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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:: u4 w' k+ P  E4 R, e1 d# a
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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:/ k1 W) O8 c6 J% U- `
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- {" K/ X! m8 {6 Q7 e9 ^" f

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( T/ R9 ^' u- X7 o) c4 ?But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:: c# F, ~& p/ a& j- Z( k% Y

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why?% X7 @6 u2 \8 ~! ?

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see #22 Thus& H- B) D, \& I2 k
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->' K, N& y% k9 b) Q6 q
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維6 I& S0 L! U! R. n

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) F' _9 N" E, {  W) \. y6 b9 ]打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.! G1 h' }- E" p2 E: T$ }
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:. ^9 E8 j& \. l4 F$ t$ l3 }
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:  {- [" ^% M$ ?
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0 b. Q& I& O# o5 b3 X0 D. G) F( t- yAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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; s6 k7 \/ O7 H, B8 S3 z4 h8 Y他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:0 i8 n) v; u3 V8 Q
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......