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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力Hc5{nF7|6|
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙
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大家覺得:H7xf(WsR8e!\
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是 `6`\O#T)y/y%m(M
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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4\0m B&FrV:D7l 希望大家討論下, 分享下: jIgl!yV|T
你覺得邊樣重要?9w{8H})m
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
/Mu$^A!Nr 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
Brc+UG.@ n$|2jh 有無成功/失敗既例子?3A/b M%mnrP!D
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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M-nqD)Qd%G *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D c3E3oD_s:y&zK

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
P-j%vrr-bW3g 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
"kc$u9O,`i 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~O(i2|d Pg-oyQ4g1g%C
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
@3M_V^x|7B 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~$\\g9A+ym"n
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而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~p ^h@T1G7g@EM
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
5R%[yc^mG 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦%N E5yW!I wrO
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
XahH+F 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
.Xj,t:Q[ 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書:V+v.r2ojA9Y(D
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層*i,P:|F.Q
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:k!y_~(C1Y%B
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
Z$F!Be"]Og 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩????yH%v~D`E6U
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
CSQj*Ad 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]P9Jo"i*S,O(_W J8x

p6| g'uC 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
MUu\ Q ] 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
|5z#P9J[ 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低
\.T2P a v\3I 只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
8\[!a6U l$QYj-i 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高_6~O3R*D8@BP
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的8y2f:GDo;]hg6S{
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平,jP0yGlY"_'L
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:(D3v K@(n5N;hu-_

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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]"n(PcoG9}
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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
@,f2EBG-m 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦 e;xL)B q F;~
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
8j4`'N Dnf&{ 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙3@J0J }Nf:bxJk0i
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
9o\vN!ry[ 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 K!gJ+F`]uN
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]
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wr7iJf4k;Mg9S 用運動是很好的例子:DPu&nEq#LF
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc. q#kKOt!^2h{
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
jTE}V~QQ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..]hP*wX&I [
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
"un+lC%o#p9S0U7u 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
YF5e:eb.t }Cf a ]6s~ 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力 |;r!YG}*A,^)E4tE
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
R6|,~F.dNs*jw 這題目矛盾的地方是:Xwdrfy
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力"N,h!K8u&f;j#f8l{&R
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]0JnU{T
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
Y`,f*{0p;vF 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實{L C1{!Rra7iA
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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E$Y|9U:UD/G 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野h:n#O,LsbHO X,A
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
OA2wON:rC [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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!K;_S?U#v!ud{;d [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
*w3Y6r.p @/zOcM but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
c-Z }"k#O*E K If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.k9U?3^8fh c
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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"c5gL [5x'|N 可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
:Ya#~q;z-W#k 聰明重要
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
N LH;E d 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No ?-JV7iM0pK
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successedbq [ }{ ZJ
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
U{I^2?yF QCt People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力
F}7],H#i!pYh;[ People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life#\9qd ~f+e4b J/J h!@[
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
z x:rmo 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
u-K,_!a,{ vF'v 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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Of&g/ywiy I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:-T*]"fsm%zB6Yq
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No2kFq.h%m"D T8q
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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c*NW.rPp(sv 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
?.M6l%g!nzz5Wm 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
n)FrI*E e 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,!kBfPN+YzVv
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
b6a,i(G!k.l 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍w {F5G6[6s)A H
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
:L+h%FCYY)VP(_6Q 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理Y9n"xRbAF bn7Kc

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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 )`BCYT%[/Y9o Z
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?B&FFI&}

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t NC4K*X'b$} b]L 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻lRiM Lg
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現D3qZy+e;W V'I
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
/@:t o6`!^7|i 去左邊?:]*D3A WY-?2aH
當年聯既沙柏
f(X&kvI,S e6M 係最佳年輕球員yD hk-NH
之後又點呢?
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M?LPT 有天份但係冇好運7IHg9f5Cw\
都係死......UB0H3@-FLO"_
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否Fp/T$H hl&j
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
5g7f9^ r_2?NX/` 而且
7N]\0ra3y9\/Cb 其實好多時
F'FO;E4S O+n 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才!B3h+q'y4cmP9Uw
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
&B5w%ONP1j I 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:9c4u+oVebE
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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2V!}i~P$p+a:^O well, Lee Sharpe?
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uYaU;Fq*I,V then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....YOT;bn*{/K,w e
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
&F@R%D*[A+gRv well, Lee Sharpe?
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsynW:s;{
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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4j{/}4OPC [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..8D ht u,Rj#d5F!f
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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V+W6u1[X%Q,Iv}*N$n [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
.D(]`$D~0vp*X:b 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
Z*k t0@G,ZKq 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:@UY7f!}(}V4Z

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