[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:40 PM:
卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
你舉的例子都幾搞野 [/quote]
你也可以這樣說o2oH}9K'@8k)k6x
但這樣有否證到小弟所說﹕
『「際遇」也會影響到一個人的成就』這論題嗎? D n q R3~
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[color=Green]天份 X 努力 X 幸運 = 結果[/color]所以[color=Blue]天份和努力都是同等的[/color], 但係[color=Red]天份不可改, 努力是可變[/color](_[#g2fn3}_ u M A3Q"x
既然天天份不可改, 我們只好默默地努力 (唔好同我講可以改運,我唔信呢D)$o)F'f @nW+yVd^
個人認為藝術係好講天份的, 創作力可以練ma? 方間係有好多話可以訓練創作力既方法, 不過其實無物邊個係得既...k3?3lK+s!N9a @ \!p:x2d
以前日日好努力踩板呀, 真係日日的... 但係限於無天份, 玩左成年都無咩野睇,就咁收山
相反我有個朋友, 好有天份, 短短1,2年已成為了香港的頂級高手(當然他都有努力)
咁就可以証明[color=Blue]天份和努力都是同等重要的[/color]
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努力much more important than 天份 M s] h/Y
天份 only limits at a narrow range of things, such as sport, academic, art........but i think none can have it on all things
but if u 努力, u can do all the above things, even not perfect, but can do it well or not bad
如果你係冇天份而有努力, 你總可以安安穩穩咁生活
如果你係有天份而冇努力, 你總會有一時風光, 但唔會長久, 真係<一剎那光輝唔代表永恆>
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我冇乜野心, 我情願要努力. (死前知道自己努力過, 總算死而無恨)"i_)w a vvx ?
ps. 其實 "努力" 係唔係天份之一種? 真係唔係咁多人可以努力
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most rich and have great achievement guys are also hardworking, they have talent, may not all have i think!
but those poor and low soical status guys are also not, they have no talent? i dun think all too!x:ggP#M9qy
moreover, from my experience, some guys always say and think themselves have inborn talent, but this kind of ppl always haven't, or just less, what u have is not from the mouth, but from yr work, if u are not harding to show yr work, how do u know and how do u let others to prove and know u have this inborn talent? say from yrself is useless!!!
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i wanna give an example from what i have seen in my school:#tYqG ` xe Z
sometimes in my school, few of students are disable, some may just can move their heads or some are blind due to some acident. D&].z(Jh&\ c {e
are they inborn to read books and study without reaading buy eyes? are they inborn to study without the help of limbs?
i dun think so! so what they get great achievement on school work?
hardworking and good heart!!!
[quote]Originally posted by [i]singdotcom[/i] at 2005-4-26 02:05 AM:n:Y1j4vEkLW
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如果你係冇天份而有努力, 你總可以安安穩穩咁生活
如果你係有天份而冇努力, 你總會有一時風光, 但唔會長久, 真係<一剎那光輝唔代表永恆>"W.VA[7]
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ps. [color=Blue]其實 "努力" 係唔係天份之一種? 真係唔係咁多人可以努力 [/color] [/quote]9@X d pZ)s2{
This is a good point bro.:lol:d"ra5C
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我覺得每人都有'努力'既能耐, 而且人人都可以好努力做一樣野, 視乎佢喜好, 有人可以一個月唔溫書, 但不停玩online game努力升級, 所以我覺得努力唔太算係一種天份:)
你點睇呀?:D
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hi, from my opinions, playing online game all the days should not be counting in hardworking to do a thing (just like sleeping or playing all times)
what i think abt hardworking is its work is 艱苦D gei oW Tk3P/y
that means he/she needs to against "give up" thinking and pay a lot of effort and time on it!
