[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?
好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力 XQ}g;c'V0R又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:b@/b| a\(g2R
只要有天份就唔需要努力? 還是S`3kV/K O#e \J$\
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?`8pY1sP
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
你覺得邊樣重要?
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,!`L O)Y.DXT1`
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
有無成功/失敗既例子?&| ~s-Rgd T'Q:s A
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?b+s B'^-VIX
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希望大家俾心機答:D1y1W7m:u2X?(i8OXH
我諗會幾有分加;)
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
[[i] Last edited by 樂壇渣Fit人 on 2005-4-23 at 01:33 PM [/i]] 我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~ Mp }yg%_ NXd-{
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但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ l0?/Pq"T WV:}R
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
以上只係我o既分享:P 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦JH(S9JQ x;R!A/i4_V A
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???g4t,~+LH+t tD
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁 A$|&hWEO mB
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低7Ej.w'Zv
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高3aVa} XY
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高7[ g x]#x3sF
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的V OVS4Z e&c"J
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平 A5h)\5IY$F O-G
[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:42 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:|2U#Su4K:l*Rr
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.= [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:H8e1t ]7^Fu
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦Z^|7z,|
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙/r G Z1`N1Cx)[
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書,MOT(Ct9YOf$@
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]:}Jg-w0u`
用運動是很好的例子:D9@%EP"U"_j
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.R)`5j Wn$b
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,3B'l/BQ4cq
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力'pt `2v x Ii
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...iy!lcp b5AcCA{
這題目矛盾的地方是:NRA;P+P M$~G
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力8g9lSp2n-Q?
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理 [quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:rlcl.U
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太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]~je2]p(n
可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野cb-[Nl&h#W
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層.]|t$I$y e
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層p"s#B+j\Q#j?
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實&a0z(e$?v1k.yf0D
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[[i] Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-4-21 at 02:39 PM [/i]] [quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野_0BW n-F!V
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]!X z]1yby!W]V;c
[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], +C!]LI%O:H
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
[[i] Last edited by crap on 2005-4-21 at 04:47 PM [/i]] talent, yes, it's really important.2b2W sg}otG
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.4g e.K.HY{ ilQ
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.)n$R X$f t9aB z~
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important 聰明重要k^-k9U;j_ E
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可唔可以咁樣呢? [quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:Tbe?,]+z
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... [/quote]
Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only&GS,~%O%aU
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.zt9ls&j
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing...... 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No+Q Uu YN$E(E3P
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No }7cM$QC2j$X@v
只要肯 ... [/quote]7GOLx3Hf
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!! [quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No"T0notMj8m`
只要肯 ... [/quote]9^_#A.PFBdn~N {
當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功[d;D.@E)q
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行-nIu(~;i5]B
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你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次DEu l-H
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍$c9R:p-Nj(f
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
然後全力向前衝 做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理_$S9WAf n2]_
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻ja9n1eI4z{2H
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現 ?)St(d5l(_0r/Y
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
去左邊?
當年聯既沙柏
係最佳年輕球員
之後又點呢?
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都係死......
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否e*S6he;^Mb
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才L6rq3T5s wDl Ci3B
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人0~%?9b5iU7t
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力 [quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
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年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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right?! [quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:?c&R3YA^|J;u
well, Lee Sharpe?NO&G2Sn'PA?)F
He took drugs..tq] kO
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....w}t6slW+kN"g
right?! [/quote]NOR/?0`+Q
卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs8Mw$}o1eZ:U
你舉的例子都幾搞野 [color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..