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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
' f" R9 }$ j/ VWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???
2 A1 E! P% R+ v: t( |$ GI was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢$ d) P. ?; R8 Y% _& U! [
so銀行可以不斷放款8 P9 y9 V4 @2 C! `, ?3 q1 C. j- n
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界0 \% M% C( y" F% z4 Q: }
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mortgage loan
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0 j! A. K/ D4 |+ h' ~6 f$ C>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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% v9 S/ d1 [; \3 S>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)/ Q- S! v; v, y! X
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
+ V9 |0 }6 r# X7 j8 n: y4 JCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
( Y2 }( p$ Q1 i6 J% smore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
) t, |; e  M( r! k" Pmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
) B+ C3 A( v) q" W$ min other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.; I( s  q" q4 l6 _% D% q
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
4 |/ c& H. W. P& A8 T& a* `9 m7 osimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,8 V2 a/ U" o1 D+ \1 o
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 3 q' W% Y3 U, C4 \# f* [5 }
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
8 T. ~( {+ W0 H) N* {( s' \8 V6 A+ \banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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$ }' }- s# H& \% c) I. D! Iim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
: l9 P& [; b) }' F9 Vin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; T; r4 }% }! [# A# W0 r, GFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,; a# M6 s4 [/ n7 K
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
1 a9 m, ?8 j- y4 rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. : j# U8 o0 O6 ^" A; d/ O
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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3 x$ m! t/ V; f/ ~1 q  Q[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 t! P1 F, ^% S; h8 t1 J. ]
Refer to last example," d0 T4 r( V+ v, g, [
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
# r5 B; P3 s: M2 gBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand , K5 c  |. P/ f7 a& Y# E; a8 ]8 W6 d
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E
% ^6 b3 |. B) s+ Kso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
+ h$ U4 K: o. B& s1 g" A7 r( uall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# i  R; v6 k+ t& r5 r
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy, - u" W, B" A2 v- ?/ H& K
in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
! j1 o. f0 d; H( G4 P7 `* Zit's the problem of the debt itself.
5 V/ [% I6 j; ~$ x; h3 ^7 Ethe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* [+ q+ y9 B8 I& K+ r9 k* v
小弟一直都唔明...0 @( m% N# N! ]: V

' _9 R# Q5 w' X- W0 l) v全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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7 s% w2 s% t3 g- ^9 z# ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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) b/ d3 X/ A; |% d' @+ ~敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  
; ?/ r8 L5 I, |6 Q7 p. x. S各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產; V# B: C/ H5 w3 K/ w) G
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
. m* P2 l. A+ z於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊% d/ W. ~8 S* B6 o  |
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦' C+ E1 @$ p* P' I
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
! Z. g' c; M4 C9 ~計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
7 }; g* h+ r4 g9 E5 N前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法2 ^: ~& f# N: S1 g- U9 F# U
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; \5 J. g* ^) G* {1 I
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺  I1 d% _; L) u/ \9 i& {
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
1 u# \; g' F7 |+ C% Q咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%" o) _% E4 {! v( [0 I/ d0 i
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁9 E' \4 N; u: H" Q9 @

  c+ v8 P$ q' N0 R5 X你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
' K& X4 X5 }  c* K. [% P# O* P; W但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, : M: i" T8 R# [7 j
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
9 R) `6 y1 L' V! B  ^+ c呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行2 s8 d- W+ X# ]. x# u5 {
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif" U# x1 b: W. G. W0 @* _6 @
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, . M2 u5 v) n) h* [4 I! T1 e: Q0 o
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 V; j7 L4 i/ i/ X) L. H7 v呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
& B" t1 E  x6 v2 V8 D8 _* ?; H3 P咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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" s3 X  z0 _8 v  q0 k" X3 n) m正係咁樣* u  K+ i* @% k) t% I, r8 x# n+ e; ~
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
! m- \  [9 S' o+ C& B) z( Z! r分分鐘佢地唔使還錢4 D+ j2 z: }/ G+ h1 [5 V

0 P5 ~& A, \8 N. z+ U; L/ }再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 e! R3 {1 g4 Q4 B1 b8 P5 g* D4 E
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
0 X0 `$ q) l4 L4 `! e$ e一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產% ~% C& y  l! @
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 \2 w* {' c5 ~5 n7 R3 W咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
( I% j9 \! \6 ^因為以前未生產, 先消費! @: s: V4 X* T1 c" ?7 u' q) V* J8 r
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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