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作者: waithung 時間: 2005-3-21 04:57 PM 標題: 大家認為阿仙奴的青訓有冇用?

我就覺得成效不大喇暫時~如果佢地唔好似曼聯同車仔一樣buy d好球員番黎,咁黎緊呢幾年既聯賽冠軍都唔使預佢喇~

作者: rest365days 時間: 2005-3-21 05:06 PM

ManU近年買嘅球員都唔算好好. 上次三冠王嘅時候有半隊係自己青訓產品, 仲正

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 06:42 PM

Are u serious?!
do u look at their League Cup starting lineup?!

Do you think anyteam are doing like them?!

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 07:45 PM

但是嚴格上來講
好多都唔係真正佢地的青訓產品
最衰都係fa果條規例

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 07:51 PM

hahaha, yes..
but Arsene is smart to buy so many young players.... about 15-17 years old.. right?!

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 07:53 PM

但是如果講青年軍
man city 同 villa 好像好勁

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 07:54 PM

Yes, Villa is the strongest team in youth team!

remember how many FA youth cup they win it in last 5 years?!
they got the crazy youth team!!!

the bad thing is Villa doesn't have much money..
so if you see in Villa now, they don't have some experience players to lead for kids now..... poor them

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:00 PM

有時我都覺得好奇怪
點解man city 同 villa 唔用多d青年軍

作者: 月月鳥 時間: 2005-3-21 08:06 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-3-21 19:53:
但是如果講青年軍
man city 同 villa 好像好勁

米堡呢"?
DOWING,占士麼利臣

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 08:08 PM

the don't have some experience players to lead the team
look at Man UTD and Arsenal
you could see the differetnt
when Man Utd used a lot of teens in early 90s, you got Ince, You got Pallister, you got Steve Bruce, you got Eric Cantona.. you got Ryan Giggs

look at Arsenal this year?!

most of the teens are just play for few games only.. and some old leader, like Dennis Bergkamp, Pat Vieria, Sol Campbell, to lead the kids to grow up

but do you think anyone in Man City and Aston Villa got these players?
seems not....
poor them....

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:32 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 08:08 PM:
the don't have some ...

同意
不過我覺得man city 同 villa 就算冇senior d人去lead
果領隊都要俾多d機會用年青球員
寧願犧牲兩三年的成績

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 08:34 PM

em.... depends what they want to do..
see Spurs, they get a great team.
every position gets good players...
but no team leaders, i.e. they are just middle in Premier League............

em.. but Aston Villa is a little bit top of that.. they are willing to goto Euro straightly..
case is a little bit different

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:37 PM

Originally posted by 月月鳥 at 2005-3-21 08:06 PM:

米堡呢"?
DOWING,占士麼利臣

都勁呀
上屆fa youth cup 冠軍
1992  Manchester United  Crystal Palace  6-3
1993  Leeds United  Manchester United  4-1
1994  Arsenal  Millwall  5-3
1995  Manchester United  Tottenham Hotspur  1-1 aet
Manchester United won  4-2 on pens
1996  Liverpool  West Ham United  4-1
1997  Leeds United  Crystal Palace  3-1
1998  Everton  Blackburn Rovers  5-3
1999  West Ham United  Coventry City  9-0
2000  Arsenal  Coventry City  5-1
2001  Arsenal  Blackburn Rovers  6-3
2002  Aston Villa  Everton  4-2
2003  Manchester United  Middlesbrough  3-1
2004  Middlesbrough  Aston Villa  4-0

曼聯的成功就係由92年果屆開始

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 08:46 PM

yes, after they bought Peter and Eric Cantona.....
the weakest part of the team at that moment.........
if you think 99 West Ham.. you could see how crazy they are nowadays..
I believe,...
Joe Cole was in there
Frank Lampard was in there
Michael Carrick was in there..
a crazy team at that year.

