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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力d5LMB,}JC%?
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙|'jf A&F)]E

b5y{$H@#q 大家覺得:5R+d@!b(iu+qr}Z
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是 s7V M C9x:C(P6b
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? \D#uu7~"F
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f*{Zo%A$h^] 希望大家討論下, 分享下:V,Z5wh \5Hg_k
你覺得邊樣重要?
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覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
(eKHymw;b 有無成功/失敗既例子?
+yz(VA*cf}-N 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ e3UT(DVc"r}
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
j ` h k#kem 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ ?,Q4?eVlX5g[
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ pKAWiF
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~B&c P#Fu4OwZ

,E?1bC D0Ms 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~,j |}9e H3H
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=y+jVCZ g1J
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦y$wAfsF\
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星,t*S]0\0`)g
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙A'd8Vp'Q j0F
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
p r8}d`| 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層3PY5B;d1f;m*}1HWfj
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
vvI4l|*ej 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]%^p_)hXu
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???w e{.iK
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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j0\T$X x-EQ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
[$` w|M*iL7q 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得(^ ~MA7[+PR2F
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁9f |O1sU#[}0A3V
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
;{/Y3FPYvm 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高 ]}d$`XS;@ V:d
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高0dUt zqo5\
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的DA1_FV
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]$a~(FK%^WC'] U
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:s.d ZU Z;~#Y
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦_t F o s}O;}rk
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
-o#n!E8y.vRfF 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
+rv:U g$`9N0` m | 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
"w%P bLoqv4O6aCn 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層0l \!Pp+JO~2}Zxjw
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D K"k1y!j"e cl
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc. \Sp,J)f
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,0M gF\6X%G4Z.g Z5w
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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%G3xV7xNiV 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
9iL!_#i.xm3p4R2I 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...(w]\ lf
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
y\k4D#z4iz @!s,E 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
-Ps q;@go0C k 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:WC4}M3m](e3m
這題目矛盾的地方是:5S bEtm%Ar
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
ju,u5DP{x 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]JS9c ~(Q@2y
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
?C%s9j:x0?4h$v(? X 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實W6N"Z C;E$ro(NaK
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
+HZ;f6T/Npr6n [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]:qZ#J{KVPm
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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.L-u*Y5f9xU?,k [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], .B9[q CO,M9IE
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
+H_R'[:Q3F K3@ but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
l%{R{;yq"^"aB If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.9S;M7f"Y(m^gX4v
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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#X5R tWz0Yawq7d 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人J8c7zZW?
一日付出 24 小時去溫
9YdT!xtd7d&T0d 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
6?+h"ED!@[email protected] 聰明重要WP d nnRA)F
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mQ |R\ c5YA2t Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
3l!Ng*yHu6~ everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
:lm,\;FS(C1p but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Mre5^]@yW 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
6QX%I-p;j?2Wq? It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
1ES;iUD(s.~ People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力xybL(I\Y.y g
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
2]YC{*t@ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
y ]~ Fg jw 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
(in["[V-?Xg-]JJ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No9a(Z3AH}z8f&V/t:|
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:;xw-w)Y3tc:p?r5P
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
{s&^&y T0N$wjI"p\ 只要肯 ... [/quote]a7Z:J3Fk
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
#IPd&X i i:o 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
k"b%?:ft7V2v 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,;]X(H9gd C y Z
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次qCRok o7r8oB
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍HI n_t{X#]
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在g{'H3@^L9l
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻,mY)rr4W0S6W5t
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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當年聯既沙柏
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之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係
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都係死......
O"C RHUR.P3O 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
,G3|.U8f0OZf%V1w 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
D8p"zBTJG1V 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:?X$z}tW7B"AW
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?n8b*b$l'M+_W
He took drugs..@X?+w l,Ug)O8Mm
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
m/s S9Yr(Uh1b right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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He took drugs..TA3X d%Lpl L
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
p9h8u-t~EK? right?! [/quote] @`5u8_(d

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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]\t)p,~II
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..e;mML(Y\e0I
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]yMOj0Xx,T

w/gn*e)vn j+K M7] [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
k)MQ({} 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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7D*m$u1|?0o [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…+iwx.o cM
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:'m:K(B ~M |I1N

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