Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. h9 {& H- F. V5 s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人6 v2 f$ r% j2 b( j+ y1 Q+ H
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) @5 [! x; |3 o道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( C# y; y9 O5 G$ Y" k, d呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!& }6 G+ {  v8 ~( o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 G8 M+ `1 S$ Z( R

, Z( Q/ J; t* wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
' m- T& y" E4 U+ Ucheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  w7 E& c* \  Z# z, I我只不過微小的基督徒...................' A. O, M  x) m5 ]# Y/ z
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
9 T: ^9 `6 Y4 @0 D  M以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
2 Z' C) C0 q( N# M3 y4 b( U# A3 n在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' T7 j8 G$ R4 jWhat a statement we have here?2 O$ ?: i+ l! D5 D2 j6 Z( e

# [* X$ K9 i4 S; |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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& m  }1 K- a' z5 r3 y7 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo% b  g& u% k, g+ a8 V0 t6 ]

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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& e* q6 x- w/ B# q0 Y"不信也沒損失"  O4 R  L4 X( {2 a- L7 j; I
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ J) c5 B/ l+ H- ^( ^: c4 \but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......4 ?: T' j  h+ [3 Y! P7 C

& z* d( {" i! c: z* R: \3 r/ @% W7 i8 Fit's starting because we have sins......
2 {- t& F3 r' o3 ?# }" \9 ksatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 1 {; O- a; L! x$ j: n1 I" |
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
5 C  A. ?8 o2 A2 h& \. m: Q+ Q1 {7 [這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& D; _5 O- v& e0 {- V' O* ^0 q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 i# {% ]" R& k: [而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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2 w' h) j$ e8 M9 `" s導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" n/ q. a! N  p4 V5 t% X) d$ J6 Z7 x好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, z% s/ q: j+ j$ ^; g) L
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! g( G( z0 B3 f8 _) E
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法) Z' u4 p1 ?! h% E
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) B, j7 t: Z/ l# B. J4 e8 h吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* f9 }, @! ]& M* H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干( j; n6 [) S8 `6 o8 ]' Y* i0 Y

* U; Y$ q3 J4 R以下是其他人的見解,
: r2 v1 n9 g9 J看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% \; P+ F+ k' c# W
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm% t3 ^* T. A3 N$ H

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 M( n% L/ \5 E, D2 O$ C不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! B. W9 {2 W# S8 f% z; s7 {5 V
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& x# l4 {+ }2 e.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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8 p9 y" g! a! B$ k: Y; F% |8 l. FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.