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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力HC1qh\O N(a
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙 W/jm,x0B1]&`
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&V1i*n:o i_,E 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
Wp,x,a| u%B`G 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?
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i tz#G"V5~uM;}q 希望大家討論下, 分享下:
G/qp-?oT 你覺得邊樣重要?
Z?*L C*q$[%nQ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
(xo2M;Blh+c-M.I p 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
}!~5|A { I)[k"Km6o,r 有無成功/失敗既例子?
3{g qzk'c\,Y 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
'H%GY7O]7r3[ 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
u4o:E\7PD|X3g2T jI 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~&[w/RUZ2y?#zZ
但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~I&y9Ae^O-wP,]e
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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xU*UIb'R9k 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~ e_So.{ A
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
5O9?7`b.m4] n 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦Ar!sN+Z;BP
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星k&AYs)ZN0_
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
yN2pN2J 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書(Ib R:L2f"F
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層 BD[IOib
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
8YA:@ C"I 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
^0` p)CI].RE4Y 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
;AX |r0][8hhr*IqZ/{ 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:.}I W}[6R2g
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???_&u2|S9xtm}
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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.@J+]sq(b rf 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得ws]!YoIGI^p
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁A.p-w9?2T_
上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低&].M7_!^0{fu~
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高o&Z/sbkpt'RDL
可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
Ac3E9` k Dv 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的
.?,}8o(N o 不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平9Q@.KC+wp'Z!c

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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:.}!L5_1Q cG i

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好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:%Vw]7V4i7J.AA
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦:aS|`&D.V%MBz
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
m_0]!AD B;@y2p 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
)P*?8vI(L@j+h 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書Q#y9MW:\r
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層J[x*u"j]ZKi
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]%X8hK3FH$ty

$u)H VV$N0s 用運動是很好的例子:Dq-W1X]NV
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
uzc/K[I 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
$U\2jb$Q 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
.P8U gU.H lx'wo^ 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...VC/WE.T8f7P!x;o
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這題目矛盾的地方是: F%};wD'jH%rk3\,z7a3_
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
!m oa2}GI 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:F/Xue|[
這題目矛盾的地方是:
*`$Wg;t`H8_1Ed 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力)mne`[1{/b
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]({yA/GS$b H?

f\T6O_r 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野7W$O/WlN7~ h"T#l
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
?1g"],Kw(@8@|3ZX 有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
B(TL\_6D.Y 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:v)Gn6P5~!{|
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zt.eh*~iL.L'i ^t,p 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
j)@EO"M dZ [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]?oL8YZ)yz'E
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], 9l5_ qE8bkjd
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]hjHro[
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
`2?YJt4PN?` but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.j yYC5a2pM-d+Q
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
8a U.as2b tz0pd em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

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_TL4?^c:d 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:/OnXM |7t8mj MB L!e*M
聰明重要
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世界各地個 d 天才兒童?^9w Oq)o
... [/quote]
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0?h4GW&A'y Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS onlyp'nZHG|'{ T3B
everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
`[1\6}F}r)p;[@7} but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
k Q8u'CnVM!k 只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
/hZ.VV&E It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
Y4bg7Nnj3?D0e c People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力
Kc)c2d(p*I~R People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力#Hu zG)I
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life
th;NmB 努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:%I` t2nj6zF
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
1z(R t6w9dt 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:^x:T$d;d"Q
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
fe,~ Lq3L 只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功
leF3`+X.wo$`(b 所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行
]!j ?-AC a} C%A(]Hy$]] 正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
9q$p/NQ%C 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次Fu3p#a/X*HZ
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍&T(bd|8_;o'k
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在
+l8Rm-wF-f+kY7m] 然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理7q m&]q"o

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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?.g pnkqG

Eh}f\$W1`{"n 書解:
*hsR5Bo Y1jL(|X 全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
-{fLw(Pi-{BsN 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
E5JCc^"Odh$mS:v 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱9L(Mx#@E;v,`8V%F
去左邊? MI2K)O8f;C}$]R
當年聯既沙柏Yy2`7Wj G:b8e/w
係最佳年輕球員
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J$R/p ah\M o 小弟想講既係%Pr0~ecJ%|
有天份但係冇好運
X)Qp)t5D 都係死......
PG-{Sz 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否*C$C,H\Q Z#y;_ n

f;ne i"?7U7u3Bw 同埋
+\0m'w^0T 小弟覺得天份緊要一點+}vy4KJ
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧ee ik E e wH&j"C
而且
s8d$t1f!wrq0W?fW{ 其實好多時
&\YdG+R0[ v)n%Y+f/G 命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
N0`'A#u%x9\ ]A | 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
] pk4[^4I$^T 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:
eKE-}B?i(N 用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe?7X3_6j2u g id/X8U
He took drugs..@M+U7Ssu
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
H-o6p$d9_W right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:uk.b/CVH$o
well, Lee Sharpe?
z0Zf7md%E|(i2e He took drugs..
iUeW+P~4m_1A then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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KI O'}F] 卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs/b ?3e1`#e
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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i-S:CyD0c@e&M [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
9y!ktP,G;~;joA 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]1wn8C!v/A!YF(]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
;C%RvX p7S&k 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]Q1SYJ&PR
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…-j+Ib7Y$N
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:YS z| \2QiMS
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