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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
|9]*m#U~ N5F(z 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙3?6w7m&S#g
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p'Vdiw#O g 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
;^x|2q*T!r i 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? ] ub*Ih pTq+rtK

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
j/Kd'];u4sspnB 你覺得邊樣重要?
nye _h G9r 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,$OMa!]3r9o5w_%u[c%P
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?^7d0z+{#yPxp
有無成功/失敗既例子?L;ew `y E.s
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何? ~ p AHe9@Hs!| ?%zW
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Kh]9E;f:|,Eu 希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:DVyAYfN dNb

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Ev#n/["T+QmK *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
y&J5s6Ks;Yc 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
5m.jYAY,V 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~'cjA$z%k/EU
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ @%k&\Jq2A]'D
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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y7_ {2S'Du6] 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
l'X"g^m 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
^Y tA7C+{J:sx 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
"QX*W%n"W%z,C o6A8u 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星,D/F g5} \1C&v|*r2v
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
+T d,[ @4[.P8o.u 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書)b5\P$\&~:A*c8_c
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
?Z{9i!bf#z&`;n 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
x7m2u Y[XOg 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
1K[WI|S&gK 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
c2JpLT 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:GfYN-`L-t#s
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???%l CaU1H.Hm#c
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]5Z.aX]!F:e!bq4G
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得+Q-KL"|h]%lL
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁FRr0_#N|
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
&e%f7J] w 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高2uP.vwM4W D
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
cH8UT`q&R 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
f9HD#n't8Q 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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3r#hV%|d%A 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
aH)a7j [VN 咁又係~~
z;d.ugG6^e-^ 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
Q;a&?tmR(n4gs 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
"{+^:Dh;J.PQp9i@ 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星0l p `!h$s
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙-O @"Z%Z4JN;j%A+@
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書}L{'k%B
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層sk? IzI
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
v1FE#M3A7L{.Y'cT 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.Y:y!e(t+Ft
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,3a[3c/tX!{L.~h)}
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..@.fy4oj

{;Mv(HI`K+l 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力3k(Jf.h0~#n4NG)[+xD@ A
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:0u1p e#u+^
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力r/t$AC*] I
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM: l(t9Y3c o,V9R
這題目矛盾的地方是:
ofu2c~~,k] C 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力th-T]?Q(x0i
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]/Y9QFV7@IA7s7w
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
NX(E4mTgH 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實;~ m$qG x5Z
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:J7BH3[{

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'oeG/ZR"B:S"~l3X| 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野'~%P-d%uK2Ej(L
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
S*r\kQ j f4T [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote])N0\!I$K(@"i4Xvfrg

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[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]$E4vH5A n}[ r
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.R8X4b1g {]9pO}
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
oN0a{9} C:G If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
9^#m-G y3L em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要(Um6Zw`JV,?

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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地;I _p^O
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
h!XPe2{ c,L/R sB 一日付出 24 小時去溫
-kb1wX,by 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
o B ]"lJ j~ 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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,bh9PH2S od2V(Y"r Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
#lL2t9GON;t j everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.p Y@'y)Q;[ Rk"J |
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
W9X"]_ ~6]7V 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No4cMQa$X_&G
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
-z1D$K9_&Q(bR People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
!B'di@#N9N3T9O People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力%p INtaaiCx
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life:a,k Z+vw3B%v"E
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
K9E8~ H3L&f 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No]1{)Y$VRN
只要肯 ... [/quote]y&je5i9t/|
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
k/]+}WRVO/K0|;^7P8O 只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoR8G6B ` `5K%G6TS
只要肯 ... [/quote]#m*gU[2iz
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功fXr:Y3W]
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行3fR4K/P]4RXw(Z
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
r?'n:{Di 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
SG ncXSa)RA 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍.L%U'K)^h-u
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在:Gomc ~d
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 g8^}e_k
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?&T1c+b#qm/m u;`h
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?~4v0MQ3WLE 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
"y$Um)BW~ 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現&wo? Oe0K
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
cCv'R-cGk 去左邊?
y"[e1B,MQ!F"j8h 當年聯既沙柏\G rs.[S W
係最佳年輕球員\A*GyGr
之後又點呢?
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;~aGpI.^p'G6M$r 小弟想講既係XS+nw u;G7o lx
有天份但係冇好運
C S~0}nS ` 都係死......
%W-` |8h!^my 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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"m|{r%`h3m*C 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
Ng}9s'{a8i6N` 至少
7@&yZ!^[ X$}#h 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
-Bh!_0\'^+W 而且0xS }0QF$f\1@Q `
其實好多時
%x3V9nbf 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才KsXk:t#}
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
9TEf&U(v _/_%y 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:$[H+\MG.j R ya'T
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
Q.Yv6f,m {j right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
N@e;E0Q well, Lee Sharpe?
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!C{B:]h1h,w5[ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....'T9`_:dFF
right?! [/quote] ??m_ xZ

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crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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|W^ }oX:p [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..0a3{z"ayj_ Q
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]0v`Gktv0|o|

/}$[@ \;~ n3z9vP;i [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
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解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:7boC&{6nz K)d*\di

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