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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
*|z Kv!d*\6C5{L7e:x 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙*eczhNj[)D

s N bHW{X 大家覺得:c?~i:} X
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
2bg8L ?0\Vyp 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?BAxAv2Qg [

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X$\ d_&n6m4_J 希望大家討論下, 分享下:t(\;dw0V:kT/p%hkNH
你覺得邊樣重要?Ze`4i%Me;Z&bhr
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,5k ~'X(@L,BF
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?l'`URI5S&D
有無成功/失敗既例子?4JjU8p[
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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8p(x8Ax o o/O2O 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
}i$`8ObT Q z.[ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
y e9_[ x6FT 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
f%}j rS 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~{c[%\T6b
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~`$B B6P4]*u&S({6ejU
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
.@8z} H&AH2E 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.='So]6L%B@&uK
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦!oa"I1F+^OS'p
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
8A a:a/]kf 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
*t$~ `J-~9l1? f8G 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
_L7C@ JHL 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層(@kf1C#\7[.I2F
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:aP(W/z"O;X
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
A\-s,Z K9g+H'T} 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
,j%J%V6^KvQ w 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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btO1fw T!H 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
?,d:AFh%b;j7b a'| 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]]:[ ["[0z{p"\
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得3DhL Az(W*d$i+n
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
5ZUJbSmQ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
h ShD/n|;y 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
T1@ y8e*K*q&q0E+c 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高L9mb sz@x2_e
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
u9yH![.u 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平I T!LX1NfM
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:`hD e.Z hb \8aY5x
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
8J8U\+nE-Z 咁又係~~
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM: G_4VC1DR{`#_
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦3h!N%GpE9Jx8e
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
4`Q7Q.aY-ld 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
4Q3n9weSZTS } 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書0pQ;{}!CY
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
*m&f e2Lq|D%e&^ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]-hf2n v!t
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用運動是很好的例子:D
2o-\}sC3RoJfv A 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
m m:t [ Q(~8v^c+w 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
9tVe5B$_K7y 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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wv|5k}4oV+uMa\ 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力j,]U&V(ZNB8M3O
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...6j.BL I"`j
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這題目矛盾的地方是::KI [ d4`B
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力!x1P+z![buH1Wk h
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:-F2Jw5j.Fg&|2Md)N
這題目矛盾的地方是:`#Yyx!i${/Vt`{
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力J,|PPjh6|P
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]'J[ }}#UT
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野!Sc%B;|*M"F-f| i
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層/u0C9U+O ~$b7gK2C
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
:R[4ohW 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實'?#nb0n1|'h_

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野;lS-I:pZ q$` I z\
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color][*X:X/f.^}#n1T
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]!\}N8j e]D
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
5jz0?;{y(p)GB'Z [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.o5c_:J~@L!Me?
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.`#A f-T+i7WF1\-E+x6j
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it. N(d/r-s[GHH5[
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童[uQ1_[ZGb.i
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地'K/h`Ixw?v

4u/CIm&ELa9x [ 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
&@/pcfa6n 一日付出 24 小時去溫
9rW,{0l:S K 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:(X&TG8I%U U8ZD
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-?,SS(yCe 世界各地個 d 天才兒童a6VU(Y@]
... [/quote]Uu@1k?%x

5lW0zpj'vA2Q*j(u Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only1}v"`*Jy\t0n
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
k;YN0k:m7P ]&N but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
r2h4S}2zo'| 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
)igJI3XS3^w;Z-`,q It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
'K{D+w.]!y nL People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力S;TlYcA/[!C
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力$X3bR)x4T
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
&lw |.U7N&Pk-Md*KUR 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
G"H"t*` @*J)N3Z 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
2E}"Fg2\ o:jd[ 只要肯 ... [/quote]Q5P/vw+]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:oQ]pm
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No(k#oz R0K*P&Jc1C
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功 oQ+TF^3so5P H
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行#jeOJw]z R
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,YI:NOp
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
R5O.O)[3dPS 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍&P~"m3[V TJj
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
*KCeAZ 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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^1r8i}a}4X.D3gc 《傷仲永》
Q_VJ3@ r.G Jb p&Y8h 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 2hJ"Tr ix}
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。?8Y,?s0|]

c6q M%Bb/Z/V6H 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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Bp(qmf4l C 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?v8i {eS'a,j%h

[(DT_)O`t`~R 書解:
X S%|9@\ 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻:x r ^N!J3s V
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現{pE s,N
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱)y"A M9?s(CM
去左邊?"NJ[/RV"ac
當年聯既沙柏c|.zck&yj,I}UE
係最佳年輕球員
1P1B x@1c l;ZKk 之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係
$k7F_&PWvR(f!T 有天份但係冇好運
O-{4z x!gM3^9KG V 都係死......
*Ay4A p5w%S,r"j 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧(gP5{6]b)C2^$Grj
而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才k#c7|W#t
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人\2@;Wq0s;s
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17: ET$R1p+U*`;F6C+m
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
#q3n3n6hD-H];x:C;C:m 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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9P:Z?Xh He took drugs..
d"yI_ o_ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
o6I t+zmS right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:EB;V&TuNs5m/C
well, Lee Sharpe?
0ZrC2v;~n He took drugs..
^|%kob_9M?&L? then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....~(CXB:M3g
right?! [/quote]lh2|$eb3T9Y
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
gbP u,G%Y%T 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]*P-q-w'E%o+NQ

W N#wu4l [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
)yG;[ d9VET` 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color](AK;v'PvC-hPqF*z

5]sKnBJO { [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
L/P9| i/n t i 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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,avY$Vj3wA!{_e [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…Q;A,UK7C
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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