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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
$NZ ql0p0}+H 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙5vc5M8o$S
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只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是"x:C/W9Nm \
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:Uss(R%@ |#PCE
你覺得邊樣重要?NQX5cY
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,:aKa P-k,}-Y)j[k
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
vXK4j-Nf6Gg-R 有無成功/失敗既例子?
@)]:b2EB 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?0V'H)d4m"{'tn-C

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1{3i,J*~"x^ 希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:DT{!@KG W F
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
/J}Qz*JN{8z 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~L6tB$z#@ w
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但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~my'U7l!|8z!d
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~wV+DK,n9|A
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
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個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
`MZ R j |7Hm 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
W;t|X Ie){ ? \ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層%AG)bO"Ug8fZ;O
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
!s I:Rx"g\ tG0|%] 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
I1q)p)f,|+Jr 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???l#G7w {&S'}9n
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:q.d.lx)Op
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???F/`J^I/~ o+K
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得qc@iB1Z8U_M
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
V&hpF"z 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
Ph$d%F mFu/I 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
+PU!p A2Ac(G+Yp$F;}@ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高SMk-g+l@U9|{
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的bA^G"\T.Q
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:$HQ W cbV4h5ec%V
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:| Zb"C Uu
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
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wo.xY+Q)pfv!D 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 n:nV"E'{/T1RQ
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
7|*E6} l8qVB 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 r9TLA~/Sk
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]5e%o"{)f}m:D7M~*~

.ndF,Pjmd 用運動是很好的例子:D
$ec$YT c u$dE 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
i8Q&]:rM6N0ck 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
"L,{ RP3z jc5] E 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..*h!JE1Yu
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
hD,~Ok1t*K*@jR#B[ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...;^&ey5B*U

b v;v3}m Y?*G 這題目矛盾的地方是:;g|(EVR7i9d
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力"fAW [7vH5]-r NE
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:*D r#|?,DPL
這題目矛盾的地方是:
a@-K0u!B 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
[h*g LZ'ZoO8\| 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層RL4ui ?&tb P y
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:x!Ho0`oJg

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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]V^[$s DC*A

?GX"@!W [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
'yp%|6T c;c"[ a but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.C"@4lD7U6o6T
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
/I%jkG0zj'l0H5W em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要B+Tvw&s D7vi+~
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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on+{"b?`\+d 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:$v`3L^+r1y
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+@,oC0E/X 世界各地個 d 天才兒童#\0|i^j_C4D
... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
HTZ2C f1F everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
$D5il$~(@/^~5t but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No1W#qju R
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
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People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力"R%E6fiQ0t}
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
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努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:3Wt_'@B9uHF }ub
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No_&~)BM^'z
只要肯 ... [/quote](M$u.T4RYH-W'[email protected]

s3k*u9^$m3xjgS I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
$h7d7X_7eH(f 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
G3yRd&X_ If[ 只要肯 ... [/quote][E Z!D#}N;R5d

-Gto,HK 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
6|w5z n[BD&n%{ 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行2h'aX#|*I&w SB
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
;\7kq-g(K|5] 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
:^t+WMZ q 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍A tq1FyU,x0h? XL w
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
Z2s4F.AL$b[.p8\U8v] 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 ;n:X0l mA]H4bz,HS
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?e]f9II~M

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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
m*qF.z3pv 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
g?R^ yX 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
u zjU&rqrzl3R 去左邊?
0u }R%Y\j Jl'B 當年聯既沙柏`.S| OTE[
係最佳年輕球員2Udb;VI(]5T
之後又點呢?
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6Z'K9@|{DOhC 小弟想講既係^S1T+G7Y8t @~6^
有天份但係冇好運/Af"r2_.l R)K#P
都係死...... ih E;[k5Jz;o/V
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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s\0tX_}5H,W?J 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時w` }$_q9vyD
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
C4q;@"iV @:b9{J 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
h'gY7AQBt[ 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
"vm].A&X 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻%P:YpMAz
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs..
C D^(h d.]r then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
@H I'@9z?i;M right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:|%FA5JH9~4C
well, Lee Sharpe?7y-FxhIg
He took drugs..
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right?! [/quote]
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7lbPFk![uKH 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
5RH!X$Y|rD"l 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
U ?-{_6Lp-S 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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-IV^~W [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
,t%de @H8C9^ 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
!_yQW|BJ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:z8O)R(Q'B3Y!j_)HVm
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