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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& t" I# z; c2 R5 G2 O+ T

/ t1 e; d% b! r6 H' J, B# ubut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮./ i& W: t- F9 v# p( C! M. L
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:" Q# g1 J6 R6 b  L* S6 u; x

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  r0 E. O/ s! n6 S; [But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:9 P& i. ?" ]0 q: L' [8 a3 H9 ^
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9 O5 G3 i( |9 w1 j. Q! ?其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->( k1 W) r1 z2 \; U0 j! F8 b, s

7 S* ]. Q- S. y7 S$ r" P軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維* }% t: `4 K7 q  ]. b5 G5 n( q
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
8 V9 b; B' h" y/ Y# }/ c. b3 k& jIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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0 e' ^" V% a0 j3 P& _; xAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:5 o$ ]" E2 k6 m6 B8 f- Y

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:- j' g5 G8 g+ p: A
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8 I, w% M, ]" L3 n" t  m& K; y/ l他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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