Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
/ F6 p& [2 G9 e$ h我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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' Z8 y: c% H! t$ tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....# i3 S4 C2 b) r4 F- U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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0 t) e- Q* f) pJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 ~! H5 A+ U  P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; l% C8 X) f  M$ |) S. G( f1 ~- E, [

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
5 j  p+ J! j1 X, }2 `! d! t! X! pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ h' L5 v9 h3 S2 hbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: [. g' D8 q( F( p5 Bsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"7 O6 W/ G6 f5 k' g5 @' U2 j: i
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; N7 ~1 w: [& _! i6 [" E
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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' [8 f+ F2 z( T2 m  U如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,: h% _* R1 H% o# p' `
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~9 {! x" W" N, U
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& q1 h( _. ?( H好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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8 f' l$ ^  j, L- M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
7 d4 H& {2 A- u* E" c改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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- r2 g0 v' n& Z0 |- X* f4 A" @) B以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" Z) c9 \" ]5 x* b3 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; ^5 w* s$ _4 L# r0 b  z
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ S9 a7 a5 L+ n" }; d) ?3 Y我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% j$ @2 K( F! g1 S.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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3 ]) o* O- |+ |, v- I+ JActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.