Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:% X: K% R. w$ r) U8 a. t% F2 ~
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ Q. q$ Z) l. v& T又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
" d8 }$ ?  W/ }7 F道理我知道好多只係做吳到- V3 b& _" t: C. G1 h1 q$ X0 p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' H: F' }9 g. J- Q' |( j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  I; I9 v3 C0 H( O9 I真的!!這不是反話
0 u7 h' J  l. I% {  i1 ^5 [因為我是情感比理性強的人
( M3 G" X1 b0 H所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  S, u  ]$ \: w+ x
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 s$ Y$ z8 o. J! u  Q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 a, H9 F) b( `; G2 d8 C: s
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 I" t" m/ v; \+ H建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?# p; k1 U% r8 Q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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8 {5 A9 d! j4 z. s/ ~7 _I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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3 P$ d, y+ }0 t6 J) e2 ^* OLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* o% t8 T' N4 K9 A
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:0 ?( o  j: ~0 t1 e( _' }5 K/ {9 q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
) N, I9 z( ]% @  l# RYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" o3 s, ^0 ]. tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......  R: U( z4 R+ ?2 R1 l" g

, g" X5 [# ?) h$ h9 d8 Git's starting because we have sins....../ ~, T/ ~: H+ B3 p- w+ Y) q# @8 c
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 5 C& z  e2 H& o/ P/ X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) y) d& J, ]/ T) |; C
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 _6 Q( v% J- K- u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
( t& ~7 N1 Y& {6 V. v* ]; _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ ^9 ?3 u' ?( F: S' M" [: O/ e. j5 B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 d1 r3 Y8 y1 u. k改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; c* f8 |& g" K$ m美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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7 B! F# w) `/ ~# i9 P! V( T; b- H吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# `  T) t7 k8 w: s信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干  y! X, @* H- E1 A2 }
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以下是其他人的見解,, Y6 g9 e2 \: G: s
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 }' B/ P* K+ \+ I, J5 K0 @1 m
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" e- P; M. u" W. L( Q  o
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 E/ X9 P5 m- R- c& p. ]* q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ ~  P) {3 H* ]6 \0 e

  }* @/ A% d' I+ T# z我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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5 c" _7 q' @! {' ?同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! i$ [0 P7 p4 y: [( l* @.............信耶穌... ...

/ ]  z2 g) a! Q7 E# S3 ?Regarding the resurrection....! a+ F( {( m: s# n& I  D9 n% F: b
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: N8 \- d# b- y% O. W

( ?$ L2 _( W. ]; ?* ~- wYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.