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:49 PM

所以我都替West Ham覺得唔抵
可能就係差一兩年就可以有作為
但是未成功之前d主力就走晒
現在仲降班

作者: crap 時間: 2005-3-21 08:50 PM

o..
great stat. bro.
thx

but anyone know how does Chelsea do with their youth planning?
it seems they don't care about it for years.... (many years b4 the got rich..)

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 08:55 PM

yes, in my memories,
Chelsea didn't have any players are playing from youth team,
in history, they were not rich before.
they dont' have good training system in youth.
remember they were back to Division 1 in 1989/90 seasons.
you couldn't expect them too much

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:58 PM

剛剛搵到
1960 Chelsea Preston North End 5-2
1961 Chelsea Everton 5-3

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 08:59 PM

我記得之前Chelsea差點賣咗Terry

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:00 PM

they were getting one League champion in 50s...
but they were badly in 80s....
em.... poor them...
remember.. the last chairman..... Bates, for Chelsea.,... he spent 1 pounds to buy Chelsea in 1980s

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 09:03 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 08:34 PM:
em.... depends what ...

我覺得應該用時間去換成績
贏果種感覺係完全唔同
始終太多球隊急功近利

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:06 PM

yes, there's one of the reasons I love Arsenal nowadays.

they spend so many times for teens... for youth players........

作者: crap 時間: 2005-3-21 09:08 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-3-21 08:59 PM:
我記得之前Chelsea差點賣咗Terry

wahahhaaa
唔出奇... he wasn't very good years ago... well.. so do now...
when i played CM... i always put him on transfer list as well...................

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 09:00 PM:
they were getting one League champion in 50s...
but they were badly in 80s....

r u serious? 1 pound?! i didn't know about that... well maybe i was just born....
whatever....
why it's sold for 1 pound? in debt? i should hv asked my dad to buy Chelsea...............

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 09:10 PM

所以就算車仔今年贏幾多冠軍
歷史只會話佢地用咗幾多幾多錢去買球員,然後贏幾多冠軍
同其他傳統勁旅係冇得比

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:15 PM

Originally posted by crap at 2005-3-21 23:08:

wahahhaaa
唔出奇... ...

yes, one pounds, you eyes were right!

cos at that moment, Chelsea was nearly bankrupted, played in 2nd division...
it was similar situation for Charlton Athletics
but Charlton was getting much worst than Chelsea at that moment, they needed to sold the Valley at that time.....

作者: 月月鳥 時間: 2005-3-21 09:16 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-3-21 20:37:

都勁呀
上屆fa youth cu ...

是的,不過曼聯的「黃金一代」也正步入衰退期,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:16 PM

em.. Terry is good.. but he needs someone to help him

cos he is not quick enough for Center back..
so Gallas is the best one to cover his mistakes

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 09:23 PM

Originally posted by 月月鳥 at 2005-3-21 09:16 PM:

是的,不過曼聯的「黃金一代」也正步入衰退期,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

曼聯都有新「黃金一代」
所以03年曼聯再贏FA YOUTH CU
好多人都有好多期望
其實佢地都掂架
而家有EAGLES,ROSSI,PIQUE,JONES
仲有RONALDO,ROONEY,FLETCHER稍為已經成熟的球員

作者: crap 時間: 2005-3-21 09:34 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-3-21 09:10 PM:
所以就算車仔今年贏幾多冠軍
歷史只會話佢地用咗幾多幾多錢去買球員,然後贏幾多冠軍
同其他傳統勁旅係冇得比

我諗都係, 希望佢地贏多幾年, 加入做'傳統勁旅'啦...

