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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
1 N0 U# G2 ^# n1 kWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???) C; P. r, \! E( j1 A
I was so confused.....
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( q2 k0 ~# X/ \5 G+ q% A講到尾都係賺錢) G8 r7 c- X! ~0 O6 c1 V& R
so銀行可以不斷放款
$ L1 T' r8 N( u2 n; y# S美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界; E- S* k( D+ E$ r7 Q3 \

0 Z0 f0 `; d1 g5 ^* g* emortgage loan / H; A4 `& i1 v( F; x* q
>conduit+ x. U3 c1 r5 E$ Z2 n
>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities): E/ z2 q1 d* b6 ^- T
>arranger6 S+ @& C& t9 l0 M
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
4 c$ b7 O  k* P  q7 r0 rCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,1 v6 `" f2 H2 ~4 A
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.7 _5 h, }; Q$ h& k; M" l3 r
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
6 q7 U$ H6 d7 W7 I' E  hin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.* s' z! G% t9 [! r$ V- v/ G4 a
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
. ^. C  k9 Z4 j6 V8 z) t  e3 Rsimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,1 v+ U* g& }' R' g/ G
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # E' N0 U3 V$ A* Y/ K, V7 E
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
0 h! U! U! \( ibanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.5 k5 G' [: h' O7 o$ S) c

7 R4 l3 {: F  I7 H. b; xim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.: Q) g4 Z: x: Q9 S% i
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
  O$ g1 v  i. f. q  o, ^For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,0 b, p( c, E4 D
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
: G3 O( W, i5 K( A& \The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 7 _, @: G* y! d
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 D/ R' Y4 X$ d9 C( rRefer to last example,+ v& ?6 }! c# T/ N+ z* ~/ j
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
4 q7 B: u0 e& r5 G- G) WBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand ! Y, |8 v" u! z+ v5 q" I7 O
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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0 `2 L7 u6 W7 \% S7 @1 \; HA->B->C->D->E8 r' i9 I  Y* _) H6 T
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, ; l' C! j6 M& [# ?  E
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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! B. u. _: O* d. l. a8 @1 T. D1 N+ ~, Ithe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
6 h4 d! w" T2 T# ?/ M' L, j  l4 Rin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' I  u% S" s' ~4 W/ ]; bit's the problem of the debt itself.8 T; Y$ J, J/ o0 B8 |
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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6 s# n! Q/ a" ^+ F9 F全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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. U) E. Y7 C+ k% Y( U/ P% o! Q敬請各師兄解答( c4 C$ k  T  ?' p2 ~# j0 h6 \
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
, F9 V4 [1 z4 @" E5 K+ g- ~各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic, B; @' p2 P5 [& T3 @6 ]* F- P

. X) C1 q* a; h7 a8 jhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
# _9 {, p" P* H/ L. M1 F當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
: F; c6 e3 A9 R. x於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊" C' i' P: y$ M0 z
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
$ n$ _  o7 m4 ]+ i扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
, R5 c) W, C" j) c7 f5 K2 ]3 y; a計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
2 i" K) ?5 Z' \( s8 R6 G前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
. }6 u4 W& b; B- T同埋個市場既前境要係好先得: Z# @3 C7 X* p  d1 x
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 @# D7 P' Q# H7 J; ?例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
3 g. K* X1 q  a. i9 |咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%, G3 J: M# `3 Q6 p0 ~' ^
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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) g) {* o" @0 C: f3 Z你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & L  B+ x9 S( s0 |" u  e
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
; m2 B: _8 I( K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, % A. M8 Q) x- w% J
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
- @$ v/ \2 u# U咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif$ I( Y5 W5 J+ Q# W! N* t9 v7 z
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
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- N  U3 |7 A; Y4 i+ @) N+ T呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行6 ]& I9 U. p# T- ^8 k  A" ?3 M- V3 [
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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0 T2 w: \/ U8 \8 {8 n正係咁樣6 n1 f5 H. ^, E
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業; r' k9 r3 k1 Y. m
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢  K% H! F3 V0 z: J1 b
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
" A& N0 b1 J* y  O' j, u連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
' i$ U5 l* W6 B: [; T1 q8 @一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
' h( c! V; B8 O編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! ~' R4 m5 s$ b. x2 B咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...* z9 L  t/ ~% k$ S2 W
因為以前未生產, 先消費+ W, G% {' D. E0 Z, Q
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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