Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
+ l. Z" o- v4 e! h) Z' P3 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人& U7 n& Y) w8 R
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
+ R( S' j8 n5 U* Z9 L8 y道理我知道好多只係做吳到; H3 ]2 f2 l2 V
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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( V: H: U$ x8 I- XNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ q0 E( B4 [! z+ w1 d) ?9 h' m

( D8 p& m9 |5 [, w3 q. wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." p& E3 z* c" s, ]
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....5 O+ C, |5 }/ X. F. [4 U3 |/ t$ o
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!+ N/ r: _+ t2 Y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 I: n8 ]$ k: Q( F" s/ K
真的!!這不是反話
+ u  J1 _2 [- r: j8 A4 K因為我是情感比理性強的人
* H1 A+ U4 m9 J5 d9 i4 I% w5 R- O5 p所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 o/ Y; h. I# A( s' @6 y( H以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
$ k8 ?5 S* o. l9 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 d6 m; `% w" X2 S  C4 g8 H* k
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
* F6 x7 a! S( O, D建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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& Q) {8 C( Y* I. |5 Y3 q1 QWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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# y. k# Q: x- E. K* M. z8 pI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.# z% e; Q8 g; ]( n: r& Y

+ [4 s' V3 ?) Y/ A) E# i, V, a3 E5 JLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( X/ V/ T# @) E+ R' y! A; \
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) j" F3 Y( k0 P建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ J7 c, d7 J& _  W, H"不信也沒損失"
6 x9 c5 y! x  b1 }6 B  _" n4 L% OYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ U4 Y& i5 I$ G3 ~+ G
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* T# G* b2 @6 N

4 a( |2 h% ?6 K0 x5 Y8 T+ ]it's starting because we have sins......
  H1 L. x3 y( Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ \5 ]; a! f! Y  [our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' Z, }% V6 o9 u# e# W' L! L  k6 H9 n
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
: s' w/ ]( |4 m6 y0 Z4 ^$ @用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- e" V  ]/ ]' Z6 d& B) P" {
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 L1 K! ]- c7 U6 s- V( u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& n; \; |/ M, T3 ?: |" Q' Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ Z+ D  E& U+ F- e- u
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 e' K; r" L5 t& d1 Z  w

3 z$ \- j3 U" U7 F7 g. K; u  z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 G. ?" g3 Q( g) k8 o+ p
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  x) x  s: ~- P# v! |% `  L美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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: ?- T: I' ~) p4 }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 Y) G4 C8 R& V& W
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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; [0 D! ]+ w5 i" w% G信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, [4 u* |) |4 a' X5 n0 ?
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!( r3 r7 l9 A6 X7 Q3 r7 z4 ~

& Y5 A2 n  p# ^1 c7 ^# o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!1 U; ~3 P+ l. @2 l3 _7 h  ^% g' h

/ {4 n( l3 R9 K1 j/ H/ v同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 A; {9 o0 d; z* @, m* F5 a.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 B3 l' ]/ ]+ ~$ w; S( b' r  T

. `8 J7 ]+ m/ |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century...." [- A5 {% W( T9 L$ Y. L5 N
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.