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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42::q:X9I
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:;A!z-l't2bzN

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;H\8EMm{^ 智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->~FKJ1Gs

a D5e2?9Wv2f/xS 軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維2`l gSS

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C \gW"h 打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.4kJc`~B

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:0f,j/h9hv(h#Rk3n:lL
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y1M |p2v5h&D-C c e 他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]8n\QMs;@[%B!Bs
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:
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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]x1IwAg4A ^!h*q~
Many '3 countries' peoples 不得善終 too:D

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:e+sj1_,Cw

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
~w#Z]$z_ why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........+f~KP Ck
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
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^_l'W#P 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
YW&M^i e`Q-s 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:z+t;}J Z4lfM8}\
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3R1Q;S6P)}bS 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]R*d7H)zj1m2q!~
我嗰次係三聯見到本三國志,入面係逐個人物講,%e7?2jT.@/[-d
唔係好似三國演義好似故事咁講出黎........Xu;`[d-q
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三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~
1y&PK"^!vMn6a 不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM: PN Yu${${'P
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........S_V.X.H!O\3p
佢勁係勁在治國能力............,N+a2r'X'n
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係咪如此? [/quote]
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沒有佔下風:)

奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:#m/iH'W4?;XZ!B
呢個網係講有關三國正史~$S?S"~:OG.d&h.E
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?
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L"ZX,lzP1b"XL&[X 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?VE1Q'j.A

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有人話諸葛亮最勁, 因為佢死在, 蜀就完全唔掂
(z YNwTH7tb!_ 聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......
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V 司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋....../R*vt)BVM\
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
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n7[$`hv+M"O*y 諸葛亮!!!你做的事顯出你特別, 更加, 無敵偉大啊!!!
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+{KtxX#oPXi'm)D 講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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我講完依堆野之後, 想講嘅係諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物係 ------- [b]李世民[/b]:P

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