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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
!aJ_"?4e~ s{vWgp 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙Hm-i?(~V%o6b;B l
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大家覺得:Fx3vR4a
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:EI} ?g:E @'cm+vp
你覺得邊樣重要?Ur&Be _%C ]*I
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
,ARA!M e2I+G 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? \ p-|y0L*|LS
有無成功/失敗既例子?:Y*Qt$Xd|
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
rh`L[X 我諗會幾有分加;)hT\d/a4|s%w
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D!Z;?#U\*w9os9W
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$u4@&Aw7rCax *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D9X6Gq/J1fs
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
3~m$l`&l/? 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~`/X5_1V%`
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~i-gMYsw
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
C/V{f5?/X 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~8~W ` u%p;DQD

#v&Hb'{z` 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~ sS~N O{
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
3Yc0j3@8R 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦fh,A3E3^I:~/{ M
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
!j Gl;q*ei/G"l#[{ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙|C&yYh k
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
/y3I TJ lsb 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層D\6^9P9QvN
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
2|4YU K X? 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]YfM`%]{
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???kP2_8|c2P
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:0G)Y:l5o GUS
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???#e}lI]HAk
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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gqt C0r2p)bC 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得zvo I(_
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
1rw.uBy PT 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低uR#{;^4l2d
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高U9Gn1C;? wS6?
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高 U ?0V1A%{.T
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
/q)Y }FF 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平!s4\$s3j oT9e5q$BW'O
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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tN6c-Z:_S 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
oiR KS3y9A\w 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
'Y*lv)fB 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星_+Dm)T u;F$YKM&i
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
#koo2e6oL w fe 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
GYn'W1EcRG q 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層7C7A)b]'V
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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Bf aH+`'u7h 用運動是很好的例子:D
:Z'T!m^&cbb[O 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
DET6K'T#_Ov OW 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
B4De)cTu:p+] 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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p L S7~9ZNU"e 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力!` jb6n oK
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...I6{.dC0^1Lm:MR(\
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
.h3iT b`G-o 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
F7y9B*e{vW^Wn T 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
+k#H9E:A_D 這題目矛盾的地方是:!e _/Nw.z"v&Kv4D8Z/m UO
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力:lUP9Y9L
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]-]8I p0F2wa4O
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
KOxO ?^!E 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
@+d"vS[IN,O@ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
5s$w$zC|s!y 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實+b{!fdU
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:R?;S_R1C:x7i
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PmF s u E_ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野brg6~+b%Z\&h%s
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]3i-zo,LT.{
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]!]6d nk{ @

pIP;G)x]?.g`(I [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
r"^w Xj'V9R [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]-g{ cz+_"Z T%ub

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
N@F/kv*x but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.zYH+z)^4~7a$C
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
SRB!FaH em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要a.v%G){5l
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
5ht4^-{3rN6hy 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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一日付出 24 小時去溫
FR fT#i 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:HEw!?#r-t/^?V
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only~Mq8Gd PL$Hu
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
iLxQw5N6M.@e but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
:s:i,UXuU 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
[D2gd3M(Z ? It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedXZ&PZ$HUSJ0kH\
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力K1epY` a T8z
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
]!A6b9| g;y;~_$FM People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
5YK6@j9\#n#rV 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:4t EjyEr8wp4TT
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
1VT.p4aya8si0m 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:'?*`[M }9M$@W,q
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
n? v(qG4| o%D 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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c Ca3N4I6vH 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功/wpc)j*C
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
0zmQ]5]9E9Ul"o 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,x,l/P#{T1f3j
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次n%N1c4w&R^ g
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍5q8bJ n b w iD~'V+X*r
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在,p[?0R\hlZ(N I
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。@w |D0wF'l9WB%D{
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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2B6r'_` {T `7[:c!b 書解:Y;Y lE Y4s0d
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻 ks`P,a8z*Y
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現Y/[9A4O H:U3G@
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
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係最佳年輕球員_JD8tl
之後又點呢?
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[ E8O,O-NJ9b-`2q 小弟想講既係
f'e'VYcx;W0[X*_ 有天份但係冇好運)bA,b&x4o pM2w,L
都係死......@a,|C4P1gd
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否2O`'vc/Y'j|a

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點ts[ mC}e/O
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
{*KicZ 而且
R3^o8q7P7Z 其實好多時T0{c\ oUJ `
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
{7F1X k%gS0}b-` 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人4ng5qnT ^!|z
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
gvm2^"U/~hJl 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻:?(? F&q|6xPi
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]O9A S(q6~4C
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
)A|4k1yn*R&DT right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
K&Z0`,B$CQ2b b well, Lee Sharpe? V?.G"O:[zi%B/Kor
He took drugs..
:j8X!mc.jp_ Z4O then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....d3WDD4MM2B
right?! [/quote];jIn3E4H X

1\^ w*T.O'o2\P 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
x6?` Bd%I*p1t ` 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.."[o ]'`&N*b:@DtWi{
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]0p/Z:BU@i:aC
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
]ceALI1L 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]+_~Y7kVL!T

d]_:Jl [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
-tT/\6u2e$^Lq 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:7k8u~$b,[
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