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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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" u. F8 ~9 k* Z7 L9 |$ Z/ wbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.8 K; L: @! z# z

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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$ y+ }9 H# R$ p4 y' R其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:$ o. Y) F" `- L) D- O) |

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6 s3 C& K3 W3 W; M$ V) o9 [其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->, f1 L8 @4 a/ @/ y! K5 C
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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" o. c( ~9 ^9 U; l打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.. s: \1 A: D5 E* H/ k- k

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:( `( `& ^5 U& C1 x$ `8 X
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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  Q2 l$ m' _" e) j3 F4 v( l  AAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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$ N  D. y, t6 U0 \! G) o) \Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......