作者: crap 時間: 2005-3-21 09:35 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 09:16 PM:
em.. Terry is good.. but he needs someone to help him

cos he is not quick enough for Center back..
so Gallas is the best one to cover his mistakes

right, but Gallas's not really a top class CB, but is good enough for playing in England i think

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:35 PM

yes, .. they need to spend some money for this..
otherwise.. they were just international teams..

no basic fans... easily.... (in London or in England)

作者: waithung 時間: 2005-3-21 09:42 PM

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-3-21 09:10 PM:
所以就算車仔今年贏幾多冠軍
歷史只會話佢地用咗幾多幾多錢去買球員,然後贏幾多冠軍
同其他傳統勁旅係冇得比

agree

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:46 PM

Originally posted by crap at 2005-3-21 23:35:

right, but Gallas's not really a top class CB, but is good enough for playing in England i think

that's why it's good when Rio or Sol to help him in England team.
King+Terry will have problems soon

作者: 月月鳥 時間: 2005-3-21 09:47 PM

曼聯都有新「黃金一代」
所以03年曼聯再贏FA YOUTH CU
好多人都有好多期望
其實佢地都掂架
而家有EAGLES,ROSSI,PIQUE,JONES
仲有RONALDO,ROONEY,FLETCHER稍為已經成熟的球員

還有史柏達,比利安等

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 09:52 PM

Originally posted by 月月鳥 at 2005-3-21 09:47 PM:

還有史柏達,比利安等

比利安...

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:53 PM

Bellion??

he was bought from Sunderland........ em....

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 09:55 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 09:53 PM:
Bellion??

he was bought from Sunderland........ em....

重要好貴呀!!

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 09:57 PM

2 millions pounds lor..
too expensive for this player

作者: 月月鳥 時間: 2005-3-21 09:58 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 21:57:
2 millions pounds lor..
too expensive for this player

if sir alex give him change
i think he would be more better

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 10:01 PM

you mean Chance?!

NO, I don't believe he would have any chance...

who are in front of him?

Ruud, Wayne, Louis and Alan Smith.

Remember Ole is in injured list, if he's back from injury, he should be in front of Bellion
do you think he have any chances?

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 10:03 PM

Bellion 好像要成3 millions pounds呀
你話佢點值呢個價
唔好講四大FW
曼聯仲有rossi
SAF對佢讚不絕口
BELLION又點會有機會呢

[ Last edited by srfqt1 on 2005-3-21 at 10:06 PM ]

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 10:06 PM

yes around 2 to 3 millions pounds..
well Man utd... they need to spend more money to buy any players.......

Sunderland.... "pushing" them to pay more money

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 10:34 PM

Originally posted by brightlee at 2005-3-21 10:06 PM:
yes around 2 to 3 millions pounds..
well Man utd... they need to spend more money to buy any players.......
Sunderland.... "pushing" them to pay more money

無錯
如果唔俾多D錢塞住Sunderland
可能曼聯果時都會好像而家車仔咁被人查

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 10:36 PM

yes.. hahahha... good points

作者: kyleung 時間: 2005-3-21 10:47 PM

isnt Bellion free?

well i'm not sure
just ask

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-21 10:51 PM

No, he's not free,
Man Utd wants to get him in free agent...
but Sunderland trick Man Utd.
so finally Man Utd needed to pay for him....

作者: srfqt1 時間: 2005-3-21 11:05 PM

BELLION 係應該FREE TRANSFER既
但係佢係年青球員,UNDER21 OR22
咁根據FIFA就要俾一筆錢之前的球會作賠償
不過曼聯好像偷步同佢有聯絡
如果就被Sunderland威脅
於是曼聯就俾多D錢塞住Sunderland

作者: Chingy 時間: 2005-3-22 05:06 AM

i study in england..this kid in my school.he play for villa youth team..he rly good,bt a bit small..i think Arsenal will be the richest club..coz they kept train some new young player to become a rly good player.so when they like 27 or 28,some football like Real madrid or Cheales would spend lots of money to buy them.so i just think Arsenal will be the richest club..wt do everyone think?

作者: brightlee 時間: 2005-3-22 07:04 AM

if they can keep this progessing, and UEFA/FA won't change the rules, Arsenal will have a bright future.

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