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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:$ z9 Z) z) U0 Q8 K
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:& E- f4 ?) c5 y1 s4 [+ q
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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/ O- M5 @1 g( C" T, @But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus. a* y7 Z3 q2 H
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維# C8 e) w3 E! m- X0 o- D
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.3 R* E3 }- Q7 P
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:6 D% y+ ]: [& a; N5 Z4 c& G1 I
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:+ r0 ]/ k8 Z( {2 C

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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/ X+ H& m1 T! t: _/ J他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:# N3 X. k. m9 Z8 w0 ?% M' F7 t, M

2 ], o8 R- m! a( T" M5 w( gyes, that's the point.

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