Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) {9 c% j& M, ?- K$ Y2 j0 o7 |我係一個連自己都吳信的人: l0 u/ n% f$ c% w, W
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
- ]0 Q3 _) Y5 |) R5 j/ ?道理我知道好多只係做吳到
# F2 D; U* j: S) V( x呢D就係做人的悲哀

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2 h$ N) Z8 f' x" I# }/ Y3 }+ TNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) o( `5 R% w& `2 O9 r
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 D! s) I  o. q6 i. f3 c' c

2 i2 b( u) j$ h* m; n: |2 t: Jstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# O6 n7 A8 o& R$ l0 f5 e
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!$ \9 J; J5 q. P# r7 z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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' Z* Y$ U* E: \8 y: u* d: K+ B- W  e所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
% n) x7 n4 Q7 ]6 I3 G以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,6 ?% g. I& x3 C, P6 P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...: q( J+ m: K# z4 Z' F6 C# H
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! S  d2 Y5 f4 v) L" P
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ f/ l' x, q& t  M6 ^$ qWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # h4 j' d  s. Y; P1 i. u) R
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.; F" f/ s- b! M4 h# j7 ^; q
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# D# T  P- A; x6 V/ a
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' b, Q/ t# C- }, j; e) t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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1 A( ?$ G" F/ j# P6 ?4 e8 e"不信也沒損失"
' j& C  v0 k0 _( \: Z0 w. l7 S# _Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... G  X# p  N6 ^2 b. D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......8 T' }' i& H$ |' h% |; ~
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it's starting because we have sins......
# {6 x2 u. K- b5 P. Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
8 ~/ y2 p, v' Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"2 M/ [5 v. u6 V" r* f4 z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全) |* R* @0 e- {  m1 N: {
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 T5 J6 |3 D3 b2 j! ^7 _8 r  [9 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  V( q4 Q& U, U3 o9 e

& w2 T$ _2 _$ {$ ?) k/ t導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," U% \7 t  `* i0 F" |; ]$ E' F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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+ S$ m( c5 H2 [1 d6 s一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 Q0 k7 U# |& r9 B" r; C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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  y1 K. D; g  `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
" c! q) H1 B2 }  {' A8 N信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ Z6 R# n7 @: R- N
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以下是其他人的見解,5 c& O2 B  V( ^7 b0 H  T" X
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............9 g$ X+ M/ R0 B8 F. B& q: J

: k+ u; J9 V0 e9 H; g  W( I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 O  b; H  G) y. X

' K  J9 |* e( v7 W! M不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 A- W9 ~- j. F
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
) v  R* E% K, t5 r8 J+ P.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....5 a. S2 D, A' {. Y0 m9 Z' l

1 p+ a( Q" Y% D. F+ S  |Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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7 f* y" |6 B" h2 i1 f' b0 hYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.