Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
! M( A! u% K3 T7 J% S0 }, l4 x我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 R: P( p. r; G5 Y  B
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
! F/ P- U- b& @; v  F道理我知道好多只係做吳到7 m1 ?& z% t$ i- W/ L+ T( Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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8 j5 F3 t3 U( O9 |+ l* C1 [Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( y6 Q( ^8 j2 b2 D0 w2 s

$ N' @6 R( A, _0 [! e$ p. CNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies...., R7 y7 b) M8 v2 z$ m
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 Y* M7 m! Y2 G3 T; Y
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....* x! ?) K& h  `1 P2 G! v% f6 c7 {
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
% [& J* B) |& X$ w0 l我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 s8 ]! k* y/ R5 P3 D
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 Q; O. Y- U% S& t: v; I7 G' Q/ ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
( g# J0 C$ ^" y& I/ I5 R在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...4 z. V( n) E0 H4 {
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  i5 e) m" ?  n( w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 o2 f; D5 Q7 d) \' t0 y8 U$ Z: GWhat a statement we have here?
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- X8 Q% Q4 ]0 I, {2 GJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread., p7 L$ c! N$ }- Z) Y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& {* c( p3 _& v* a& [
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: d# ?* S8 l  F" r' }' v
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"1 B# @% O' o8 b7 W3 x: t
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....' y5 A/ V3 d. N& D
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......1 \+ i4 j! f7 x2 l; o
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us - g( p2 J  ^; G& a# ?' u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& V, o# i( p9 i+ @3 C. N這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. x* f0 \! C6 G8 [3 B3 z6 C0 Y
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% Q3 w! {8 s; l9 S4 b$ r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~# X& Q# g$ Q0 U* b
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,% F2 ]/ x' c- m  h+ s# U
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,& x* ~, y" R0 t  ?+ S
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
/ b* {8 q2 Y/ k/ b5 i1 Q改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
" |, i% G7 d% C: _美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...& B1 Q' X3 C9 t0 n* G# D& k

# Z9 i* e, E* n# M, r宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具. L( }0 O. z( h* w. y5 `& E" R3 s

% h" ]" t+ a. q( Z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ h/ u# t. f* ?7 L# i6 {
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 _7 k  z& F0 v4 x8 l( D# _: z( p& V5 c

6 J' ?) x8 [2 n' H5 N# V以下是其他人的見解,
) z2 g2 j% T; J- Y看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' r5 H3 W5 ^1 I5 O# E

$ t- f  E+ r" R  V4 \$ n信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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0 X, \2 r5 i1 N4 \% K1 I, c9 R不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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0 |2 ?4 k2 G" f6 O3 `6 k我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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! m" u2 d' |  T: P0 t同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:$ I/ c7 F: Z4 l% j
.............信耶穌... ...

+ v6 p* _2 Q" X1 xRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.