Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* Z, ?1 M7 P# [% q3 b* B
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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+ I# R- {3 O: q$ l道理我知道好多只係做吳到3 \: t( d  i$ E) E9 S
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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+ A2 x. U6 H/ V* I. Z! H: W( tNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  P" {5 `2 ?/ A/ S  k  m

+ o: @2 Z! t5 n- V2 t1 ?mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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; M0 b. R& F: n1 L& Hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 y6 s! x, z- s! h4 Kcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ W1 F  \9 @; t# `& w. p: t0 Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................  k: n0 m' t' K+ b  X
真的!!這不是反話9 f$ K/ f  Z. E7 U1 b! ^1 m1 J, [
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- n& g3 b8 y+ p) D. A" q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ W6 k0 B+ O. ^) i. yWhat a statement we have here?% P' t' C* j( k  K- W9 `% S6 a+ t* `

- P% R  V6 y$ RJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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. j. @6 P& G' jI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.  N) _% u" E# ]0 ~% D  }$ d
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ g& u; W8 r8 P1 P5 {
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  \. T" _2 c% i% ^5 t7 N"不信也沒損失"
4 x# g0 p* Y$ n* b; ^Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 d3 S$ g! G7 }$ T- h9 d
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD........ k* f1 f- p" U) E! I; S  Q; x

5 b' }0 ^, D+ Rit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". h, v) K# b8 O/ I5 o  a. P
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* L" I: b8 g: i" V& ^$ N2 {$ |: N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 s' p) K& S6 f1 C. K9 A" R這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 g0 n; ]$ ]! u" L, b2 `  I" u如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
5 W1 i3 _. ~9 x, G( X而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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" W; v/ }# u1 i. G8 Z  ^7 X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,& W3 P+ k" ]% [% R* J! j: M: g$ r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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6 W  Z- R; U+ [) L! J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
6 x, d, s& @; }- _( m9 L+ v信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% C$ u: d5 J. Q; `4 ~

  s& @1 n, F8 a0 Z/ Z以下是其他人的見解,& ^3 Y9 J: Z& j2 J4 u; M% {
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤+ \. q  \7 c4 `0 H- {
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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! A' O. i1 H9 A3 n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!5 `: g% b0 [* c+ I

+ o. _3 z! B' A, ^9 o( o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- ]- e4 q5 M* R  G- q同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 o# _# I+ ~( l$ A% d.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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: i8 ]0 `) T, z8 d2 r; I& UActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.