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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
  o7 l1 y) k2 L* e9 k8 f" e* [1 OWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
8 b/ V$ S$ Q) B( i6 Y+ LI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢
/ c) W3 H5 G( H. hso銀行可以不斷放款& {( a) l0 A; b, ?  c8 ]7 _: q2 @5 a
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界- D2 x# r( ?: i' g- A
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ [+ P! ^5 [' p' t9 o" K5 A
>arranger
1 o8 p; W0 ]& r8 L- b4 u6 q9 f* a>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
1 k7 B* F) l  k3 nCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
* {5 K$ K9 G5 r8 S3 U6 R: emore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
) B$ ]: c. \8 \1 t9 amain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,( R, A$ k! g  b& D% O
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities." Y7 v% ~9 k1 {- t# ]
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
( s7 Z. }$ o1 k7 v) |similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,0 W# c6 w0 W" Y: [6 ^" C9 Q
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # S7 {" L, W$ N* C' {
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. % F4 s2 I0 K0 a
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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, q+ y. _. _8 f$ l! ?/ zim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.& `9 _" d8 z1 M2 m
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.8 y: E$ Q% G2 K$ Y
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,5 c  H$ U! J: W. z3 I
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction./ l; t4 l, l* ^3 U% S
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 L' e$ `9 t7 m$ J2 p0 dbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
) L6 v/ M% b1 S: LRefer to last example,
' U9 T! p9 s7 @+ mthat means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A ) R0 T6 L0 {9 H  h7 i2 G
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
+ h; g( ]5 r5 ntherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ k5 u+ ~9 D) NA->B->C->D->E/ J* i0 o) b* r
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
4 n1 Y( H+ T( {# kall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, + B6 }% C9 K$ ?- J0 @$ |
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 d* @6 r" ?$ t$ [3 W8 E! d9 Tit's the problem of the debt itself.
8 J0 m& U' h& Y5 a& \the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: F6 D# F! ^/ J) ?0 x9 o1 q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?( B, ]1 x5 q9 f, v* x
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...  \2 H( L# U- }; O  H/ P# K% `' C

; C7 g& Y, r& G) @敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
3 A: X0 E5 [9 ?" K( w' `' ^各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 h1 z8 U' |7 T  H9 G
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
8 E+ e" i/ ], R3 J( ]當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
6 w2 k3 O- W# l5 w. i: P4 g" o於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
5 c- r$ Q$ {) i! N. D" b- P個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦1 x1 F. ^+ L  X+ ~5 s  Z, G
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
8 ?4 B2 O5 F( q; T計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
0 `# Q  h% B+ n前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
9 K6 K3 \' [9 g同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
7 w3 \/ m! \4 R' Q8 e& r但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺) a+ n; y7 x1 v, l1 g
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
8 o4 w2 f: U7 d- X& ~- U咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
8 b1 G2 x- l5 Z8 I  T所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁2 b$ u  \& L: T! u

( x) S) }  [6 z/ k5 V$ M你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
" q* q( [9 j4 a) J) }但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
6 m5 g! h" J4 ?/ o& O1 R) D淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
* n: v) u) }) r/ U7 x, \  A; s. \呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行" h- O; t7 q0 o9 }$ W+ s, O* s
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
" o5 Y0 x4 p% [+ }  x& {唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / Y! v% f+ x' c  q
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# M% P( F3 ?$ |4 u" D呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
: C7 H) P, l* m3 j$ C咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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8 o4 \7 L  u" a( ?6 I再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,8 C- B5 Y" O3 R( Z
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
* I9 M3 D. z" Y# F. \1 q* v. z7 b一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% @, B3 O2 o: M- x# R! r
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif8 R4 K1 r; R9 H6 O( o) N: g- E4 Q
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...: T* C5 d- `8 X3 Y
因為以前未生產, 先消費6 `! L( ?# P1 z7 `, i
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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