Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 {$ I' \+ n/ h, p% G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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; d/ R( g6 N1 h- W$ ZNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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$ _- ^8 I2 m4 K1 S- B7 Amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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9 X' P3 S6 _. b3 `2 n: F2 D& s* qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 Q. s. W5 ~' J. O4 `( J1 z5 Fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' {. _8 ^: n" W. E: T4 h# ^
我只不過微小的基督徒...................0 e! n  B! _& K/ R! ?) G3 H, B
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 X4 c& d3 i3 E, s" I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,% n0 a) y4 @; H- [. H+ }( a" ]
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" ^3 ~( F+ l. {( l* A: ?建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- h1 o% @' O  B3 C2 KWhat a statement we have here?( A- `* K6 i/ F- |  M8 S

: G/ f- z- h) JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" A. a$ j- H' [8 k6 H( [) e+ c2 `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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) _# ?+ i2 U9 GLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 _/ r: k  Q. d' w& h9 Z" [2 F( Z4 U

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* e8 _2 X( X% e' v% N5 V
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% M% n, K9 Z  u% l3 W
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
- \) L3 H* s, c; Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; d( K$ b2 d% g" v" N( y7 Lit's starting because we have sins......1 t8 ~5 \0 l& e
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 4 o/ U  t9 F' L2 \5 Z- W8 `
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 D6 F8 d& W$ ~( Y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, R& t" F' g% {
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- k3 N  v; L" i/ x/ r9 S9 G: {2 v
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全9 x7 J! }- v5 b' F. T# m( _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ I0 ^. [. t7 G5 Q
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 P  I  r. T9 L# w. d0 S# m+ p

- y9 k; v7 ^% X' H  J# J0 O' v6 Q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; Z3 l* u# `  f& u& |. N$ `好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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6 M0 ^7 U& X; Y8 I; z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...3 h# k3 m+ u/ i1 ^$ z: \6 j
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
# J/ f2 E" ^+ I; [. i信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ w' u, n- s8 t% K
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以下是其他人的見解,
9 y" x. g: U8 B4 e9 v2 o- }看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
; `1 P* M& C9 c7 N# chttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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, r: ?2 Y# d& z4 n" p" f. X信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' L9 S" C0 O+ |! Q: T/ R9 Q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 @9 U# ^* l; c, O9 i

. C0 {" b0 R; K% d" _我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:1 X* Q* R/ _$ J2 j7 @- I: d( S
.............信耶穌... ...

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5 `0 j4 f5 L, h2 ?* V8 o, xActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.