Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:" T0 D* c  E  }: k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人3 L) R& |2 M. k, u9 m8 o  [' T
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢% k3 @! `9 m* T. z: C
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
. f, W3 E4 _( |3 }" q7 a呢D就係做人的悲哀

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, J0 f: q. n5 A  R9 m* eNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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; Y" d5 a! [. V4 X6 S, t- J7 F: DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 [9 @4 D0 I- s3 c' P2 g) o5 B
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: p' b* s5 {, Q, p4 ^

6 ^9 v# k8 K* c/ H  T3 Z: wstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
# |. q" r% f9 r" A0 j9 ^cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 O- ^  L4 F( z' r7 z, t
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... L/ B& I3 y& `4 O8 Z0 r" `
真的!!這不是反話# _+ b! a7 S, E- _- p
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ T- M6 Z* w/ I: t. a- L/ J以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,* _- W) @9 R# d, X: s
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ s2 X$ N) S1 z! r$ E! g: ]
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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# Z8 a- ?7 q3 H, h3 ^1 a, HJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 Q# ^) |* c( I# U

$ e3 A8 |4 S4 n; q4 f/ eI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; u* L# J' V9 r

4 Q  I2 a! a% L* j& ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"/ {. O$ b) F2 f2 [( a, s
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
1 I; }  \0 \0 k1 y+ f5 _but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 d: U+ G, V$ t8 f5 Q1 |
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it's starting because we have sins......9 ^* `* Z7 R- L) U1 @5 f; c+ ~& L
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 L/ O% y# o- N' @( t. your jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
  @2 r" l; p  J2 p0 D% s只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,3 T! |3 d! H/ A- L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
: m  f% }$ ^+ \* {. W, t* r  a這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' r+ ]3 \% _+ u: [& n" Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
7 A  s8 u' ~" ]. _- Z- V, d6 h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
( \% V6 G8 O" G. f# Q好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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" k  }' R2 g" t( u3 b/ {  J+ d% @一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, \% Y& [5 ~6 o9 Z7 T$ W- y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法: W. T$ H' K* S( \+ V9 u
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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0 X/ A& y' |2 E吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 c% F  Y7 |2 j  a信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 F! \! q* r( g7 Q) f3 \

! o  Z1 L5 S$ [' y: j) j6 `以下是其他人的見解,
6 c/ H  w0 c2 q4 |看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 x9 `, W; _& G/ ?
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 o7 D. ?5 x; h+ j6 N

) e/ K, q' M) V2 p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 w) {" [( X4 B  |( X) f+ ]" t
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) L: }+ C6 O. C& I1 n8 ~.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( L9 u* `/ t3 z$ y

# a! g" U+ d7 `" m9 ~) f& x% tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ [% C) Q! }4 X' e7 `2 @0 B. uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.