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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 T+ V; T3 B, c# x$ ~; z" r2 K+ HWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???% Y( c2 M; s9 c5 |, g
I was so confused.....
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2 K; K0 R; {! {講到尾都係賺錢
0 ?" B2 q8 x( V9 d6 e  a; Cso銀行可以不斷放款5 h$ B& E/ G! V5 t% ]1 r& X0 M
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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8 y. h7 O2 V. K4 c/ B3 ~: Mmortgage loan
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3 C4 @; O5 C7 E' X9 ?>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities), s/ |- A0 c5 T4 ?' W
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)4 z5 ?5 Y/ n, K0 b8 e
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 r0 n" Z% X; J+ `9 q2 OCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,! O! h% I, Y4 p" K- J& g7 V3 `
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment., D7 y* k4 N" `- Q% v
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
9 p. J) b3 \+ k4 w, |% f1 J5 Hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
) X, H4 ~1 }" j* b' ZAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# i5 A) R6 j1 e8 I! Z6 L! u; fsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 v  r# R1 @+ _" B* i
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. ; x: ?; Y1 {/ }% S9 L
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
5 e9 ?1 b. O, R: Z1 p& rbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.9 u1 h! v/ U' v

* ^* n1 Z+ D5 m9 N; s' g# u& ]7 Kim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
  ~$ _  @0 ?( Y0 l0 N( i, din stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.4 f+ E9 }* M1 ^# U0 A( D  c8 I
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
7 o7 `# {* [& DA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
5 s8 v% X( S. O' T; F: t! xThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
4 W# \' f1 {; J- I3 kbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.1 ~+ ?& ]8 w, d# }6 E: {4 o

3 `  D( v2 R  y. ?% B[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 N5 \0 r3 h* X3 O3 N: i$ BRefer to last example,0 f) Y1 [2 ~; N% r
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 b7 m; b  u& s. M- D
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand / N8 o) L) g% b6 Q  ~! V. c
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
: U8 S3 [- n8 i0 p# a2 rso does it mean if E failed to pay D, 0 d- |$ R# z( o2 C* x! B
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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' ~9 m( t& C+ T  mthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
  L3 c, P3 q$ V3 r4 y6 Vin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
6 E3 [* `+ j5 o3 [: U9 Uit's the problem of the debt itself.
) p- T% L- B! R' t' z& x8 Mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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+ M$ l* D1 N7 T2 V& p& _# ]" f無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
1 s. P" A9 n4 ^9 N0 h- G0 {0 S) Y各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic( I/ }8 K. m3 K

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
5 u# ]* @" B/ O/ t6 C8 w6 O當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高- X" R1 [  U' C4 I& M$ A  e# d
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
8 \" N7 _3 N/ f- m0 t個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦; |; h+ ~0 }9 D( v
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, Y) n" e# S7 e# s* w- y0 ]. X計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 [" U9 P- I0 e% n/ A前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
7 F+ E: ]; c- v- W* V  z1 R7 a同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; f9 `% h! |. O% r, p
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
. m: r9 j1 h1 Q: z; ?6 K( Y4 `9 V. B例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
2 W1 P2 h$ R& h' H- e0 S咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
, `: N5 Q1 r3 F/ |! X" {& B0 a所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁* M  M1 l& x$ Z) \! c
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ) P- l% g* U, a1 L- Y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
" W3 e/ B7 V' ~6 W. k淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, . h' o: ~0 k7 i
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
5 h* j" J' s, y& ~8 }/ r唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 8 P' [+ L  {2 ?& s" A: F! ~9 f
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + g0 ~' G2 s8 D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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, T+ z1 ?+ a6 i3 Y( G& b0 w正係咁樣
/ [$ @. G- O4 G. m. J9 q1 }4 M其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
. ?! f( F" y$ {3 l2 D分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,* Z- c0 M) F& M, F/ v
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
) c) Q! ^! y8 w6 n) n( H一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產. Z' m* x3 U0 t/ X8 d$ t7 j& ~( F) N
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" @" G4 G- G; R% f# l% q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
% ~( f. b# G6 G  Q3 K因為以前未生產, 先消費
) ^. |* z/ \7 H$ E4 e3 l而家就要多生產, 少消費
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