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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
5gsjG6c0Ael4U$S 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙 TAotXZ2Scv

A2q3qRd EHV 大家覺得:!j R~d} Zb,c)M
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是(`7tDoOkm)H;}I
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?9Zmb5]s k s4W

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
5^#[f R/I{ 你覺得邊樣重要?KE+X@q#T
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,NFpvw\
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
+T V2Wqr!QV&nt 有無成功/失敗既例子?0L_8K W'arI
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?|@ }B"XwY
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ESa4s jh 希望大家俾心機答:D
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6z,G SL0Z0J+YE 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:Dt t[LQU7wgw8|

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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
q:f8lJq_6k've 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~n1z4jDh/e
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~b@!v!jX:YDo
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
7r8c5r {r/O 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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0RUc p"Z ^I5P 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~n2Zd4g8O$VNL
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
1? K*h+L6` 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦K$].d7I ~5Hd u:oE
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星%U.Du*^m)w6|;?8X1Z
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
b;H~(ZQX hA2N _ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 W^HqV-^~
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
1GCe*};f{ 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:9i&g9YP+N#rp1M(U
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
b#p Y!Yytk 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
ZepUGA(?R 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
#r)D^l+gl3j+h#~ r 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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)yB0DPR 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
em%_?5vQ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
2l7J!Oj y"N;I 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低.@+hG:kV)d8Oh qG
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
d"S;Ws@t|7i's1Z 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高I;{@/fZ t \/JHF4y/?!I
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的!vb,~.z%]#^Fh/_
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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]7P gqL&S-u 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
-Q.] |HchC 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
W-K$g[)t3k;I-t e8Z 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
"F CFF:{)N:H0D%@)OJ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙Vv-rd'Z
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書-H/|!q;E#~&r
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
b'dubb4y 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]Z#^)U1Q |

h ^)s8og5`5JO#?S 用運動是很好的例子:DkrYEj
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.:]z"X1rc@.x w
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,'@5s v7{_i S.D
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
Ld%l8|jr 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書..."h2i,IBf!IV]7Y
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
n3wYI{f8dpm 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
!V8r|ZB [0P!f6y@ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:(^m+?&f6HHx
這題目矛盾的地方是:P7U2k"R-D(y
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力r ^j:c+{ ` `I+A
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote](r4TH^B&R*J
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
[)E?f9A;Xa| 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
qIp'RP `1o_ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層%W c)cNX@'cD
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實%I8`.UGx1K)y0n

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
#aMn$X5a-B [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]]!C?8nVbV#^7cD
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], n TM,Hd p iC$E
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]!o7n ?9]9Ag_&zg
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
+t2i&@BZ3Tb but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
N%^8n&ztF3W\6ap s2I If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.|8O5|!^3Qy,Bd
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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.qROi'v4K1]7iK 世界各地個 d 天才兒童;Zp1lN$@8k
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地(e]n+lZ&U@
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
3W&r pp[l"QA_ 一日付出 24 小時去溫
v;Z'Kg/M Ful 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:w x&|tbQa.@#_+p
聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyD#c$[ ]_S}Z6R
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
3vkrL&GO;? but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
"mXrxpd 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No5X,TnH G(m/S
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed&sZ;I:AWQ8u E
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
*\\3g5{#x)j7J@L People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
4](w5_)\'A/k People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
AR8o6[4w1S:N'A 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:-f:|M6d5E{S)Qv
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Now7~.CE/A9@$d [
只要肯 ... [/quote]!H*??_e*Y

_4H:{.sgo'T(II5y-[ I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
l \_$E\ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
vFT]B i,q$k 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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0a9j.hW I(M\(f#s 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
{xY(dFD9`s.W7R:` 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行+K!J-u x+F
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,g^*Pnpa&k-q2~M
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次:B%wWk#h
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
i Kef/X |{i 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在6jg~9BC0h!a)T/i|
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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,t9D/aI&v5bD 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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E2I V c.m"P'y+o 書解:
'Z Z(_4l qO XX 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
MG+}K\ of4zq)~ 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
8r k B%|.b(aF9d;h 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱5A\ QU&H@&j
去左邊?^!R\*o7N&TVz;{
當年聯既沙柏
q4R(Z1f&}p'^,~:J 係最佳年輕球員 B9WVK&N-xj5X
之後又點呢?%{1^\4A*x$gG0L
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有天份但係冇好運
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0i:H.mZ}/CMPq } 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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7}X4z3v$ZH~ 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧/\&LD!cTx
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小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人R D4Wn:c4m#S
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
]&rz pLw"U4m 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
PxBxp?-x 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]7R l$S"b!eo#Y1v,N

f$uU'z%u%JS9K2O well, Lee Sharpe?:|r ME:P
He took drugs..,])WM2]W}
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....G-|mk(D9N| g
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
q"tJ[5L*W5|P)\j(u well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....%vRh!^9G|}M
right?! [/quote]1^o4b`S
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左.._rX(],PeH
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]1L(G"c^~ s&[u
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
/L-]BN"`p 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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]S(tU0S*X F7[ [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
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