Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:/ R' u8 U# p: A4 p* e" g" X3 T
我係一個連自己都吳信的人# {" |. a' q) K/ i' u# _) S1 c
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢( v9 d* t1 {# S, m4 {
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' j& p' q7 E, w& I2 f
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; |; |5 r! F. u+ X/ rNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 x2 Y9 U2 |; \; w$ Y& [/ A/ b/ mNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....& A! g( ^3 @% R+ q: l6 n. |1 T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  F/ U5 v* P1 B. i2 H* I. X我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 ~6 l& T" d4 k/ q% `: I6 J$ s0 K
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,( L8 e. K* e1 V3 j2 M  F- l' E! l5 E% C
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 S& l% I" Z. C
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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( d: S9 K; ?9 }What a statement we have here?
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1 F* U8 N# z6 X; ]9 f: VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 R  Q* N, t1 e, a' p( a

2 P: B7 B/ Y. a7 ^% z+ EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.$ n0 i# q( Z! X% ^6 n- B+ G2 [/ T7 }

  ~! j; m# y. I' H4 O# c0 [Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 _8 |% ?! F5 x9 R$ ^建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
/ P) ]9 A1 Y4 B0 \. Y* vYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- J% c) K. t& h9 W+ c! I
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 M8 M/ Y8 _4 e5 ]; C
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it's starting because we have sins......- F) [' |/ L9 ~
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % B/ Z0 W# A/ H" t& o0 Z' Q; D* n7 O
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 y$ Z) ?+ e: u6 E& `5 m& _只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,$ B0 G) x# S2 f5 k2 Y0 j
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,  X$ j2 ?3 V6 d, \: O+ E; G. k
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ {, j) J+ E: Q# j7 p2 Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,+ t! h* ^2 n) A5 r( Y  {3 R" f0 X
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~0 d" l( u  L, U5 O) p

3 E- Y, ^: {# x+ N導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
" l+ a) E6 n3 i9 [. ~好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& b+ e' L6 O8 i: `
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 b, c' g  ]3 |0 F. R8 C改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
7 u- @6 e) P  R. ^美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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1 F+ @# I3 N5 r  I2 Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* H. ~# a8 ?; i4 K
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 q6 o9 w. A% P! D  }! U* Z% z不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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9 |# `3 @3 X3 i# o' S& G我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
& x. d9 ]2 ?) m, X8 A.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( {7 p+ a+ N5 z! v

2 H( Z: \+ g& wActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.