Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) K) H7 t1 `( X+ I3 o0 D我係一個連自己都吳信的人, `3 f) f' f) o+ X9 g
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢, A* P; G$ u1 t7 v7 [
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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, P6 A0 ^4 [9 e; J( DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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: v4 H5 d9 s% V! N  V1 BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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2 D' i% i5 x' L' g) s1 G9 u: a. J- smr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: Z' [  p3 Y/ Z# V8 Q

9 J* b% G. F& v9 }* B7 [struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....( G- s( w. i' s6 U2 n7 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!% R6 k! E( t) H6 _. T
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 L) s. W8 s* C/ y# E- u5 d6 [所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
/ m% e/ K6 D% _& @# X以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
/ i! ]! @1 @, K在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:  S2 o- G- ]' {' `4 ^2 W# H
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( F: w$ v$ C# g8 v3 Q# B/ }! CWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ; t' ]& X, S3 J; c) B: l

# b/ f; H( v7 _0 BI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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( W; _7 L' @( @; g, |Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo9 n% z# f1 Q( g% U& ]" O8 m; ^
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: }; O2 {1 ~! \4 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; n" P# H( w  l0 g5 b/ }"不信也沒損失"5 {) }5 }: B: z0 U7 I+ T! F7 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
% [: u8 ?. _& `1 ?3 abut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......4 z* j* x3 J: }5 w% z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
" G, F: b' P& e; |, T8 four jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"# ~7 u2 d& y- L- d
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
- F% F9 X. i& l- U( T用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
7 a( y. H5 o0 I! b+ H0 n) \這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% H% w# `& J5 k; o$ y% ?. D
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,& @9 ~. f4 q% l. D4 |" }' D+ K
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 M- s9 q9 }, H  ]0 J5 {3 v- z

' M9 H/ Y- }2 S導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
+ _2 S4 j% N% o/ @6 ?$ j* l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* u- {9 B2 j/ w" ^

5 |/ d% P+ x" h. S0 t& M一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' R* D, v* d! s: B, F9 S; Y5 F/ r改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法6 U; n+ m1 {) l
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,4 f. l6 r/ v! g$ H
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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" R  _' {+ x( f( K+ o& S8 r0 e以下是其他人的見解,) J# l) n9 N( K% D
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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9 Z) C. Z* O1 |% o: P* G/ x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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7 F# N! q% I$ W, \* m不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
, y  p2 E# o  g6 z& _+ U; K1 K.............信耶穌... ...

# X7 S& J: s5 ORegarding the resurrection....
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, ~, k: e+ q, c! @0 H2 ]Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- E: g1 o( h+ X1 E- X
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.