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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 r1 I, L5 p) c+ \Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
3 u8 F' z4 l, c' nI was so confused.....
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+ Y: m& R8 }6 Z+ p/ {7 T講到尾都係賺錢$ c( j6 K2 K4 M; U4 n0 Q
so銀行可以不斷放款
/ ^3 i+ B# H' C+ t! q- j# N美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; m; [; x8 n" y0 ?

7 t( B9 g: x0 _) U* L& Jmortgage loan * x2 C8 |4 s5 \2 r. z( K9 C
>conduit
: d6 L% l& C& h" Y1 q% t; Y>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
  i1 |# e5 q  `. R0 p最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ I) W- m, L5 N! L- X: M, C( YCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
# G( D3 k6 S: D1 _% C4 n: {more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.! N8 W8 ]8 J5 m( G  L5 g
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
$ I1 ^' t7 K; a3 e* L: K$ [& z, Ein other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
* ?9 a, p& b% j( L5 Q2 WAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.( D# e+ J& F  b4 n
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,) m( Z% h. d  t+ [( ~+ B* F
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ' {5 ?/ w' d& {: N0 I! s
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ! b6 m) z4 _+ m' S+ b
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.% S+ M! W( I3 Y$ g: M- |" p: n

- W6 f8 U  o+ _1 p$ M" \im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.- F3 E, o9 x# a+ W) J! ?
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  h7 G. i. Q) s2 F9 \For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,- O# `7 }5 G$ F" z
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.0 X8 U1 }& [  M* w  h0 `
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ; Y& s2 i6 @: A
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.: w; a0 U8 \* {$ {! }# d6 Y! q" C, k4 N; y8 Y

) y, ^4 `* {$ H  C6 y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
% M& R: j& y. o. eRefer to last example,5 D. S" P* A  k; @' ?" W8 c% S
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; ]* u3 B( i# K, g( D) ~2 q/ gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ( I+ A8 p4 ?& W, r' C
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
9 y# M+ k1 K3 H  i) o& h( hso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
. E* s/ P( H  Uall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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$ g5 x. `; K) h: kthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ) p# p7 k3 L% E
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, 3 p5 j! v8 r  c5 D/ E; n" t5 u
it's the problem of the debt itself.
6 Q9 b* f0 t7 B0 ]the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 d1 f( P7 H6 A, d( c
小弟一直都唔明...
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& E/ A6 c* I$ N全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?, T% A& u2 h; `1 f% z

( X8 Y/ v: |. u+ L2 r無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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/ v& h: q: W7 v1 C9 k! ^8 lThanks
! P) T' y+ J: s# N  J' i( d那些根本係 紙上財富    |- o/ T7 l3 x+ m; L0 R- c" D$ e% E
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
) v1 T% L* j: ]* y/ ^5 w0 B# n- ^當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
/ W1 ?7 B4 X3 |2 S於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" p" v0 l6 W4 o8 ]
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦( _$ z  [8 g+ v; a1 l
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* M4 E/ x0 x& R$ c1 g* [* P0 b計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
1 |( H7 ]( [! G+ {2 F( |4 F前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法5 T0 K$ B( V9 _, a! [9 W1 l- h' L  j- U
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得" v8 u+ D- n7 C! O: W8 a( E
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺2 a4 L& {5 K7 ^) k; w9 j+ ~) P: O- O3 a
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
9 P# n# A+ y5 A3 d3 L咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%( J, [8 E4 Z6 U  v
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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5 _" i9 ^8 p6 R! l, {+ |你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 9 \. W4 P# ]9 M9 C8 j. O7 \' g* u
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
3 Q, p  a8 R3 B  I# O淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 e9 W7 N4 i* ~' l& d呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
! B. W$ F: G" i: t咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 `( `0 a3 [- N2 }
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / G# y& H: e! r) h$ a
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 1 C9 @6 [5 \9 q# J. z& A2 z
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( V+ k  \5 h' S! s( M咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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, I! U2 G3 R7 ?: F6 k" @1 t正係咁樣5 H. M( Y5 @. B9 b$ `* V2 k5 K' p
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
  d2 \# w' F* {# P& [$ C分分鐘佢地唔使還錢3 ?: N0 H- L7 J7 d) n/ Q

( e/ \5 h% w# K; S5 m( k/ k再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,, _+ b  o: [5 |" h2 J8 R; K8 c
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票5 E, S! k: L: Y  x& A* m  O
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產; ]0 l/ _+ t. N
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
/ U1 t& S0 x  J! R- l* P9 P咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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2 V8 W: x/ o' S其實係...
! K% V2 G! g% n/ t: m因為以前未生產, 先消費
# @6 k! W1 Z* ~; E8 G3 {而家就要多生產, 少消費
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