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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力7`:e2^(D@O6k~
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙2R#ID/Uhn6A

*a8t F2q8X7U$rxm&s"PM 大家覺得:{5[!s9N5X9WS
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是i.~`E8D*h:P"N`3^0AY
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?*o3n0m] a#Cq f
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
X/{'r#n }'[,sH2v7Hp 你覺得邊樣重要?8]B3P1u`:v7F!s
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
Y g WF$y?+Wq*bL 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
q r%aBn Gs2ll 有無成功/失敗既例子?5[]X?2M!u3H
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
)e0dU| T(b VH 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~!iC8l#u#h7v
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~(|!} eJ5}4Pl
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
*oLUy dUfI 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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&F9W"~w#[ U!P$l$m 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~Dm^'A$V.f
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=})|)Gc9v0y7c3d
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦8rb2k n ]8S ~
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星^Q%PUHLH
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
x2pj]s5{!}qe 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
/E8r/Z Q|$gj;t5q#_+T 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層!STRL+Th
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
`0V*C3Ect5s 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote] R#C'p?5ZcY6p WN
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???-fz+K'^@5VX7Q
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:4i7l+G e8^~`m

"NO'k:~&S 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
AOu [LK 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
L(nMx8zF#R!IHd'\ 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁R)M Fu$[-S
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低2hu9@Q!be#{/E)}9_
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
1S E QW!v} J 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高6qJ_Wd ]Z+?7] l"r
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的Q5?0n9E&T{ _%X.l
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:FI3g3d vU

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@|UZ_2Q(U@ |J$K 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]Tb(VC/k0IK&Z
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM: FR6V*@8l Em~ S
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
'z }5U.t/|p 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
+x9b!RA+b R`5YM 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙od ~Cq-p3Q6]h0h
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書#K%d0L%W8I V R#e
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
MDcbv"rT 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]:\L/uV)F@,B(tP R
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用運動是很好的例子:D
D0[GN'U;|-KI }:g 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
/XNkUk$\Z\ 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
4LF3Ou;P%fl 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
nW9c _c CT 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...P h rje CtM`1e
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
NCcYB%C 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
H2EM0n)]ol6m&e d!q 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
\ n g(t1d*jC'y f 這題目矛盾的地方是:
9UEj0s1m9i 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力 Oy#u@W,Eg j(_&E
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]5z)F l/s&z(}

5` jp$fw1~N 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
?2II9^yKC 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層 keR$FX1O
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層.x$b-Mgm;no a
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實^F!c T0[/?

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野@s4pR}'c6N+v~9f
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]cXQ8T/A#p j
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]\,Z6LI{3?
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], o7x P!^7bd
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
4J`8F6\+c!T but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
"n^o|}IK6g(| ~5D If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it..DA V#h.@
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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8F0N0tHFk+~o 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
6kZ5U/]T u3T 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地,u;f&h:]0vk)pGb(w D1y

u t.FI8Zb 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
*c5u:`"g^Br 一日付出 24 小時去溫#M]@Xp
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:5hd4X@.B-Kui
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
6p9VJeG\ vl4F$y everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
9r%J^8h`9M but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
5E}3o]!a~M 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No N HF[3A
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
7F\M6cVh!n People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
2bQ8g~~ People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力z4~7~D^/L)}
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
?#z"Hmkw3};@7P3F 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
M,zG m\)d 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No?!w.^v hVZ
只要肯 ... [/quote]KO \R#@9A/D
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM: P;f }d-V8g|
只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nos;@sN.a
只要肯 ... [/quote]dP'f+JD(Cm'k

W1M;_(K9F6Q n 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
X*T:\dw3V"`*[ 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
t,pL0B"Y0Tyg 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,*](O \5S%A&Q/j
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次jG,I'nQ"l|Y
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
])}5th t;I] 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
/p,nb2_ h 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。h4S,GF m5q ~)v3V
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
'W7Y2q,Ja%FJ 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
+od)X-_dKL ~Q"P 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
d W.b.S!aAH]`)\,i-W 去左邊?XNpp'c-~Y^
當年聯既沙柏
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之後又點呢?
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z(G9zyez3w 小弟想講既係,ID5m1WP&L
有天份但係冇好運
7e$p!T+w-C+u+N 都係死......
g[%K7pD0L 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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:Ae@"_/u0D 同埋$McmR~hT!\
小弟覺得天份緊要一點#y6j&S4{Y2V)o
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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其實好多時
2]8|%fU:a ulx 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
M-r7~;w'o*cp 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人 {tsym:@K%^V d
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:a%\9Z#^p_`
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
x2p$K"?[jX 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]2w o'sH8u,KU8z

0uR9[;p*@,J well, Lee Sharpe?iT1~!lf~
He took drugs..
}.i;x#PF r#[z then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career..... l4r;Ytj
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:F5FC.@?M'{!R
well, Lee Sharpe?c2D0IW/TqHt
He took drugs..y*^'@"B l4x(k
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]/@r!v$zx|"s
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
i#H1z qtq 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color],O d r)FK-BIuP
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
Q8Ef2|@ }zi 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
O$d nU6]BZ g,^ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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