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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 03:34 AM

[size=5][color=Teal]在推理問題時,我們可以用 '' 如果/ if ''
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在 ''如果'' 之下有''如果'' .....一直至沒有''如果'' .....那就是真正答案
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但推理問題時,我們用 ''假設''
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 04:42 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-2 05:29 AM

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 06:56 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 04:42 AM:
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如{A1,2,B1,2<>A3,4,B3,N(C)}T+,但是左邊重了,即A3,A4輕了或B1,B2重了:  所以: A3,B1<>A4,N(C)9W b&W9g;v+|

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最後如何下定論 {A3,[color=Maroon]B1[/color]<>[color=Maroon]A4[/color],N(C)},[color=Maroon]T+[/color]  = [color=Red]  A4(-)   [/color]
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:10 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 06:56:i4T5e'k'f

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:10 AM:
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-2 07:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]playbr2[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26:7Eg%x&_f%s6H!O
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-2 07:34 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-2 07:26 AM:
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 12:20 AM

[size=5][color=Green]完原來人老了真係會變蠢,30歲果陣用咗37分鐘,
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 00:20:sc8fe }sN
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2000 發表於 2007-3-3 04:01 AM

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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 02:43 PM

PLAY兄,我仲未答,因為有野問,問清楚先答
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 14:43:#rN;MF$O
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-3 03:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]guswan[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:12 PM:;H"G'MEb.s
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 03:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 15:27:
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u2bb[` 情況(2),唔佢知輕左定重左.
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其實playplay係個問題度已經有好大提示,13粒同12粒大同小異,
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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 06:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sakura310[/i] at 2007-3-3 03:27 PM:
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大優勢 發表於 2007-3-3 06:22 PM

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playbr2 發表於 2007-3-3 07:06 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 06:22 PM:
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guswan 發表於 2007-3-3 11:33 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]大優勢[/i] at 2007-3-3 18:22:N%W]`0oMWn
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sakura310 發表於 2007-3-4 08:16 AM

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