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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ Z0 V( _, h) ~+ e3 |6 p3 VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
5 v2 |# \# m9 sI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
5 ?, u5 s: g3 Fso銀行可以不斷放款! Z7 \- B4 d# G. ~. c3 ]/ _
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界5 y( ^2 ~  g* I) Y

& W$ @9 U: B/ \1 Qmortgage loan
+ a  G% R3 a, a>conduit
9 r! r7 ^/ m) A>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)7 `. c1 t1 E7 k3 A2 f
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
; @6 Z) J: {5 Omain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
' p; t2 }6 Y$ q( z% N  B4 [in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
5 I/ W( s0 Y0 j: C- n% gAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency., i* t  Q* N" n' B  _
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
2 \8 ^0 y" j7 R6 j' nnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 6 Q0 T% X1 N/ `- M/ X7 t7 F4 |! B
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
1 T6 T3 B& _9 Z6 v7 [7 Pbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.# e8 `, V& y+ H+ q2 L- q

2 V' y- b, H; H7 k* Dim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
/ `7 F% _$ W" Y5 d! pin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 x: _. y9 X# m+ i& E/ w
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,% b+ P. V1 F! K" u# a
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.# _% t7 Y+ L3 H9 i
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
7 v6 X3 i) W# f8 c' V% ?# c$ s& Ybut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.3 y. ]* s2 d7 u3 u; _! W

) K' k* G4 P  F0 t. ^7 Y[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" M* B9 ~/ D  l4 f/ v, ]" H! o( z
Refer to last example,& I) j6 J' t" f9 j3 r0 _/ u
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 1 b* V% y) Q" v" x: ]! V& e
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 @3 O9 q3 z) K. F1 s8 l: Gtherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
4 H4 U' Z2 t' U4 c' Y& Aso does it mean if E failed to pay D, . F! c9 }+ b/ ?- }
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* |1 `0 x# ?% J# iin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
  i! k% m8 q( [2 ]% git's the problem of the debt itself.
, ?. d* B" `, wthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) F% _9 e% S% p* j小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?2 x: q# F+ f% }9 T! E& O7 v4 ~

& G* p% k7 F( i0 e+ }無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- l" b+ ?4 y1 w$ o
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敬請各師兄解答7 {# }8 ]6 l$ H; x; T

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那些根本係 紙上財富  
$ T% s1 F1 T# ]2 g( F. z6 c各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic7 V4 I9 v" J4 L
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產' l% Q) _7 E) \" j' N
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高) C# B  s3 t8 U  Q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊$ J: s( B; T( w% ?0 n
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦0 v6 P% E. f5 {
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 [7 j: d4 d. y: X/ g
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 P1 W; L0 o: ~/ J* F+ Y前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 ^$ }0 `  {3 j& S# N9 H8 o6 s3 T- C
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
9 j5 W, X2 b' v但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
  j. l. @. d( X& C. P例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
! }$ y. k+ }, d咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%& p* i4 L& y) k% ^. r
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' {; z+ ~2 _! D% M7 ]但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 M% j- H. i8 T: c$ V$ ~) J淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
/ r, K% E0 K( O2 o; y2 a/ G呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 I/ \- p. j: I& [; x: F; n唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, " @1 u; ~" H8 _7 x3 r# [" H
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 7 B" G3 p4 s: x( s
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行1 N8 U* _6 Q1 t! w" f9 B# E
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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8 ~6 r) F- M  i- H: j( O, I7 C正係咁樣
3 S1 z" u: W8 q: {: d' x其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,: E# D- ^( F; i0 O
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票( J9 X& b* \7 [
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
# _# r( }# F( D5 h. [1 D. b編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* T* W5 y3 v0 a* h$ m, l, s咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
3 V! F3 A3 ^0 f$ o  r6 E0 o2 w+ \* ?因為以前未生產, 先消費
) E6 T. _9 {0 o! o. G而家就要多生產, 少消費
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