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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]H0H'R2hT7_3J
But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by 諸葛亮. He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較:o [/quote]
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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him. 姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of 諸葛亮.L/| Q
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]yfh#_!LO*ya}
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Agree. Both of them were extremely loyalty. However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation. He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:N/`(x JkHw
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
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yes, that's the point.:)
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20: ZL9c'lDV.t(D'ML
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]0[:N"u,d;w
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Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........&a Qd"Nd2jy3[p
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫.../D HsJ;|W}
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]3i~-r,qr2@/?Qi
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唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........
三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........
呢個網係講有關三國正史~
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~j4q4P{D\
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:s%o
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聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........xD/mk/eO*GM `C
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呢個網係講有關三國正史~7}a r kI*MM+z+H
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?.L"V x-V$d/D kI?
諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度
有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......1b$f9H6V4Hh QuP
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的P-uS]
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P