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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
k|!c[#V 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:
0{n7Pt#s!g] 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
6r8]O#\3F+M3c?!_ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
_%r9tc/c hU 你覺得邊樣重要?
j"J"^8_ x H;tR 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
LN(JP0k$IMk9Q 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?SV7aQr7h
有無成功/失敗既例子?
E0]P3Z:Gm 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?8L.t)k.e N+HA)f

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IFyZ~h&Vqw2r.a\ 希望大家俾心機答:D-[S)v j2Y!S
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D{I_*\%~e/{'h^J$L
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~?&n;tQ*L
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~+ur ],D(V+c
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~E,`;V"z!T@s
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
q? F3j!K sZ 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~K"C:]i8u4b1@'p cJ\
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~_.[n oD.z*}8_7O5@
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=k!J7Ky ~8K[S
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦nS%Sq~bD
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
W B2L4u%p%hfK 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙tw F E `@`
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書{ o$a0a^2FWq-d
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層!] Fi)xG&J-BQH'k
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:1S3i+s,r9dOA1r W4_
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]IeZ%Nef8A1l
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
({|1V)yrKa(P;w 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
.eA7u\\|se6_r 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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"NAzeS7b 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
"G Y0]-Y7i fJ)l 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
9q X,x:iv^3o&J 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低)]5XgX5\
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
;\/ioqL8D(gY 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高2L6w,eR5hT4Y
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
Cu:Q+A{3] 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:.\ F~h,jrk A
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I.i8mi;fJ!n*f5Tz-cn 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]G:b4sp.c"` b
咁又係~~A@k'ra){7o}
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:9_'?||BU;}+pdD&Q
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
t%Q^!T&\I 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
0oQ$Kq y8oDt` 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙M*C1j0[7x[K L D
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
ez%L,W^9r%i-{+E0Lu2j 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層v/|5l fw JUO
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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5`l.m"v4?A$| vt+z%p 用運動是很好的例子:D
pp](lC`? 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
.rw)_GZ r(vG(K 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,R!^fJ;uF.E3U-[
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..sC"i#QW+V7cf
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力 _W Bf-P3}9\y
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...~ ~ M+Tm8p }

"t\P J+T([n:B 這題目矛盾的地方是:7gF&_s c!j6y:I'w(h
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
5EI&[iz/{&r4_ 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:3g,C%m4f^[
這題目矛盾的地方是:
*[+~#q[y 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
;Cyz'Vz8|A6a s 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote] De!g'C ]&f Z

*mW RD t5mK 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野 B4Y s/~6H&W
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
i t#N9[pL%@ RK_ 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層O3Ym qa*| lE
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:/x6da`$Z _3n*@

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Ivh8d D9} 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
j\v Av&K"b [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
)X3K!q$KL gz,BLK [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote],]1_z%b?,Tv
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c(o6Ff+R1S [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]G@Li7W!m;f

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
o"Sc$V)nL Q/XR but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
j0[jhN v#av If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
n/E M7m v em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要7?Gry#S h(@

*H a#L"h!Klt0^ 世界各地個 d 天才兒童sW6j1H PR k;OP
睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地a.e|Prak
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人!MXG"um2y.~U
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]ZhC2x)r:~Y 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
E6z!Mu.^&o {TN[^$O 聰明重要:w5@3ss-m/l

VC9].i Ki.G(x:y 世界各地個 d 天才兒童3E ^t(}P4p A
... [/quote]
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
4x7X j?%b3Mx,co+l everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society. ]ftaP$_L.B
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
)z@edl$x s{_ 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
y{!I$K![4n?)gn It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed@}|/N[.fji
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力VN_ZuT2xAH
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力{:d$ZCV
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life2@E4X F(OO
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
n^5Ezc g5k:Y 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
qWpa"x u 只要肯 ... [/quote]9ur3t6G f ^/a%Ad
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:$ZK6XfNO1l
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No5VZU&S!V
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功(q;y;~O ~
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行3fXU c[6^}*kl5o1Q
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,%l({u&_6R$Ey.r+a
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
o6a6?p+I 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
\ Kf\1u3l 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
5ga7O#D.L2Zf 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理@Wu1es-T
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《傷仲永》 ,TB:s vF.U
金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。
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(rB/L^)mZa,n/p:Y 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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G0y(Mo:k3BWV 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?}2Yy!}'{_+r0G
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!W;jwE J-p M 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻0F,@0[C!a#Wfz
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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&P;|3@BA&B(Y+} 去左邊?
P!jmf E;fM;G 當年聯既沙柏
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之後又點呢?
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有天份但係冇好運|y$I@ yh%j[
都係死......;eH [wT$n
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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同埋
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧f? Aj]Z&{(}m9L
而且
gQ:Djd| 其實好多時
Z4Fo!Ru#Zr[\;Y 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
9S _ ~R$F-z3v%e 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
o ?3p S(x["I'WY 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
8_*mceBNZfa 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
a&L1yf%Eo 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]QHG%t+C8C[
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well, Lee Sharpe?
AZ\nJ;LI#{J8z He took drugs..
d%J.N/sb}hqT then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
f|z'm8S6R right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:z/f9l] o4Q~,~
well, Lee Sharpe? Ce7b:fY j)x
He took drugs..
"Q$W p[a"S'A5IX6T then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
DmvJu)Cvj^ right?! [/quote]
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs0Qdfq+Y7v]
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color] ~ d?z o}
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
jvy%j&reG m#B(Su 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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Q4g4x\3Mo3aN1|_ [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
?$hJ"V7eg6x!~O^b!K 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
-AYdCY8|bn0P 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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