Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:& `* M0 W( D$ ~7 j$ I  J2 O9 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!: P, }2 {/ I+ \2 T+ g; ~
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....$ u3 v2 T* x3 n& R# Z. `

* U( h, C) m6 f, qmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( V; U' O" p: N5 d8 q5 s2 K) y# Rstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!5 D6 Q: I% q. _
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
; {2 F. z5 e6 K  w/ A. J以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," ?9 u0 i4 ^  X; B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ v, |" J' k5 n
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 E8 o8 b% Y# F( N1 G" u
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:9 m9 E. F7 u! h2 T- p# Z. y6 J8 B6 c$ _
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ v4 l7 R& O3 k( r/ S4 y"不信也沒損失"
2 A; _  ]; P7 J! M4 bYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
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it's starting because we have sins......9 Q4 A& X* F: E6 ]1 F+ u( d
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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  b1 O: S: G/ X$ q導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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6 Z3 E* V) D, ]5 M8 Y- Z" ]一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
2 u1 q* Y& x4 a! o) n, ]改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
5 O% K: m9 X2 p1 Z美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,2 H$ G2 P$ C6 p) ~4 \3 `! \) u9 l/ w
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ e" L3 l7 \: p. D5 }$ g8 R: n- X
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以下是其他人的見解,% E, ~! O* d1 ^  w$ ~
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: p6 U: U* s2 K! V" }! P
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ F+ [, t' W5 l6 G6 M4 R0 j% G
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!7 M1 R" N9 [! K7 \6 Y9 k+ J
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 Z! m4 D$ a% b6 ~5 W. B

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ a: G, I" A7 K5 q
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....) h( j2 D* H! _  w0 L

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.