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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力y*r dNe1P$J@
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙w@x2y^`/^

y4_E#zJ\Xh4~ 大家覺得:2r-@1eJwY+kV4u
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是#I0O7ev'CR~#T
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?1TSH5LuE}
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
`-B?3\Vw*} 你覺得邊樣重要?
3\"Yr!r8SKzh 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
Z],f`l rk*H5D2{ 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? t(z{ k8[yvhT&uD
有無成功/失敗既例子?9R5p P1t3[W
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?a3m|%mky[
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q-O;|0O&Wf 希望大家俾心機答:DppEd:\+r
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4j&ue8F5x;lw,~ *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D`.z S#xn
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
)QE.fY~ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
d GZ$Oj5K^ IK-X 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~}-p@)VNXSb{
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~,GXAw\(G-Q [!EU
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~G1S2?-Z8N}E k y

N;LA}9w:G 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
WP D1R4Z i5sc2wM 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
%u1a)kZ0ma&b0I 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
8z?]fT9d6L7g 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星L \Vi*A!cnOt,N
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
g$Zd2qB t] 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
2cCL3U3q!|5lOL%D U 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
9]\V7W3k-J b`%@ p 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
o M6XD^,R_ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]DN0?W%d"y*T k
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
4@g%S6Y aB 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???g;jb9[2?}ta`
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote] {/T/X&ii'y+n9F.?p

t KC/a4p.Y,T \V 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
A,h*@tY-U 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁3eA @C4F1lY
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低gpT!Z$ouTN
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高\ W,T'TeK
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
:vm"B&n es 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
NT%Te'hX 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平#B!v'x.C@$Rz|!H

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]:JT q4v#d
咁又係~~
o"{E^-ZoY 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
/IZ-YEV$f7t/Sp1Bj t 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦Gr/|:t*uC0w
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星zxVUD"^7f!q
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 J QRO6HW(B
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書TsUGFc,?h4I
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層*H"W'}@$LA1zK;|.W
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
3QK)nw!qA&? 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
F(RN3Ye$M1] 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,%|TY{5p3D1[
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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'}WiV6A%T 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力$}/W o g[P2e$X@
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...eb7L,] KV P i
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
y ?f.X qi;o%Y^b 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力"WS_ g\ Z
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:"i*s!F;K|],@
這題目矛盾的地方是:3U8Ephh6m
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
2v |1N+^"L6g\P 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]P D XKyjA#{
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野Y+G0}|;v
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
8q6u.O-i,b;K 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
&s8X!FZ s't-E 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實a4I'O:}J
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
| }rL0l0]|&_6p [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]^Y,W;u3v`9D0O
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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7] W'P1Jf [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], _1]C8i2h9P1@S2R
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]P)O~I)sC5Y/k

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.CBpR1mr*\ q
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
i Pf$b3LJ If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.m"ng n.d"d/o
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:,ebEn N(|ULP,|
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
(~O&R-E y 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
/v-koB~|D_ It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
c%{2i_9ZRRr3p2t\,M People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
yq4M AyAL People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
2A!CJ U&N People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifesVP,w7^2r K'm
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:T}7`"?1cu,p W
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No9Dhb;@sW
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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?`-sZpRn I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM: A&_/j-jaQQ^
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No0G XEs#^
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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U,Z;P];k,qh\u'R 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功e6^&_O:_Gup^0me
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行;}s!M4ai0tn}
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,)mi${_k*I {,c CS
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次]"^,i*`4H |*T
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
j9s'NLP 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
`.~$z{I-X 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理,\cix3Oh |q
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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b)H*X nSb-|8{5]7\ 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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ej+HR#Ir5iW7H 書解:*Uo$yde#h7Ma'N
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
#W4B Z#cJq 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
o Fr FFe1n9yW 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
%G$V4{m~ 去左邊?
,Z7r L4dWV~ 當年聯既沙柏
:Ka+\O pK%} g 係最佳年輕球員%|;^bdB n B\@
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運
#y*F7E/cL)c*I 都係死......XA l8U)~5xKN-G(O
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點s~+i"I2~w }5W
至少
%^/I1Z\8Fx cF*l 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時J&m&^5oG|W
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
R?)|"p T7pn 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
2Q.rl}y0q(w+\z(l 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
7F(` \by \f 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻,x:p3P)M:p,U
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]8|F1~$Z0{0H6v7BEGKr

/P4?*Nt$c-A#WSr well, Lee Sharpe?
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k)QR$y+Y;[Q then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....~(]ywGX3~$C
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
H$K-U7rI PZ well, Lee Sharpe?
B:\J1|3z He took drugs..
;\(jJJDB @\HtM then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career...../NN'~/Q(p
right?! [/quote] E%h2YT0TW[
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
P2MX&CZ F0B 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]4Q:d9[7P-ocn
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..O$z.O_ ~#R9A
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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4?\[0`vHt 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]&T.|n0K+s:k

t-N)kv3wE(BnF [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…G&tY]0V.jk/u
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:*[#_ R,t~7uVf

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