Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: {/ I; w7 @( Y" O4 V( i1 w3 `
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
# J8 S2 O! M. S9 i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 k& [& a7 I) K5 [1 Z5 S道理我知道好多只係做吳到
% i& E5 x- [* L1 l7 V, j" b呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 F$ t4 S7 p7 H' T# y+ MNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....# j) r# u* t; v. l# L5 v

. h5 w, r8 F5 S8 x, G% |% M( ]/ ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 r7 p8 n" a4 H, n( Lstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....' u- k6 U' F0 s3 Y: R
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
. {: x. h! B7 t2 U, v我只不過微小的基督徒...................
5 Y  [( V) s; @$ s. c真的!!這不是反話
" |5 F2 S! X/ O9 I因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
5 X- v7 A; V$ u* e) s' W1 G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" c- ]7 E& ^) t4 \在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 O- f+ s# ^) ~. i
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? * @% O4 Q. Q- ~& B( R/ w

) h9 R9 s  P0 c6 K3 l* u, f* YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 L- Z3 e- h8 r+ P% L- {

! }$ G: _0 d' k% R& [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo1 P2 G) h& x' s+ r. z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: e: U, D1 r; D; Q建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
0 h' o% G1 d" Z8 s5 n" DYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
, a! r+ v' T$ q* n+ kbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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; C+ @% m( P# p8 g% O8 Y9 Zit's starting because we have sins......4 ]2 r2 k6 [: g8 x. C* I3 {( G; q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
2 u' c3 x; s5 |our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 A' N5 s2 e8 N! X* z; o
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
/ F$ E$ i! o- i* s. A( y! g; k3 Y用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, M% J, T/ Z. ~0 J這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  `. G: h( o6 m+ _, K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
) P0 h: Y% ?5 B( T8 V$ W* l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# h& D$ x$ S' p2 o; X
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& ?" b9 A. l+ }) z, Y/ r: r; S" Y宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,! o* N$ l* H0 Z0 F* T
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干2 n) I: K' |; X" a0 V

& Y/ H+ M$ w1 Q8 F以下是其他人的見解,. b/ L0 i. v; k. c# r6 g
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............) _. @8 S, r; u. G: u

1 f7 n- \  h$ \: `6 b信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!3 w* E5 v; B) p  ^5 ^
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
" Z: f+ t4 A2 {6 T5 U.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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* X+ ]" v- l' D1 X& M9 _& f( I/ P) p; tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.