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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 ~1 ?& z) s3 X8 ?+ N5 nWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
' `# v) o, C3 s4 J6 j2 YI was so confused.....
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, W: q% o3 B. {3 `7 v' l講到尾都係賺錢
% x2 z2 s! F, x3 v2 F: O3 D2 ^so銀行可以不斷放款
1 A. B" @: B/ c( n美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 X$ c0 F6 q8 d; C8 }7 |! @
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mortgage loan 0 h& v; r: j7 D! y( _7 K
>conduit
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>arranger2 d* J  l" Y/ k4 T2 T
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ B0 K/ V1 K0 W) _  ?6 N" GCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
3 a5 N; {2 a% t* K+ Q, amore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
) N& e" _5 q- c0 B& L+ ~main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
0 k" j, d  _! k; u6 k6 L/ D, V! nin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 u6 D) b7 [. O3 K! D/ r# ]& UAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( g/ ^3 p1 L% n1 Z* a
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
; l. b- D, h( Y+ \9 Vnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
0 e; o$ \( s% j# Qeg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
- i7 g9 `+ [/ A. [$ r, r: tbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.. @% @, ?4 H( `6 p# ?7 p
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
0 E/ m4 [3 W( u5 X* ]+ o  TFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
4 h* h5 q4 y, ]- Y6 h" k: gA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ |: q$ I) r+ D5 o. ^1 v5 o& b
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. - a4 N1 r1 {! Y+ N& M- H7 O+ j
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly." p  T! Y$ ~8 P, T

4 y8 j( |# Q/ A1 A[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ c% a1 {9 G) x4 j
Refer to last example,
+ j( j+ r$ l* X9 uthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 8 d- d1 h9 l0 f  z6 F/ T
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand : H( N. [  i: w2 w5 x
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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4 @8 `5 L  p- r- NA->B->C->D->E
8 g$ O- f* l+ e2 c( W3 kso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
0 {9 N! S: J/ h' D0 o4 g5 h2 R( Kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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( {( [+ e7 G! X7 A% |the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + x* i: B, z; {* L9 ]4 I5 r& `
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
) E: h6 T/ e2 j! C8 U; o4 |3 Kit's the problem of the debt itself.! G+ P+ V  x! a) i' l
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
$ \. p# V' j/ A& y5 l小弟一直都唔明...
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* ]" L7 m% {7 b" T* l7 W全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?6 t$ n- W# |8 z7 E( z4 h' q. P

% T% O3 j& X7 O, P/ l  M& }無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 N3 }( _( u+ h9 {$ Z' w3 \! f7 t
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敬請各師兄解答
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7 K7 K# P, _. X' r! R' AThanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
9 |5 p0 F- K: H) v各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, X* r* x  {7 w
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產3 Y  C5 Y5 W) K6 w8 q7 Q2 R
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高  Z* R  q* p* F# G5 Y
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊8 o# q9 c8 Y4 S% W$ T1 `2 s
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' N: T1 {, }2 E, o% ^6 ]& x3 s
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 P4 J/ p7 t! H& b/ G7 E. r
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺5 ?: K3 A* t0 F5 f  \
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法) P# f" q) @) x- H! a
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得) w* R$ G7 u3 j$ N% Z! w
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
# Q4 D8 R  l7 j/ d$ H; ^/ p/ _例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, * s. `$ G7 H) w
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 C: c7 y" P$ U所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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& }5 a5 G+ j- E( T0 ]% T' G# H9 `7 U你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * n+ u& T8 ?! `/ S4 c8 p
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
! p+ e) ~: b) @, Y9 S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 s* Q" C' ^1 h% E! W% w呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行* A; I0 B2 ]$ n3 G7 r
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% X5 Y: h7 C2 p6 r9 t7 u+ ]唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
4 @; f% J  z6 A4 A+ t8 [3 ^/ S淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
. A4 a3 |% E6 C. O( }2 R+ B呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" m# x! V, m4 m# m# m
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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4 G: s8 i& y+ u8 i" W8 F/ y正係咁樣6 Q7 U4 l9 p) y! I0 o4 ?& q+ s
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
1 E8 j' {/ a; z分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  a8 O, ?% o8 f

' H1 g" H4 A; |8 h1 p! k9 B再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
, B$ @# Q# b/ `3 ^" T連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票8 X% x5 U/ K  Z# Y! @
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
5 i, s( K% x! w. p2 O編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 @  i& Q1 I) B; |0 k" r咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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5 k  w1 t' P* ~" i7 `1 f其實係...5 H, d1 }& e' x' ?
因為以前未生產, 先消費
9 W/ ^9 W) p/ ]& U( i而家就要多生產, 少消費
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