Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 w5 \/ h# A; q4 V3 m我係一個連自己都吳信的人7 v1 ?" m- u. e1 i$ B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢& g# J8 G- r- r- Q* ~0 E% I0 K( g
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!7 J4 A: v5 ], c: |' h; G" G3 ]+ r

3 A0 Z5 \" H* g4 W$ _: V  R/ C! GNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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) D# _( _" Z4 X. a, Umr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 V9 F2 z, |% y! Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; D. m8 T0 l: x* o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ W8 _" M* N% s
我只不過微小的基督徒...................4 I! u9 j. K- I4 C+ ]; W) z6 E5 a
真的!!這不是反話* B2 d6 s- w; }! L6 x
因為我是情感比理性強的人
4 n$ \7 m+ j' W( f9 V$ s0 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* c, ]! |& S5 D% L* k' U- P
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  Y5 h* }) N2 @- z' I- H
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...+ |4 @9 ^" s; A% F. e& I
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:: m# w9 a. t; x5 t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& o; G  l# S+ I2 d+ t; LWhat a statement we have here?2 i  j% I% Y3 m$ B

: G, U/ u. q2 _! f2 }8 O( m1 ]7 ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 z& u* U+ O. T: f1 M% T8 }. ]
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# C% @% p1 b$ r0 v2 y

5 J% w8 C7 C# VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 l# P1 \  ?! @2 C2 M+ _" p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 J) S+ W6 p$ _+ YYes, we can't "control" the religions from others....." A& v5 D* I# r# k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 v/ A+ C. B# E0 J% W$ `
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it's starting because we have sins......
1 l" a. _6 P5 S/ rsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
4 }( M: J* f# B" K( pour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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( f, ]4 W1 j9 B% B8 f用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 H; O4 `4 X  }; u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全# O. q* y1 ?9 [2 x, ]2 h5 n8 _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 \. d1 b7 G' Y; c# m; u
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 C0 L" z0 S) a) f導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ b; B$ B$ l' _  p6 a9 w
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
! ], {, S- }9 a. ]3 |% ^2 ^改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 [+ [; `$ y8 s" H: u美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...$ Z( c# O% w# z
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- W" ?. a( Y: K) ~- W1 g( ~( V信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干- U: {1 G) s2 s# P
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以下是其他人的見解,  ]5 e8 g; n- O5 N% M+ ~1 Z) C
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ J( V$ r- m! }) X  n4 n- R
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( t# c! f9 v) l/ z1 V/ k

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) V4 Z7 L1 d/ T' I/ _; J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 I1 y# a( K  C5 Y9 u4 \' O4 h.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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& p$ L+ C0 @7 [4 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ _. d, S1 r# |( [+ l# ^3 EYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.