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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
8 I. T0 [/ d! t& @) EWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 ]/ @) k/ G+ `7 g* uI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
4 D& \4 _# t5 ~  Z- L8 dso銀行可以不斷放款- q' n( _5 q& r0 i% _6 O
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界6 g# S# v, y4 W# U- I4 H( U% ?
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mortgage loan - c! {6 h/ |$ T5 Z2 Q
>conduit
5 i) W& A4 e. P) N9 x$ U  \% v0 k>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)' \% g/ F' R, h) w" N& l( B/ d7 Q9 g
>arranger
: @$ M$ j1 Q/ C>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)" D5 q1 K0 T/ L  |1 F2 V# b
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.( ^8 @" R& h. Q* t, O" v
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ q9 K5 ?8 g* h0 T/ V6 k4 \4 tmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
% D7 _# ~/ q1 c6 y. O; smain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
5 e0 Q$ U& s) ]- ?) O. S, Xin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities., y+ ]* m3 l: o% d1 L0 t: T
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
' R" J: e' t" B3 osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,2 p8 p9 c7 A3 \" c5 O# j8 t4 _
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
2 J* l4 N( j5 h3 a2 s6 [, t( v; Ceg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. & i" }5 Z+ i0 R- d/ M5 `
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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0 H) C# r2 e6 Wim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
0 z; O7 a4 c2 v6 B1 S8 J( \  [in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( i; T" t- T3 g" ~: @% v8 @For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
3 S9 }$ f. M# aA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
  ?" e/ x  q# P3 z, sThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. + p# \2 @8 e7 i6 L: [% V
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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/ |6 @; g* E1 M( X# ^. L& S# ]# A[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
* c; x( R5 u& u0 T! T# hRefer to last example,
' ^( X! i" m3 U) Kthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 3 u9 e: V, w5 V! p9 Z9 W3 ~* t
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
# j* g1 C3 C5 n8 y0 \therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
0 x, t0 r. o  A2 Eso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
, q1 H5 w0 ]. s" B3 Qall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?1 B" C. }9 x7 n& c+ V, Y, R
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ( u; Z5 x6 V- p4 V1 P8 \( ]
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
5 _! x6 G* q; `# f$ A0 Git's the problem of the debt itself.
3 j! p- k6 {* ythe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif( ^4 x) m8 o3 m( t8 g, ]5 j
小弟一直都唔明...' x5 M; v$ J- G! Q' j
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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9 w) e6 [) s+ l3 w3 v: }無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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( }6 x7 ~& K4 {7 s敬請各師兄解答$ g, R& R/ o6 m1 |/ A
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Thanks
  u2 g( R, v: c6 c( ~+ e) V那些根本係 紙上財富  
% O9 X! H8 s( F2 i6 N各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic0 ~3 J% U  z  g; c
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
( W) @. Z6 M- m2 w0 n+ ]- d( X當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高& f% ~& W) {% A# o5 t. P0 q
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊7 ~5 i7 _% R* ]: b4 K# p0 C2 r
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
: t. z8 X+ Y6 F7 N扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ b5 `0 F( Z- K, p% N計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
' b" r+ c3 I* P4 r+ {前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法: g+ @) j1 }' }. S  ?' p
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
! ]1 O# A* S- L3 S7 @但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
3 X9 u6 Y1 e% p" _例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
. Z" R6 `- B  ~, o- ?; l咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
+ D& q$ m! e- O; I! b5 X) a* }所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁) e! G7 z# P5 X7 h6 z' U
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, # c0 b/ ?1 r: q- z  V1 R6 g
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, * \$ h0 z3 e3 I( x* d
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
3 G3 J, c4 ]' J3 k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行0 Q, F7 d( m" v$ y
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif; j" _' _5 P0 y# X
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, ! _" L/ h  W4 Z0 p
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
% E! q/ l" P" ^2 t3 J. I0 L呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: ?0 ~) w9 Y" R1 F. {, _咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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% c  c+ T7 o6 F3 e正係咁樣
9 o' M2 \5 u% K* v- B6 c其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
7 m0 T, _9 j6 q) Y1 P分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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% D( U( m8 h* b4 {, [$ E再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
0 V( |7 k$ |% f. Z連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
# r' ~, J! b* C一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% ?9 B9 ^4 p: g# j
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* W  r* e* U$ a9 e2 _2 _1 F
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...9 C6 e* l- x' Y/ t1 ~
因為以前未生產, 先消費( a6 C* W8 b* V
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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