Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 F7 ^3 a9 [3 F7 v+ i, ^0 q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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. C7 N& P, Z) Q$ n% q. {Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 Y; Y, n& |6 L: x8 ^+ w7 s
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' M5 m1 ^: Z% p/ ?5 K# {0 Y3 d

$ b% e0 O& _1 B" ^- Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....8 P# y5 v' k1 r5 I6 T0 G* d) ^1 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話8 y  p/ j( T" {) A# j
因為我是情感比理性強的人7 y6 l/ s. @2 D  @# h& n* r' d
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: n' c$ {2 h4 e5 c6 i- X
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 \" S7 L: u7 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 u5 a4 q4 H6 M0 x! b+ D; {What a statement we have here?
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) s$ f( {  Z2 XJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + L% Q: p5 ~+ E$ ~# _: ]! U; K) b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.6 p8 R. G' H& a) N3 _9 [
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; ^  {, U- p! J4 D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  N% U5 y2 E' h% c% }) t"不信也沒損失"2 E) {; |3 E% a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others....., _4 A5 H0 T7 A1 u! Q/ j
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......$ L$ L, [: d4 s! c

. J2 Z' e# C" E5 U4 P' hit's starting because we have sins......: ^1 }3 h- y1 F; B9 s" K
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ y  r  I% N  @) b( s! Wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% J2 X8 A' ]: ]3 L
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# E: ]4 q* K# R8 o
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* r" \, |% s. u( g2 }4 D這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全4 {" x5 v- {5 {  V4 }4 q% J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 Q& z  s6 W3 x6 m9 T而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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! ]+ s4 n1 A7 C% u導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,* O1 K' e! H9 G- w) I5 Z2 x8 E
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," j& ~6 c6 e0 ^& V$ a% N$ X

4 k' ]+ U' {) @+ {8 [7 ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& [5 Q1 \, |5 S3 X" \
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法* L+ ?4 |" Q5 V- s
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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, z- G0 C' {( |* k( h/ H& f1 }宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& t' w, \" e+ p1 X4 ~; b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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# t2 f# @7 G  w以下是其他人的見解,; U  r& k0 y/ }. J+ v+ a4 I& K
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 R% b7 N( D" O, h2 R
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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2 Z4 N0 O+ {7 d- h# Y  p信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!" l) u) s/ I" \4 ^

! A! x' z) j6 i: {9 S5 K不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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% o* B; E5 h. p6 K: X, p' t我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!, u1 y. ~$ h: `
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 f7 O3 Y8 ]) s! v& b8 Z+ @' @.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.