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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力ykv'_ C6K,c_
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙wS0[$q _l

_4a*VQrp2`m3u 大家覺得:_1@-x,[\_Z1[+B
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是l3K:B*t2W*W%}_D
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? I5I6w8YgVs/K

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
3H~E'i(Tg!?+@%@ 你覺得邊樣重要?1e#sWF2G
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,O R/X'r0Y!~:e
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? gQO1r"v
有無成功/失敗既例子?
3Hy.q(BD:n*l 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?(`%lg%g-w)B9^

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
L7ZSi?W!G 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
0u{_uA6lh 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
j]6u%q;p\U 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
$z1E\;PJ3t 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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%_e$K~9Wy 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
S3pc&_a"M hY 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=

s%~3k'aj6\Oq 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦8^M
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或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星\.JPE1y.X;Q{
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
{I7g`)G!Y9x4U-L 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
P3|Wa'?G8d.\$wA+X 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
d'P8I2jrf |I+[:d 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
F"ga8Ifbw 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]*]8Y0I%jFC m
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
)Ez#K%k:_p(r7x 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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yC9l$N {t? 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
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:I ^HI$MS7[ w)} 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低C}` ~$xZ(k!]zZWP
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
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其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的N5UHY0l
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] tmzFi8FaH
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
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d 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
-a0|!h9Z-hh 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星x"ywk-wB;YU
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙XdA+V9o4m
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
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用運動是很好的例子:D\ n h*oi
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
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同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
Q_si? N 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
y7Xv,t;hlt;f 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
z0Yz\,q!WT 這題目矛盾的地方是:&fL'R5p;{
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力D?@$]1m MS'F
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層'xL3J(M@6m7]s
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層._@o%J(d
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:6~$X/y ka-JO
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$Yc+}-zRv [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
}Ko$b;fq0C1P.v [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]op*V6S#n#M

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[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
xW:P7Z+d but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.\s
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If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
;{Gp8V's\!vZ{+o#]*a em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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9C5s6wh/wa 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:4iCf ^)f
聰明重要
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iQh4R8{9V 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
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but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No(l,Xp\](m UX+QzA
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
9|'x.Ti+k| It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed ]-O-l4]%K
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力n"c%fW{5UUx
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力'i znsJVh|^Z
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life#XuI}-N'@~4|P
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
.W!Y9G5g m9e 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
U~,ng9@ w {7A7p"| S 只要肯 ... [/quote]f"p}9m+lK)Zs/W

8w4^b3p&Hlb I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:]0huq5NLO F
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
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;i}Mdy 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功'}b8^|o;j
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行"[w/V3\R \Bq+P"A
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
d~;qN4Y8}Jh 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次3]d CAR)v
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍m#o,dQA Q})eYQ
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在%b1a+r3] y'e8t/TF)U
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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*aj'N~ R'd+[9h 予聞之也久。明道中，從先人還家，于舅家見之，十二三矣，令作詩，不能稱前時之聞。
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L:ghuD~)z 王子曰：仲永之通悟，受之天也。其受之人也，賢于材人遠矣！卒之為眾人，則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也，如此其賢也；不受之人，且為眾人；今夫不受之天，固眾人，又不受之人，得為眾人而已邪？MO7U#uSv

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aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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J;Q6p4|6Q%L8b3c-{y 有天份但係冇好運
9b%n2B%\.\[u 都係死......3bzNRT
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
-r$k~H1R'? 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:%S5N!A
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then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....@Hk[~-k1c `
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
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crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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|(M O,Al.b~)^?I [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
:U8SbCt{ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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&Z SM\7|3C8`i^ [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
*_8g(n%|{$Y8E.D+]:] 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
9LW lj$ILq+STm'_ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:}w!U/`4F
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