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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力A.f^!E#R(kt
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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6oZ\)^'s?*w BAL 大家覺得:
)vsG)\ r#]9{ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是j|1Q/K _ c }1v]
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?1buU4kM?
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:4u,x+NXx\
你覺得邊樣重要?
me kE.T^kcgX%r 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
&e%K:~ccxi lj3~ e 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
_c0m N']$rE/z 有無成功/失敗既例子?
1hz,]3Jq G8{HN 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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:HF _"m c+zC*d/@sc| 希望大家俾心機答:D
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B4|6A(w(C(?k2n)Y't 同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:Dq&T:\R)D l)r:?uP
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5^VW'V;|2V!c7\#R *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~^`;GE f5H,nn y
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~P%A eo}L[i~U
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~s#@N7F(` l nT
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~?4XM!u/VH]
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~cj/m P:S&m

-]4T@3B,{8PLT}#Z7lJ 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
(vmMj5MDl1\ 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.= [ dh$W `q
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
p(\ntCX D)}{0O 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星'}s ?rA
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙(j8W;UH.S%n8T&yi1K&S
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書yt:QG ~?!r'd
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層4S4u-N%t'mU)|o,f
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:;p VS\}*F5R
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
~(^3ruuZr 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
[2j U!BcpP 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:Fe i Lhw
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???.KHX*q3b
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]4Q6QY I}(@1x

,A C:at2O1b 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得~ LB2K(?%s7en
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁]0E4RG7fn
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
TB D5E%~ ^ 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
{0cd:N7Y$c9m)oz 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高Oe)W/l+xd/p!N
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
.{n0Q | E/UV)} 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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cJJ~R#[|Z0A 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
YGX;g8yF/g!KP2N2| 咁又係~~{Edi5W_]-tf
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:J d v)WG'U@
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 q*Kk2R}8l v$G
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
zk8ui%|3xv 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
7H#G }+Jl4|M&r4xg 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
E(bJ.tM:C 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層:cd;W6T1~ R9Y9t f
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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用運動是很好的例子:D
,H[/EC fSV x 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc./cq)t;_:q"m4Z {,\
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,*l*g/w7Q z ?
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
E4vY|/B"|4@ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...4PU(G$L T&b
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
[email protected](e_/?-MD/j 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
$dI W kE/^0DT 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
mK)y!ZD 這題目矛盾的地方是:2HE C bH/d!pS
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
["YMUO-X 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]su&L!kX+v5J%]

O4G!cYok9B 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
3UnHk k8E.GA 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層\u7{ K*Q Qh
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層R'mtOr4cQq.H4j]
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實3Y `)r@7MM1@(Zx

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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:a7](r/Pa dP

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:u L,h"nb 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野P7CYogtvL
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
5d#a/qd'C2WlS9|)M-l!VKj [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote] |XEv*I l&SzL

+m)\\vP{;[)k G [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
4?J"WhD3k%MN-W [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color] x,C1@Z)?2i4lp
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.I9Jj8?t],P8Fv
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
-sA%jEL~,iK+I If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
)~c_H(}Iw2Bw!` em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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7M9KX0ZC\R:x 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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/t^RfQ 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
Ja9m HT(r 聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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E+ss2JSI|_S Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only$Z:g3iv1~s(q
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
#^3o9cl2[7J c-_!C but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No8ey{W sl
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
!G4q$M}T6e)j0n5k It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
+W x^7Zf3} People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力-[U7i(Q.a8` f
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力t(U6W$V j$C:I/ru
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
R }sW~? 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:v:R4}(M6Y1pX1Y p \
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No)}'o?7Ad L4X4G
只要肯 ... [/quote]ER~ jgz#D)f?'t
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
`1?(o0jK EQ$s1O 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No1j1Xs6]|J
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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$`+XVsH|,J 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
&?[Hdz+g x#s+p 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行|Um P d"i \mbo fc
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
"c[@8s4Yp 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
dD&]i[0P k` 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍
p+e4moY&SzPe 所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在4T9\~+m:B7w
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理 |S@;PR(V,ln$|

Rl"E gAK%F#AN"w~;b 《傷仲永》
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x)\ c5Gt:j0G r 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 .`J UA)p nn;G*m

Y?Hf O5m rh:~H 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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,\:g?Cq\u 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
$pj+^["` {r\ 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
1a/kZ)C8w:B 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
%Dk.H(yD?*X| l 去左邊?
Gdu[^"}b^ 當年聯既沙柏
cR.x o-`$J 係最佳年輕球員 F [XAa&[ R.I
之後又點呢?
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小弟想講既係iy)V9h4kv
有天份但係冇好運m]_ R5f1g9f
都係死......*B^)Q+Y2U^T-k
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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lEz1hN x5f.Q 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
4_-D/az3fx ? 至少
X#Da([T7r 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
S1w;TDM#[&XNh 而且
%}%Z.B-X,v 其實好多時
0i'S#H(d$_^]LKz q u@ 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
8H \2}-x)~cX3m4H 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人"\ G7` CC'q$Q
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:W6M S|{8kn6_
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻F0u Cx#RWW;U
年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]*]H8r2p R:|%F^1gz
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well, Lee Sharpe?
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2~G.uy aU PK%G then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....;JQWu5d{w
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
k4gD6~ q z&@j?F well, Lee Sharpe?7JFHg Fth"w:bS
He took drugs..
q+[2_-r r3`5v;c then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....zG#cu([Qp
right?! [/quote]#c#DUa+?C}&]t
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
V*j-`U*]mGp)xK} 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color](d4G2ltzeG
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[color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..8E$g |'ckT!A
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
Y:};U(\9L 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color] W3W l(fJ7I_

t-dj2HR m^G [color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
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