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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:5n c-]"D Op

3V[HAjV[+Eip but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.dfn!N'kIO

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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打:姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51: hj6v;s)@?c'b*XWJT
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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]|IN:SVxh'ly%x4|
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年,雖然孔明也有27年(207-234),但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多,五虎已屈機 [/quote];v.i2{SGA i6S}J
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大,但不得善終...... [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:8D[0| PHOV9ca
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]P)b&a ~Z/`F2cC
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........N"Yb;f+G)H
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:%Vqt*ezm+Z
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁........."nCF`W(?
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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f:NP [C9U ozU 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
K4v(\N["Z/@m(W,BY%l 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:F+lYDd%_5N6qZ#q\

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M ]j};fWub7P 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]8m7{3iV-W)Ozb;T
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唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........3@,mUZS9R

:Ubzqd 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
8y0b"B,BlG.t-@ 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
:csYmj,`'N 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........F+z*F{z3wL
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係咪如此? [/quote];B9{ t1Igz*k,|
歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
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發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
4~Bq]~G(bs0l G 呢個網係講有關三國正史~
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

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}'q8g9@ ~sPQbu?? 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?(J,X%wt'u zM b&k\ C2D
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
&?:e,Rw9Pk\-f 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
"WE8[-\N1TX~ 司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......
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諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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6q.JBuR!t&I+` 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的#ui)eYW%Ns*^5x b
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