Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
( Y. A  D# d. J: ~% ?: z我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 J; h  ^: w8 b3 K又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) e$ |1 t* z0 u) P: r$ C, y) R道理我知道好多只係做吳到) i9 g5 d" w3 P7 [
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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" ]0 D, y. c! L3 ^8 N/ ~Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ Y0 K# M% M5 o5 P  e+ i. h" q' Q0 Nmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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6 ~; ^; j/ y6 H3 x8 ]% Fstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 {+ u/ K! I6 K3 |9 v
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% }$ h; ?6 G4 a0 x: o" P
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 K3 G: l7 ]. m8 G因為我是情感比理性強的人
: M0 P9 Y) P3 X3 d5 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" S! L$ ^" h$ J, h5 @6 N  q以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,  a5 Q& W2 {0 ?# Z) h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?' W) p, |0 c$ Y3 F4 d

$ y) G8 B( ^, ]7 Z) j3 y  h9 NJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* z; J  I, m$ N* y

. o3 Y/ ^7 m8 G8 M% t- s; fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 H: M# ?8 F- ~" s# t8 |' o# r* `
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 ]- @2 y( D3 G1 l2 J3 `建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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: `- P3 t9 Q4 k2 t; ?0 [* b9 F"不信也沒損失"3 S  q! p  e( f
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 y9 U4 y" p" Z  J! S
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......) w6 Q0 }; L, O9 e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 6 S6 n; v& q. @2 }, z
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
" I5 [9 G0 U$ ?  v只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ ?- w) @2 C3 x用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
+ P6 q5 j9 \0 x( }1 l% A' n7 d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* f  E; G) G/ v  H! I, J7 z) w如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: S: d+ k. x/ @  c# A1 ~而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 z: d" z3 u( T. F, H
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,( j: u& z0 d) q  P: P6 Q2 }
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," l8 h& |' \& q8 D7 x/ r: C5 {
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
4 s, v; C4 V; V+ u- y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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1 m1 P0 C0 N) C, _+ c5 e以下是其他人的見解,* c3 p8 n! J0 G9 ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤  e0 _/ p4 S+ K0 I+ M, S
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ L+ {7 C, [$ \* C
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' c$ T5 D8 n; h. e8 p0 r
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ l; ]# j0 ~* L; ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 W# K6 n7 h6 ]$ t7 U8 G, C& M

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 ?! \5 c% c9 y* P
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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' {# s  N' q# R$ |% dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....3 b" r6 K- ]: `) Q6 \+ j* ~  ], n/ c
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.