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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力a+\xt*M LW
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙SS K&VVA
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大家覺得:
6w a&^6q3{T 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是f5UKq:|%} K+]
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
ZP#JP,dhb 你覺得邊樣重要?
&h ZC7^&TuM? 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,7K9eStK q4S
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?wg8Ka ~`]&Z7bwR
有無成功/失敗既例子? rX*_2V| d'f.`
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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2M]0[$y2J9Y'W 希望大家俾心機答:D!P}#HuN)ZJ"dH ch
我諗會幾有分加;)6|{5}` p?y-{
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D M[Y%n ?5Y:h ]I

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~Lx3u-qws)t
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
LIp,z:[ 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
H}^D._ |/Ndg f(` 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~^.t)I[v"S)c5k
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
M9dNM"W 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.={4lg`o7z YA
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦DGlxW
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
E!rX6fi"E5`Qa9Hc 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
7PapP+WE#k 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書hZ,Ua+\S
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層'k-@AW5TQ
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
VnP1aM(H2A 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]_ _/`gd"D
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???(P j2_g9YG
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:#| c+CF,q3fC
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???%P+~q1I(fQFMl/b
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]fr SFC3`9k5\Y
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得&? A:`|f fT
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁F#@*y3AV|)FK1O
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
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可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高Dc"F \3s {F
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
`+|#S'k?m 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平#B Yk6S2~E#]

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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8Cxk H+W9F 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]*ir{ sXL,mg
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:0h#T qF/w Wi Q
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
{%qs&Kg 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星8X+~L6w F
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
5~7l[,Y~ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
"d!a"bK;J ~ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
JV%qwq:M:X `s 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]0yQ h5n7l,W5J

zW2I*E?E2~9@ 用運動是很好的例子:D"rJo RA
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
caX:W*LYZ3IW,{ 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,h B] UbU%dk;B
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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Y#i+L\4as\'Ma 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
Ri A\o%n"s-?2| 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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yD q.gp(y%ka 這題目矛盾的地方是:
4NmU!^C\J 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
0V"^H B^e6Rd ` 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
DsuN zPFJw.^ 這題目矛盾的地方是:rm4q$w1w P/m
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
Q i'F!^ f3X7U 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] f%A)rvg#^m5u

~_LG gy 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 }'N}:E"S.y+sy
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
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有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實J#a6a,{ r T*@ {;[1CJ}
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:Rx F1U xK^
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野2f(h}TQ
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
4_9x&[5rp _S,Uv&y [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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;N)Fo&b:o'k a? [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.g$@8ac| qf K*l
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
3i0_z|"mp#\+j If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.1zw4\C,s5K a:V
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:^qC!z/[(t5k)a0n
聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only@Tzt/x
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
w _)a n DgC\2`5[ O9[3Z but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No8Bj!m'Y%s.yHNu
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
T-QN2TUg3G5xh/Gx It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
JU y:Z3Me People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力3XQlqlV
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
K"L2w$X#A b People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life$G$?-F?)nN
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
J4hlXN#V 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
A&E(N4b"aU Z 只要肯 ... [/quote]-U)T1tvHK'eL] D

G5zH _HU I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:['`#l| t(a.d*Oa|
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No} S2H.D;rBe@ x
只要肯 ... [/quote]F5a3|J5n^ Ae

R8op%I0CKcJ 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功Yh/vhO{9ziYY\
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行;a1OxP/Y$_e5E!zu
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
3]8|7u)`tA 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
F{R8jX 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍"s-\_.t0IF(]$t&Kf*L
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在4G e7tK h,U!E2y.GSE
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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b%Q U"qA snR9jxK 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。_|T0l,iel6}A
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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|? w2j&^.I*I? 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
2HX0UyHn:?3S;a 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現})M.o cr D
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱#B^3r Z?myE
去左邊?
$J7[8Y`1E$\z&OBn4R 當年聯既沙柏T/Lk;E b
係最佳年輕球員
;J4U.Wtnk3eG&r#N} 之後又點呢?#uIsvW(p"a+P

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"M`!]9?{T2N 有天份但係冇好運8J:i+SI9Jj2lOy
都係死......
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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~ PNP0_6| 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
i4Q'WLp 而且
SC:A(CG*f Fm 其實好多時
oy5K'm;cVZ$n 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
iLl8wA V kk q 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
UMy]1}"H8m:c-X 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:3UW"[.N1d6l{0k4[
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻@sJ+y[4Dh4v7fk
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs.. @ F%|"hN0[r4M%go(F m
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....nW {kytC0QN
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
.p6N4K]+]U{-M well, Lee Sharpe?`%vxr[B
He took drugs..#a[G Q _Iid
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
Z2C+vqW@~L 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]/X0Er.w@c%^4W

]y!g6q0f:[ [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
#y8N.a;H_%g G-d/@x(J 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color].pnd;P9a u

9g]E$sy [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街fu8H9@9G;_u7V{gn
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]F#oA/G)D.Yr2x@
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
7[ R0c|!x 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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