Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! Z4 M  D/ E( ~6 S- l. u! X; q1 ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人. F! p, g* Y* ~' S! M
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; |0 g( w% r. p- y  }" WNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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, C5 X9 x) N* o2 U! z7 B& c7 CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  n+ _8 K1 y" }. n, O* ^

# E5 x$ }- X" y# d! d$ f0 w6 ]0 ^7 rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....  j+ L4 B  x: W/ n8 E; f
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; z/ b2 ~* t5 R: R( }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人4 f; _& R! G& @2 y, c/ J
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:0 l+ M" j- b9 X; l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?, m# X7 q+ G8 r% ]
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 d7 E* _- s# P3 Y! b

; l4 f! ]+ J& [( a( fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* C. \3 E9 M4 D2 d9 D
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% B0 W$ w" Z$ r* R
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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1 G: d. E% K0 U3 {1 v"不信也沒損失"
6 `' C! T% z; d3 L- \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- N9 F- n. x# n* Y- s2 G8 w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......' ]5 B+ I- ^9 [- ?

! `$ C2 M2 y* J& d5 j) e& jit's starting because we have sins......2 u" y; X$ k# a' Q; w: m
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 W: k; @7 Q* I: l, o0 l4 C只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" f3 W5 |5 e! p8 S. j/ x: q用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' V' M4 g( @" o8 p這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 W- Y; R: }* H2 R如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& N- U# w3 n& d! z" J& G' Y$ h而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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' h9 X- `# j2 `6 B! k. c* b$ y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 u* D3 U8 h' ?5 R/ ?0 A8 q( v; `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,( w: S, m- S  z! c8 j4 F

) k% O' S+ @! j0 p) ~/ |一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
# |$ f! U7 p/ I2 U5 c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, s7 F# Q, K! z6 {8 Z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: i1 Q# {& p/ {  D, L7 d
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,/ T5 \2 T, ]. K. \
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# i3 Q2 s& {3 L- M1 I) @信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' O2 ~, L% X6 G

; g( [) p0 X" P4 A8 b/ V0 {不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" |* a' o% K% E0 |2 T0 R8 y- D) y  A
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:/ e+ x# u! r9 j6 g8 I3 {
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.