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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 01:52 PM

[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
;B$r u)`8YGT 又有好多人因為無天份而將勤補拙J^7`v `R
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大家覺得:
9^1D}By%i.`R;{ 只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
,c:K+F_a#c*U1i`[4yF 只要肯努力就唔需要天份?1H#EYZVWP3t
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:
&j+|r K:FXV1e 你覺得邊樣重要?
6aw6a.wR@ 自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
uj-z3a2b vYYW 覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
wVPP7K:KW I9| 有無成功/失敗既例子?*m3d5b[C1{h
有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?
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m%h3r2moCOx+\ 希望大家俾心機答:D7x ~ c CN1ry(y
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀:D
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

我覺得只要肯努力就唔需要天份好過有天份但唔努力囉~~&?S\s%k4]9v\f
因為有d有天份o既人會恃才傲物~~~[g#uM TY,T
浪費左上天俾佢o地o既恩典~~
Qwut9VUV 但係d努力o既人就要好俾心機先可以追貼d有天份o既人o既 level~~~yDPp-Tn
對d好努力o既人係好唔公平囉~~8x*@V#v k g1T

CJ7_O9k!X q 而我就覺得我係一個有少許天份同少許努力o既人~~,fM p5`kg#^+W
因為有d事我唔雖用好努力就可以做得比d好努力o既人好 =.=2m:O+W"]E
以上只係我o既分享:P

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:00 PM

當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
e4GI.W~*m+P+Aj 或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
Zt X(v&Z-j!^s$ME)\S 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙b+F/v O^x
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
D9Iw/u+`.J9nI 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
Zk&jG'B#@P#w 有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:04 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:00 PM:
$l-uKn7Pj2n1U Vy 當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重 ... [/quote]
e4v8Gy4R w 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
OuZ'QOsE 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人......

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]sfxc0000[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:04 PM:
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!OX8f wb"p!T 但係你唔覺得咁會對d努力o既人好唔公平咩???
Z;y'u nn}"k s 雖然我都知道肯努力o既人多數都比唔上有天份o既人...... [/quote]
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呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得eFz;NR'A.U
我覺得做人有時好像玩d rpg game咁
7D @"P fA 上天係分配咗你的能力大約都係差唔多,唔會一個太高, 一個太低K/K-G l j
只不過a君可能讀書叻,b君就運動叻,c君就eq高
9]$}?1d7I$b/nO:?B(| 可能b君會羨慕a君讀書叻,但是a君又可能羨慕c君eq高
-_Z-X&b3J"Z;Gn 其實做人就係咁,可能上天俾咗一野樣你,你係全世界全叻的x Fr Rr8Mc n
不過俾果一野樣,係你成世人都用唔著既,咁你可唔可以怨個天唔公平
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sfxc0000 發表於 2005-4-21 02:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:16 PM:1`4h7|,G^.}

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^-v:TG#I 呢個世界可以話公平又得,唔公平又得 ... [/quote]
$_.T4aY+Y;DJ 咁又係~~!F4a d't$r2B_k;^
好似我思考會好d, 但背誦又差到貼地 =.=

crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:29 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:3[6T%NxX*akXS4Yz
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦{2['b)ld6V)O
或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
-o9L h YbJ'k*h3C|s 個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
B Ym+kS:e9s!E 就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
%h3P!Mnf:FH:H#S 冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層w*['O|H.mW
有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層 [/quote]~V#r"]1^

