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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:3`|$]z4nK#@bn3mv
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.i)D$jvg F hl
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote]
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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Z:HM)QNn 打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:dM;Exi-RniV
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z#k#B:kW8Bq9~ 他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]
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#}8Yy7mq m Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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2a/Km2Lht 他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
(U%t(M N.l7Hj yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:U0w4Xcb
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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T@Vo'Bn9I6l$J/B but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
8H/P;Ky$c8w} why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........c&aM7~h`Qv6L
佢勁係勁在治國能力............yk#l6{_,j

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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
!^oQu!Z%Ks 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........y*d,^lP,QB5a
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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3nSP$j1_A'Qtz 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...G-`w%VDo$r
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:F&uUGo6|d

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7y!S'Si3fa 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...!TNn FA6n*J
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]"Suu:\1|4O2_hu
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唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
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KZ:swB!I-p 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~vJhw
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不過我諗好多人都有睇過~'iR;m2v
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:eK`P2?$@5P^rc
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
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.Kr9m)@t1d"]$g/R`z 係咪如此? [/quote]
%d+l-l5At9d9I 歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
2`P,kt)w2h 呢個網係講有關三國正史~
,tL9iH2B i:c 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~knX1`AG&}G
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

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#y6YJFkRn 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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xT9tc1p0Q4E:Y 相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度6gG#Ud4`
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
eC9{(~]@5p!K 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......!Z
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司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
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諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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cg*Lhv 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P

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