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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 T0 r  m2 C" u* J7 [  V
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 B: _! f3 ^0 S, {I was so confused.....
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# V' F0 K& L9 N" g# _  h) [講到尾都係賺錢
  W( g6 D* W6 E0 i9 Uso銀行可以不斷放款# L3 W% `; L  y: o) a' _
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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! u2 V$ Q* \) f7 Q, Zmortgage loan 2 O) u- H9 B3 u3 U
>conduit
2 a$ R8 r# s% x>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
2 G" {7 q! u6 v+ Q- tCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,0 V+ W; L+ b$ |0 S7 M# z; c3 T
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
1 q" Q  S, U' m: u" h( t4 [. ~main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
+ V$ `  @# U" K9 N/ l/ Z% rin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.( l/ S. S  P+ H# N. h
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.* C/ {- M" D+ ~. \, X
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,3 o# z/ u$ x' s0 t( e: C
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. , U9 M- _5 R' q$ o( Y/ z2 a
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
+ g1 P: V6 ^) ], O) K( |  C. {1 Obanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% s- ~5 I9 N$ \

" h1 C! v( ]! l3 H) Zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.8 U/ y% E: L8 W: A, W
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  p2 @  |/ d* g; rFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
5 e" P) x. i9 z6 e4 z, @A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
- I9 |4 o& O( S* V) ~# w8 yThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + ~1 y; c& ~' l0 d  t4 z( }  s9 b
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.  r  i) U' h' F, e" l: x+ b

" ]1 T$ h3 U; q, J) z[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ^& `6 t6 q9 x4 l) I
Refer to last example,: d2 Z8 F; y4 w( \
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
/ c# Z; c; d" j4 cBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
  U, P+ C6 ^6 T" j+ O8 ptherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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! d/ u0 Q4 L" E2 E7 V# `A->B->C->D->E7 @; O' t% R7 s4 U2 t# ?
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
' I9 e  Y5 f# b$ w. K# x) aall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?3 p- d2 z3 ?: L; o

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) I6 x0 K8 v4 Z5 I
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, . P7 {8 x: R7 W; Q+ Y2 M
it's the problem of the debt itself.* g* \! w7 ]/ O. U3 o7 c, z
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* l* x( V$ j! ?4 a- }4 m& B: @
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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' w2 Y9 w9 i4 A2 Y- h無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " T6 k3 `+ T' v" ]- O  T1 L& t
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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# S3 E7 H. x4 H7 E6 ?! fhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
- X! k; E$ B# u  Q9 }3 N4 f當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ P, y% S# z7 S( O1 z. a5 V於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 |# J! X+ W4 _
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
' ]) b( q# x6 Q! M1 I0 l! O# R扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,- _5 W; \. W: s" Z! F
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
/ y  n2 G" D% H/ f前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
& Z$ S% K' C: e; E' K' ?6 R# c同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
/ l! Y  W0 f4 P" Y但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺, n! L$ P  [. a, Q
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 P" Q1 l# n7 n咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ K( a! I# f( G
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
; _, g' P8 {* X' Z; u8 V但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ; L9 v* j- a- S: G! `) v: O
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
( z5 \8 ~, u4 S) w0 I$ l6 z, |* n) X呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  L$ P/ B+ n+ l; Q0 e* N+ Z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
2 K& ?& b6 k* J* h* v+ v% R1 B淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
- X3 P; @5 }) ~% H9 |! [" O( B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* @2 E5 y7 S& e
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣' i2 a+ ?4 K9 ^3 T8 P6 F; m4 ?
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" p1 z% `% v- ?8 f$ s3 P$ Q: B# S
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢0 N8 O7 W$ H, l. W# W

& O" P! N2 W5 |/ r% d9 ~' ?再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,( |( r* S/ I3 G) v$ R1 N, z! K
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
6 \$ D" [# ?& O一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
9 Z( [! [( q- j0 ^! O. N/ K編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" Y( F; W5 @! U/ [
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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因為以前未生產, 先消費
, ?4 V5 t% j9 s  S* I而家就要多生產, 少消費
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