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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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6 E$ K3 [8 M: ]/ g2 EBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 n8 \1 d/ s$ ^3 _

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:% s/ q( j0 q! d

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0 \3 J/ ~, R* v0 sBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:8 X" L& x( r. h1 A! D

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->  I& w; M. v/ ?: n6 y' g' @( E6 }+ E
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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6 a8 O, V+ X: B7 G- ^0 l政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮./ k4 e1 _- N9 C8 p2 N- h
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 B; ]' ]& S  `) J2 W& y0 u
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:9 U$ ^! l% B0 H  j3 ]& E

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; ^) E+ d2 B: c& N8 M, r. cAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:3 P7 ~1 S. z% [# G
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:' _! p2 o9 e. T. B+ ]
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yes, that's the point.

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9 k, r! K% ~' i- C3 {4 T陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......