Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:6 j$ `) {* |$ E7 U' i7 p* ^9 v
我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 L) V: W- N* k' c- _
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) J& q0 s5 a- I
道理我知道好多只係做吳到' f& ^9 R  s% f1 i
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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9 @/ ^7 \! X4 @0 g( t5 QNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  l7 s! T7 H; J$ w, `mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....: `. F$ T9 }0 g" v5 @# J

+ s& X+ a5 s' `, Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....6 {- Z& F# ]* {6 `9 k5 B2 U
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
  }; ]5 p% @' Y/ k9 R- B! w我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人0 C' @  n' i3 d6 N2 J8 t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* I8 q; U# w! D& F7 A以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
# {4 C' ?/ L; x2 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...7 m1 L  e( s1 D+ @' a$ s; `
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:% m; |1 A4 T. R5 B' k0 H* W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" U& l* V5 z) c( F" t6 w! `. xWhat a statement we have here?
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, D/ {2 y  x( Y4 `# @: y. Z5 KJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 M0 G- I6 `9 E, p4 G$ E2 O
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo+ `; \9 l( a1 ]8 e) X$ r
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:# J6 N. N6 G- }; w4 N/ Q
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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/ E% N3 P' Y8 u" C"不信也沒損失"
4 n. [: y) e) {/ W3 d9 u* ]Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
4 U/ r  T" e& `; ]. T% qbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( P9 d1 a( a2 D1 z: ^. V3 ^

) x( H! k4 j/ ~  [0 Qit's starting because we have sins......
. Y$ O- A& v* |0 Esatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
. V. n: m( P1 R1 e1 H7 eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ f8 d, @: u% N1 T只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,* J; p  J: P3 f4 A! O
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 C0 c3 B6 z9 h& }5 w這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( z7 f5 s9 A9 i! ?
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
/ o' T- R5 M, \. ~% m" n而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~6 S( V. G. }$ k# B0 H/ a+ k
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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6 M- A. y1 [6 T( H; d: t9 b" {一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% r% U# ?) z/ F
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法3 z  [6 i* G* i$ J( I0 `
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具8 s/ Z. K7 g5 j$ w- Y0 o! T- c

' ~8 e) h' [* E7 H; B' `8 z# G$ g: z吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 P. d- A+ A" w7 u; y' {% u! Y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ P% S) `) T3 s, ]# d

+ X' X* s; n! ]' T% _+ A以下是其他人的見解,
, g4 n7 P+ Q6 i. |" O看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
5 W$ R/ @5 s/ S8 E: t9 Vhttp://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 z/ f0 r+ y, U( |/ ~4 A3 a  C

! E% C( {0 ^- C" {( ]不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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& q0 B& k7 V8 D9 M同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 m4 m0 P9 g4 |$ O.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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* f1 K3 z: `& ^6 mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.