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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 A' _8 \; n/ y: wWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???' p* x0 a1 ~- y. W  J  ~! A
I was so confused.....
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* h7 T) l% W+ ]: [6 i2 L! M: Y講到尾都係賺錢
# e( o# z! _8 c0 ^/ F. W& G2 ?/ G* iso銀行可以不斷放款
1 p+ |5 U; I" Y& C& f3 G; O美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan 5 v) X7 [+ L& U0 ^& F5 [
>conduit
8 j) w% z# x) H+ B( S5 e>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); m% ^7 G6 C* U# q
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
- g) ~5 C; f; z' HCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,+ z+ H% }0 ?/ J3 _7 [$ ^
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
! Q- e! W3 @; _) Fmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 q( \) j& Y' A$ Z* M4 Bin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
! A4 @, g1 E! }" i- G7 c# TAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
- j9 E/ G9 R4 ^similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
9 S, o/ ?* D, e1 a" _- }- T) R4 qnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
$ N/ x& q5 d, h2 P0 ?eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 8 Z6 ]( v0 X- `
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.) }/ |5 v6 r  {) s4 i; O

$ n6 |8 U& x. _4 q# E# Uim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
) E: @$ w6 S6 \& m5 V; Pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.7 e6 c. e# ]! V8 U
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
% c# X' h* d' A! r* {2 mA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
7 Z6 Y4 ?. p% R/ I$ G5 `The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. & C" L+ B  C8 F, t2 t
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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, T4 h, ?+ Y: O3 J; ]' u[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* `; S2 O( Z+ }8 mRefer to last example,
  d- J, k0 ?3 D. F1 v9 U. ^' \that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
$ i& o0 d$ s5 C- r0 d: IBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
3 a2 h( W) M8 v4 N3 ^& `: @3 Mtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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8 R; D1 y: ^' V. kA->B->C->D->E
2 u* Y5 C! k' l6 s+ d& eso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
+ e+ Z- l1 U! ?( M* R' aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ; i) e+ o& E# E
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
4 H0 g) e0 C2 t6 l" G! L1 Yit's the problem of the debt itself.
  P" V8 `- d: l* z7 }( Mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif9 l- P; }8 ]3 m3 b8 r
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?7 j9 b, p( {, z6 I! q) p: {1 v
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...3 h4 U: t  \: r! r

& {; R& ~5 f* Q9 _敬請各師兄解答. e2 U* @& I6 _: B9 `2 T( ?
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Thanks
* ^. C& V0 u0 F8 W, P; f  O/ M那些根本係 紙上財富  
' ^5 M$ x' }& b9 K- O各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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, K, Y! O7 d/ G5 R" @http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產( s  N3 W. H1 N' G: `
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高' @0 k' Q/ M0 z5 y8 {- `1 E
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊0 S: \( E4 P1 v' r( B
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦" s* O8 u+ L7 F
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
4 Z8 i; Z6 s& I3 h( b* Z; d3 f5 V* }計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
. S3 i% g, q5 K8 z前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法9 V4 q2 O3 ~4 |; I& q& O3 t: }
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
$ x) F) j! `2 S6 s但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
1 Q( I0 e1 r" p) m3 q& K例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ( t* G. P( P4 G+ E
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
7 Q7 m0 S8 }, N( _' }; D+ a3 H% u- U所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,   F# _) A8 B. p; T+ g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . b7 S8 R7 _- m4 `& u5 h0 y1 s+ r* j
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: \7 m2 ^( x6 ]* M  ^呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行: c+ w4 X8 U8 P" M* e7 D
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
- ~$ D  c% e% I2 Q唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 2 z5 L2 W: L: q" k6 u* E" O) h7 J
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. r% i3 s/ _& r1 o6 }; i  W6 Q1 {5 F呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
" o$ S9 G7 U1 O咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣7 [( @, J* j; v6 ]+ V
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
& |" Q$ i3 U3 D; j' d+ c分分鐘佢地唔使還錢' h8 l7 k9 w& J

6 j: i0 }  v$ E/ P: x1 n" }* t2 A再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
4 Q1 Y1 V% M- T% S* b, W連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票; R9 K" H: K5 T% U9 j
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
0 ?% {3 T& X9 M: N8 d: X& q編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 N8 M; m2 J. k9 O% h+ `. e咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( s6 C, Z/ V9 [' r* c因為以前未生產, 先消費
# [2 n1 @) {2 S3 W1 @' U1 s而家就要多生產, 少消費
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