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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:+J!d*r.V4E#CIS
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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\^~hJ4]VT But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:Y`CG5VW/@W5z

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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]
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U]r(L8M#P?6_'ix Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:8]T9D xy+k2Q
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2hS5U)uy+C9Q 他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]7~~IpU#I}|s
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:(Huez&R

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9DTp+NY `-S but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote],CHhX(t Wm`
why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
]x+M9]%ur(X0qJ[H 佢勁係勁在治國能力............sbq#j$UU#e8V
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係咪如此?

benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:qOb~bO GK
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聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........#M_RQF#Z
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...Gn%QZ&u%B&pr
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:#W2}(U~,ec/Y+s

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5TI#Y.\wYo8E 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...bBS
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好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]
g'ee Q-b!K 我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,
N"s0k/tvMz;`J(q 唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........zRjJ(y

}9_m$__5ST&t g\/XA 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~!LVTq;j(c!{q
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:V0k:O2L\!X;l'L sU
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
(A IP0{dCofH 佢勁係勁在治國能力............*DTF:t8m)@w2W$qX5c

5xo,F$idno 係咪如此? [/quote]'GONSNn:yk%i
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歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也)O\x%L;n Wh3G
沒有佔下風:)

奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
"ZJLv0MZ4i!p 呢個網係講有關三國正史~`2C(o.C3l[)V6P
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~C5__X7U/kh
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
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諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?+E-Oj\m[)dZ
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相反司馬懿係對負孟達充份表現出打仗最重要的機動性, 諸葛亮即使有再多人力物力也不能做到, 以他謹慎的做人態度~;tG/P$|3TL0U
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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
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&mP\&E3P"bba 司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......MB:e[ X8`
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
w#L|.imE"iTlV 諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的H O/S6|m/w/SbL$F

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