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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
t;? z_LPX 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙:F-HP0S ~5~.dc
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大家覺得:8~ TU9vz%m
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
bM2RILfF 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
9A rM7M:J-Q 你覺得邊樣重要?4s]8trS'~JP0U*hJ
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,3}*zqaTb0L
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?M(T,f-G m9z+K{Ws
有無成功/失敗既例子?&VxCW%f6^
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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.j.Y iz@ 希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~5N%i+? i/q o;Hx;CN
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~d,~{U ZZsL
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
g#X4DD'\AS 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
C'YRg6Z 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~"q[u]'W&T[.S
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~8R c4zyGm
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=8b*J Z] xs3Fv
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
f;iR7l%t!p)cYu 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
P e5Kr"@(\ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙 E%V@L:G#o
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
O+SSM`.N0Q ZcN 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層l-XMU4?
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:e+W cOz/Qg^6h,h
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
*P%a{on}"U'Y,o 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
"\T_.A? lpc 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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nD|3~B1zQyd;w&n 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???'[,Z;O5KvL
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得v edE+}&f
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
vG#ic*t:} y-J Y2]r 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
B5D7z6vL4x ~a3P2} 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
x0P\$_/Hii 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高.A9m K0R*R N9v {8Y
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的Dx r*B:]&D[6QX
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM: ~8} sc%Q&iW

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w-WrkQ[ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]H;SFzh7l8ty:I]V
咁又係~~4^IoF4b~
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:u4?3ORcnb*z m2nB5_
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 `)XK4H5^ { }
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星cU}4KO1xY
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
&{/{%u#\/yq/] 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書)u |6A2{g
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層Z]3X\ajl2H j)RV+~
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D3o9E q0y(]
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
d"k'r+ds/Qw7JfI] 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,$kR&U e*_eE I
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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&zH+v c^'F$Q 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
B]4mD(u} 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...e*R/AT mQ4cuvO&i
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
W+Jy0AE 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
r/D%s\)M;T5_joZ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
JD,hJf%J1w 這題目矛盾的地方是:
4j ]j%_fu9lVNJ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力D^7ov6J[NJP
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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_V+h L&J8g*Z.L/x 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野-KNSG`P|
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
ua9mYe&Hj P 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
b1f7Q0AJ 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:7g,CepBcC;qT

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[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
nLR;M&c?p$V [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]2tp!E}iO!^:x

DfR(L%oT [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], C:}f\){;T
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.&k7Z4tOh
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
Fb(A6Z~O If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.-FwQ9~4pkK*n0R$s
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要{Qr&l-AL'p"C'oe

XPgb8n^dM's*M 世界各地個 d 天才兒童+R ~_4X`)zk,\EA
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地EH'TBe/S)|
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人8]%^w|-t-\;WL
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:4a w/pQ2W
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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W_!NOX@0C Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
]&d6j"k&Mlly(A everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.U]h J9V2qk ?
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
,z5T~MO4ihR,Sf 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
@/r(Hb G4~w It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
:UG p?a#q!oaUx People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力a#@_+Nrb'C8i'U
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
rO.W#FJMFyF,z }R People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life `3X6~8s8[rXj
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:do-{Y\e$cU@8l
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No"G/z6b{ BPc
只要肯 ... [/quote]7Cuf QM#W7Cj

#xl}8? xZ6q y I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
7YH;SA~lq 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
ZVm]y)f 只要肯 ... [/quote]6pw4c9Q\ W[(| l
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功EN)?7dc$pq%Fk
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行Q9P'B1d3l
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
q8g'R`0q3f 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
i.i_7U$d,|!aI 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
~eoqb'MLJ.kQ 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在({j:P/l\ME`8G
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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JeV}3l;r? 《傷仲永》 ^(Fz.H/VJ
金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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S"j$S*@bZZ/e 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 ?6| I3q.I2c9C

:Gl lo1S 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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書解:
2}1Mk#d*d-M@Y 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻Tu-x-~,M8o0_
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
,LH'I?] 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
_kh jq,y}MM 去左邊?6J:bw _iY?T/~(v
當年聯既沙柏
;Y&}.p}yOQ9r 係最佳年輕球員
t-},~5h7k5ZQ 之後又點呢?
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1u!W%H-?V ~ 小弟想講既係9r7ji ERm&ds
有天份但係冇好運
8D@5dM+I5mo|)oy8[ 都係死......
)z2h3[,@f 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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#hx*W%^"A 同埋
a,\ bjE 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
0X4e9bM0N 至少&b5@(On1{5R f0?*D
有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧 V8n%Tty8LZ~;v&@
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其實好多時
FmM'~"~ ~-I!M 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
c5Y%|oztD 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
c~B Q5Dp+m"pE&~ 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
3l+^%jz~/u%Qu 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻e(w:]1Sj3AT
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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R]B4e2v}I.{ well, Lee Sharpe?h M"OK8gxN
He took drugs..@+U6Z_~R&L8d
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....s~gkc}JY
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:^_$f0qF k#z/\
well, Lee Sharpe?:R ^6mJ,nvE CQ
He took drugs..7x8?Z4Jfva
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....p0vu.o0F] Z{E/z
right?! [/quote]]+Ds6X'qx9~y9}l
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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biJX2k)|%X6p [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
dP*f|:F 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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cYRH8\l dL [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
#C#HnhBlr 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]6L({R~;oA Z
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…*w0H#O)g`,M'|!Z^
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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