Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* X. f, F; y, D6 D+ s* x: |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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" k/ |# D0 s  J. g7 V道理我知道好多只係做吳到* }; o9 }* H5 D' U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!* N3 w; \, E, z. A

, u9 a& d9 G2 ^+ RNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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! U8 S8 l. c  A( j* gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....+ m; j+ \/ a1 r6 X# w/ W# j, S. i

$ M1 [3 b9 J' ~5 _6 j0 @; zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 v- K: o2 I; `& X" c3 X, n0 \/ \4 bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!/ ]2 ~4 p6 T" J. D
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人' B% L+ g3 X+ x- q0 H" g7 ^1 C
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% X% x- z$ n- D: ]建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, _* o" |. `% {! D8 ?What a statement we have here?  O5 C8 O5 _5 a, }. j# X# m% U
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., f8 \* X: c2 l; D% G/ M$ c+ e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ r. Q$ W, [" i' e# d. ~

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"# R7 a; F8 K1 F
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 T1 w1 U1 Q! cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* o0 t* C8 X" ^* X8 S  z, W: L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* v2 S! P# r3 N6 |
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,6 ^3 W. [3 T$ h+ X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
" n; U) Z0 r( c8 f如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# I: Y4 o. j+ g而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# b0 D0 s! `$ j% i- f$ ^2 s% P; D& _5 C3 B

4 p) A, m9 y  t- u% V9 J1 G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 ~& x) [: |. Z' o; O, F5 _
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,- x1 m7 {# S3 W2 U
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; h$ n. I9 H* ~美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
3 S8 O; H6 f! N4 J, |; j信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ i1 g+ z- _1 }) K/ A以下是其他人的見解,
! g* [& T8 I; j2 a* W看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 y+ D: q1 B7 e! t信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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. j0 x9 a6 p$ ]( @  o不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 N; Y& ]; d# u* I6 V& Z1 N1 e
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
! l* W, I+ D; @& U; U# U* C.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 z  G( b' v4 x& e" t  D* ?; J
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.