Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:) j. m& E# I5 u9 L' ?
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) B, L+ L$ f# I; Z' m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. f/ v& p  V, S' Q( Y$ h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
! S3 R: Q( V& m: i4 |( o9 o呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) R4 [5 @) V/ p5 l5 N8 m

' e. ~+ u# B- N) Y2 S7 dNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 w1 C: U8 u; ~2 v8 ~7 j6 D$ u

: c9 y9 p0 t% r/ omr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' q2 A9 S' o7 nstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
% Z8 w% a% @6 B1 M' ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* z% w/ A3 _3 s* N1 ~
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. E( [) f- m4 e
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...$ b! `. }0 p8 a' c
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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$ o3 q' n- S8 X$ I6 |# U5 _- {Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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& B, l; P" k/ O, f1 |- j3 |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo5 r& E- O6 `0 F  x% Z

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 B4 b3 a. X$ p0 N"不信也沒損失"7 h1 X! Q# z) u$ Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
/ ^+ k+ s( w  rbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......., O- E( w+ Q; v

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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ! Q" [% i/ u# m! [% S- Q1 a
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 F( [3 s. J4 a; s3 a) ^只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,7 Y3 ?& |6 U, P. N! R0 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,) i# B2 g4 C3 p+ V8 `
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
+ x4 o& L* Z4 P5 E$ |$ V8 G0 H如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 y+ ~1 g8 a8 Q) C
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# h+ e/ x! j" P
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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* `2 e2 W7 ^; B4 u0 ^% ^一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' B6 }1 F" i& F. {改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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% B% b  O* ^6 I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
+ j+ n' Q, Y. P+ X信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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5 B+ C$ h4 k% r5 A9 F1 K4 m以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' n: z& z' I0 z6 _, ^# h% E
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!+ h$ @5 U% |$ [( J  B! t
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!' \/ B) y3 V5 }. ~" m$ W/ D3 V
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" J/ |) I: ]( w
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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/ ]% E' H8 a$ v! NActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.