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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''

在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案
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但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設'' HF+RG \%p

那就會一直''假設''下去 , 但所得出來的答案 , 既不能證明''假設'' 之本身是否正確 ,它亦只是一個''假設'' 的答案 , if ''假設'' 有誤 , 那麼''錯誤''又豈能得出''正確''[/color][/size]
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

[size=6][color=Red]別偷看,最難是如何開始,一看就冇意義.雖然錯了:D[/color][/size] G#U [QH2a7R

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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我己諗到點做RyO^.i$ggL
但現在要返學><
今晚又要同個索女慶祝生日><(好痛苦yo hoho~)
play兄唔好咁快開工呀>< N:cB"E#Q2Y`+G\;V
等埋我返黎先呀~~

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:{yV hQ Mz$Uj

如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)_Ln6Dzo%g,o

{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T- = A3(-) )n$a ViA O1HL"Z Yut
[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [/color]5S}C@cW6F
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},F  =B2(+)

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{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , [color=Green]( B1,2<>A3,4  T+ , 得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color]

{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , [color=Blue]代表A3,4,B1,2  有問題 ( B1,2<>A3,4  T+  , 得知  B1<>A4 T+  )[/color]
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{A3,B1<>A4,N(C)},T+  = A4(-) [color=Maroon]抽起了B2 , A3换了位  ,但天坪沒改变 , 代表B2 , A3 非問題波子 (得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) [/color]

那有問題的還有B1  , A4  ...... 那現在去看看B1  , A4  的歷史.I3I"ON!ghL
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[color=Blue]首先由第二步知道 A3,4,B1,2 有問題 ( 亦得知 B1 <> A4  T+  )[/color] 9[U,D7Y?9D
[color=Green]再由第一步資料( 亦可得知 B1 <> A4  T+ )[/color] z:uS/tL&|GG&l e
最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-) [/color] g)F,Z&U _3E

如果不是[color=Red]A4(-)[/color], 而一直是[color=Blue]B1(+) [/color]
第一步 ( 得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <>[color=Maroon] A4  T+[/color]  ) ....成立
第二步( 亦可得知 [color=Maroon]B1[/color] <> [color=Maroon]A4  T+[/color] ).....成立
第三步(得知 B1 <> A4  T+ ) ......成立
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所以[color=Blue]B1(+)  [/color]也是有可能的:good::good::good:#[^k{RDV'H

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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:
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對,我更正了,幫我看看仲有冇錯,累了 d2~-X'h+\ BZ+K
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:haha:......:cry:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:

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:haha:......:cry: [/quote]3Q"S `OYW
仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.w|~T#YW

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:
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仲有錯?我好唔清醒啦!!定我清醒再睇番.d PC(q@@7IJ

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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C){:e-@\7N
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[color=Red]{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T- = A3(-) [/color]!wiu;g7?#]Mx
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+ , {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},T+  = B2(+)
{A1,2,3,4<>B1,2,3,4}T- , {A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)},T+, {A3,B2<>B1,N(C)},F  =A4(-):p\[H-O"oZ
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,b*z2d:A;Z
如今......不過playplay 幫手checkcheck,我唔想check[/color]:D:D[/size]
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:
[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真... [/quote]
#22最好hiden埋,因為雖然係錯,但原理一樣.

2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答
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假如啦,我而家面前真係有13粒波子係度,咁在我開始操作前,我知唔知有問題粒係重左定輕左呢?7rn$n@K

我想清楚而家ge情況係邊種: |&r2nY\-F#r C(B
(1)你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係重左,然後叫我搵出黎
or你俾13粒波子俾我,話俾我聽有一粒係輕左,然後叫我搵出黎

(2)你俾13粒波子我,話俾我聽,唔知佢輕左定重左,叫我搵出黎
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老實說,如果係開如操作前,我已經知佢係輕左or重左(但唔知邊粒係),我知道係一定可以做到的
如果要透過3次操作,要在13粒波子中搵出一粒未知重左定輕左ge波子,我會說是不可能的
但我見到又有人答到wor,雖然我沒有看他們的答案(所以我唔知係邊種情況,我估佢地答0岩掛...)
所以我覺得係問題出在我身上,但又不能確定
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:
PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先... [/quote]
唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還須要諗嗎?

sakura兄,如果凡事一開始就存否定態度,
而不嘗試探索一下,會自己局限了自己世界觀.
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試一試再想想才去否定還未遲.

不過原來playplay個答案係好簡單,@'pR2_3v/gk^
我鑽牛角尖了,我真蠢:cry:!O X/BEUV-v
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:qWSAH` ow-e
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唔知佢輕左定重左!!! 如果知輕重,還... [/quote]

咁係咪即係情況(2)?

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:u!go(P@'l
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咁係咪即係情況(2)? [/quote]?c9Dif~R c
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情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.
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其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
可以先諗下12粒點樣solve,h\|Z?;}*I
我好耐以前諗過12粒,當時我用我自己嘅方法solve到,
因為得唔得自己可以證實,所以一路冇睇過答案.
亦冇再深入諗個原理,所以亦局限咗自己,PQq7WH!FRpI
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而家知咗原理,就發現自己當時武斷地覺得太簡單了,是何其笨實.:D1v1zW[?c$]"~
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:
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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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我三十秒已經破了
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五個對五個

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就係 3 4 5 都可以

playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:3?]2tr9?
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我三十秒已... [/quote]|s'`? H&x.t

吾係吾信你.......不過你要做條 formula 出黎 , 而條 formula 係要在所有变數之下都『萬試萬靈』,咁個答案先叫『完滿』U[ |PF/Y
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比心機喇兄弟 :agree::agree:我會等你:good:

guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:wyWo4VCD$P
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請問五個對五個之後知道了什麼？:confused::confused::confused:
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選那二個對那二個？:confused::confused::confused:$wTTMykO1wxzu6w

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 11:33 PM:\F;Pn2|0q)E
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勁！！:good:

請問五個對五個... [/quote]2EbO.LaQ+m&jjo
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大家用n分鐘先諗到ge野,佢30秒諗到-?iRKd
我諗佢個腦geCPU一定好高級,說不定到天才級數都未定= =3I?/^d$v\

好啦~今日到我答啦(唔知截左止未呢?:D)

講起黎就有趣,我諗到,全憑今朝的夢(不然可能成世都諗唔到 haha)5RWDrK~],a
在夢中,在我喜歡的女仔生日哥時,我送左兩樣野俾佢<===這是真的^^[color=White](佢琴日生日ga!!)[/color]
(我送咩俾佢?唔話你知,等你心思思 XD)
到我生日哥時,個女仔送左一隻介戒指俾我...<===這是不可能的><V4aWL?:|
(不知大家看懂了有甚麼提示沒有? XD)

之後在今朝起身,就靈機一觸諗到點做6gGST2n]*s5Q"J
希望我無做錯啦 haha^^

這次實在太失敗,想了兩天才完工,唉~傷心...
我將我個答案delete,因為我唔想俾人睇到
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解zip遇到問題,記得返黎睇呢個post:P:P9Xb?w`
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