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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:* N# R5 M' j& N' n$ r" B$ c
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: a$ Y0 A. v- \5 r) Z4 a0 O% ibut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:, a4 h7 I/ R4 k8 K  o
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. Z$ @' i5 l- `& p7 W" D2 |0 PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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, `+ x2 K& F. V  d$ E) p其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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. V3 k& {  d* P: L5 d其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus3 U; V9 ?0 r  n% ?1 h9 y/ A6 B

9 e% o4 m6 d0 }' l: t9 D8 c智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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8 A  [% a! v4 J. H1 a  C2 l3 T3 U打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.% `2 B* g1 Z, r) f+ t" u7 y* E
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  x, S, \3 i3 Y+ h1 VIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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0 }2 P( O# A, ?1 l' T) q他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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; N+ S( x2 H* x0 j- P/ j/ W% oAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* Q0 W% f1 X+ m  Z
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5 c6 r7 ^) h1 q' }% JAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:8 E+ V% d( r2 y8 ^+ g- b8 y

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6 s) a7 L6 A1 E- _- n: \# W他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

) ]1 ?' [0 e7 z4 M5 Oyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:  B9 u2 c3 u6 x2 t0 ]

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......