Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  b6 J; s7 q# ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人/ _, B1 k9 f- V. b- O
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢: y1 y+ y0 \. d# |7 ?* c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 \' {/ K- G+ @5 O5 i# M6 z3 `# g
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!+ D/ p4 A, ^  X3 m
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....3 |4 O1 L3 ~. x4 X

; J* h: r/ a/ S, n7 @mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....0 n3 S* r# V, a, K9 c4 ^% C
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 p( M! l& v! o: a+ Qcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 a! H* i1 p& M0 o9 K我只不過微小的基督徒...................1 o. e/ V6 f+ N' y' S0 `0 B7 n; d
真的!!這不是反話
7 z6 `3 B, A( b2 @5 [6 M因為我是情感比理性強的人
6 X# s7 ^  u2 q所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( Z' ^* N# H: i1 |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
& i* e& |: G4 p" r. O% Q在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 m1 M$ p  I. h
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
+ R$ d; c. n7 {* ]# y/ t8 p建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 E/ Q* `6 q5 z% m+ r9 y8 T

/ j( }, _+ G. Q$ tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.! I1 n, m/ H- C* g. x  y

: a5 _! L: c8 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo' u5 P, D0 i  H! s

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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/ A$ X5 A1 w7 {/ \) b  \* q& Y0 K  F"不信也沒損失"
9 I3 F9 }: x+ v0 y; oYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....# _+ q$ H; ~/ F! J+ q0 m$ ~
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 A3 b7 P# j( \; K  z$ ]/ R$ Y7 U# _

3 R3 x3 k4 t3 p7 l2 Uit's starting because we have sins......
: m9 F( U' M- e; G0 O( w+ Tsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
' N4 y2 E1 }# d0 U- m0 Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"% V. w; \. T0 p) O4 Z1 I% A
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
; j( j( A( d6 N! A用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
; D! K; L6 O1 {5 T% p3 S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全1 N( r$ k+ G( u( x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 `2 K5 I& S9 \- t- W8 \: \2 Z# G而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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& R6 v% N8 ?1 q% z3 Y導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: u3 _( J* }1 K# ?! [% o( c好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,: Q: P1 i3 E& h, ^! A2 C1 @7 p' v
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,* d* ]% K7 M6 T$ p3 e  ^. ?0 Y
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. E8 z) H5 A; [  q- X8 |
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...; R  F3 C" m5 r; H* \2 U$ ?
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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8 j3 `% v0 v( `9 `$ }吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; k% N5 o5 n- k2 H8 S# G
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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! L" U- v  v$ Z以下是其他人的見解,6 x: N1 B# z$ q  s8 |
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& p1 I  W- s" a/ u( C; ?! w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............5 |* f5 U& F& K0 W

8 z& B) {! S7 e5 Y; B信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!) Z# I# w3 ]* w

4 J) v  M+ {* _3 O$ n不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 g6 [; z1 U' D) G8 z0 I! l

+ A! S( E% `. Y# f' s) K; P我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, v" l' @* L/ y8 U% t, `# d% u3 F
.............信耶穌... ...

4 F  g: d* }# ]9 g9 F, K1 {7 JRegarding the resurrection....
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/ o! W/ O6 j; I3 O' eActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.