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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力[G0{(sq)m/P0] Q
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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S5w&e)Z3Z(Q,m1B 大家覺得:
n7P/IN+gT;Y 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
4E:xeUq 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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y&k/| mL*~#g 希望大家討論下, 分享下:h,S*Y*D!ZDC
你覺得邊樣重要?1]([z/?$}9_9_9o)q
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
N;Pt7Rd 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
0` ~)C ];Ur-Vr:Y p 有無成功/失敗既例子?w!T!kY#f9{R;l,o
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?da(G[!mQ
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希望大家俾心機答:D}K:opLc5_c
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D}aC J;m

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~#e6h}!z~8zcl Pn
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
/@y.Ai.c1F 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
+G5\RD7m R 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
R K{K*~)C#z*Js 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~1R*Ye:vc%T2{,lw
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
G0p.D,C{ 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
bz/\Rj2E j'Q a 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星.hN.}Mf%s
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
0RS;F!SC3~0G? ~O 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
7[f8rQ7y gE%G7@ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層"d7{-D+A3x1mq
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
(J"[8Y1Y k4A l I 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
j/}a`I#jZ$E;T 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???.b8U+a x2G5J
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:/UynW'Y n
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???1ai)X#QP i8VT#K
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]9W%Rl p8d D}8Y:l-N4l

'ZwD M#r3j.{ 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
PT)f4EPD 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁N:vtw,K^'ES
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
q5R4]VR/N;V|4x 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
(Syu M7J)a B}6H!o7x 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高OFu7V!Q$}^ l
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
c8o0haF 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平F _R8Rj uO _+h(C^

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:'QpQ$uw2mVz"\

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]0{'G6[m~:oP+?
咁又係~~
&V*s|E-BZN1s C#f 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:6EH0T [C8G8~1o7yb
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
W#Vg2D i/|D;t%Z 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星^/zjt/?yi X
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
;G-Di9^7{%Q] 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
%U V\"KW-}_Od 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
;p{V-h yE 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote][email protected]qP&|1|W
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用運動是很好的例子:Dc7|gHra8w-CsA
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.'|;^'\D7a!u vA
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,wfc$kSTj"r
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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0h9x-Z7wn 而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
q U oI'm%? l? ~ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
sD?j&h 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力2F C,oz$Yv"Y/{4Y
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
v$H.pd^] ?K7i? 這題目矛盾的地方是:
B_:G3A^sS 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力M8DGW` `m8wg
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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L+Qq.q O-~3{N i^ 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
Q&Z?k)Gx/o2T 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
/A"[.A)JX7W 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
1u&WIT:u0P g 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實rMB XXD:]`n;^+D,|

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:jz2F3{3j|~ X3Sd

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ZM@ ~3h1Pf/W 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
)DR,v-j&S/KH [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
a-s/X l[#L8d[ [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]&JwTo,S9a2_ d

MKX%Yg@*uwj [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], @x2a/UZdY8d'T|
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]]%vK'w?r9ic0U Tqf

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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.&ane9{$e4i$ag
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
6P&Ij%w$G If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.'l3["\0y { j@c f
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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[s-{)gu2n#}5c/n 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
(E!]cAi]e 一日付出 24 小時去溫 p'Y }SJ;f4x
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:*N\u`6B(e
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x:_2HZeH&D+Np]f 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyG1s$u;bSu
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society. i-GG*r^
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
8K.ys1?.ND 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? Noix9q9OY!h
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed2UE_+h'e!vm+?.]7V
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力)t@g}B6w L
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力.WWnY/O
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life tFm'N^BLf N
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52: a QamY\*iw3|
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
k M)S%AjCF4x 只要肯 ... [/quote]} }%I'I U

4q;SuP ?(Ab emwV I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
#U f`3Z1|8y 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
N@;A2Y/t-x;R#qK)C X6Ve 只要肯 ... [/quote]J YEW-Z8SA
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
Hm"g:d6T\a 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行KGc8pHcO#g
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
i E J(v;o ]oa,t 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
h b`#bx#Y 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
n,P~u!K P#I 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在K.K\!H2LV G7e VU6fe
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理g%dVd:sC'DL

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7^ nPW D;e)t 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 4Fk6Hng'^l }
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。v |?7K Q-bi

fQNf {.M-xO$U 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻S'P+Fu `2h ` H'v
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
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去左邊?Cg!N0zK{
當年聯既沙柏
@/U p:L#V1dRA 係最佳年輕球員X#N^5f3Y9\
之後又點呢? Ie IMC5k
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小弟想講既係
V6G/jklW 有天份但係冇好運
#L.P hfJ:Wtm 都係死...... E8xqI:X-M7F
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否+A!Ddd8tb8rD.x

pq]8{9mJH 同埋
` k'ek"IP4O:u 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
\@~ H*i(a gYs K8F 至少|+D x B{!?%v6Mt
有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧 A6z%["H?-F aT!_
而且$mDw!j7U+nM&p
其實好多時o:g V$Nq,o!BQ
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才SsKfZ l
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人1IIH&v_$F0y3Y
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
5mC%P'i(S 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻)Q{bgx[
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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well, Lee Sharpe?p.@t'Sbjv%Ox
He took drugs..
?.F+n2J$H then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....D"TEG0O/Th5D8}
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:3@S'q.^3~:p3tuL)O$}
well, Lee Sharpe?S%o8C [`u$MG
He took drugs..%eD+F3KOz C9n _%p
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
~1w n9k.pk 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]0{+s"?RW
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街(GcFs(S2XIb
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] y9o!zq[f'FF/d
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
/V |+xS ]"P1M X 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:,nPZ)U3J6@Q-C

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