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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif, `( r8 R0 ?) t3 F+ Z
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
/ \- e4 g& n; y$ {# Z, QI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
9 e0 W% N% `5 U9 t1 ^  ?% m( s. zso銀行可以不斷放款
, s7 |) L3 X) |9 Y! X1 E$ p美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界4 A9 J: p' Z5 F5 Y

- V/ ?5 k8 s7 zmortgage loan 5 o4 j$ m' Q( ]: _
>conduit
; \- O5 h3 H7 o1 C/ U7 k>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities); D% @9 T; u' m" K
>arranger
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$ M: o, K' G& X. J% \最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
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more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
& y1 \9 E4 \( E" U* _9 g- wmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,9 K; ?1 z" I) a$ T2 e
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.# j) v6 _) o4 r" N' P/ l
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.4 R+ o5 e% u* ?) U
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,4 T$ g  S& s- c! @( z
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
. |* E7 {- n, `* L% veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.   O6 B3 Y+ G* ?3 m  l+ `' m/ f& v
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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6 h$ o, F- ^7 Oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) B2 n$ }5 U; B" {4 }
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.! k1 V, u8 r5 g
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,. C2 v3 r" B6 K6 j, l0 x2 K8 {
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
/ q# _- ?& ?, w& I' |The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
! z( z: p" \" {7 `: p$ S0 u  Hbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
+ S0 H! g1 [5 X# G8 g$ YRefer to last example,
' W# P* R, U4 Y) u+ ~" g& Sthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
8 G2 Q  W2 S! I" WBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 0 d0 B8 s" v3 k$ `/ n4 X) N
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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( J" g, l* o: tA->B->C->D->E
1 o, v6 ~) r8 Z( J/ w6 |so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
3 V2 @, N2 E7 F. g8 oall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, ! J' o9 t" U. h. U5 A* W
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, , K9 g8 P, J* B+ H* v0 D9 i
it's the problem of the debt itself.3 n! K9 R' w" T% F% p! b. H
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' K: E' C5 \3 r小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?8 A2 W  \( C6 `9 u8 q. x

  x1 W) c6 d: i) w無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答
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1 {6 _/ [1 ?. X+ [4 f- B$ `. k7 t0 |Thanks
1 G  a% Z4 \: G# L  I. l; L那些根本係 紙上財富  
6 T1 `/ E; z% A# ~/ w, {5 L各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic; `( h8 D! q& A) g

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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
+ G: @- C, d" z2 ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
  n$ R/ z' n. A* r2 _" v於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
- L3 t4 e- x2 I9 O  q個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦) E4 R& s1 h9 ]+ h4 `8 t  A" l+ C8 c
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,9 N) @4 _' Z# s/ P' c- y
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 ^' X: `# d! K: k/ s) i前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
' c7 |% s: \4 \0 O7 j) L! a同埋個市場既前境要係好先得# `  k: b# K& w" t6 B
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺9 Z& g9 K* l7 o
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊, ) d7 \3 L" u/ X$ R
咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
  f+ v4 Q& Q" J1 B' g6 [所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, ' [2 l" o: f# ?6 A/ g* m
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, # c/ }$ U! ^9 B( v8 r( c
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 D( A. t1 R; o8 [呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行! R, p2 \* @; o# W) p
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
: u! a( m2 X- f# A- q& o9 t9 h呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行/ q4 S: ?. w: J! i$ k+ |' u
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣
+ o( |7 b- ?; ^& Q7 C其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業& S+ `$ O$ W9 g+ @, c5 H( \0 n) L
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
; [. t0 b* {( Z' I( ^5 o1 \! j連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票# O/ }+ w, G# Z5 x& ^  d$ w5 D
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產5 }( `/ X# C. f" r! ~4 Y! w
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
; M6 H5 F) }. @/ v' Z$ M& B8 i/ ~咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
* p$ e/ q0 l3 e* x3 C5 [# ]( R3 l因為以前未生產, 先消費
1 A8 j; _; }- l3 j6 e7 U+ U而家就要多生產, 少消費
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