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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 ?: ~& s6 J" \* i7 L3 F6 ]. v# V
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
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講到尾都係賺錢; p$ y  d' `( ~8 m
so銀行可以不斷放款
; D7 g& X8 ?! f$ r3 o美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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4 l  L' {' }6 T. ?  K$ f3 s' Kmortgage loan
' E: m$ Y+ ?6 D/ F>conduit
) D# j  w7 {9 ~>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.7 B4 e% F/ h8 E/ A' t, j  k
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 o! s6 N4 E6 v% ^, M
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., B3 F! j6 t& D( H8 f4 y' V
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 J8 Q" L4 `/ J; Q+ q) {! c, V
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.! `! Y5 N. n- q) \4 W
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.# s7 [9 B1 ?/ o2 n
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
( N. v/ k7 d. `0 L6 }) G1 w4 Lnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
! A! t, A  ?# V8 xeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) E: r/ d/ B9 R2 P* d# f  w
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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" a: i  S  Z. m" j) N, [7 j7 L3 ~8 Bim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
% ~2 o- j% G9 j4 e4 I# Jin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.6 M8 D  h( |, r5 r& V3 Z
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
0 r: c" \( B* K: D% [+ y* vA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  m3 k* }$ ]( k$ _- g# M$ \The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. $ F+ `3 U7 u+ s0 e. A
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.; V: \; v" ]( r8 A! O4 i& c
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 w( ^0 C: I# gRefer to last example,9 U4 i, H- o6 s1 ~& O; C3 v5 C, n
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 g) B6 q3 Z6 X' r3 T2 x
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
7 @. `% C4 d+ r! dtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
( u' F6 E3 G: G, c7 ~/ z& g0 xso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
9 e! c  e( @+ @6 z0 \, ?7 ~3 ^2 Lall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?" @2 }2 k: Y% u4 s1 ^: X

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 s1 ?* Q, b3 H* J) Iin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 5 n1 Q! `2 x$ c9 w3 c
it's the problem of the debt itself.
) ?9 \7 b$ I' tthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 S8 \0 H1 d. h, q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 |! \% S( R* k+ q6 ]8 P
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...$ d" {( S+ |  S8 N, }
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ }% m$ H  q$ O; k- C各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
$ u" A4 x' Z7 Z! d( `當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高3 W; C5 [$ x# u6 h
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
# w( v/ {7 V1 r3 w/ e個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- z& n5 {3 v. p, ~# p扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
1 T' {' L  a  w3 v計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺: e( ~# A. m! D3 ?1 ^4 ~9 e! c$ o
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
! a3 L# f* g/ b9 o+ \2 `# Y  |0 k同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
8 j% H3 {) c1 F但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺% g6 e, I: z) ?; i
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
: V8 F$ J/ {2 i( I9 `+ p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%2 T8 ^" |; p: l! [% I. w
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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( u) [9 w3 o' v7 j$ A6 n: r你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, % M; m% `0 g( D6 m1 B, W
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
+ _  a- _& A7 N9 x# b( K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 2 N3 I+ ?+ e+ I% I2 E
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, W& M1 B0 A& \+ ?* u& h' }) k
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / Y: b7 F7 Z8 \$ V% ]' F& Y0 r
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
$ n' k7 E1 J3 Q呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
$ G2 k7 D. N3 F/ n咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業% y+ E- H9 A) Q% P! I4 ^. W: a1 \
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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: V! ?+ D9 U& V/ b0 a9 u再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,% c" w5 b+ {/ |, q
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
4 a, k1 l7 x0 {2 e* r( Z4 c# Q) J一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產" f: m3 g/ ]! p7 v1 j! {
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! @- E  X0 l; i* D4 p( D咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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; f- R6 R9 g$ P6 E其實係...
' N# I; w2 s, m2 A# e因為以前未生產, 先消費, r8 P7 i( _& v  M" F* _
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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