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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if '' p-N1l/z$ia } L(^N1G
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在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案'GZ-sB GU

但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''

那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]&CT4{"B Kxk:dW;[B

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size]

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)

{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T- = A3(-) 9Eb DVcb,n
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)kP t-d7[~

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , [color=Green]( B1,2<>A3,4  T+ , 得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]

{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]:OV%l4R%\DGd

{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color]
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.

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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color]
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color] }J2Isa} MR,l'r
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如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]1zA a!xX"G
第一步 ( 得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <>[color=Maroon] A4  T+[/color]  ) ....成立
第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立0e4~"Fl:H2k1D
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立p?h!X g%s.qX+U
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T... [/quote]2p3[]3I V:Q9d
對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了EZGj&S:C
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:

對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了
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:haha:......:cry:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:

:haha:......:cry: [/quote]8Z\!]Y$q)D
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.Jr4kFp
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:

仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.+|ty4P n/AL

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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)OB/Ua-\6RO

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+)
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},F  =A4(-)

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,pD4e}9f+[3}xY1]
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]Ac@ x`'][0J-`:t

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]#~q;lB(a8S
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答 D,A|sQ} D {5s%V
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?s o-vi[W.Q^6iV

我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎P%hu4k)r0[
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎

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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的dW$iGOI
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:)?P9Jq5JR
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?
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sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,o'XG kA
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.

試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.

不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,J2hk/_8m.|p
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:
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唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]VF7JkP-o{ma9x
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咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:
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情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.

其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,Ie}2{r.JtY!d
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,.v8x!y }_:zy

而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D.pEvu*f({-JlfW
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原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:D
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:l9S vcI*c

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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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(我用實物代替快啲)

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所以其實有三種方法
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
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我三十秒已... [/quote]mYvKt3pR

吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』sx\B]g6A]v

比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:rU?E2M1aMw
對不起b"YRG5D!F,W6ZO3T
我絕無講大話

我三十秒已... [/quote]$}%n g G6FyMv{

勁！！:good:

請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:
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選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:zQ*x"E6V/s/e
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還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:a^0_dA3z8Q0R7n@d
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:E|3e&q*?-s'i,Xa&o
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勁！！:good:

請問五個對五個... [/quote]
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大家用n分鐘先諗到ge野,佢30秒諗到
我諗佢個腦geCPU一定好高級,說不定到天才級數都未定= =
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好啦~今日到我答啦(唔知截左止未呢?:D)
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講起黎就有趣,我諗到,全憑今朝的夢(不然可能成世都諗唔到 haha)4E.B+PI d
在夢中,在我喜歡的女仔生日哥時,我送左兩樣野俾佢<===這是真的^^[color=White](佢琴日生日ga!!)[/color]`$t3C3c/EO
(我送咩俾佢?唔話你知,等你心思思 XD)pn8fM3A:W9v(D
到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><,]}ta.W
(不知大家看懂了有甚麼提示沒有? XD)
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之後在今朝起身,就靈機一觸諗到點做
希望我無做錯啦 haha^^ jv9\8]N+x

這次實在太失敗,想了兩天才完工,唉~傷心...
我將我個答案delete,因為我唔想俾人睇到
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解zip遇到問題,記得返黎睇呢個post:P:P
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