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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:42 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:44 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9 [/quote]
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H%yEJ0sk%SBR But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.+O*l9p\W

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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:45 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:46 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:50 PM

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:51 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 09:55 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:51:g%yt}n\ z

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他比孔明更偉大 [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 09:58 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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1R:vV@,J/dj^&ch\+T*P 他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機 [/quote]0|RW~)s Y#m
yes, that's the point.:)

151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:20 PM

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機密 發表於 2006-1-30 10:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006-1-30 22:20:k;RvE/NYyb

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bs {8GIxp-@ 陸遜也偉大，但不得善終...... [/quote]
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151515 發表於 2006-1-30 10:32 PM

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CHECSS 發表於 2006-1-31 12:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]151515[/i] at 2006/1/30 21:32:[&y'oM%b6NN i)O

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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司... [/quote]
9q0e%oXm(rj why you think司馬懿 and 陸遜 are good at fight than 諸葛亮 ?????????????

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:07 AM

聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
-`eDo'?LVNq 佢勁係勁在治國能力............

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benny0105 發表於 2006-1-31 01:46 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:
#YW3R{:\&S^ 聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........
;h6t;dvh,ay8w 佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...
&p'hS+z+A&I 好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 01:58 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]benny0105[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:46 AM:
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Y3y\*~J"Z5\Q&W/\#W 其實又有幾多人真係睇過三國志丫...#Qdlg|N\C
好多人只不過睇完神化既「三國演義」就信以為真 [/quote]{ YDK+Hen
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H"Y`]eV1?&?*v,_ b 三國志真係咁ga? 咁咪無咁好睇........

nashisthebestpg 發表於 2006-1-31 02:01 AM

呢個網係講有關三國正史~%k!KrC uhM td
不過我諗好多人都有睇過~}o1ysz.p&?&Qi4_1A
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奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:05 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 01:07 AM:,h9n1S2K1ki~a7pf
聽聞真正的history上,諸葛亮的軍事能力未如三國演義般吹得咁勁.........E Oi4C2oc"i#^
佢勁係勁在治國能力............
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Aon3M:W!f]:UC 係咪如此? [/quote]
9sl#l7[iaU;H]N 歷史中諸葛亮的軍事能力的確沒演義中那麼屈機,但也算不俗,始終對司馬懿也
Wd6sF-qK 沒有佔下風:)

奇 發表於 2006-1-31 02:09 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]nashisthebestpg[/i] at 2006-1-31 02:01 AM:
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step025 發表於 2006-1-31 07:13 AM

你睇演義定火鳳? 你又點知佢地打得?jW+F%Nu~(x.n(C:J
阿壽寫打鬥一向草草了事, 姜維鄧艾無一次唔係不相佰仲, 點分邊個勁?
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3CQt:u,v-^b(Ax 諸葛亮係上述當中絕對唔係最好嘅軍事家, 用人亦只用文人如楊儀, 馬謖等紙上談兵之輩, 可來成功?
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聽完更加覺得諸葛亮唔掂, 死前唔陪養多D有用嘅人用(有一大堆文人嘅), 有魏延如此勇猛的人又唔重用......可憐自己個仔一野就比鄧艾打爆......8e%o\Y&ocog
司馬懿兩個仔都至高無上, 個孫司馬炎仲統一埋......(f.z1n`o&r
陸遜個仔都係大都督,同羊祜更惺惺相惜......
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講番姜維鄧艾, 他倆各方面都不分上下(兩人亦往往是同僚針對的人), 但在政革方面, 鄧艾全勝, 他的團田制帶來足夠糧草以應付任何對戰, 相反姜維在政治方面差不多是沒有的
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