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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力'Q*Pw%p9F1e)P
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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$B3H2[k3?C 大家覺得:#U4W;GH+JJ
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
-S:|w'Xc {i 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?!j h*PKEZ{K"nMr

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希望大家討論下, 分享下: SGeE$N`
你覺得邊樣重要?!t5}4j2u `
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
*[~,n:k xfJ 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?\7pt'RO;ZuP8r
有無成功/失敗既例子?
$\SD%E9}/btNJ3X 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D(k'~,ZCl7bsT O
我諗會幾有分加;)6P;Q2? Q9F[d6N,I6Q
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D_Y!Z1jNc4bZ

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
+V;V`ZL@ O 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
n6iP{6d{6O 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~ ~ iC4OtW!|
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~g~ SA#UV"b
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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JI4R*a$g 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
/g L*as!B(z3xsJ 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=D;G1a;_)e5{&w\
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
@T_\7[9^0D i3T 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
nF.k$i k+|a#y_ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙jK6\#V9rJM`OU
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書[ D!_4t.gG a
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
g!{wv)Mw M&P!za 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:C;OhgU%H
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
5H F O;H_,_;} z([ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???1\ f0`"i(] ^(vim
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???@R1f@h
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得r;Gm)_+bx
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
R(P t:E6J1} 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低"L4NPA!u,A X P9i6x
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
2W'U`?s 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高]Ig:ki
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
.aJ1i4^^H 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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qk,W T `a$eY 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]wP+D8^j\E7|
咁又係~~
+K)M2`%Yx vR 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
`Ta&Ni;n;K n 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
p,X;Mv3J~#Ia'\ 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星h"U-S+Hm:|L
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
*B9}.t0gs \0f 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
5nP{,|@5z/]+k:N 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
k)z"bc\%m1s4NZ"M 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]Y7nV&E ~$F?~)O

.BPE4Xlb 用運動是很好的例子:D
*e7L$S!`"i+Nxh 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
6k(lC;|}-`(w-` ? B 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,d3H`U!m#`
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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6xqMd f `5Ed| 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
v"xwao |%Ng5v 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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jv M,M^Ih+\ 這題目矛盾的地方是:?yj{a&D-nA
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力 _u_g o o
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
'v4\ } qb_Q 這題目矛盾的地方是: tgG%y r6~ ~$f
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力#X"i;r3O^8k*V
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野#yXb*],MMrF
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
'l w.E+d&S S 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
F*|!w&fAv i 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:$k/Q+BmER:U Y
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野2K_s4PO}5V(o\
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
s&M:p ^#Q h [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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nU#abF9BKCm [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], 1j&dc [c
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color] NG l-YO

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
mu1Ax2LW\ but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.5r @"d'rq2z v7z
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.3m$ts1f-`!l
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要X:D)~-`nI3y NT'r2e:s
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童l/V4xIx
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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JymJh&v 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:}TeL*~g `)m1Q0`5B
聰明重要 @~WbN ~n
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童.XlN-chWi
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
C5z-@7R)FUlp1K;@ everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.Op a!Yc V#P0f;a6e$B
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
\ M,l W6U#O)m&x1dDX 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
(JU"d7i&D\3y0Qf It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed-K+M GN0m;K n2NR
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力)__ZCY[t
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
9?.Z)U4WH People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life-}5H_v^8Xe"V~y x
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:~#A{)MA_3F-n ~/~6}
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoaZx t6IQ&y3O#m;iu
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
3k_C?\@;X_ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
J-n$b6?~_n 只要肯 ... [/quote]2b8qlC+N4H6i
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
Us.e} NwVvZs 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
cE#C+h+sn"D0x9E 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,8~$W {^ci7J]6w
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次*Dj.a [/utT!_)h4u9va*Cp
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍K2t0jPn6Lp Z
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
9d(nWd\ 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理 NTL V/nk2\
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《傷仲永》
kc%J&bs'hx 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 'z:l5~9H;U9S
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 :X,KP(Zy

@#Z8C*@Kd9Q 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?|g,i0tQy+onV;E{z
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z6Bm0Bp'd"NPo+_ 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻r| b&ZL
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現4AtU6s @
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱sp:Ixud d-jw8uo
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係最佳年輕球員4W!WHCj0Ny \
之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係
ya;O0y2ixRQ4o 有天份但係冇好運
oY$a_] i0ZV%S {!z 都係死......
.AI;Do#r_},x0quP!O 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否a~l2fx
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v(m3Am1l[-IO-Y 小弟覺得天份緊要一點:Z ?;Rn`:b
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時0t X3l-EfVPx
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
2c&I] P-A/{iut| 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
tsi k twG-S 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:1bd$J9_hD6a(G
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻 GS{ u;|F2I
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
^3P$T Kw8_*e right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
g^5U3L[6R/a[C well, Lee Sharpe?
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3q1b@gtP_4k then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
&?3VfE)z?7bU.]9Y/p right?! [/quote]
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IZ3{q&M9c8G 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
"?#K|J8q;U p)A 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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9jo8u7s7wE [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..i#Z)i/LE4e
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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$N*f b2s/Ir%oI [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
V8t+k%UU%J ? 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]6H!Pl{g a6i:{H b1N
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
"S UN m%j lk 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:5IJ2q0qXa ~
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