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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:8 `' s0 k2 y# j2 k3 }) l0 I& h( S7 h

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' o; W" {3 Z) F3 q0 P6 Q0 |: o. V

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' m9 T, ~4 k; N2 P, PBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.7 m: p. }# X  p5 P' m
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:: J/ f. D, Q4 M
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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$ j+ O$ s  ]4 d& d( R# {) k) U其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus0 [/ x! ?! c2 U5 \# }0 l

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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- \+ T* [! ^# n打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.* Y" _: }1 `! S7 F1 X  P

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
, ?( V! c5 D9 _( A- s6 q  e2 p# NIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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7 F( d9 b4 N! O* V% [4 p9 s8 qAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:& X3 t/ A( B- C+ u0 A# x; f9 n

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: E/ @" N4 y( F2 ]! \$ `Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:; q* i1 Y9 G2 T( o
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& G( d9 f: g) q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......