singgeihot

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-6-4 12:05 PM:8 }4 l' C( n6 b' R2 v3 P' c' y
em.. i think it's good to back to topics
! g2 O& I+ e% N+ W4 Sotherwise another non-stopping............... aiiiii....

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brightlee 兄, like I said, this is debating, not non-stop arguing.
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* _% F7 H: M8 g' T+ S) K* HIf God means love, I would like to see some substantial love before I can believe in him. Creating something like Tsunami that killed thousands of innocent people for no reason just won't help the cause.

singgeihot

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:08 PM:( _. U7 J& r# R+ g* Q

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haha, but the "purpose" may not be punishment...:cool:

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) H6 V$ T/ i) P$ W/ C! \1 w% e7 ]His purpose is for his own fun and entertainment??

singgeihot

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-6-4 11:49 AM:6 E, Q* B, ]' g' d
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yes ga, this is really what he ...

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Are you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??

rest365days

His purpose is for his own fun and entertainment??

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Are you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??

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that's the point... you can think of 1,000,000 reasons (including punishment,  for fun and entertainment).. but so far no evidence... so i will keep saying that:  "i don't know", and infact i only care about the people, what we could do the help them..
# }. }7 g! G* \. w/ p2 x1 Kstop here.

singgeihot

Originally posted by rest365days at 2005-6-4 12:19 PM:8 ?7 R% s. B3 U  O) V0 w3 w
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( S- K  K3 @& R' Pthat's the point... you can t...

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For sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.

singgeihot

Sarah McLachlan 唱出了我的心声3 Z) ~) p2 I" W  p
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歌詞如下4 K8 a& U4 e) E2 t0 [
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Dear god,
* e* h4 `8 J+ v  C) q! ]Hope you got the letter,
% j% W* ~  j$ O5 B3 hAnd I pray you can make it better down here." P, A3 u! M! V. W
I don’t mean a big reduction in the price of beer,- J8 m' W0 }8 o" O
But all the people that you made in your image,% b0 ?2 _9 A8 v" {  ?3 o
See them starving on their feet,
( F7 B8 N. W! k’cause they don’t get enough to eat
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From god,7 B+ Q; x9 j2 H+ E. {
I can’t believe in you.% A# \  y; `; @( R5 x2 _9 [" O/ D
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Dear god,6 }0 T( q8 `& E5 {8 y& I
Sorry to disturb you,
9 }: g# ^8 D* @6 q2 F/ FBut I feel that I should be heard loud and clear.6 y) @) _$ q0 ?! k: v
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears,6 U7 B' Y( k- S
And all the people that you made in your image,
3 @$ y) ^1 O& k- q0 U, t7 TSee them fighting in the street,4 P2 c4 u. z0 ~# H- A
’cause they can’t make opinions meet,) w  j2 I/ R/ z/ O2 K* s$ ]
About god,
& O, {& j) A% D; x1 {5 c6 wI can’t believe in you.
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( T- v' a! \* v/ nDid you make disease, and the diamond blue? 7 F( }; x3 H1 c& V  N% _, x7 I
Did you make mankind after we made you? ) c0 a, V9 A. t% V- X) m& g4 m
And the devil too!
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Dear god,8 K, A- z* g: V( k' X! I2 Z  n, q
Don’t know if you noticed,
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Us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,9 C: A% r8 ?2 x) A9 Y' n
And all the people that you made in your image,' b- Z* m: s2 ~5 Z8 q1 H
Still believing that junk is true.
; b. V/ m7 f) K! {, |6 K; IWell I know it ain’t and so do you,
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I can’t believe in,
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I won’t believe in heaven and hell.5 M+ A0 e- t6 q
No saints, no sinners,
+ |" r/ Z4 [4 y3 xNo devil as well.
* q- S6 V2 L; `( e( x) sNo pearly gates, no thorny crown.
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The wars you bring, the babes you drown.& q1 g/ c% G9 c3 p
Those lost at sea and never found,
: L8 \. ~& X- {8 D: _: @And it’s the same the whole world ’round.& d! B/ d( K2 _) ^  L6 H2 g7 B
The hurt I see helps to compound,
5 n* h8 u. U1 h6 r# K( oThat the father, son and holy ghost,/ s. [. ~0 V" g+ j
Is just somebody’s unholy hoax,# Q" F+ M4 D: h5 h# m  w: t( o
And if you’re up there you’ll perceive,
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: ~8 @' A, `- B& S6 lDear god.

vivienna

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:13 PM:* F+ _# x: ]% ]) i, ]

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Are you sure that there was no innocent christian that had died from the Tsunami??

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sing sing, from a christian's point of view, dying is a way to reach heaven faster, they like dying more than anyone does. no kidding.

rest365days

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:21 PM:. Q; h5 l, Y5 ]# S% o! g! J
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5 o8 ?1 d% ?- I4 ?, U9 P7 l/ ~For sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.

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如果佢唔存在, 你問緊mud? 問點解一個唔存在嘅神, 無按你嘅心意去行事?
/ y+ C0 S; {& j) p% _如果佢存在, 點解你唔直接問佢呢?  

vivienna

Originally posted by singgeihot at 2005-6-4 12:21 PM:8 ~+ k, M) Q0 c9 v7 Z1 d

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- ^( e2 X9 f' s. ~For sure we'll never know his purpose. But this is something that he had done, or could have prevented if he does exist.

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God arranged the Tsunami on purpose, so he had no intention of preventing it. The occurence of disasters serve the purpose of prophecy, they are there to tell us (everyone) that we have been doing too many bad things lately, and if we keep on doing it, God will bring this world to an end. <---- no scientific theory, just what the priest says

rest365days

Originally posted by vivienna at 2005-6-4 12:41 PM:1 O, e! y. a, Q# t& B9 K2 C
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sing sing, from a christian's point of view, dying is a way to reach heaven faster, they like dying more than anyone does. no kidding.

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