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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
{/wSC"dE&P7pau 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙!J`;[m+e3S$?R
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大家覺得:8R}%l fF['O
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
9E~MrX9JU 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?9Z3E$T;\m]&]
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
6OH jqpW6L 你覺得邊樣重要?-s^cuF` Z8{y
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
mxbo&Z'{*{V)Y 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?:F$A?)T U b
有無成功/失敗既例子?R:R0m,HQ\
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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WU V,p5}Wh6^ 希望大家俾心機答:D#T6|U Q`+m q(M8w
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~{7s"I;[L/`4n
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
!G lB2l4Zm 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~4L!Z If@g+T
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~dza;R%T0M
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~3Ev0GF em

,?k,?I*QU8H 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~E/n@2e7YT)I{Mvx
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.= r/uj p%]
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦*sC\5Mf
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
V B;M!?}$\r;vHo 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙:w9E nh0TC*cSDXC
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書}L]4k-V
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
$P.Y4xT,L5{c 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:tR?{*vo
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]x r*jeBoO"C`
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???/D5Zh9j qY'eBO
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:!DG&l _&B5?P

Hk/fe+h.n_ 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???J r3[ ~4c
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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)FcK-CM+^(h;see 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得7E-S)J1{2f&K$Z
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
P)W_"J4tk5KXP G)@"u 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低5Psk2nd}*Q+hY`
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高I[y,x {-~
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高]y;pw&Y;f vq
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
a1U{m*S HH 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:6N @rhZ
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mp5]+OA+\(l 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
0n9ri$H4rlOg 咁又係~~
f$N:L;oq:C(? 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:S#eqDar)uHj
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦)Z#f*AhO
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
;^4gcBlZ*O3H t3F 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙[!B(ley1v9nN*Z
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
p4c'_ x&DeR 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
.CSS$M qs'Iu!^ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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3c M;@H a@JP4e z H 用運動是很好的例子:D+xOy E HE
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
5km(S U,yIj 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,UJ'B5N*HN
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
y8|$j:i1tj PN~ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...+v-Z Nd1p-S8k(l
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
$] E ]2H(y*j]p 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力 Th]4f1o(^~
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:1T8M1hLl$R]SL
這題目矛盾的地方是:
|-u\%AzV-]~ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力LkS6j'Pc3pPX
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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|h8|`3kE&]Y&W 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層4X%R,h EG|T F
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實w,[P?j/I

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野(oJ:n1eT |
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
NZ;vi \E [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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4i"~Rki-y [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], Z!Kp'M.uN"JEQ
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.K6em${\u
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.'a)m6Khe9@
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
6~d p/\&_$h8Q2b em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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PAG/vm3F4b U 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
IN0{cmxH 一日付出 24 小時去溫
Sb1i v8XfW9I 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
1Rb`G.F 聰明重要
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&~"SR?/f$y 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No9u!xQ4Ez Yw#G@
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No Q]'a,o*h9i5a F'eL'J
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
8m+b2m7n5@2mr&LP^ People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力L;? {(d+gK"u1inF
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力*c ?!l6?E{t*J
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
\B;Zt/xV 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
@t:_"TK 只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noiy*A\$I/]W
只要肯 ... [/quote]e'z8x.P/^l

g.f t$F%k)E,DP$i I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
v{/K[5J1TZ#G`F0|:V*vW } 只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoZUG%T$?7?#a6O
只要肯 ... [/quote]CQr6Cm#Q1E$~Q,F
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
5N-F%|$G5Z:}%[ 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行O(BZT*Z
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
rnC;\/~.U]#@&N h2j 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
i"^ g r&Fz!a+f;q 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍/Z3Z'u?9Mx [
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在2Hh}1X i cWh
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理%]kH q/g2r
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。Z%z ^;_C

i4i"C5z_%Y%^`B"a&I 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻@ON%U] urU/q
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
g"c bcSy)j 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
8`'NBq+gDfx 去左邊?
&^5A'Jx)az 當年聯既沙柏7@Vq)d\
係最佳年輕球員*ec|x&UB
之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運
:^fYn T)a!A:E%gnY 都係死......vL"L"rImY_i^V
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否#E(t a'f2zc
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.t']|-z r'Tj&?O-W 小弟覺得天份緊要一點3Hj)x#Z.Z#X
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1zX-T S9S,p:T&q 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時"l9| oPW
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才5r\)J6m+IhPAU
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
,ty2gDeP @ 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:-Ujq4vG1}1Hy+d$A!U
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
.j WB&T0[ M![F right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
;[F?wsh(U#l4~s well, Lee Sharpe?
6_.a$Y gr@H He took drugs..
.C%SRxbRB;c*|u$E then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
R G*\#_-tx:v![$IL right?! [/quote]
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%h9}1H P{n9n!J5yD 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
zvHp| 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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%j{!h ume Z [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
}s!|F_ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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(n Y\G7~?e [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
,~9v-{ k)m&z 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]3b%X4y6LjF

zlR"y\U'M [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
uwSp,lt+Gd:b)f 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:;^ qZzH!H6OQw
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