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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
6 f$ g7 g: s# H/ S0 |Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???- y0 d- v" e  w* C* _! P
I was so confused.....
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0 {) Q7 n9 {7 o( P2 w( G講到尾都係賺錢
- C) N% M8 I2 @$ ]7 y) Hso銀行可以不斷放款) }* X+ w& m0 {" R# s7 i- N
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 P8 J, |2 L" s
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mortgage loan + V! o7 m1 P0 x" t
>conduit
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>arranger
8 _" T* Q6 ^2 `3 d$ E  w>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ r" }. w4 f" _5 _) f: b1 `
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# i/ ?! z1 C' Q1 O2 O. z
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
7 H3 R: ]; Y3 ]% p; `6 J8 Umore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.$ U' ^" P, U, ~9 h0 l2 q: a6 g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,1 p" S& j2 \) [! B: R$ Y5 b& E
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
! t6 u4 ?. `* o0 @5 aAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.1 g# y" m" Y) ^0 C: g
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,: H2 u& h: d$ K* F; p
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 2 e- M4 d. B5 K  _" l8 h
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ' I% v- E$ N1 J' g0 q# a
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party." J* d- j5 ^. C! V; Q
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.$ `2 K6 b7 F4 j7 h: E  w4 g6 u4 P
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.) d  ?  D- L/ ^8 j5 h8 o8 ?
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
: J; l- M) b& f* RA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.1 U: n/ e- o# {
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
) p/ Y; {' f! B7 S+ |but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: u; c7 p4 f$ X! C( PRefer to last example,  h) G. v; [: ^, v
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 \/ o2 q2 c) n5 }* M! A) `& V8 l8 d
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand $ t( q1 R/ P7 Q6 R* O
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
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all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?/ M! z. H: Y5 l, v) t, n) O6 q
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
( L- ^  V4 D" }- qin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 X9 N1 O8 X/ y, n5 Y" Q* \# P+ K5 uit's the problem of the debt itself.
8 d9 }) \$ Z: j/ [! vthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, U( n* [5 h" Q1 u
小弟一直都唔明...8 |# k/ ?. [! j5 @

* Z  J. Z- ~3 V5 Y全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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) A7 h3 A2 s0 l& [; c" [( T: U! n( H無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛.../ w1 X+ N0 h- L1 Y) Y* B

' a3 l* d# K. x( t1 x敬請各師兄解答+ U% R$ }! z, y+ k( e9 p+ m* M! I% T

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那些根本係 紙上財富  3 g8 ^4 O2 {( e! ~8 }4 D
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic9 e# ?! ?; _, p. h' X5 U
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產) B/ p' m. N, U) P, C% B
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
& ]5 v! q* M9 f: g' o. _# E3 m! P於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! H" s: Z* r. j個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
  m- u) K$ T7 m7 d) n扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,7 m1 m# l( L4 R% V6 e, E$ p$ J
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺9 `/ i6 L% E* b3 v# p' D9 ?
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
$ E  n. Q* w) p) [  v同埋個市場既前境要係好先得+ S( x% |; H7 ~6 ?
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺' O) R6 E$ Z& y" \  q7 @
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, " D, K$ w/ T' z1 H2 T8 Q) a; C! G
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
/ b/ P- u; v1 g0 P7 Y3 K4 U所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁6 [- E1 N4 D! K2 M! {

! m6 E; n: {1 ?; h1 t) s# k/ J5 M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
4 P" p; Q# F9 {& ]9 _: Y+ h4 `但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行# g! [' M, i$ i! a' N! L
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( i: F/ P# Q" O( g/ p8 g
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
9 i& x+ g8 F& w1 D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, # C( {. A1 n( X3 k& @. n) W# q5 L0 P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 r' g( L( ^& ~, i' b5 H
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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  v+ H2 Z3 X: o正係咁樣
9 |# k" b$ r: k0 a4 m) X. |, \其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 s5 o6 j) h2 h+ l( r8 y! p- F
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 U3 x4 \" l' k0 A5 u0 m; \) z
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 D0 z9 F! M/ P- U) _1 }/ ?- C
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 c7 W  I7 j) ]
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) j, j; C9 r0 c  a編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 ?+ o$ p% ]% @" B% T& o咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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. }$ i* _" f9 R/ Y* n) H其實係...1 b" a, h, E) U: f$ G
因為以前未生產, 先消費
$ \" n5 ^4 t, k' J+ S而家就要多生產, 少消費
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