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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:0z!N*M9B Z w
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by 諸葛亮. He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:8L*`)goou"`L]*T"d
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why?
其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote]
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8A
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維A/Ieh h4h R
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him. 姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of 諸葛亮.j-@,TLu(h6G*_
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]2M,h oI2\_y+zX
Agree. Both of them were extremely loyalty. However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation. He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
yes, that's the point.:)
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:.R(@O Q~8}"mAQ
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]5koc2X'p)?-U WB
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........5r-qS;?S H'Gk
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此?
[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
佢勁係勁在治國能力............!C i2d5X:YVa"L
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...O5@J(Fl(boy9k
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真
[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...:Y L(_f3b(M
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........&M4Ax
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三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁......... T8]A4g dYb
佢勁係勁在治國能力............8K8C k4f~;KQ
係咪如此? [/quote]
歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:H3ar_ Uf
呢個網係講有關三國正史~{*?1si$L9M9e*N
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~!p"P"`7W(Bey
[url]http://k-fung.net/han/real.htm[/url] [/quote]
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你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
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相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂5d+bu#u|)Q ~F p
聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的Ls-us${:q6q;g
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