3 T
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:- H9 f- ?$ {" [, k7 _
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& e/ W+ X' V$ P2 T+ [

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1 Z  I6 L+ Y' l- d+ x6 zAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:0 y  Q% {6 \8 U$ \+ @4 G
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:/ P/ B8 M: N) E, J3 H# _. ~3 H

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......