[quote]Originally posted by [i]jason williams[/i] at 2005-4-26 02:41 AM:B(K7D9o,FA2K tl
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haha, i got your point there :D
my view of hard working is simialar to yours... "`(_4{/TCq"|q)l A
someone works very hard to achieve sthg, z7] I2Fg`}Z3Kq P |s.u
i didn't actually mean someone play hard, but i would say if he did work hard in order to increase his level in the game by giving up sleeping time, dates, etc....
i'd say he's hardworking, does it make sense to you?:D
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anyway, it's good talking to you White Choc.:D
[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-26 12:48 AM:
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yes, i get yr points, and me2, nice to share view and talk with u!!!
let's talk some of my experience b41[ k)O @
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i remember this year, i have talked with my fd who studying Psycho, i ask him why i always can't concentrate on my school work now but i really have goal to do it
he told me that because mine 意識層 is weak, but it can be stengthen
what a funny result i can get is :
hardworking can be trained by hardworking, hahhaa^^
for playing case, none dun like play, because we most like play or sleep as this time is most relax, i always think why i can spend so much time on internet but not on my school work, may be it has no pressure to do it and not so serious and need to "dejest it"
for more detail should be a psycho question that need professinal to answer6{o,wM M.~x o.VJ
so just like spend a lot of time on lazy, it should not be counted in hardworking even if spend a lot of time on it^^ N a7~0nd
nice to chat to let me think more ^^
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努力..冇天份...會好辛苦先去到天份o個d人ga成績到..
有天份又努力.... <--掂晒
[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-26 12:31 AM:'W#BO&o;W h$j
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多謝哂. 在我的定義中, "努力"係指一個人無論做佢鍾唔鍾意的事, 佢都會全力以赴. 好似<長今>咁, 就算叫佢洗碗, 幫宮女按摩, 佢都全力做好. 呢d就係"努力".
相反, 如果一個人有某方面天份, 但佢只係在這方面"努力", 做其他事就求求其其, 甚至有d事佢應該要做, 但係因為佢對呢樣野冇天份而唔去做, 佢都唔算係真正"努力".
例如一個科學家佢對研究有天份同在這方面很努力, 但係佢表達能力極差, 如果佢唔"努力"改善表達能力, 佢都唔可以將d成果同其他人分享.
我覺天份90%, 努力10%
會考就係最好的例子.u.e:YIM!C T8T
就以會考數學緊講, 有d人真係唔洗溫書, 做幾年past paper就攞個A.
有天份又努力再加運氣就更好
[quote]Originally posted by [i]jason williams[/i] at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:
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psycho is hard~.~
haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me:D5E3Q*O8A]
i'll try to think about it more deeply later on:D/Vc4CW.GT v
good to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~:D
[quote]Originally posted by [i]singdotcom[/i] at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:
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hahhaa, 不用客氣:D^|
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我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了:) e R4JT+E t9O
以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀:DQ6` h
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哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心:D
[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-26 11:44 PM:4\-NLH9|
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哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.$h3xR DfUD9{
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哈哈, 我都有少少離題了.
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic
[quote]Originally posted by [i]singdotcom[/i] at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM::B0Z8d2z ]"cSA'? u iW#U
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哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.0Jz \w+b+j
哈哈, 我都有少少離題了 [/quote]7vR!Ng-}}-x&}z
哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢:D
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同類既topic會盡量日日都出, 希望大家可以一齊用下腦袋啦:D,Zf2La2W jL)i
你有無試下答大義滅親果條呀, 都幾好玩嫁:D <----- 哈哈, 剛發現你答了, 多謝支持:D-]|t4u+P
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[quote]Originally posted by [i]jason williams[/i] at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM: C(zc`#R3Q3`
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haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic [/quote]
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haha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally):D)X+cPktyy
pls enjoy:D
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again, have u tried the 大義滅親 one? that's quite funny IMO:D GO TY
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Give it a go if u have time:D
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besides, crap! interest to ask u+j N j ^L(DrS
which faculty u are studying, u seems interest in thinking and doing research on social, psycho and philiosophy!