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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 t' c2 ^7 _! o( N/ E* CWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
$ |5 k1 |" |1 }, r1 X7 F$ aI was so confused.....
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; ?+ ?3 f! \3 p; `" g" n講到尾都係賺錢
. ^2 J! i6 O1 _% e; K! |5 Rso銀行可以不斷放款
1 l5 V" c2 ~6 g, W+ F6 r) I美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% |  C6 L- Z' c% M; \' f, ~

! t/ l. \8 w9 w- Lmortgage loan
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& y: H2 h9 |' o9 W3 |4 m8 \) m; U>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)& F. }' f5 H+ S  s, n4 q
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" p+ E5 `. ?" _7 T6 Q" y$ b
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
. a2 P8 S* `( |8 F0 ~9 h5 g) @CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,8 s* v7 m0 g. l% J& D
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.' o' O! V' I6 S7 I6 P
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,! w$ y0 t/ w: {9 W9 o
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.1 a7 d$ e4 s, Y9 w! y$ {: ~
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
, T- }3 L) _2 r! T* E9 t: L6 Y7 gsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
: K5 l$ `; X, D) ]/ H4 A# z: Wnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
( v6 h# Y0 V2 r# I0 ?  feg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. # }! {8 u3 T, D  y; y9 J! r
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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1 J9 J3 C7 c: k9 J# X, Xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) {* u; t  [( s; G9 p5 ^
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 K- @) X9 G$ |" ?, |
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 ^0 u% |6 B% j( s, V. A& B: |$ [5 M
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.7 e6 R" W+ e4 A
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
  [, g5 e3 m0 n8 Ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: p. n' N7 w" M. L
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) |1 Z( _" l1 a6 K7 a
Refer to last example,& [) E3 X" ?0 U+ |7 U
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ u; i: @4 T* K8 g: o1 T3 P, zBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  ^6 G- j1 N4 o; E4 ~5 C# Otherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 m0 `# s; B9 _" VA->B->C->D->E- F9 f) H+ ~: V4 Q& Q2 }
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 B- \. L2 a- S
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?: {0 K$ r5 ~" M
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. n+ P. {" F3 ~  @. F- R$ g, {the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
; S& p; s! v* s' `5 Ain this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 4 q) O% I% X' I& K8 h
it's the problem of the debt itself.+ Q5 a/ T5 e( I7 x! X0 i: x
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' z  r$ Y5 z9 ?8 h( s& g) P9 P  c# ^小弟一直都唔明...2 h# h% q4 X/ \5 F. ?, o: ^/ u+ z8 w$ x  ?
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?5 x7 ]* T* `2 d/ |
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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' G) j* y8 E5 U: v敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
) R# w6 J! b" @4 K- D! N那些根本係 紙上財富  
" P. A  n- W! M* }: E" @7 `各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic) s5 z( }8 C6 I4 D

3 R$ ~  [- s# X! Y1 Ahttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 a$ N: o3 A8 o0 C( A, J5 I/ e3 `當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高/ C$ o. y1 S3 f, ?; ]9 q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
" V, o9 g; q3 e% x個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
& w% ]% C$ p3 `4 ^3 y扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
( D/ [8 D6 A* _計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
9 G) I5 J- p; G7 M前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 M7 [5 P. h& j5 u7 @
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得, h# w: K" h" n
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
; V  D3 g& D; o1 ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,   C2 L# V5 {! u- b
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
1 R- Y) v, c5 B6 n" t0 J& P所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁: O2 e5 y2 m  Z  D, r

4 f. c5 O8 n( R! Q- t% ?2 O; C你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
, f/ X8 ?# ~- a  N  x$ L但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 M- W1 O3 o  U: ]3 n* V& a淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& W2 P. E' y8 X$ |! p' P呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行. U) r2 u1 Q: B/ y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif. b. `. `! Y: }! E' ~9 |! p8 c! n- s* k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 v6 ^7 n4 n! u, e! C2 U5 N4 }
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # W2 D% B8 |6 y# h- T% G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行' ]( u: _$ \8 b, r4 I5 H7 A/ J
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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: ?) I- [3 A3 _, U) f: N( t正係咁樣
; h7 @/ f! B7 j' p其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業) O" _1 f" b" b$ |# s/ Z* [2 X
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢8 q& T# U! I' _  n5 L& E8 e" F

5 k, x  D/ s! l7 F再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
9 o5 `: K1 Q6 j$ y9 P/ Q連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
  @1 _2 q; _0 C7 U一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產9 w! K: r+ Y# Z9 P/ h. u* m
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, O0 `; k" k* c咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: l4 G  C" ~. c5 Y) j
因為以前未生產, 先消費
) y1 j4 i. J$ B, e% \9 i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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