Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 O+ O/ j" V0 V, f% H
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 T3 Y' S9 [! N呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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& ~1 _# C7 S% O  {: b( ENobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 m6 ?4 K8 x4 [' r! ymr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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: ~3 c7 N" \+ t5 X& Qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% ~6 u" ~2 {/ wcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 ~+ `/ q' O- z我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 |9 j3 D! {8 u* G
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:/ r$ _! [/ k- ]  e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- g0 w4 V, W/ QWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ O; [# b* @5 YLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
% K: [3 q4 d4 f) ~% u- u* G建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失". I, X/ x5 `" }5 S
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
: I. a, ^9 I' a& G* ^0 B0 Sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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+ x8 O( e3 ^0 s* @9 v( rit's starting because we have sins......$ ^- S$ ]3 L6 {% d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
- O! M. O/ V9 y! a" E+ d3 F( cour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 H6 q, {5 i9 M" r) ?. G. @; t: S
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,% W+ ]9 L+ G. V" S+ q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- k0 h' v. I7 s" e: R0 \
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全: I# Y+ _6 f% \3 d' L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," O1 a8 a% |% x) {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 m* ], N6 U3 j  [8 ^) o" h: @

( q' G' n3 L+ q1 P4 S5 y& c導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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0 O( @* q$ I# V% d4 F, U改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 M6 E0 ?" E0 K* p9 s美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ S. r! p* G$ j6 f信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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  M, g  W: r. Q: s: j# W以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............2 D' |2 W% C  [' e" Q

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:. D/ b0 V% N+ U" U6 v/ t; h7 \9 ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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# e4 e* ^0 N0 f9 }! v: sActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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- e+ F3 u* k2 s% \; AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.