Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  ?. c" [8 ]5 ]( x. z* c
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 c  i* `& p3 P- V5 a又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. S) Y3 y8 _0 [; B! G! W8 k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到% S, A9 `$ B$ x6 v9 }
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ c. T+ w0 Z& U# x' z5 ]- b' q

: K2 {  \* {0 M* ^1 HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....- j3 k/ V. H% j% V% \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 l, z0 L6 |! zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 M/ ^, h  ]3 ?* v( |6 a9 g7 H# ccheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
) q8 Y( ]6 c) G8 M6 e+ _& N我只不過微小的基督徒...................
# i) W6 r1 S5 ^( k. J/ Z/ }) _真的!!這不是反話+ B0 U7 Y7 ?$ ^# E
因為我是情感比理性強的人* Q1 _+ y4 S, m- p: p, e) ~( y
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 W0 ^3 H/ q# _, T: T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
4 r7 f% r- V3 S5 y+ l0 j% c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:; i3 Z2 S! w" P* o9 M
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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2 @' E0 v- h0 k' r' T) jWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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) {8 N+ y& t4 C( u# p+ hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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6 E9 w" S/ Q" nLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' n$ t2 V  z7 M& Y8 g

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
2 q8 ^" k' G9 I! a建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"- Q1 K  n: y% f5 R! y5 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
8 q5 v0 r8 ^  B2 b( Pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 ]; z& `# u+ e" u6 Sit's starting because we have sins......
/ d- n$ ~) U" G/ q/ v( k! s0 @satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
* S5 B+ a, z; e2 Gour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ a- w5 m1 n9 S: g8 R, t; Z" D只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,, l9 i+ z4 }, V. z- t
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' W  N1 w; J. c' e這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
& e' b4 A! J4 E7 n8 n# n% D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- V" C) }3 k$ c而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) r) ^0 e  W# S2 b( W2 ^

" a' H2 V1 D6 y! |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) V  n8 D1 n) ?7 \! D
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,/ m" r3 j# Q8 c. g

. _, T; e8 r2 a# b一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
, r- L' u: ^# F2 p# C# Z# V改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  a- T; u: J$ z/ z# i* B美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ c6 }+ Q. \/ J/ R* m1 ~
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 H4 y1 b- I. Z8 P% G" z
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............0 D5 S3 z* _9 y7 p2 q$ M+ ^) {

( c6 r, X) ~  k6 a' B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; E. v% g' m# m) {% X& P. e我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:7 R+ Q! S5 b: e; S
.............信耶穌... ...

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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 U% W% T* X6 P$ JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.