Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- l7 b" w6 u; A% S% [& ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到! `1 v0 P) k( S: ~4 b- J
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& E2 a  P+ n, A) a" J% F5 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....9 v' f& g; g! Q8 r, l6 ]+ l
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 I9 Z9 {1 N/ j6 ~6 Ncheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- ?3 y" O. M, P, R' ^8 N
我只不過微小的基督徒...................( d- U3 B: ?& A6 n8 N7 @
真的!!這不是反話
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( x5 U; ]! y$ x2 |所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  Z% U! L  _7 b% s% H# x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,0 u  b+ A6 S9 P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% t9 k7 Y) S8 u, _# _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.' p/ x5 @4 _& c5 z0 t! g4 \

8 n& F8 a1 g4 @8 q; _1 BLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& ~7 c. z) |* f3 Y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# K9 F& C1 j% p- Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ {# l# h- F0 [* G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 d( b$ e9 S1 F0 x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ }, l) v- G( x2 ?. N
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 V" o" I! g/ r4 f, p6 O& Z6 z* L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& ?- @6 q' ?* g$ Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ M% F! b6 o& N9 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! y4 w$ M/ b+ Z5 A而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 g: T$ x4 W* J% C, X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ T: M& w5 j- e- B6 L好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 N$ l' Y" n' O吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# g; Z9 O) w5 P8 ]% R5 K信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,; u6 X+ |- Y0 S; E5 d) }
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!) h3 K+ f8 J2 d6 I+ v) }. K* f6 ~2 c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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0 p. ^3 Y/ e  ]$ zRegarding the resurrection....
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: K' o0 L* }# s+ C$ A9 uActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.