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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
d'Bp W(z9z_ 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:v!L,Gk DE~ k!]*e0X7z
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是1MjQ.GEhK$H'i^
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? R\O*g^RR)P7z
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a].SVW da 希望大家討論下, 分享下: P}yc"[ x6pEa
你覺得邊樣重要?
Dy9r:H*M.j*}v;H 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,9^*B&}k0u5Y5cL9h
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
(i.M+c i:md$\ c 有無成功/失敗既例子?
!z1etP+GXJ(w*J 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?-N9v7_{;ZQ4}

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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ cR'FD-s*F4I
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~h{ OCeiv w)H*n
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
-ms!U:^ T'm#lk` J 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
#I1K%aU ?d%X 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~Z4]:M Uy/v C8U+PK
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
/u;M3J}k;{b 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
%BV8P$?q?&y 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
aB0~m.]S4E 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星)vfMeS ~?{M:x
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
Ix.k7ttDl 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
W!nQ b/q 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層T"nws:XJ
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
8bOsjYS9B-v F 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]J VY.tvN
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
7VW"[ z^o]!X 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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`%q$GNP J6vS 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
1gVPXjhz0i 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]dSl9I2Cc#D j
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 @s K SH!q'n
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
[)G4`2l,] 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低N#r:IPd FU l
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高#wp:nd$mO?:yM7f3m
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
)N$|Ft:w@ a g9y8G@ 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
2n"o;V3e[#]k _8~.~ cQ 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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1dbXfk 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
M0g4lP4T| 咁又係~~
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
Q:Z:E,GG&q r:R~ 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
+k%M\(I Q 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
l [x z|;?{+j 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
s |0UH:yMD 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書 hUaEZ
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
-P7m3g m)aSEZ8i9fB"e 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]cJ ^ c-Pj f || G
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用運動是很好的例子:DYD6ze1b@ }i3Bso
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
]T'}eQo-r2as 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
/u^,Sl6AD 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力 C{'Wo P/y
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...,^2@fZ*|8a i
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這題目矛盾的地方是:`8Rk@d@&},S
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力Fg!CQ|sc)G3cZ
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:Q]__FE^D
這題目矛盾的地方是:
&ja+bw@'jK 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力)H$QV0Fo r:y#X
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]c e#tuO*Dh-tjL

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3w2Hk,@([ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
2FI {t:jc M TL 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:|o(Cb eu
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We1Jnf`t(w 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]"rV Y"K e r R(|%hwd~
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.*M%FE8~p;`6w
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
FLG4@q)e If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
M$F9FtDg6me G em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地yf ?O-[Ek"U

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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:m z2q-G N%k c?3a
聰明重要,b x5WHw(nX#z
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童uaLgb2?
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
*JJ\U5\_)E'W everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.0{!D+jzmI)e
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
)u,cg i-b1kKig 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? NoLS?A3d\ P
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed,mR!\S+XW;\@r:_
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力gU ILP
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力-I9_2c z0T(V3fMc
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life fwJz#d"Q
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:$c%`g5H'S6Z
只要有天份就唔需要努力? NoV$i2NMZK5eFl8]uZ
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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&E9Z!S1J0W I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:#xn}E3B[
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
{.z5D*n*m,p 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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Ud;fY U c[ r;t 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功k m_*f.M6E[T
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
/X'UY7O r8y;@ 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,T'b c'U+R-f
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次(Y'Tq@{R
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
%zi-sY7M}~ 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
L^5Wbv9M 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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pctMc!V%T a 《傷仲永》 4k4q'US:{JZ4Q8{
金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 m"e5in6Mqb
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。wf P"H:UN3v;k

)v0m$J;W#DGVk 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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/el7_s*f#b 書解:
A.@q;I~*{.{ 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
T4cvw"b,U"qIb 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
c8QK\"w 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱 p2Y/bc.r q$rq;Fm
去左邊?
ADY?5n3N*|9P 當年聯既沙柏
N"cQfIu,H{#G 係最佳年輕球員#W-H$_ VPQ
之後又點呢?%Y r%ZvFP~

*U*pJe~ 小弟想講既係ewLS)E
有天份但係冇好運
/e7h6y%N.H&EDG)U9z6l 都係死....../?Zu \W](D
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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"X*GA0MW)F"I\ 小弟覺得天份緊要一點 _I^ Q/P:RVYSU
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%x/t;n+D)b.lne 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
`x Z,|2z,Ee6w 而且
t,x%Ups;W2B9H 其實好多時yk8N;[eW(y l
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
w.?SFZ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
F"D3V z@Mh 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17: v ]UA2k0Ct
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻y%|n3JiC2^ |9s
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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He took drugs..:Y L]^b!xC
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....Zu1XvAz z+`xv
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:e"b9bpTFn CP#C
well, Lee Sharpe?
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.S,kT8M%}!B3@N then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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Uk:KtKd:N [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..,V2sk7u&d&C
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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5}&_r-y1Di:r.p N/J c [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
V'P HBJ 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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T(e/Z8d-U [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…B8PC Wo
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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