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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
:t/m0F~1ws} 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙*Pc2o_Y5T;sk
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大家覺得:
:|?Mt/v 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
Kg:X&Wh]3r v 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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)\[i z P 希望大家討論下, 分享下:G8n|'x8?+z8}W{
你覺得邊樣重要?$WuC/Uz-?B
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
4H/t]9LO)dM5iUC.R"J 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
y m `:\ v+C-[ 有無成功/失敗既例子?M K)C${7f+iiD#r
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D#Whq W K?

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ y|wL)Q;Pn+`
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~M[I4iV"yn7F
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
5T&t7`;T6ti w 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~ jwb7~Cq\O\
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~t0`8G o!h1I[A

I A*Z.XY^ 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
f am+P'h9} 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=xo(v0cCE)F%fF
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
.KJ*qmY(O \] 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星`tbW!O
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙.C/J D8RM Z+D
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書4\P2s|c&q8\0u
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層#b.U tu+_ y,y
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:? P;fz#qJ _
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote] D F Q(m ev _
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
6Pb'[5Toh 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:7K1G#S4_[,h*P7j Q

X4M/`'sy;R"e!h-O 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
1?ir0oE#O7wd 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
m"xW0X&yHIP 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁be'G+}p @
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
1u+Z6mW!a 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高"_"\%DE i!Y
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
Gmn-}K3LN 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
VX;O'L2ma{ 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM: s[!JPU

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] x/N&[6k-J HW_
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
?_1Pqv']P3V 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
P6E ];K$D\}fm(s 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星A1ga5l'tgqlfv
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙J&j&G1W)y hr@6K\K
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書%Z S?-_+P(e;g@
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層KFsqe!^b
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote])Gf`!H#AX$]#Lx^
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用運動是很好的例子:D
WKd4Uq | 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.^A3zzy}Q ESKa
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,t1m5?/Lg \&NY}
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..*FZ6c1d'I7s"N4yJ

i"F| {fr/q/e&Z1?u 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力Bi#@mm7jw0M
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...n7A'v{j0s+q |o

z\+jQ.N L;ZlnH` 這題目矛盾的地方是:M@z1t:wxP
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
/y&O|D Lo.B7N 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
wWV?;lb+Z 這題目矛盾的地方是:wqmQh9}A
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
3^IvQ"Gs(|[ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]fL o/c"WL"O
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野9l-j |M|` C
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層!b+um+C![ I
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
T*v~ gcDD1p#C 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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,B'sa _a 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
#V9jK ?1W.F [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
+Z` ?-MWI$a8E [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
:bhx-k7^ [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]a {8K,p&nj^

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.F;_!}fH&T'Tjuf
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
,A0T4f:S^U+xL If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.*j(fVt ^4o9d#s5oO5y
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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a P6k7Ty&l 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
}Z:SS;z!YiE(I7Aj 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地S#|h-G%Fr\Nt
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人:p_s^Vn/\+C
一日付出 24 小時去溫
xz3Ad4mZ 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:Z O`D e}
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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!Z?TfY Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
cGqw D+|5E everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
`;a]ak0W$l5F but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
i"kjIK%R 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
1\)wSDw^2g+~ It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed `lf.Y`v
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力(g [&`i;cK2c
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力$f}/l!l.f:F5i5X:Q
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifepr6lT+z;SgI&Vy
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
+PD8b._.bz Q2Zb 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
*i)J} c bh 只要肯 ... [/quote]b I0_O-z6bK \?T8h2_1|
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM: D)y1nT|h g"M UA
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noe"](N'y0^e
只要肯 ... [/quote](B0Q(ZPnuzB6]

Uh W_2` 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功r.?`'syN6iSZw
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
z$R^#~BX 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,xL#R1x O&NSx8p
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
Zx*T A"vXMN~ ^S 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
6D*o&M$w)j iM;D)A2j 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在[hU,DHQn
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 9Gb h\ Y^

hjNyh a2c 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。&QDN/\@1N
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
j-}Qz-d8i S~ 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現8` _ vG(L6UZ"p
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
zn$uV:t+oW"m%gv-[0a 去左邊?
Qaz9k h jX:y"n)P 當年聯既沙柏3|5T$K|2Y;EW7o
係最佳年輕球員
Fm#Xr$\1dbf 之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係:| u7t~f!M fj
有天份但係冇好運
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否7[ Uh%u JA5|0|
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MQS~Y Da tc 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
eQJ7Z!q 至少
]*l&]#~"w9WUH?G 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
V;`h ~-`Lk 而且
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J5KZ K%Pw#NB 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
y&`n7H_:v,~ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人ILy)i| E\(T?
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
5nE/?z"OU 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
h!@ A9oTrL4@#i W 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?
{W#nY R4] He took drugs..
:tL{/^u~!d^E(p then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
^KOIo2oW4H right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
D`#z*h$];t well, Lee Sharpe?;D4fx}w4L
He took drugs..
u"S ~:m)x+KU[ then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....6d r*ann8G7Mj
right?! [/quote]
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'Fc }H `!^xcB 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsRV.j2]*O Z
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..Ih,o&AC^
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
|1}T N9t.A 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] F dwfo;FKF

;L G9S?#oco(a [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…tZps`R L`[ Y+z
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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Pw$R4i2T _/s$f 節錄自我Organisational Behaviour 講師:)
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