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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  v! `: ~0 B# Q/ |9 XWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???; z5 P; t1 L% F4 \
I was so confused.....
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4 [5 r5 c/ B- o- l/ @7 l/ M9 X( h講到尾都係賺錢" c( ?0 |& z4 f% n$ O" u
so銀行可以不斷放款5 W. ~2 H% O( u) i# h
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界, G4 l6 o% Z, n3 W" [1 n3 @

6 L1 c# y" N6 R/ @6 m, _mortgage loan
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1 p) J' {5 J; I/ F>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)) S% R. p# ?9 ~1 D$ z1 x8 b5 o
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.% l1 q! d  Y( j  f
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,3 c! i, c3 H& T; s9 W6 ?. j$ r6 t
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
  {% R+ D4 x! E) _9 R3 I0 Jmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,* t% [$ z/ p2 h( _9 ?0 v4 m& n
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* I" ?9 ?, a$ {. O: ]# I; p
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
3 d9 b* b3 ]0 P1 q( R8 u$ W( q5 }8 Fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,' O" m9 ?2 |0 m, N
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. / w2 Y7 b& W# K7 {9 C# w  Z
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
" k) I7 F* h" ~  i2 w2 p  dbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% d5 K1 K8 e7 a/ e4 B5 z
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ X; g. e8 C. l9 |& O6 J2 {in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards." Z  ~- g* D" ]
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,, P3 A6 I- s" J. z$ A( j/ E
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; ~+ \5 g' K& YThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 1 Y& y. R# U: q) Y) n
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.- h8 `5 @6 B, \

, d- u2 j- D1 x- V* J% Q, n[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ [' _4 ?5 E/ gRefer to last example,
" G1 s% _% Q, q) m' ?* X0 [( Q0 Lthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
6 P8 o3 @9 l1 h$ ABecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand % F$ m6 U9 K) d! d/ C
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E$ \' _. w3 q: k) T4 ~' X8 n1 _3 k
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, / c" b" w8 {& E/ L
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?% x9 Z" l8 W+ s6 o# G* ^. |. h% n! S
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& @  @1 V, {% F, K' y8 }0 ~the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 Z0 |  |, d5 ~' o0 Pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 v, T# F+ t5 j# U' h7 V& q
it's the problem of the debt itself.
" G9 ], F  J% D0 H! v2 l0 B' q7 Nthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- ~. e+ @- a- t9 W( G
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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+ y) X* @% O+ x3 n% L' S" E5 ~敬請各師兄解答
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! f: b: a: Z/ ?Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  * C  t1 k4 P. s; j* _) I! `) I
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic( x. H- g! X* ^7 T* X) G
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產4 k/ k; s& C0 u4 n8 Q5 W
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
- k7 p3 V% ~5 c, Q/ U: b, l* V於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* z& {2 O) j2 ~. A7 u
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
1 Z" M- d- S: D7 P扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,  d9 f' N. r3 \
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
+ z7 O3 U2 @8 H  }' @: S4 R, s前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法1 Q# j/ ^1 y  M8 _4 b% [; \
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; ?9 H2 Z# o' [# _: _5 U9 _1 h
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 f7 x0 C3 Q: V) H- ]; |
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, # K: m. j9 x  U$ D8 H5 `" P- G
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%( [1 a6 R/ b) s! `
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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. D, F$ @( h; I# R你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
6 l7 y; B/ F- D8 }' q9 k* E但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ( n$ J% C& ^$ q) L. ]/ ?
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
& c! F! B4 v. Q; L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 X# s% d* r  k唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; s+ i3 D/ E1 ^% _+ P, F' C6 u7 _
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ' ~) [  o0 _# M
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 s8 M2 E& n; v. `咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣0 G+ k! v6 ?& i0 b+ _9 @+ @5 b& e9 L6 D
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
% A" w$ A- ^$ B" E) [分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 W1 e* i% K5 h: o; c
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,/ y" m' Q: f5 P" W/ i, ^& [4 T2 D
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票! Y" @$ L2 n/ J- N$ V
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. ]; ?. n& o8 I7 f/ U% M5 C8 m
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 L( _. Q  g! C& }, |/ a/ V" L4 r咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費( ~  d3 v* o2 Z% G* E, B
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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