Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, k' f, j: v3 S; h我係一個連自己都吳信的人. S7 D0 f8 J: m- ]1 M: F7 P
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 B, t7 }* r* t/ B* Q* ^
道理我知道好多只係做吳到, x: J2 l* Y+ Z! o$ v. M( [! M. P# c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- L! z/ U) Q7 a. `) ?5 k

7 Z- k8 n2 q. o: N' jNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- }& y# u5 m* i

+ w; Z% O0 N2 b& ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 y$ o4 E# X5 y3 ]' [# l, S. _1 p. gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....: v  i* U; w/ H
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( Z8 E2 s( b% P8 n0 \
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
8 a! {& K% X, s% F/ `4 k所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* r$ b( F; ~' Q+ h& g' m
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# S- P* ^. O; c5 X: j
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...- @2 ~4 ?4 o3 _+ s4 o
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, e3 w" M& o% E) W$ `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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5 w- S, d0 B+ I& q- Z7 m' Q: II do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.3 C5 L$ g8 C) T' S  _
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 w* U. f9 f; e5 h- R! x' W
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ y, ?5 a$ M' g6 X) s建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
# r1 F) B. U5 S4 W' fYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
0 V$ X& u8 m* u! A) s, p5 z( H$ fbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ \! D# A: d9 s
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it's starting because we have sins......
6 t4 H3 X4 C& x% g/ C4 t5 j- J& Jsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; }; Q: d5 R; K- |' J( d% _
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", q( s9 R9 j9 o% r8 Q
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ A8 O  u' q& c0 @) b用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# G' X2 U6 n# f3 O! v+ |這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全3 L# ~( S2 S. g
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% K* I7 }" |2 W& Y8 r* D而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 |* Z) X* a8 o8 v& D  `

' b; @. @. A6 n5 J導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( X7 E( ^! |! x* Z
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' A6 H+ O' ]* E: _! A

: I6 D& P# D7 d! |2 l8 Q8 o# h一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ g$ ], X! ?+ p/ U- o3 d/ a* o
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 z: Y& v6 t3 P( @美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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% R+ Y: W; a+ f5 @4 S吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 m# j* ]; D' e. m' ]信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ h" T5 `" u6 h' F3 l' z8 I5 ?
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% ^; A8 b9 B5 g( K) g
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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9 {0 l0 i% d7 @4 \" d7 Y6 X/ Q. U" O不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!! i8 n: J/ r; G
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ J' u  ~- e- ~: g% w# Y( w8 j* ^4 o
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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  ^3 [0 m' v! QYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.