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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力U T6M2|;x(TO
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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x'Vv$H.|8G*R7c 大家覺得:
%hG$o'OQaI 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是 WpX&V6q'UZ` W
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?4I,f(CSM;n

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5eD-]w ey:B,L$Ef 希望大家討論下, 分享下:L7T+d(Hqvi`
你覺得邊樣重要?2IA)sx0oW$vI
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,4N0X(VE3Mke^
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?G9E"M,Y(huQ y
有無成功/失敗既例子?e(W8lk1N m
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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希望大家俾心機答:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~v#}qT9g
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~.W}A4k']a)M3y
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~AWsO A7t
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
/ex lLw)s 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
W%]5J W } d^/N n ^8c 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=D?u1},F.N3_
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
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?U5i$tm0Io Dg 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙DQ4q%\UN+P
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
4E3qtm-dK 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
T VL[#r1F 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:+j$T5F]l QgA3s
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
&Qv2G RvBK 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
W P)\ },QS 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???n H K5`v(]hI2F[ t
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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l:w~m ^FY7aC 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
e|4d;R9p!^ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁-g6kdc(yF5Q Pf
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
5@6l/YeJ Xq1i 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
O)`[d/s~$[ 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
-Xs)_)f^m;[R Y6^ 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
1W)H|-XJ] Uf:m 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平,^7v7q0S&Q$?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:,v|/[+Vc
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
!{0e,|5Wo!f ? Q 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦bY-}*Qt p8L!@
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星(bv~+V3i-t,O}
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
M0U\0r H;f~3e 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書1~d$hd?]F1V8S
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層9f!@K FE1]
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]fj3K+hy(rHXC$h

jm0M}(m%D6}B5f0S 用運動是很好的例子:D
V-rJd`~H 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc."pl&MBO~._x
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
BgG"qaCG0FDR:O2C 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力ikKF T+{
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...t YS@a f"hQ7\
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這題目矛盾的地方是:n-os"N/j
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
-Ftw)hW_1| 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
^ b} d)S+t 這題目矛盾的地方是::Zn6}&FmE3C,?O
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力| [cMGM B.E
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]1_4y(l[*VCa0pD
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野2Ez!vj*z4k
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
}$HW?? 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層XYqT.Q,tD
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:Rm(l5fjWVA

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n2i6?GC"B[n7G4Y 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]6R$t7xEMC0VS
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
#k4fT#M2W*|q_*@ [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
p7wH.NaM p but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.D:g0rMV(_V'`
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.HnbS fc8^a
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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N?vC[1~ PZ 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人*O_8r,lK
一日付出 24 小時去溫
'CKNQI*] 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
7G9a&s@1o;|P(| 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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0d1Fgv-J)?U Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
4Kjr g1l everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
C%`G#~gmX9_ but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No#Q7hj}%_v x0X
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No8j*s"]6B'z
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedL9R(S ]V#w9t t@
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力eB!Bi'k O!X
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力-w"o'a't(DF0j
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
dZT5zX7b 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:J)dw jSC[.V
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No*M Ua[/[7Mz,FQ
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
6d0q O/BZRO 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
:O&O-@G7UuGcT 只要肯 ... [/quote]/l7J] W A5^
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
f xs*X g6E 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行3}Nh-} N2ev$RBr0W.C@A
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
*[}7{/Ow5pJ o 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次@7E9T lbv
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
1G*l0Q ~6FX 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在%t,WFM r
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。"Xb|%r(y?.p/m;I
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
H]]%} }mu}L 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現MF \Ld
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
uL/C"K/U%a1s 去左邊?8V?k'h,Zspyt|
當年聯既沙柏
XI x#T a!{| v(|4p^/i 係最佳年輕球員 ^F8Hc2\+kf
之後又點呢?
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j0s7F+hGD:a 有天份但係冇好運!]~+u!~VXg1t
都係死......
6M'dpC8T a 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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d|7wv&FgoO 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
GmNMV!pN s9C*?] 而且
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2{X{}7}E 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
t,Ru0GkNyH 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
+L j5YQ'Z3N c 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
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0K KQ4K^\l then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
0T{'`/N+A Qu right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
/|;fP`}t6n$nz well, Lee Sharpe?"iNpA6p+m
He took drugs..
p7JFJG"_$oy? then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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y[\;h0PP)mH.T;Q 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs%xYdH3t A,KclU
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]X.iJ"I^4siv

;s:H@#](H#D(\V [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
XF K w;M+t"S 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]!E8LI6Af/P*x~ y
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街'@&Y O"Z}
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]1{&Q|&eN%z;F

tCp}8dW-i.y [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
(F;_6Cjv:^b#R)m 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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