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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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2 T+ s; a1 k, Y' ~# @# {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:  N! b7 W' {' y' o) i8 ~' ~
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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: z! M" j) E7 f" ^! ~But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) O' A* _& H7 Q( a3 h; u! _- b
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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( |4 Z. Y# J1 [其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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/ O' _* O; M; [3 ]- t智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->; O* o! P6 t& d) ]! P
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.0 Y+ {6 x" j9 u( q* C
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.) N9 m$ w9 V* F5 L/ j

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
. V9 \2 h5 t- t  y2 x3 xIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:9 f/ f1 g- Y& B" L% N
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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$ A: f" j: |" n5 E2 x" |他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:% m. R8 h/ E6 x7 C6 B& A7 R
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, B4 |6 X8 ]" R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:: y; G/ Y7 X- W! ?9 [. z

) ^! v& {9 q  hyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......