Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:. Y" i7 `2 q9 k( k% h! P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) z3 ?/ r* S/ {2 G! g! n) O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; A+ A' a6 m0 Q& {- Z4 T+ ~
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% u) K7 g0 a3 n; W% v+ p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 }7 I5 _8 m6 x# ?9 ^Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!' r' W4 b) l! U+ W5 C# u

' f% I8 X3 E! z' E9 R: Z& f2 P+ FNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 \  Y5 }0 r$ _% a* d; E: r3 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 @9 k8 O0 V' I2 q8 E& E

0 b0 Y8 \( d! }" U7 `% K2 kstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....) P  Z5 p, `. f4 A- F
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 F3 E* J- X# ^7 u% w我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 Q) ^( e( v& [( c9 g& q
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,4 u4 {- ^" ]/ w$ g0 H! I3 ]# g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,' s7 h$ P0 U5 k- o4 k8 e1 q
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 p. w: x6 l1 ?3 F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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$ [# n# ^7 F8 O' \What a statement we have here?0 t6 X; Z% Y6 o; H0 S6 p

, _: h5 S0 x! p; r* bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) y8 J+ n7 O3 x* F. c3 l* a

  ~5 o7 I# V7 v! CI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 H. ^% F( i: q& ~* ~
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
1 Y% b: q; J5 ]* w  K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"% W7 {8 T! J3 T1 x0 d
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ d3 P! |* u' G7 l/ |+ p" S0 e
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( n* l( W8 V2 e# ?: P  _

+ x/ f1 g% y4 M' n, H) qit's starting because we have sins....... p& [: F; U9 `5 v- t. q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - Z4 B1 _' [" a% G6 f" ?0 W; c
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"- A- i9 [, ^0 G; V0 }
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* Z9 a; x% Z* r
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
1 c9 u$ R; f8 q! F5 ^  }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 `' P9 S/ u2 s& l6 c如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," u  b6 t  F% y# l
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 k1 C5 ^0 G+ ]

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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 J% V; G; u! }# I
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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" m0 {" |& t$ [; J美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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% N# @1 Z8 s# N# b4 _; J6 u, l宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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* h) y/ {+ G  E3 [. E/ `- Y, D5 [吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# [: _7 Y' S4 _  e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 I$ i) X% ?  V% ], y5 i9 n/ o* }
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以下是其他人的見解,
7 O. R2 n2 |. M* o  G2 r9 P9 r* b看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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7 b1 z; m) }2 _5 u4 V) O[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% Q1 J8 Y0 ^+ a; _# p. c
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; V$ v1 c! d: b# f
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  K: M) Q2 h2 f9 X5 w

9 l& F: k( S( n6 }: {( ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) V3 z& U# N( p8 ^3 g& F' e6 E
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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5 C, c3 F# ~5 V; F$ H6 tActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....: q# s: p2 b  f% E# z  _
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.