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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''
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但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設'' &C6ald+L

那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size]

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , [color=Green]( B1,2<>A3,4  T+ , 得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]

{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]-x ut.a"Pi6F`
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{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color] A'b){)nS^
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那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.

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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color] Dd8v%^9h
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] cc`(F7p6O(n*m
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color]

如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]4cq.K)xN&l
第一步 ( 得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <>[color=Maroon] A4  T+[/color]  ) ....成立t?'VgD
第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立~b%`z%HD0N
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:a gx6l/O(S's?j
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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了A)^&dknK#R

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM: CD]0U'W
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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:

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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:

仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番./s!t$^A:g5q

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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)
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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+) 8]r@$n4m.a:v
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},F  =A4(-)F il2oA#z-}/m"I6ar
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,2quhh2^i{e
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]_n(r _;x!B(s

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:W3z ]7G0L3fk;Q/gT
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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[b]評語 : 此答案意念創新,方法大膽,乃大智若愚之作[/b]
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?"xM-\| SZ ^4w

我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種:
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎5lhW8}?VY4P
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎
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(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎
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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的.S"F1lX7ON
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定:o'wAD3Y[0d/R#S
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?_$D7Gr5i}+H'xe

sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.C[!\[ {-BS[)S3l

試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.|G_uh}
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不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,e s-SO*m ~
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:Q jq!VznE

唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]
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咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:

咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]
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情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.3ij/VT$kG'g]
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其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,tA^L7j aW/BI:w f
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,1w+k*H K w#h
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.q*C8~P.F
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,
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而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D

原來世界有幾大,在乎心胸有多寛敞:Da o ]/x H*_pH+I(p

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:Nx(UO"g|F

咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]r2H!Ft"CWc7eU

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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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所以其實有三種方法
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
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我三十秒已... [/quote]
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吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』

比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:Q[&Y`8E;x
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我三十秒已... [/quote]

勁！！:good:^a\@m.L[

請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:yHC&_uXf6qg/j
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選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:

還有一次機會......剩下六個未知:confused::confused::confused:
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:1L[#q} uR1Kv#ao

勁！！:good:

請問五個對五個... [/quote]
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講起黎就有趣,我諗到,全憑今朝的夢(不然可能成世都諗唔到 haha)
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(我送咩俾佢?唔話你知,等你心思思 XD)
到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><^4|Oc!hTV
(不知大家看懂了有甚麼提示沒有? XD)

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希望我無做錯啦 haha^^'U;l/i^3Wv3_'c{+C

這次實在太失敗,想了兩天才完工,唉~傷心...
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我將答案save成word檔,存成附件,咁你就可以慢慢睇DScLD
解zip遇到問題,記得返黎睇呢個post:P:P
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