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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力:B },Feka
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙6w4@#^:\L8P

/R/`9t6ZIXzgWt 大家覺得:2kd5x&|,nea2e{
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
u1A`5Qy/^s 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
Q0Cv!BL8U;kC 你覺得邊樣重要?
}(I|_kT 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,f:YXGIW
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?N#PjN-F nx9Xw
有無成功/失敗既例子?
:d-mza7aB T 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
"{E~~e.UKQ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
P'mW#\AVk8} 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~Q x7j0JTp&Qyh
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
{eYup[NH 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~ Y+iuj\4u8HeQ%I6h

/IcFrH H L 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~c Be1|+O
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=%W4TC`5YfZb
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
X"f U+yD(x8VR 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
w.s@:|#sm:q8K 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
V*|W/KW5k 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
V^0F^#c 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層kZN%l,D`
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:%T5zS_"B9p$f*GS
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
j$c| ~b _wu.ld 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
x E$S/? w| 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
"hzI:oP(O,b 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得9xF{Ku.qX*rY4A/YJ2u
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁$gg.d2e#D j{(?#P
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低(D!j*H;zD5cg
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
%K@c_ AU 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
%Q'J8ux W$]-Lw 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
(F Fm@8zt 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平^mi4o @'G;O3QY

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
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| Hs7lf9L J 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
z$P A(J;jk%t'T 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
jm0x8C%M 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星T~:r[BH
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
7\f}DZn&[,Q^ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
$E~4X s*i1\zv;x*h 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
s,Fd$z:m E 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]1`I7T'v1Aa'To

w g&c8z2H!D7o(q 用運動是很好的例子:Dv]"mg!f Tzy
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.w$t m&DxCb*w(Ss@e
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,`'|)C$j U&Vi7`h
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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9{&mo ^{0YJ 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
KV7J5^#i 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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x$SH[0v3\tK K 這題目矛盾的地方是:8_,j U^j x
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
2N`p%};N!I-E 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:#q9RQ'KQA[!w ?K
這題目矛盾的地方是:
]Qm,c7} 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力c2A A9e3@
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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]8es8tiH|jO 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層Z9`$VQ[D
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實&?6gj/P3F |xq+L
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野(D{R'ou:C6zF7bW'S
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
V3F5f4S#V'J$I [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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x!bH~6a'T [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], h&k:N\Gb(M%y7F
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
l&z2p4Q} but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
"UED/X(k)zCd3{w If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it. ~q3aSoz
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人C@"xFDX
一日付出 24 小時去溫
%c(V4M2X6W 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:6J'G5{x4[5V\
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... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? Noy)x] z9XJ4e
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
K0h7Q},Rx It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed3s!{C N)K-l,a
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
E|}YwZ People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
;] i(k.SNF'Z People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life6nB*h nbT&M
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
K K%Pfw0oqZ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No6RU&l#fC"oie7Y
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
(y(^XFhW ad+_ 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
~ W3Wj2By@ 只要肯 ... [/quote] |}T9q] D)N

|JhG:G B/i 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
0xS K1z:}JZ 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行]$] Wp p[~K
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
rtz+q8j;L@|T 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次,WAsODC$Q#|
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
-Q*vK/SJ? 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
1][zY3o&}6qXw 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理qP,`6~"E9d-g_

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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 A0T {} CE#B

yX_Zh3A 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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)H X-PtHgk6` 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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)J+b \t.t-djlh 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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@Y1c sS_ |qb 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻q0UU6O1C!i
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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去左邊?a2[QK Do$k
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係最佳年輕球員
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有天份但係冇好運
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有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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q1VK-\3Y5QZ 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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aNFn#Ry-^+}[p 其實好多時
f"uS;VY~L2@ 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才w}:q rd
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人hww:js S
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:_&F#q7`+J
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻Jdys/O5Z[
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]'q8H ^enz
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....P6x$`\9H:r5P`x
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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N E%UqK4}+p!V-N then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....+lB!p b gVW
right?! [/quote]%@.t0\ OG(r
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
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crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]C"yT"SX+{g4z
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
T1U5C,z)|2HC&D 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
[}-d6svA0C d%tZ 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] iy&J Fp k
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)So)a.WQ{-I.}.e 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:-~0?:M6O}{vV
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