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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if '' T%ZIH?9a
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在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案

但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''

那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]sjtTCx],g
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size]

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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我己諗到點做
但現在要返學>< g3J@&j3{\`
今晚又要同個索女慶祝生日><(好痛苦yo hoho~)
play兄唔好咁快開工呀><)ZrA6Pt l(U
等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)1_3k|1r Dt c9I ]

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{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]I.J KG#P,xK*]

{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color] nSEx3r8V Gr\

那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.,y'J?zh eg8r

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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color] |LSzH
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] +P M*G9E n} `
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color] (C%?[\7W;I8\
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如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]hIx'|,~Y
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第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立L,HKg$buZm Z
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立;g#p*a!c5ZC(g k

所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:L6Ku/K}e0aDf0X

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T... [/quote]
對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了9B:f)H6n$N*uF Ic R!@

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM: uFLv(d PO:pLZ
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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:3c)j]\(eH$g9U

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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:({y-lgP!D@D
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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.

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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)f'g9aK%Qvj
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+) sYS&a~!nt
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,pML-~2z
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答N*GRF8O+``
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?

我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎$~K4C9[`
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎
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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的"^YV/K$F3gAt G
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43: n#l+qDjD
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote] kV3V MG2Hi t
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?+gQ)Y"|l7gs
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sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.CHbfa-{)F
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試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.2]Y_O(KI-u
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,
我鑽牛角尖了,我真蠢:cry:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:
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唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]w1`@fik#}9DVx
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咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:

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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]

情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.
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其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.#E@q:RXj \
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,1YM4dV![4l VHh
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而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:DYV6um'O

原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D6Z'HS2San'p:?1E\
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:

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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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我絕無講大話

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二個對二個

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所以其實有三種方法kb1X/l&R
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:l8ocI(t ?C
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我三十秒已... [/quote]j|'as8j*o1p+a+I

吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』l%t/KeBL9?S
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比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:Cvo3t6_e
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我三十秒已... [/quote] Ct9GC8p*bl

勁！！:good:
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請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:

選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:

還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:;QS-Z2zT"]Qy7D.\]
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請問五個對五個... [/quote]!~&o G3n;cw
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