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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
8h:HV"Fl,LMsO 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙blns.p o;K
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大家覺得:W5J%QU(s8Sr7EN
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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5WF m/Fy%{)r$Ju 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
6Pp6} }a*_ 你覺得邊樣重要?nP"[H3Q9I,W*[eV
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
? P~v j3R6Q 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?c:F/y6[YPA
有無成功/失敗既例子?!H(` ZE+N\5fa9NR
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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4k:h}*?+J 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D'U K"U;W*KL0{+F
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:Duv U1wc)G

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
v#qJ8S XO.O\ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~;Yl-B,U6~]S
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~V^ }o$~_3a:@7t'P-a8J
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
E PI;B[4@)SB 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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'^ r1eO)q 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
bPt9H/~j P 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=1f ](\H2F(Rg
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
_C J~,H1B s 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
`V IM#i p 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙,g/b0@ JG+r
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
Fw4wl)L'Z6i 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
;o'XTN9s7fF 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
!L%cQ_FLe(`8D 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]J:K*t T GS o v6s
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
1N_ xg-N)q3h.L 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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1Lcv3g$Kb2j 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
B Es}9]_'UW%o2E 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
9y~!fd ]4M4M;o 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁?gV.j#H
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
9B"d8TXc:jm#F5b 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
!D/g!|eC!Bs$i 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
$Z0[!dx4K n ? 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
qC'wuB6l w{4m7_ 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:%Wj3C:pc;xZB#S? wA

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!cV)V3lx)d(\LV+kPw 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] K)U \F$?z]
咁又係~~
"U,SyPtQ(} d%` 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
)p H](b J"I&eum\_ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
-[6j3bM`B4aq$R 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
Z&gm*icbA8R;? 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙!R5[/Td8Ok^
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
__&N6Z7h 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
0W3Jz"a.R {Rp%Y 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]A pHcng0C
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用運動是很好的例子:D
1X u%Rq&e+a*o.T \ 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.2MV`H E!?
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,+|z8cJ,PfJ9d
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..U;d!}$WPms
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力*Y G?5c@D
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...T O\V4rb
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這題目矛盾的地方是:;`8W8@hOi
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力{KeYPI[4omS i
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:8`8_'Zr`W[%] h
這題目矛盾的地方是:
+i3t3E | j%WB 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力d9]G(ci iWqP9YDA
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote].H ?dH1H
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
&MV:l dC;f)t 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
hr sO*c9]AaJ.^3l 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
I/Cc"Xq-v;o6p 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實!{)v;Z]4fK'Y

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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0TW)E$u-^P7mh W 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 El1H KK{.C#n
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
~)Op0Ck_a c5F [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], #?0o@0or.T
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
_%u#sI*P.R2\[8I but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
iH q dEoC BG If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
:zOS/v:[;Yn em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要lhOX3m)^

!ah \k8d;r ZT 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
&e,NXWrY 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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r2f'bX0r4u1Y"y!J 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
gE g8sD0vD 一日付出 24 小時去溫`;ybvM9d*^,c[9P
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
k6PfE:D6n)Tw 聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
Ne&eH5tc*c6|D)K everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
$C!oDCSViR but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No@}b+aI*g`j8e-a
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
8qc;m @+b,|8C It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
V I|-zt \-p People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力pP%Y-a!NX@6i_
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力x RZD Qn@%f`
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life Lh`PVD I#_
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:jk2J(F4@P$T
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No:gF!ANd&pG~+~6K
只要肯 ... [/quote]VZn5J"|FZ\u0z
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:h4r eZ%b&l[
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No't ~V(l_
只要肯 ... [/quote]o7BW~d t

)JEs]7W 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功FZJC3D1lv
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行k9j+j0Jr.vf
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
T1zG'Q |P:y.R0tQ4K9n 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次9_ ?2m%i5C!e}#i
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍Z4ib:t:BR
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在hrXy}]
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理'YXEl7g M

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vE5{rK:BL 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 rK%_Gn3r
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。Sqtto:O6ks+m
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?N4L%G#@;v

2d,dX s*OXz-x 書解:
Wi8\ w-a9}y 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
@-QV$y.b*O 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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N k?*k^r+O)` 去左邊?
c-Ys:AJ&r/q-g8dw 當年聯既沙柏
6BHan)R 係最佳年輕球員
O9L7F eLms 之後又點呢?CU [sx,|

Gy({-Wm;D 小弟想講既係xv lH3_wU\ a
有天份但係冇好運}d/G/Hw*C4[
都係死......
b3a5v3D/A(klAj 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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/B2z(`H0I]4h ds6e 其實好多時
X vn9Po/l)N?#? 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
?9h*DM+b*M-j` 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人py+s)B[7T
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
o0i$a5? QY"B 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻9fb1jq$WTb
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]"v%k@f;oP@ N9J
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well, Lee Sharpe?
!v1Go6q3vO He took drugs..
(H(cl#O Jlo then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....OK1H J&D!`M
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:Z.qj&T)y])U
well, Lee Sharpe?
1H{R,xS?RBT7T He took drugs.."Q3`(Qvo`4Mw
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....ny#f.pN2}&`zi.G @
right?! [/quote]
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%JNh6YQlV 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
,wRi0d%QuM 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左../lN3^o KI4@)p
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街M/^7y c.?(A
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:XzjK ?1p
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