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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
Ov[#X.dq0e 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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v1H:Sf lhm'l;q ] 大家覺得:&p}7vjzU.oG.b
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
W1}+{l_.Y 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
J,V{"{6pis:U 你覺得邊樣重要?BH;?-zs0XJ2T Ef
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
4aw7{e i{2q,x 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? U|nDG#i3_F7Kj'G
有無成功/失敗既例子?,X{*h(sc ? |
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?h^;r4Pr"B[qR

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希望大家俾心機答:Ddov}5j3c ?C
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q{#WV8A#Uxe| 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*D&Bm8t N S d *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~7h7o*r@S\l
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
)G5Z*n up!`F#B$LMY Ie 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ Oc7b.E5Nz
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~a,d.~@(Q/}7F h e
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~!U B{8_l \e7L
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=&ZuwH+b3FI
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦Ug['xD:]
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
/Y7h'u8hR 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙Ze%o2Y;IpR$H,T
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書6l7E0{8OgS)J
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
,H+^#vUoA6] 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
/G!D W2Y+m 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]1\w\!}hfM
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???H;M8].K|
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???7m|L8FSO:V*v'k4j
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]d.r&t$[2b"@7J;q5k

+@1}5~V x0\c7]eB:Kj 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得H ~2w@0d%w b*a!F5[xu
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
hz)[0B~ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
:jh:j3A-s 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高 uB8eOQ l*Y
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
0SF2G/}6Dw9oR~1D3g 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
/p6|lY'RV 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]j C/hW1_[(L.x
咁又係~~
LG5m$ui wo 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
%E4x YNA0w1d 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦&Y(R)zp7Th
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
"qX i$^3j+O V 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
T?1]D9B | 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書nDbl0s/z:T2@T
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層C.Os j-l#S(}
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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P8~o X yv 用運動是很好的例子:D
L4YNZ-[ux 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.-wu-y['_
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,6CH/H H^k;wR
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..4X8G+a'H;i(pBf
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力O&E/tj7JO7s
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...C$bn{p#h2IQ#`,bA|
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這題目矛盾的地方是:)U B_jP*t:z;L/R6Z8s
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力&J8hcXp
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
`F3A!Jtye s 這題目矛盾的地方是:
XW3a&^M+h.P0yqc 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
5nK1?&?\Ql 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
:a{0x*A,{ z#Xy 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層"wK3k4RQ7up1hP(O7i
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
#M tD} D|,}8C8v 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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)C'rEd\ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野|;V5@G3^vn2Pq:C
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
(j Z9|8@w%i [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]Bz:}S^B*~!`
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
k5E Q,?Md [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
;|5N#r;i4C9_e but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university..}EK3E]X6rs
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
w_#EJN7Cjh em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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2ENKh?#O#l"u3[ o 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地 T {;arv:gD?p

EP D&Y*L 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人#s/hb-BEW
一日付出 24 小時去溫
)@-T&^vyA?~ 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55::]"`1aDz D
聰明重要/W|lG0y

}U$A.y7z X`K 世界各地個 d 天才兒童;V7Zd:} U7U{y
... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only-KcR'r \+u'T0z s
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
QP|*Q.kP W.Xs4] but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
7K usm.Zw 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? Nou4p2p/fW\
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedC W4kK(f!yG+~2Q.lp
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
b/?Ry1yyk*E People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力(yj3P6oA} G"P"e
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
2o#A(e-h} 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:-Tcf vs cVk
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
9[4Q:c6fz 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:tJX#o3a2a#S9}
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
}$R~Q8o3v 只要肯 ... [/quote]3@:Cq:i G3J
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
$jv8X3T D'h(L 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行qtyI4z"| CYdP
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
WR4h'Z)s;] 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次#I3l)rMjI$H
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍sL mc/|F+[z
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在;E2N*f;I{~]kd
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理#| It;X z} Sa
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?&Qa4zt sGl
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W A$q0r&w xrH 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻a5S6FC/O7H*RX
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現 tt-C9WW |6As-xF
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
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係最佳年輕球員V,|T+^\4d R*s.V
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運I^3TK*gDW9@*d/Rh#G0}!o
都係死......6k'^$o v'C%D#r,]
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否,_%tKom6o
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
2[ @D2? R9w,AE 而且
!Uu}v$xn MO 其實好多時
3ELph^"C)d*h1@ 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
F;HS*Ms jC2u 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人0kt#qq g!E8w
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:q1N;I M iGd
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻!M&i^4u-n$f
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote] ild mZxP}
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....v tx%ke+[
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
?;_9c:|s4Yg;h well, Lee Sharpe?
`BtUtL:l \"| He took drugs..$_+z;Lf EDiKc
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....hb@2p P?G
right?! [/quote]5w!ai2L9J#X;L n G
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
*W Q2Z J;SKwF+A 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
qM M1^-j 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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,P(Wu4Fy^Tw [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街p[b9lao.~
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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-]2d X*Gte6v [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
5I`LLgP]K+P 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:A$g$lf1W(My2U

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