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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- z6 d( I9 z! P  Q6 N% sWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???% S% V8 \+ @( c1 U1 e5 K
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢" p0 S3 F# H( E4 k2 ~. P
so銀行可以不斷放款
! w) R+ R1 M* u% Y9 C: i$ }4 Q美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan ' ~: H1 s6 U( G+ b( T9 @* k- e$ O2 ]
>conduit4 X' Q8 K% x1 d
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ W3 p0 g4 R2 x6 V+ j* N( z0 h
>arranger% q9 o1 v+ Y( t- W$ @( v% m
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.$ f; W% c( ~- _0 `1 b7 \
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
! V5 @: R9 r; m# s( {- wmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
: ~2 R# C! Z, Rmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 D2 Y4 Y8 K0 }0 |: p$ B: v
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.' z: |- X9 ^% h$ a, z. D
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
; r0 d8 e9 Q! H6 D3 fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
" @4 Y% u: W/ s2 }normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' s8 H5 h& o6 ~  C* R
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 4 q% R8 D$ b  S5 c/ j
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, r( M3 Y! p+ Q) {/ r- fim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.% A3 O: `# j' ~" R
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 C/ K# E- L8 e- v& x$ G2 l; P/ Z8 K1 a$ Q
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 j& h2 t/ `8 s  O
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 Z7 r5 h) p# d% k; a
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. * g/ B; r: D: G9 b
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.  O; {1 s. g4 l6 ], ]' J2 |

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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 a3 B6 c' H5 \+ c9 _Refer to last example,7 e/ `4 m( g0 V) |- p
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
: ^  }/ D% M' y9 v% ?Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 7 U- ?8 g: a' b9 |$ c4 C8 |
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E8 B: |+ H" j, K3 c0 b9 ]' `2 b4 {
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, $ ~4 B( D% u/ _( D2 h, l. @6 x
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?! U! p) x! D: ~# j

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
% L* o  R% X7 J* Jin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 1 u7 E- B8 M4 |, d$ {9 o
it's the problem of the debt itself.0 p0 k  K/ F. z1 n
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif% r* ]! `. V5 M3 X" @( ~" Y
小弟一直都唔明...3 @! o- N1 @9 ^- l: K( C
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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* v' T0 F' ~& a6 `2 P/ G7 t無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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8 R7 f* F7 p3 n2 Z8 f敬請各師兄解答
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7 V5 A9 |  A2 J; D7 FThanks
* l+ u2 u+ y9 @1 A& m! R; n0 R那些根本係 紙上財富  * f4 t% L4 f" i
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# p% \7 {3 K' h當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 I# n, z/ R- }0 w4 K5 z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊! j% k8 E: q+ a7 x
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦9 [0 @7 T, x: I
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,, ]. z- f" Y( J4 S. V
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺' P0 O+ ?# x9 h
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法0 j" o, w4 a- m& @; V
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得4 R4 R) |/ R6 z  a9 G' {: z
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) N  W* ?  x# }) G4 `  V, s
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, 2 o; C$ v4 x; D: I% s
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
* C1 y4 d# z6 q' h# e5 k所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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& q& K6 V. n9 c/ c0 Q你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" U; i: H9 I" @/ N( Z( \但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
  G5 ]! n2 n8 {& C! C淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 3 ?; O( f9 }' @6 a+ ]
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: T4 i  {' U; E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif/ w) y7 U# K$ y! }) q
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 w& H( L; h5 b" [
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
! J' U+ `6 Y* p$ U+ y& h6 g+ R5 Z呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行4 g6 c3 Y% r* k2 Q# `) `' d- w8 o
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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- L6 ?5 s0 _* q% Y0 `0 [8 b) O正係咁樣6 B8 T  M% y- ~! _, q( y+ t$ u& n
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業# v# p& M8 h8 f+ I- i" f5 ^% H* L
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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& a' [/ C/ B. U( T( L9 b! j% C$ p再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,$ N) \+ A9 h7 E6 N9 l
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票6 |- c3 o! b9 L. A( Y
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
/ }0 F  u6 g* e6 s編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif4 D' W0 }+ v. d+ I- J
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
% l4 I' e& Z0 H  c0 K1 Z! Z$ f! r' `) O( P因為以前未生產, 先消費
6 e& `% B6 {! }8 h: }- ~' \而家就要多生產, 少消費
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