)|vUl7z6C+Rd A)} J 用運動是很好的例子:D
"vR&G;_i&E 因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.r5`1xB;W&F$Mf.b$u,g x
他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
]`4l)Ikw&X'T7t*^ 同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力$nQO"k5k wQ"{
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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7C,qH b(qs,C4d 這題目矛盾的地方是:
1D O S4OF5Iq Df 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
&IG A4D `y!@ G/vVC 他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-21 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]crap[/i] at 2005-4-21 02:29 PM:0sBu$p8}v&pU"u!O
這題目矛盾的地方是:
ft&YGr&t!LI_0b 太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力DL*`)g w Y P
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理[/quote]g!tu*s(r,Z'w n YZ

xaj7[9\8VD 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野+`u[LQ
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層s~m7HQKeg7a1c
有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層
j'R(r.N3P3D-n 有d無奈,但是已經接受咗呢個事實LBm$Y k
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crap 發表於 2005-4-21 02:45 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]srfqt1[/i] at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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0bY(JD(t,FRIW9z 可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野@ovL"g
[color=Purple]冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層[/color]9g!C6|5S iB:af#E0|
[color=Blue]有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層[/color] [/quote]c-}qbU$DyL
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[color=Blue]呢點我非常認同[/color],
F.Cy#d*b [color=Purple]但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈:)[/color],X-v7HSK|^4[c9h&^
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brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:48 PM

talent, yes, it's really important.kn!s0V/x
but I believe Hard working is the most important thing, even you are working in our society, you are studying in school or in university.
^wdIdcq8xc If you are not hard working, even you get the talents for Ronaldano.. do u think you will practise well if u are lazy?! what will be your results?! You can guess it.U a8WC`3by\/q
em.. this is my comment, both of them are really really really important

kyleung 發表於 2005-4-23 01:55 PM

聰明重要
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;P2^(H&yrAs 世界各地個 d 天才兒童
y-CQ_EY&zH 睇幾睇可以睇明大學 d 野甚至有大學收佢地's,O-WQxGyw

HF%[yE 你估智商較低甚至弱智個 d 人
#X^M7m+ZV 一日付出 24 小時去溫*XkYm8~)`
可唔可以咁樣呢?

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 01:58 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]kyleung[/i] at 2005-4-23 15:55:
+LR3rdJ*^7_ 聰明重要
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... [/quote]
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]m.y'AOba Oh.. I think.. don't just look at the RESULTS only
1I#Jriz,tV9E8eC everyone has their strengths... to build up our life and society.
yF4t_ k d:?2J} but if we are all lazy.. our life are nothing......

Rika 發表於 2005-4-23 03:52 PM

只要有天份就唔需要努力? Nob x+W_c-g%i
只要肯努力就唔需要天份? No{ ] F&Ej
It's because 天份 and 努力 have to put together, only one of them never can be successed
Q!J;} JG8cu/U5s People have 天份 can have a chance to have greater success in their life if they can 努力{2tgi'rA){
People do not have 天份 can have a little success in their life if they can 努力2FN,i.XE_-N
People do not 努力 doesn't matter he/she got 天份, they still fail in the life WLK5E{ v J
努力 is the most important factor, 天份 is bonus

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 04:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 17:52:
6Gj?^|9r 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No
ds+CEytR 只要肯 ... [/quote]`'A2h_1XM

C)J/uqm~x*bO3h0n I am supporting what you are talking about!!!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 04:28 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]Rika[/i] at 2005-4-23 03:52 PM:
zF|2qw6o 只要有天份就唔需要努力? No;w/C;}dZ#K)I
只要肯 ... [/quote]
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當然所有人都明白天份+努力=成功GS,`KQ$FNlw)Q!~3G
所以其實係鼓勵我地要搵一絛o岩自己的路去行uf,K.E ~a x_4IE4NG
正所謂勉強冇避幸福,i S#rBH4e?6RP
你係冇天份的,任你點努力,你都去唔到最高的層次
Et/kgr u 係冇運動天份,你點都冇可能一百米跑冠軍%J t+nm@ P
所以人應該要找出自己的天份所在o1\ HI:T7G'\s
然後全力向前衝

左輪仔 發表於 2005-4-23 06:17 PM

做係呢課帕,令我明白呢個道理
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iQB3FT"Ke(^%G 金谿民方仲永,世隸耕。仲永生五年,未嘗識書具,忽啼求之。父異焉,借旁近與之。即書詩四句,并自為其名。其詩以養父母、收族為意,傳一鄉秀才觀之。自是指物作詩立就,其文理皆有可觀者。邑人奇之,稍稍賓客其父,或以錢幣乞之。父利其然也,日扳仲永環謁于邑人,不使學。 h^V,MH L C1}TN
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予聞之也久。明道中,從先人還家,于舅家見之,十二三矣,令作詩,不能稱前時之聞。'`Gr oP K"G

