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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:w.c@ ]T%^ O

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.R3i_-bWN/n_F8I }nH
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多,很難比較:o [/quote]
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軍事才能:諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打:姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年,雖然孔明也有27年(207-234),但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多,五虎已屈機 [/quote]TQ] j F"?k
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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y_Z.sk"y+xc 陸遜也偉大,但不得善終...... [/quote]
.ZTZ4z6}0m6E Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:q#Iml2eT
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
O^.fnN+Y bf _4D 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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6BC IrQ {5G,X6f 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
.S!? B$Ivh 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
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唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
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nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~J+L:|&V3h3hM0o:Z$D
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM: W_(C mP!z
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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!j7XFJ/x(h6s0v^ 係咪如此? [/quote]
$U0sA4j~7U2G 歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
o/bLy4J'\'S0Qd~SM 呢個網係講有關三國正史~"Kx@7bG9xB
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
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\BE$vg"Fs/iQ0dw 相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度/uQ0\E3A
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陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
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&B M)}E,s#F-s6} 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的+u D4F(^/l+z ix0q

4]4r4[@{HeQ&^Q 我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P

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