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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力 e0G%mY0O@;b,O
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙N3DS"RN!aK q
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大家覺得:z%KU oW4VI
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是0Y"J?oWS[ TH7G
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?![|lF4w kd

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希望大家討論下, 分享下::{Rc\%l,C*k
你覺得邊樣重要?
(q8`&zc s AP7P8yc-i 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
#ob D;zw"R 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
wN[-Ch4z6hM4n \ 有無成功/失敗既例子?
X5se"a4L W;gS%h 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?"BUmOu Q0Z c'd:o

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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~ U"jn9`!vJNq"eB
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~Z2m1K#^{4W7l$A)s
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
)cP!DH4[{/M];S3q9m:{ 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
5D\ `0j6\I2w?7~ 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~!a4Bv:kQ/po.G.~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
1[ lO6c nDf!EY 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.="a2Y*[,w:O)~
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
iG-Ct%` 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星E g^&s%gL
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
\9w3oYh0kxE 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書naUH.u)rZ5Rx
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層VLKL2[6\_`
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM: k&d"K f"BSn`c
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]3bk1b!\ rH/Sw
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???9CL,A(j Nx1J'CC
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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&J"]_'g3q^*o 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
XGH-USa0~9NA 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]?;]v{_*Q2|PB cw

1P.m;W |,sD 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
!S2\A!_+z 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
+b/Q2[Fm 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低9U;u.c ~G p \
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
.D bD~Y"?Q&r fV 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高,yS,vMlLC8w
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的 t7f,X*G pX
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:pXS SuI{ J$A0a

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U*AZ:x)s-Z\ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]S,i2FH'cX@
咁又係~~
v,w*s0t?)m+~9F[ 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
"hz2F-us F/K;M 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
r&J_lns 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星QE TY,[+c
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙2Tm)X%L&j O
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書.h xC a&b_kL
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層6D ]9p%lI]z#w K |j
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:DeDe:q:^ B
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.5m,KK%dw?6Su0Z
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
#[#_2IzP 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力7w!s7_y e
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
o(e-k N?L 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
e0_(ixH`%g 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:bt I d+`m
這題目矛盾的地方是: }.e e,?jM8k;d'J
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
;n1` gG_U-b;A5VC0~ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] |3N#oT|$D;F1Hq
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
R ]g&qjU1h 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
~V-?:J:h0S,D|-L;w7t1Y w 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
Pa?o5h 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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!e5T9wE[ B5Qj 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野:x/mo*]!E
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]/q3S,c RE
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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8V n0J.Di'a [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]QmM;u\+dV`T3{

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important. w&V[2lK{
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
h$W,C6L Efc If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it. _nUwRgOb/`/w
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地]1X _.i_{,Sq
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
CC4~L'H4g O!k3A1A 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
1urKqQs ... [/quote]
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yu[Wx%w8g{ Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only$e%X0[3D/H`N
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
8S*fx"]2J/e but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Xl?_1iO.bU 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No-Ni Aem^ t Y
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
cK:[1m&},I(z-T People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
~ L'G!bX5h)H People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力o/EdHA u8}/i)r
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the lifejv Rrkq
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
4I.w$~4F+h#R_ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No)r\d},GBla.A7Z
只要肯 ... [/quote](qx5pU I/AM.Z1i|'Mo

L%~l+WN(Ht I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:.[2kyG;fg0h
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No \1X#IT)Y3i'|L
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
S? ijq.SX0r 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行c4z zJ*[ w5x(| o}M
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
DY'`w4\4c V 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次*lQ a}c]r*^w
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
-zeGd9R ^ 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在E!qDH o@r:J,f
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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2xfQC+V1t 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。)h"d)G-} g\HK

1F UF o9L L a 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 I vml.G
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
ap MD+L&f!k0` 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
,BP s`(DV 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
;MoV8~'wB5P 去左邊?
!X pb7m|L4e0U 當年聯既沙柏
`.^ I wd| 係最佳年輕球員
W"E I3u[~ 之後又點呢?
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](C9dhvv 小弟想講既係
M+[ j~ P;h"ko;e*^ 有天份但係冇好運
[R.u&j!c y0j 都係死......&B`"Jac7gA3s
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否Q o6a`'[:E] w-I

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小弟覺得天份緊要一點3K_6@z"Y
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧G` | U$x5T
而且
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
3V/aA(T%n 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人|3It-l\(~~0h]V
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:yJ&F {o
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
'm l]Z!a du 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?/h[(~)x;f`j
He took drugs..
,i {w*a1k*y then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....IG Xl8t;{c'Nu
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
#I&uRI"Rp1Q well, Lee Sharpe?
m&]'iG7k(Y(x He took drugs..*WX#[!Y @w&o1G;E[
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]jE~-B]LF}
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
8kWR$M;E)B?Tg? 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]|2C JWc6Vd7|
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
RP#vG4{p 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…7k1Z l MF4VW!\3i
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:Z.D-WW3K}2?5u
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