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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
3 e. i% [4 ~: F+ B$ ~# o5 W$ aWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
1 T) X" \$ \8 U. |% eI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
- z7 m" S6 U4 L  E! x# q6 p( }so銀行可以不斷放款8 i4 S5 O6 P3 I
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界+ V, |& v4 ~9 q! L6 Q! {

, Q7 @" @$ i/ I  N3 j- C! i  amortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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* C' \0 }( G& |3 U>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)' b7 Z' ]5 M: |7 k$ T  S" B
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.4 r# l. b9 J- g5 ~$ ~" B
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,# g& z1 U# U% z. V& a( f, q! K( ?
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ \% x. ~3 b1 q5 F* V1 ]
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) X$ O4 e3 u9 b1 gin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
2 r6 K6 a0 A0 p& aAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
% \/ K7 ]; q/ V, bsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) I, C6 Q( M+ {$ A5 X
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
1 h  ]- ^1 Z) o, ?eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ) W2 [9 _: ~! N0 I) f$ x
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.( K0 A: W2 e4 F  \( I( w' `( [
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.1 e  O$ g% r  X7 F: T5 t+ |/ C0 `# V
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 _7 L6 o" g# }! G% w' p' K$ W
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; Q# I" i+ ]- o/ z* HThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
1 L6 `% p  A0 F& o1 ebut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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- ^# l' X8 i* z7 T. W[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 _5 m/ q& k1 r! p1 A* `
Refer to last example,4 s0 F8 d' D: `  F
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
, y1 N# ?5 o; FBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
6 i6 R( ^4 N+ K# Q4 v  _therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E( z4 c' X, W; W. T0 e
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 3 _/ V0 f1 K% k" V
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, 2 l' v% p# }0 W* }6 @
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ! L, ?9 F/ E( r- M8 ^  ]* s
it's the problem of the debt itself.( G4 F; K$ |/ R0 \& P, o
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 ^2 _: |, z+ N; P5 `
小弟一直都唔明...0 s: x% k& n: O6 Y: u. Q- t# a- J/ f
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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& f( D9 a* l6 Y! r+ I敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
7 T5 K& `3 z" n那些根本係 紙上財富  
* x- `1 T; r- a1 j各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic& R+ b1 t/ h; U% C
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
2 o. A  e: L* R1 D當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
# h2 C2 F  j4 n( r7 Y/ p2 J/ D於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 n/ e" B: g4 `+ y" ^9 l6 w" q8 J個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
( G# `# m; `2 j2 T5 ^5 K; k扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,) ~+ {; g  ^; i! _, G! j  u2 z
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 V" G2 l3 I% w- V& O0 b  G$ B前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
2 W) h+ h: ]+ k) l5 H同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
& a/ }+ f, z/ x; k9 C  D2 ?4 {2 M但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
, C- d* W" `# k, M% K! z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
& J1 e0 ^- f2 b* Y6 P咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
% s+ F6 e; [' |, Y所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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3 R0 ~( T& `# O6 f  p$ L你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
3 J" ^* B* m; [! l. Q2 ]但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! H- h2 S$ Y3 ?
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, * a8 _$ Y8 ^) [1 U. |/ [2 N! `1 p7 w
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif7 o& s9 `" a2 k( r
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
$ c) d3 b2 w/ G  G( T6 [淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + r" U0 L/ {. j4 m0 l7 O. G
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
8 L# E  U. @, z6 E9 X& u2 Y$ J* T咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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- {# Z% s3 }6 D+ ]: y) `正係咁樣
) w  d9 H  l+ d2 d1 F8 }: j7 r其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
/ R% f) ~' d- D% ]4 z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 t1 Y6 }. V+ G: }
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
* J$ @1 N- B! t  f編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif5 h7 Y: p& D& n, ]" C: t
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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6 ~( C. J! `1 B; D7 M' G其實係...6 g5 ]; g. |5 Y/ I
因為以前未生產, 先消費* G4 F$ T' H, i" C
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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