Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:5 J6 f9 j4 b/ N3 B; E
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
$ @3 C( D& R# Q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! q- h8 l; h/ c! I7 ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
( D# {1 L9 U5 x5 `5 y呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: |; M* k; |/ i5 r) w. c
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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8 r( @1 d5 k1 @( w! O5 F- C) cmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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, e. u% \' `/ l8 f/ j. m5 i$ F! vstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" N) m) U. U% _  `$ c# zcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
6 }: X* z) T: n+ e. P我只不過微小的基督徒...................; C, |+ ~& R% K0 i" }" J6 i7 f
真的!!這不是反話, m5 n& I5 ]; l: F
因為我是情感比理性強的人, p* g, o, i6 @! O
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
# [) d6 ^% N" l. T' h以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,+ f; o0 d; E. D3 i+ ^! O  L
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.../ l+ P! F+ V# F+ O( F5 v
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:+ K  v& U7 o2 i+ f
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! N# D4 D( o( H$ |* @3 F( b
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., i) z" j3 s4 }: q7 t0 R
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo  E& m# m& L! R8 @2 z6 g  Y. x
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:* }7 R/ @  C3 l7 o* X. |5 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
; a" l: F0 f# g) mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: a% \/ E& l- @
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& D+ d) ^8 j8 b: l1 X

. G2 f* K9 A/ c8 `$ O5 |9 qit's starting because we have sins......4 q' t$ T0 i5 \. G2 M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . P! o6 w- W. s& C+ }* e* b0 m
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 b3 h9 ?9 U: ^  k只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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' R3 r! ?7 `( d6 J, k; p9 M這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 B$ l9 G8 f% K: C
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,# E8 D6 M) V: x
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~$ @; e1 m7 d8 y# z
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,, k: P6 e( p2 k  A
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 j# O, J1 s1 f$ s! i& Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
& w7 y& z- k$ F, U3 Q+ a改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" Q5 U- k6 z/ e- u  g2 v/ D. k美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...5 c3 l: G  p" _" P* h
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1 _# d# f! t' I吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 J5 u7 k  D6 \! ?) O% x; o  k8 n
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!( K- b: G( Y/ I4 h1 P( @1 \$ z9 Q

5 s4 [4 x" Z1 U4 y9 f$ l) d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- j; M. }3 l7 J

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
$ |: z# X6 a% J.............信耶穌... ...

; h: b2 d3 u' k3 P' eRegarding the resurrection...., |) p# u% u7 e$ u9 p; T9 `8 Y/ K

: [) J4 D+ S2 F( Z" FActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....4 S: C3 i2 V5 l% ^

% m4 f/ p7 K/ N; {& h& [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.