!q iSG9R.a!_|{ 又七年,還自揚州,復到舅家,問焉,曰:「泯然眾人矣。」 %e"]K+ek Gt| q%e
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王子曰:仲永之通悟,受之天也。其受之人也,賢于材人遠矣!卒之為眾人,則其受於人者不至也。彼其受之天也,如此其賢也;不受之人,且為眾人;今夫不受之天,固眾人,又不受之人,得為眾人而已邪?
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全文寫天資聰穎的方仲永,年幼「指物立詩」,可惜他的父親沒讓他好好學習,長大後「泯然眾人」(同平凡人冇分別),說明成材在於接受教育,努力學習。本文以故事為基礎進行說理:仲永幼時的聰穎及長大之平庸、一事無成,成了強烈的對比,先揚後抑,說理言簡意賅。

aiqidejiao 發表於 2005-4-23 10:17 PM

用番之前有朋友的運動比喻H YK%CJM
年中會有唔少咩天才球員出現
3G8oY7Dd$M0Hk)G+k 小弟記得當年愛華頓既卡丹馬達利有神童之稱
'F(iY0MN;Q^E!Y"k 去左邊?
}a8O I2Cm\2K/f 當年聯既沙柏
b)T/o7G,Sm 係最佳年輕球員
M I/z j o/d 之後又點呢?5HW/H3Q\E8ng+g
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小弟想講既係;W_1D&AE3`i
有天份但係冇好運0aP? O7K
都係死......
C}SW&A 有陣時唔係天份同努力兩樣野就決定晒成功與否
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小弟覺得天份緊要一點
0DM o;R+J4L5w:H 至少
_3_9Pz'@u 有餘未盡點都比盡力而為好「聽」一點吧
n.R@nzYQy 而且[`GeC)X
其實好多時b9h\ m+Z*A
命運(際遇)真係埋沒左好多天才
@F4a:W*f1c@:]c@{ 小弟覺得有不少我們認為有天才的人h {!}-} ~b X }7{
其實他們真正的能力是他們的努力

brightlee 發表於 2005-4-23 10:19 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]aiqidejiao[/i] at 2005-4-24 00:17:j5e{ ^{9I
用番之前有朋友的運動比喻
~E:Q!} I:C'fSC 年中會有唔少 ... [/quote]
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7l4fGfX0e ik well, Lee Sharpe?Qq#cHJ
He took drugs..
5e6@"BB6RAs8kn l${7J then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....;LdWhDF{i ^U
right?!

srfqt1 發表於 2005-4-23 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by [i]brightlee[/i] at 2005-4-23 10:19 PM:
;E6xPqK3K4b well, Lee Sharpe?
5o\0n%t7j'm He took drugs..7xPtF v TE2Nzv
then you couldn't blame anyone, cos he's suicide his career.....6k#Suy5I;y&u4C
right?! [/quote]'Bu3V.]\%nG5K
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卡丹馬達利都好像又係took drugs
+K#\*\"m:r#q 你舉的例子都幾搞野

crap 發表於 2005-4-23 11:08 PM

[color=LimeGreen][size=4][u][b]龜兔賽跑:[/b][/u][/size][/color] [color=LimeGreen]- 天份與努力的故事[/color]Tnd6p R

Xr*o-O;Qt#[ O;S [color=Blue][b]第一回合[/b][/color]: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..F,U^}G%f
解釋: [color=Blue]有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)[/color]
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[color=Purple][b]第二回合[/b][/color]: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街m;RK2m!`
解釋: [color=Purple]只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追[/color]
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[color=Green][b]第三回合[/b][/color]: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…+rVzcBR8v ug
解釋: [size=4][color=Green]天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會[/color][/size];):cool::D:lol:
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