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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力ykv'_ C6K,c_
又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙wS0[$q _l

_4a*VQrp2`m3u 大家覺得:_1@-x,[\_Z1[+B
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是l3K:B*t2W*W%}_D
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? I5I6w8YgVs/K

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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
3H~E'i(Tg!?+@%@ 你覺得邊樣重要?1e#sWF2G
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,O R/X'r0Y!~:e
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力? gQO1r"v
有無成功/失敗既例子?
3Hy.q(B D:n*l 有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?(`%lg%g-w)B9^

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希望大家俾心機答:D
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同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野:D
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#TG? \S/Iv4j *大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~
L7ZSi ?W!G 因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~
0u{_ uA6lh 浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
j ]6u%q;p\U 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~
$z1E\;PJ3t 對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~
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%_e$K~9Wy 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~
S3pc&_a"M hY 因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=
s%~3k'aj6\ Oq 以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦8^Mubv N B3G4O%OiR&q
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星\.JPE1y.X;Q{
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
{I7g`)G!Y9x4U-L 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
P3|Wa'?G8d.\$w A+X 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
d'P8I2jrf |I+[:d 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
F"ga8Ifbw 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]*]8Y0I%jFC m
但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
)Ez#K%k:_p(r7x 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???4a|#jh(x;\r
雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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yC9l$N {t? 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得
Ezb6M,Q ggt 我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
:I ^HI$MS7[ w)} 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低C}` ~$xZ(k!]zZWP
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
!u | F3AA4r$?#O 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高-Vwx ON_1r
其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的N5UHY0l
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote] tmz Fi8FaH
咁又係~~
|1zQIq:bX` 好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
8VF p8f?/Ud 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
-a0|!h9Z-hh 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星 x"ywk-wB;YU
個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙XdA+V9o4m
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
d*}N1o[ T| { 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層j4_K(t$dhQ _$G
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote](U g(~3O7a;N1r0r(e
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用運動是很好的例子:D\ n h*oi
因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
I~/\*Y!`C 他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,5v q+J/Q,},n8YL*W3D
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
3~"`2ONLD"cex 而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...7O z,M xS9ZX
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
Q_s i? N 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
y7Xv,t;hlt;f 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:
z0Yz\,q!WT 這題目矛盾的地方是:&fL'R5p;{
太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力D?@$]1m MS'F
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野)|'EPg8T g
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層'xL3J(M@6m7]s
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層._@o%J(d
有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實5~3N~A'D:cOl!{
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:6~$X/y ka-J O
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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
$Yc+}-zRv [color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]
}Ko$b;fq0C1P.v [color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]op*V6S#n#M

:b?FH1\#M)?n [color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color], qC G \8N \V,~7X$]
[color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color]
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.
xW:P7Z+d but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.\ sH6U2n
If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.
;{Gp8V's\!vZ{+o#]*a em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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9C5s6wh/wa 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
2mtt2fq8y^&Ts 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地FC] i${G*}3M#m1`H
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你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
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可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:4iCf ^)f
聰明重要
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iQh4R8{9V 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
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Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
"dwK9|'F+oY;{8r1S+C everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.+{AJ_a
but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? No(l,X p\](m UX+QzA
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No
9|'x.Ti+k | It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed ]-O-l4]%K
People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力 n"c%f W{5UUx
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力'i znsJVh|^Z
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life#XuI }-N'@~4|P
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
.W!Y9G5g m9e 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
U~,ng9@ w {7A7p"| S 只要肯 ... [/quote]f"p}9m+lK)Zs/W

8w4^ b3p&Hlb I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:]0huq5NLO F
只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
Yv3d7[P(u'E6Q ~| 只要肯 ... [/quote]pVYZ g2eLA

;i}Mdy 當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功'}b8^|o;j
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行"[w/V3\R \Bq+P"A
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,
d~;qN4Y8}Jh 你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次3]d CAR)v
係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍m#o,dQA Q})eYQ
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在%b1a+r3] y'e8t/TF)U
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 {:O;a,R }|9G-|

*aj'N~ R'd+[9h 予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。
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又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 '@ dEPJp c ?1h)C

L:ghuD~)z 王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?MO7U#uSv

N+kQA*E y 書解:'m+X DlA$O@ N!Bt
全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
1r2T,u0H i 年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現+s"C8Rl#o*R b L8| l'H
小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱+_tb7^5Q] jh
去左邊?
(Q&_"L{ ?/JV o8^ 當年聯既沙柏
]\CHKF 係最佳年輕球員
Gx*sj;c5gz#| w 之後又點呢?
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#Xz L$t"hI6s 小弟想講既係
J;Q6p4|6Q%L8b3c-{y 有天份但係冇好運
9b%n2B%\.\[ u 都係死......3bzNRT
有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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Sj-aAr8m\6@J\:t 小弟覺得天份緊要一點
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有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
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命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才4]+`A s:_g&i
小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人
-r$k~H1R'? 其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:%S5N!AThvl
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
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well, Lee Sharpe? {:eJ;L@7|;b#lf
He took drugs..6^PvVFq
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....@Hk[~-k1c `
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
!CU CHC well, Lee Sharpe?$g,y'X7eYZ&?
He took drugs..
/zc*Xd!_Bw a then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugsayNzyInO
你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]
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|(M O,Al.b~)^?I [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
:U8SbCt{ 解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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&Z SM\7|3C8`i^ [color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街
*_8g(n%|{$Y8E.D+]:] 解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
9LW lj$ILq+STm'_ 解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:}w!U/`4F
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