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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:9G)R%t ^N \(ma#pg

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.s`,pA#k

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:\M)T+W*RM
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打:姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:V2Q(xrwZS'Y

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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!Nd)H^:\~ 他支撐了蜀國三十年,雖然孔明也有27年(207-234),但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多,五虎已屈機 [/quote]!X2i[jR'mga
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大,但不得善終...... [/quote]*AA8maQ;A
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]R?3x!@%{-m)eH2mA
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
o@0cpu"AY 佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此?

benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
O8cb#pn.o/IP^y 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........7C1IWkG!HU3R
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
!U6d0Lv.f&_\ 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:)s]w5{Yi

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M0[Enw6b#@w 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
(A$| OG!dL'@ noO 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
a EIPK L&U)sBZy 我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,!_/H \n!G v'l`mU
唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........)}9x5Y.g G+O E|T
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三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
N6| ~#p o;^ 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~b[&y+@e~
[url]http://k-fung.net/han/real.htm[/url]

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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:D+EB,Z%u!rU&p{n6Nm
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
'P1IMX0]c)o(j!T 佢勁係勁在治國能力............ x)G(F] [(Naa

1@b+U4POS7fnw 係咪如此? [/quote]
B+t;za"i kP 歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
4bF}3J)H ]'B:~} 沒有佔下風:)

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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:k`a@]
呢個網係講有關三國正史~6c5Wd"Wi7H;X
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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正史中張松只有110cm?:o
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?vaRH-c2uB
阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?
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$[LU&n8F/V 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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+D0J5C9v.y/]P1J^Fr 相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度,[%]VZfKr$|)@B,o x
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
k-OsM1k{[/b$ov? 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......~"u|s(f[6{
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......,pBVi*w8ST#WL
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......Ub%T"h3`X
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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c;D#@ ynM5Xf1O 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的)C5H&UEIQ6N
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P

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