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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:) B6 C0 ^0 m7 j. }' r$ ~# U% B
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:% l7 D6 G; {1 {* _2 m: W
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why?

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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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but i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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Agree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:
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$ L5 w) g% x( B0 S諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=154 y! f; I( E: h, X- t! Y8 }0 h
司馬懿：4+4+5+3=16
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姜維：2+1+1+5=98 n7 [& G9 p1 I8 M+ b
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮& [5 U: I; y5 p- I4 {; A& Z

+ h) z# @7 n0 i! }Thus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- \! g1 e9 A4 L

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  V: Z- d! I# K( V, d' EBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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7 i/ [, V0 j& h" ?+ N4 d8 }/ u他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

6 q, S. P, ^" q8 d1 ~/ dyes, that's the point.